Tead's Indoor-ish, Winter, Hempy, OGK, SOG

[Tead]

This hempy I did was close to the 2lt size, just more shallow. I had no root problems that I could see. I keep thinking of how many I could get in a small space It means I'd have to figure out how to work nutrients better than just tossing it at the plants though, wouldn't it? Do you think it'd matter if the pots were shallow and wider rather than taller and slimmer?

Well... ya gotta be careful with the height issue.... and it's unique in a perlite only grow. Since I use just the super light perlite, I really need the depth a 2L gives me to hold the plant firmly. Adding verm to the mix will thicken it and hold the plant much better, but I still feel the 2L would be needed. Of course, one could try shallower containers and tie limbs to keep everything in place.

I feel you might be a bit gun-shy on the nutes. I start at 1/2tsp of DynaGro Grow and work my way up. Jump them up by 1/4tsp increments every 2 or 3 feedings until I see the plant growth I want or some minor first signs of burning. Add 1/2 tsp CalMag to every gallon of water I use... bing bang boom, harvest and smoke. As far as hydro nutrient regimes go, it's as KISS as I can make it.

 

[Tead]

Yay! The day finally came! I been waiting for you to see the light lol! That SOG thread got ya thinking didn't it lol.

I don't make changes quickly as you see... but yes, those girls were the snowballs that triggered the current avalanche of change.

Thanks for that idea. Finally stealing it and running.

 

[Tead]

Tead you should remember when i was growing like this right? These were like 1.5L containers and i never ran into root issues, its all about keeping veg shorter but i find that acceptable since your growing for bud not leaf matter. As im sure you have noticed you can veg a little as well. This was my first bit of testing with the SOG style like that journal i just screwed up the timing otherwise i would have had 5 rows of 3 plants. Its what im hoping to get right this time lol.

I remember EXACTLY those ladies. Crazy strip lights and all. I still expect it to lift off and climb into outer space any given moment.

Timing can sure be the magic I've discovered. Strain types a going to be important too.... the budspears rather than the spread out monsters. I might be able to do an 8x8 (8veg, 8flower) if I keep a mix of various aged plants.
Meh.... it'll be a mess to begin with. I'm sure I can get it to settle out to a good flow.

 

[Tead]

Yet another random observation today...

Damn... for many years I've been dealing with the OGKs and their nuances. They don't clone worth shit. All the new clones I've been doing have made roots at light speed while the OGKs have yet to show after a few weeks.
On the other hand, after dealing with the slow cloning for years, it sure makes the new ones seem like rockets in a relative sort of way.

 

[SweetSue]

Yet another random observation today...

Damn... for many years I've been dealing with the OGKs and their nuances. They don't clone worth shit. All the new clones I've been doing have made roots at light speed while the OGKs have yet to show after a few weeks.
On the other hand, after dealing with the slow cloning for years, it sure makes the new ones seem like rockets in a relative sort of way.

It's all in the perspective baby.

 

[Weaselcracker]

Some random pointless thoughts since I'm passing through.

SweetSue, one thing I noticed that was different about your hempy, was that rock wall cube. Now I know I mentioned this- but for some reason I'll mention it again, unnecessarily. Those cubes do hold a lot of water and in my experience will cause issues when the plant is only a little sprout- kind of makes it more tricky watering the hempy without overwatering the cube. Its probably nothing but there it is -mentioned. Again.

I'm scouring the house for hempy containers and just figured out that the two bleach bottles I'm using now are actually about 2 & 1/2 liters, not four as I thought. They do seem a good size for what I want to do- which is a semi quick plant, vegged to four or five nodes, with one topping and little or no training.

Has anyone ever had issues from root bound plants when growing DTW?
Hope you don't mind the pic. It's from this thread here-
World's Smallest Solo Cup Grow

Shot glass size containers. This guy is also foliar feeding, thinking that he needs to for the plants to get enough nutrients, but I suspect he doesn't.

 

[Tead]

This guy is also foliar feeding, thinking that he needs to for the plants to gets nutrients, but I suspect he doesn't.

Thanks for adding a thread to my list... dammit.
I see it a touch differently tho. I think the foliar feeding is what's enabling his plant size. I figure his roots are just small as hell, so not really providing the amount of input the plant needs to grow to that size. I might suggest that the foliar input is really the magic bit.

I've dabbled with foliar feeding before. I really like it generally. It doesn't work in a humid environment for budrot reasons, so I steer clear of any spraying when possible.

 

[Tead]

Those cubes do hold a lot of water and in my experience will cause issues when the plant is only a little sprout- kind of makes it more tricky watering the hempy without overwatering the cube. Its probably nothing but there it is -mentioned.

Mentioned and seconded.

 

[Weaselcracker]

I might suggest that the foliar input is really the magic bit.

You're probably right. I figured that if those teeny root systems could be given a steady supply of nutrient, then they would be capable of passing it up the stem. I've got no particular knowledge to back that thought up though. DWC plants, which have complete access to nutrients at all times, love to grow monster root systems- they must have their reasons.

 

[Tead]

Foliar feeding seems much more efficient than feeding in the root zone. You use like 1/4 the strength of anything you would apply to the root zone. Doesn't seem logical... you'd think they'd be much more efficient in the root zone. I'm sure there are biological reasons behind it all... I just don't have a clue what they are.

 

[Tead]

So, I've been really struck lately by how hard it is to clone my OGKs vs every other plant in my garden.
I even go to Google and type in my little query.... only to be fed links to my own damn gallery and journal! Dammit Google... I'm not looking for my way home!
It does sure point out that I've had nothing but cloning grief from my OGKs for a very long time. I love the OGK so much that I'll keep it going, but the difference is really startling and makes me want to drop it from my garden.

 

[SweetSue]

So, I've been really struck lately by how hard it is to clone my OGKs vs every other plant in my garden.
I even go to Google and type in my little query.... only to be fed links to my own damn gallery and journal! Dammit Google... I'm not looking for my way home!
It does sure point out that I've had nothing but cloning grief from my OGKs for a very long time. I love the OGK so much that I'll keep it going, but the difference is really startling and makes me want to drop it from my garden.

What is it about the strain that appeals to you? Research the cannabinoid, terpene and flavinoid profile on one of those sites that publish test results and see if you can come up with a close match. It's very likely there's a strain out there very close to your cantankerous one that will be easier to clone.

 

[SweetSue]

It's been a day or 30 since I've seen your garden.... off to peek.

Sadly, I can admit to this as well. Let me get over there and peek Shiggity. I'd like to see this umbrella training you speak of.

SweetSue, one thing I noticed that was different about your hempy, was that rock wall cube. Now I know I mentioned this- but for some reason I'll mention it again, unnecessarily. Those cubes do hold a lot of water and in my experience will cause issues when the plant is only a little sprout- kind of makes it more tricky watering the hempy without overwatering the cube. Its probably nothing but there it is -mentioned. Again.

The cube I used wasn't a cube at all, but an inverted Rapid Rooter, and I took your advice to let it get more dry. Thank you for that. The Rapid Rooters aren't as big as the Rockwool and hold water differently. I prefer the Rapid Rooters. Now I have a box of Rockwool cubes I don't need and probably won't use.

 

[AKgramma]

So, I've been really struck lately by how hard it is to clone my OGKs vs every other plant in my garden.
I even go to Google and type in my little query.... only to be fed links to my own damn gallery and journal! Dammit Google... I'm not looking for my way home!
It does sure point out that I've had nothing but cloning grief from my OGKs for a very long time. I love the OGK so much that I'll keep it going, but the difference is really startling and makes me want to drop it from my garden.

I had the same exact problem with MY OGKs. After about the 7th or 8th generation of clones, I was getting no viable clones at all, plus the plants I was cloning from had tiny leaves and weak stems. I was never able to reveg them after harvest, having tried several methods and mediums. Finally, the last lady dessicated in pot after harvest.

I found the OGK fine from seed and maybe the first two generations of clones, but after that, the clones dwarfed: never got more than 18" tall, with tiny leaves, brittle stems, and prone to mites. And they reacted poorly to the various mite treatments, losing most of their leaves before harvest. Altho the buds looked like Hell, they did give a good smoke, right up to the end.

I did exactly what Sue said and found another strain to replace them.

BTW, I'm finding a number of the mystery seeds from Nirvana that are Sativa-heavy to be showing the same weaknesses as the OGK clones, only these are from seed. I have come to the conclusion that a sickly, lanky, leaf-dropping plant should just be terminated. They never do well, in spite of all the TLC and time spent on them.

 

[Tead]

What is it about the strain that appeals to you? Research the cannabinoid, terpene and flavinoid profile on one of those sites that publish test results and see if you can come up with a close match. It's very likely there's a strain out there very close to your cantankerous one that will be easier to clone.

There are many reasons for me to praise the Dinafem OGK. It's been a rock solid performer in my hot swampish world. It's super fast. The smoke is really awesome. There are many sources of praise for it with only one detractor... but it's a pretty significant detractor.
I suspect the traits I appreciate from it come from the Chemdawg side of it's lineage. Some day I'll get some Chemdawg seeds and see if my theory is correct.

 

[Tead]

I had the same exact problem with MY OGKs......

My Dinafem version has been quite stable over the years. Your experience is not shared in my garden. Of course, our OGKs are completely different genetic lines.
I'm actually quite surprised I've not had any sort of issues with the ongoing copies. I mean, you'd think it would degrade over years of genetic copies, but that's not the results I'm seeing.

 

[lexort420]

What kind is OGK? Indica or sativa or some kind of hybrid? Forgive my ignorance lol

 

[Tead]

[h=3]From Dinafem....

Characteristics of OG Kush cannabis seeds[/h]

• Suitable for indoors and outdoors
• Sex: feminized
• Genotype: 75% Indica /25% Sativa
• Cross: Lemon Thai/Pakistani x Chemdawg
• Indoor flowering period: 55 days
• Outdoor harvest time: early/mid-October
• Indoor yield: 550 g/m²
• Outdoor yield: 1100 g/plant
• Outdoor height: 3 m (approximately)
• THC: very high (up to 24%)

 

[lexort420]

Shame that it doesnt clone well sounds like good stuff.

 

[cannaruss]

hey Tead, Cannaruss here, I noticed you haven't mentioned temps in a few days. Has that cold front hit you like it has me in the south? My temps are now great. Getting in the low 40s at night and 68 to 70 during the day. Just wondering if this is bringing your grow room temps to your liking.