Ganesha's Evolution

[Fenderbender]

I dunno where I'm going with this fold but it's going.. good thing Channel + doesn't mind at all this plant tops and scrogs without a hitch.
Next watering is going to be plain as I still find things N heavy should have still held off the Vega component as I did sprinkle in some of that slow release stuff.. but only a bit.

 

[BeyondClouds]

I think I'm going to bite the bullet and stick with this Bionova granulate for the SIPs in the foreseeable future.
As I am looking for that just add water solution.
And despite the hick up the Malawi nugs are huge and the Channel+ has a superb stem and branching for a small indoor plant, she was too strong negating all my quad-lining efforts within hours.. she also grew gigantic fan leaves in the beginning, and the buds stacked well it's only they couldn't expand like they should or like the Malawi have, weird, but all in all I feel I kinda should be thinking this is the shit, the bee's knees, the dog's bollocks!
And be quite ecstatic about the results instead of wondering about other stuff.

Work on getting things dialled in and figure out how to best grow with it.

It's a very different product from Grow Dots the NPK ratio is different and much lower than the dots those are like 16-11-11 and these are 5-4-7 + 2mgo, this is more an organic grain fertiliser loaded with micro-organisms.
Turns out it can also be bubbled like a tea and top dressed, so that would solve the "what if the pellets gas out" problem.

They have another dry pellet product to mix, Microlife and that's a 2-2-2 soil improver with bone meal, cacao, chalk, clay minerals, compost & seaweed and another whole list of mycorrhiza and bacteria
And that can also be brewed to dress or dry amended to the substrate.

I'd need to find a good non-fertilised soil to use with these.
And it's kinda cheap compared to other nute lines as you get a 2kg bucket that can do 500l of soil for 30euro, that usually buys just 1 or 2 bottles of another line for half the amount of plants.
If I can get this perfected I'm where I want to be, mix soil with granulates & perlite, put in SIP, only give water, and if extra is needed brew up a concentrated tea for on top and that's it. I want this to work so hard I'm gonna make it so.

I might have buggered myself with doing Sunlight-Tent veg.. as she's stretching, yesterday was a cloudy rainy day.
I usually dial in the light so that a seedling shows the least amount of motivation to grow upward I want it to squat.
It's cool to see her follow the Sun though, as she will follow the dot throughout the afternoon and then in the tent she goes back to growing straight upwards. And now I'm thinking hey maybe that's some early power training indoor plants are missing out on? Outdoor plants will track the Sun and are always moving.

And after the 13 fingered Malawi leaf there's also the 15 fingered Malawi leaf

Cheers!

Hey Fenderbender That is a nice grow you get going on

I‘m in the same boat as you. Seeing all the cool kids doing their cool stuff using all those fancy toys that are just out of reach is sometimes hard to accept. In preparation of my sip grow i also was hoping to find something similar to grow dots, but just couldn’t. All the alternative in Europe seem to be too weak.

In my current sip grow i try out a soil by sonnenerde. It is called Blumenerde. It is an organic soil that is suppose to be loaded with good stuff. I even heard that it has enough gas for ten to twelve weeks. We will see.

 

[Fenderbender]

Hey Fenderbender That is a nice grow you get going on

I‘m in the same boat as you. Seeing all the cool kids doing their cool stuff using all those fancy toys that are just out of reach is sometimes hard to accept. In preparation of my sip grow i also was hoping to find something similar to grow dots, but just couldn’t. All the alternative in Europe seem to be too weak.

In my current sip grow i try out a soil by sonnenerde. It is called Blumenerde. It is an organic soil that is suppose to be loaded with good stuff. I even heard that it has enough gas for ten to twelve weeks. We will see.

Isn't blumenerde just potsoil?
Ah but from Sonnennerde got it.. I was raised with the old school Die Sendung mit der Maus & Löwenzahn..so my German is vintage.
It's bio potting soil.. I've been looking at something similar Biokultura from Holland, and yes a SIP and good soil and just water should get you a long way.. but then it really depends on what size the plant gets to in relation to the pot.. if the flowering mass exceeds the pot capacity she's gonna go hungry and will need extra.
But I've been wanting to try that as well just a bag of good soil and water.
I mean vegging no sweat but to really carry a plant all the way through I think you need a lot of soil for that as a smaller container will be just roots at some point.

Although my main goal now was to find a good non fertilised soil cause I feel that's actually still one of the problems I run into I often use soil which already has some fertiliser in it.. so then adding anything becomes a crapshoot... or rather overshoot.

 

[BeyondClouds]

Isn't blumenerde just potsoil?
Ah but from Sonnennerde got it.. I was raised with the old school Die Sendung mit der Maus & Löwenzahn..so my German is vintage.
It's bio potting soil.. I've been looking at something similar Biokultura from Holland, and yes a SIP and good soil and just water should get you a long way.. but then it really depends on what size the plant gets to in relation to the pot.. if the flowering mass exceeds the pot capacity she's gonna go hungry and will need extra.
But I've been wanting to try that as well just a bag of good soil and water.
I mean vegging no sweat but to really carry a plant all the way through I think you need a lot of soil for that as a smaller container will be just roots at some point.

Although my main goal now was to find a good non fertilised soil cause I feel that's actually still one of the problems I run into I often use soil which already has some fertiliser in it.. so then adding anything becomes a crapshoot... or rather overshoot.

Nice. You are totally right. Blumenerde means potting soil in german. Pretty good.

Yeah container size is an important matter. After some research i‘m pretty sure it won‘t work with something like a 7l one or smaller. I went for 9l in which i got 10l soil (including the wicking foot) in. Another important matter seems to be environmental parameters, especially heat. In case of sonnenerde you hear alot of stories about people having nutrient problems when the temperatures drop constantly below 20/21c

Of course a non fertilized soil and the total control of nutrient input would be an amazing pro game in co-op with the powers of a sip. I‘ll be looking over your shoulder eager to see what you might find out on your search

 

[Fenderbender]

Nice. You are totally right. Blumenerde means potting soil in german. Pretty good.

Yeah container size is an important matter. After some research i‘m pretty sure it won‘t work with something like a 7l one or smaller. I went for 9l in which i got 10l soil (including the wicking foot) in. Another important matter seems to be environmental parameters, especially heat. In case of sonnenerde you hear alot of stories about people having nutrient problems when the temperatures drop constantly below 20/21c

Of course a non fertilized soil and the total control of nutrient input would be an amazing pro game in co-op with the powers of a sip. I‘ll be looking over your shoulder eager to see what you might find out on your search

Are you doing autos? as well 9l kinda still seems small? If you're not running nutes... like my small sips are 15L and my big one is like 31l.
I think the gro-bucket inserts and the standard lowes bucket people in the US use is like 5 gallon or 18l

 

[BeyondClouds]

Are you doing autos? as well 9l kinda still seems small? If you're not running nutes... like my small sips are 15L and my big one is like 31l.
I think the gro-bucket inserts and the standard lowes bucket people in the US use is like 5 gallon or 18l

Nope. I‘m doing photos. I know that 9l is a bit small, but it felt like a good bet and having a 80x80cm tent didn‘t leave much options wanting to grow more than one plant.

I got nutes on hand. The sonnenerde pot is just one of three pots and meant to be an experiment. I uppotted on Monday. We will see when the gas runs out….

 

[Fenderbender]

Ah man these Sativa buds are a lie! It's been a while since I've seen volume shrinkage that extreme.
Those big nugs end up as normal.
Much preferring a good hybrid or Indica where a big nug ends up as a big nug nowhere near the volume loss I'm seeing now.

How long does it take to clone?
As now I'm kinda thinking well snipping three branches to put to flower in the SIPs from the Channel and then leave her growing in the greenhouse whilst I flower the clones in the tent.
I could maybe even snip a second set of clones right before she starts flowering in August?

 

[Azimuth]

How long does it take to clone?

Depends on your style, I guess. Mine take 10-14 days to show roots but I usually leave them for a couple more weeks before potting them up. I find more developed roots leads to better pot up success.

 

[Fenderbender]

Depends on your style, I guess. Mine take 10-14 days to show roots but I usually leave them for a couple more weeks before potting them up. I find more developed roots leads to better pot up success.

I dunno I have no cloning style.. also no cloning powder or gel.
And a whole month? and then still a couple of weeks of vegging before flip?
Hmm then I can just as well throw in some beans and veg those in the greenhouse whilst I flower the Channel+ and then move those in the tent when they are ready for 12/12

 

[Azimuth]

Cloning is a good skill to practice even if you decide to do seeds for the grow.

My process is in my sig if you're looking for ideas.

 

[Fenderbender]

Cloning is a good skill to practice even if you decide to do seeds for the grow.

My process is in my sig if you're looking for ideas.

I'll try to clone some cuttings when cleaning up instead of feeding them to the cats, they won't be happy about it.
But hmm that might be a good way, I'm just gonna take some clones, flower the Channel whilst growing out the clones and then I got a batch to put to flower straight away.
If I'd do that every time that would greatly increase production.
Okay need to get into cloning, As now I'm thinking if I start a mother as early as it can in the year in the greenhouse I can take two maybe three batches of clones of her to flower in the tent, and a bunch of clones for peoples outdoor gardens.
And that would probably save some seed money as well although I don't mind buying seeds, love getting beans in the. post.

 

[Azimuth]

I get new clones off my mothers every couple of weeks and I have to take them as I'm so limited on space. So, the previously rooted cuts get an up close and personal tour of the worm farm to make room for the new round.

That way I also generally have clones at the right age to plug in when an opening appears.

 

[Fenderbender]

I get new clones off my mothers every couple of weeks and I have to take them as I'm so limited on space. So, the previously rooted cuts get an up close and personal tour of the worm farm to make room for the new round.

That way I also generally have clones at the right age to plug in when an opening appears.

Every couple of weeks seems a bit much.. don't got the space for that.
I was looking at what time of the year I can start vegging in daylight and well this is what I got to work with

Hours of sunlight in Brussels (Belgium) - Year 2024

On this page, the hours of sunlight for Brussels (Belgium) (duration of the day) and the hours without light (duration of the night) during the year 2024 have been calculated, that is, the time at which sunrise and sunset each day has been calculated to see the duration, or daylight hours per...

en.tutiempo.net

That's very sad.. we only reach a maximum of 16:30 hours in the year

 

[Azimuth]

Every couple of weeks seems a bit much.. don't got the space for that.

What I meant was that the new growth needs to be trimmed back every couple of weeks anyway so I use those trimmings to practice cloning. I use a solo cup sized container full of perlite and can fit 5-10 small cuttings in each one. So, each one takes up only about a coffee mug's worth of real estate.

I don't have much space either.

When I'm ready to pot up a clone to go to veg, I can always have one or more ready to go. All the rest that are not needed get composted.

 

[Fenderbender]

Still some claw grrr.. I'm only adding some calmag & rhizo to the water as the soil and that sprinkle of monsterbud I put in there seems to be more than enough again..

I've taken couple of clones of the undersides of branches they are in ambient lighting, lets see how that goes..
I'm using the tent hooks as weights now dangling off the end of branches to keep things even and the main branch is strapped to the pot handle with a giant reusable zip tie.

Oh after the picture I went in again and topped the sides.. so she's a bit cut back now but well now I'm hoping for an explosive reaction give that a bit of veg and then it's time to flower.

 

[Fenderbender]

The cuttings seem to be holding the leaves are still up instead of deflating.. I've just got them in distilled water in glass as I'm out of perlite.
Still need to find a good place for them though although at the moment they are out of reach of cats as that survival rate would not be great.. In the tent at the other end if I can shield them from the fan a bit.

And I already can't tell I cut branches and tops yesterday.
I saw one more branch which should be a good candidate.
I'm just going to veg this for another 10-14 days with a lot of wind and then flip.
And I'm hoping I can get her back to praying instead of curled in the coming weeks.
And if 3 out of the 8 cuttings survive that would be great.
Then I do a clone SIP run straight after this..

 

[Fenderbender]

I rehung the light, I dunno I felt since I only got one plant going this would engage the walls more and bundle all the energy in that corner.

It's snug as the tent is 90cm deep and the light is 88cm with cable and dimmer extension but should be fine.

New leaves are a lit less claw-y, but yeah this mix is too hot again.

Sigh watering a smart pot is annoying as well the roots are not filling out the bag yet, I watered on Friday, it's Tuesday evening and she's a bit deflated but I need to wait longer. A SIP and a plant that doesn't mind having wet feet is such a blessing

Oh I also parked some of the tops I cut from the plant straight into wet soil as well they were too short to fit in the glasses, and well those are also still alive, I kinda expected those to shrivel up in a day or two but they still look fresh.

 

[Azimuth]

The cuttings seem to be holding the leaves are still up instead of deflating.. I've just got them in distilled water in glass as I'm out of perlite.

Should work fine. Some growers use that as their go-to propagation method. Just takes longer because of a lot less O2. Also, the water can get funky if you don't change it regularly, so I like to do every few days.

Oh I also parked some of the tops I cut from the plant straight into wet soil as well they were too short to fit in the glasses, and well those are also still alive, I kinda expected those to shrivel up in a day or two but they still look fresh.

Cool. Sometimes the cuttings droop over initially when stuck in soil but a regular misting or a temporary dome of some sort can help get around those issues.

 

[Fenderbender]

I went in even harder with the angle for no reason at all.. euhm I'm in the North not at the Equator I'm used to crops getting lit at an angle, there's only a couple weeks in Summer where the Sun approaches Zenith.
There found a reason
I also rotate the plant around gotta keep her moving and reaching

I did give water yesterday as she was getting a bit weak, I do got a couple of yellow leaves at the bottom as I'm kinda underwatering at the moment but that's to make the transition as now is the second time I've watered to waste.
I did not in the beginning with seeding into such a large pot but that creates a bit of wet spot.
Next watering will be a bit sooner.
I'm gonna let her veg for a week more, then clean her up, get rid of funky leaves and small branches, more clones!
And then let her recover from that.. I first need to get her big and healthy before I flip... And I think I'll only see her pray once she can finish the entire pot in a sitting.

 

[Fenderbender]

I also think the colour has improved, bit less dark and glossy.
And looks like I've got a nice amount of bud sites.

And these mini toppings are still going, I'll have to take them out of the greenhouse over the weekend as it's supposed to get sunny and hot over the next days.
Really funny as I just had those clippings in my hand and thought what to do with these, saw the little pot, scooped some old dirt and hydroballs soaked it and pushed them in there and they keep looking like I just cut them.