Quest for 1G/W: 1K HPS Liquid Cooled on a 6' Mover in a 4x8 Tent

[Bolivar]

Re: Quest for 1g/w: 1k hps liquid cooled on a 6' mover in a 4x8 tent.

That doesn't mean that a cannabis plant is in flower. It just means that it is mature and able to flower. They do that if you give them a decent vegetative period.

AHA! Thanks.

None of mine have started it before flowering, so I guess my veg cycles haven't been decent.

 

[WheeloFortune]

Re: Quest for 1g/w: 1k hps liquid cooled on a 6' mover in a 4x8 tent.

second reservoir

rationale
1) when in doubt do it right
2) it's not my money

ugh. your probably right, but i do not want to take care of two reservoirs.plus besides just not wanting the extra work, I only have one chiller, one pH doser, one tri-meter.

If I can run separate reservoirs for veg, and then run off the same res for flower, i'd do that. just a couple weeks of dual res's i could handle. If I have to run two separate res's the whole cycle I probably wont do it. just don't have the time or all the equipment to do it right.

If I didn't run the aero, I think I'd be pretty much just giving up on the 1 g/w for this cycle, as I don't think I can pull it off sans the aero.

Lol, yeah.

With your pH controller and things, duplicating reservoir setups might be more complicated than just dragging in an additional barrel. But with only one supplying both cuttings that you're rooting and well-established plants, you're either going to be pushing the cuttings at the edge of burn while barely feeding the plants, or...

Is there an or?

or build an aero cloner to hold them till they have decent rootage, then add them to the aero and blast the nutes as per 1/2 strength AN schedule. And hope the aero can take it?

Those look like they're already in flower. Am I seeing things or are the nodes already asymmetrical?

yup, as tor says alternating nodes just shows it's fully mature, my alternating nodes have nothing to do with my veg length exactly, because these are clones of clones of clones, the actual age of these plants is umm. . . very old. lol, i don't know how old, but they had alternating nodes from the very first clone I got a long time ago.

Need a pump? 5.5 amps, 110' lift (50 or 60lbs pressure) 30$
Harbor Freight

wow, 1750 gph for $60 too. only weighs 10 lbs. lol. thanks bro, these are cheaper and stronger than any of the hydro shops. I don't even have $20 to spare for gas right now, but when I do, I think I want that 1750.

That doesn't mean that a cannabis plant is in flower. It just means that it is mature and able to flower. They do that if you give them a vegetative period of decent length.

thanks bro.

AHA! Thanks.

None of mine have started it before flowering, so I guess my veg cycles haven't been decent.

if you go from clone, after one cycle, they should just be alternating from then on. if you go from seed, yeah, it takes a couple months. but you can flower w/o alternating nodes if you want, no biggie.

 

[WheeloFortune]

Re: Quest for 1g/w: 1k hps liquid cooled on a 6' mover in a 4x8 tent.

also, If i wasn't going to run the aero from that res, I would have lowered the aero 8"-12" because i wouldn't have had to worry about draining back into the res passively. also wanted to buile a 6" stand for the drum so I could put a drain on the bottom to passively be able to completely empty the res at the drop of a hat. I really wanted to do that this time to make res changes easier, but couldn't afford the vert height if i was running the aero too.

All the tubes are run tight into the tent, if I wanted to move the EnG res, I'd have to splice in some extensions.

Now I know 420fied ran like 400 ppm for his whole grow, but my res will work it's way up to about, 1500 ppm at the height of flower. can aero take this? I don't know why it couldn't.

If I cloned them separately until they had roots can I flower from the same res? I need to figure this out in the next day or two, make a decision, and go with it. . . I have no money to buy anything right now, but I have some materials, like a res I can use or mod, lying around. so. . .

I guess what I'm saying this round, If I cant run the aero off the same res, at least in flower, I will scrap it for one run, do a little redesign, and try it next run.

butch? anyone else with aero experience? what do you think?

 

[The Butcher]

Re: Quest for 1g/w: 1k hps liquid cooled on a 6' mover in a 4x8 tent.

Is all about wing'n em those lil ladies. Runnin em off the same rez this late into flowering with the e&g, can cause some real issue. I was up thinking about your situation. If you can mod some of the aero, You could run an NFT/aero the same way I do. That way you can utilize the smaller pump your going to have to work with. YOu can get pull it off if you do so. Small rez for about a couple weeks til $$ comes available. Then once the aero has caught up to the E&G as far as PPM's go, then you'll be set. Switch to the new rez and you'll be all good. And the up side is a smaller rez equals less nutes to be wasted. If you do this just right, you could have them caught up in just a couple weeks. I think 2-3 weeks with a small rez is well worth it. Watcha think? Let me know what you think.

Heres an idea to catch them up:

Run the ppms according to this schedule and you should be caught up if you do decide to use the smaller rez.:

days 1-5 250-350 ppms MAX
days 5-9 350-600 ppms MAX
days 9-14 600-700 ppms MAX

Now at this point your going to want to time the rez change in the E&G to coincide with the uping of the aero. This way you won't miss a beat. Again let me know what you think.

 

[Green Utopia]

Re: Quest for 1g/w: 1k hps liquid cooled on a 6' mover in a 4x8 tent.

Man o man do I sympathize with this situation!

I am watching with baited breath to see if you find a great solution in the next few days. I too am gonna have to split a res or two.

GL with everything and of course the setup is awesome.

 

[WheeloFortune]

Re: Quest for 1g/w: 1k hps liquid cooled on a 6' mover in a 4x8 tent.

Man o man do I sympathize with this situation!

I am watching with baited breath to see if you find a great solution in the next few days. I too am gonna have to split a res or two.

GL with everything and of course the setup is awesome.

thanks bro. . . much appreciated. I'm really trying to get it all up and going asap.

Is all about wing'n em those lil ladies. Runnin em off the same rez this late into flowering with the e&g, can cause some real issue. I was up thinking about your situation.

well, the EnG is not in flower yet and growing like crazy. R1C3 grew another 2" in the past two days. . . i need to get into flower asap. . . but i think you meant veg not flower right?

If you can mod some of the aero, You could run an NFT/aero the same way I do. That way you can utilize the smaller pump your going to have to work with. You can pull it off if you do so. Small rez for about a couple weeks til $$ comes available.

remind me again how you ran yours? just running it 24/7 to keep a constant nft flow?

Then once the aero has caught up to the E&G as far as PPM's go, then you'll be set. Switch to the new rez and you'll be all good. And the up side is a smaller rez equals less nutes to be wasted. If you do this just right, you could have them caught up in just a couple weeks. I think 2-3 weeks with a small rez is well worth it. Watcha think? Let me know what you think.

so, your saying veg for 2-3 more weeks and develop some roots, and then share the EnG res for flower? this was my original plan, except I was hoping for 10 days from clone and was hoping to share the veg res, but I can change those plans as long as it's cool to share the res in flower.

Heres an idea to catch them up:

Run the ppms according to this schedule and you should be caught up if you do decide to use the smaller rez.:

days 1-5 250-350 ppms MAX
days 5-9 350-600 ppms MAX
days 9-14 600-700 ppms MAX

Now at this point your going to want to time the rez change in the E&G to coincide with the upping of the aero. This way you won't miss a beat. Again let me know what you think.

so here is where you think I should share the res. . . right?

If thats the case, I'm down with that, but the EnG is gonna get BIG in the mean time! should have done all this a week or two ago.

but instead of running a second res, I think I'd rather just build a little 30 site DIY aero cloner and transplant when they are ready to share the res. that will save me a bunch of work trying to move everything around in the room. It's already really cramped in there.

Either that, or tell me what you think of this? I have that little mega garden EnF tray in the clone box already, what if I took 30 clones, stuck them in the 2" neoprene and drop them into some hydroton and set it to flood a couple times a day. When they root, just pull them out shake them down and pop into the aero. This option has the huge huge benefit that I dont have to change anything, make anything or spend anything. . . I could do it tonight and get the ball rolling.

whatever I do, If I don't do it soon I am running the risk of having the EnG overgrow the space. 2 weeks is even borderline but if it takes 3, i might have to scrap the Aero for this run.

what do you think of those possibilities? the more I think about it, the more I want to go the easy route and try to clone in the mega.

thanks for trying to work this out with me bro. most appreciated.

 

[The Butcher]

Re: Quest for 1g/w: 1k hps liquid cooled on a 6' mover in a 4x8 tent.

I say trim up the E&G up. it will grow back in the 2 weeks of veg. and yeah I meant veg. I like the e&f tray I dea. that does sound promising. But the MEGA is just as tempting .I think eother route would be fine. Its good that you do have options once again. As soon as you get some good root action you should be all good with the cuttings and their survival rate.

 

[WheeloFortune]

Re: Quest for 1g/w: 1k hps liquid cooled on a 6' mover in a 4x8 tent.

I say trim up the E&G up. it will grow back in the 2 weeks of veg. and yeah I meant veg. I like the e&f tray I dea. that does sound promising. But the MEGA is just as tempting .I think eother route would be fine. Its good that you do have options once again. As soon as you get some good root action you should be all good with the cuttings and their survival rate.

lol, I must be confusing when I explain it, or just type way too much. the Mega Garden is the EnF table. It's in the fridge. I tossed the moms that were in there. needed the room. cleaned it out, and getting it ready.

gonna try to clone in it if I can (the fridge + MegaGarden). never cloned in anything but RW, grow plugs and peat pellets. . . so this is a first.

If it works, Ill be in the aero in a couple weeks and go to flower big timin, if they fail to root, I'll go to flower sooner sans Aero.

thanks again for the help. I guess we have a plan now, just gotta make it work for me. . . clone and veg in the fridge till we get some rootage (2 weeks) and depending on root size, go to flower asap, sharing the EnG res.

I like it. . . if I can make it work.

 

[The Butcher]

Re: Quest for 1g/w: 1k hps liquid cooled on a 6' mover in a 4x8 tent.

I'll be up for a while. I'm just playin in the garden, taking cuttings off the mums. So yeah the mega garden seems to be your best bet. Its worth a shot. Cause honestly you would have to toss the cuttings anyways right? So why not you have everything to gain and not really much to lose. The e&g gives you a great buffer for the situation. Like I said from the get go. No matter how you end up, WOF is definetly going to come out on top.

 

[DroJo]

Re: Quest for 1g/w: 1k hps liquid cooled on a 6' mover in a 4x8 tent.

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happy harvest and al the best from down under

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@Wheelo, man although I couldnt offer any real advice as I am a super noob to E/G or Aero NFT, I still have confidence that you are gonna do quite well. and having big butch around is always a plus. The eng is looking good so far, and that aero looks primo as well bro. Good job

This will definitly be a good detailed journal bro, ima try and stop in as much as possible. keep up the good work

 

[TorturedSoul]

Re: Quest for 1g/w: 1k hps liquid cooled on a 6' mover in a 4x8 tent.

Q. What is a K?
A. When we mention a 3K, 6.4K or 10K lamp, the K refers to the Kelvin color temperature of the lamp. A red lamp has warmer colors, and a bluer lamp has cooler colors on the scale (2 is reddish, and 10 is bluish, for example.)

The way they're using it, they're making it mean "thousand degrees Kelvin" as their "3K" is 3000K and so forth. Just thought I'd mention that.

 

[WheeloFortune]

Re: Quest for 1g/w: 1k hps liquid cooled on a 6' mover in a 4x8 tent.

Wow! That is quite some goal, and in here with rooting for you cause if you can do it, then maybe I can too. Good luck and some how I bloody well think you are going to do it; You have the ballast, but have you heard about these lights:

Sunpulse Lamps. . . .

happy harvest and al the best from down under

Thanks for stopping by and checking me out bro. . . yeah like DroJo said UltraSonic is all about those bulbs. They seem nice to me, I have an enhanced spectrum right now, and i got a GE lucalox as a backup. Maybe when I get some extra cash I'll try a new bulb or two to see if I can tell any diff. the GE are $30 shipped, hard to beat that.

Hey SBH,
@Wheelo, man although I couldnt offer any real advice as I am a super noob to E/G or Aero NFT, I still have confidence that you are gonna do quite well. and having big butch around is always a plus. The eng is looking good so far, and that aero looks primo as well bro. Good job

This will definitly be a good detailed journal bro, ima try and stop in as much as possible. keep up the good work

Thanks dro, love it when you stop by. I am pretty newb to the EnG myself, but like McBudz says, it just works. I think it's the easiest and probably the best system I have ever used. the only downside is the huge size of the res, but it's a small price to pay. This is only my second EnG run, but I have been running an ebb n flow table in my fridge for years, so i know the concept well.

The Aero is completely new to me, and it's my first try with it, so if it fails, so be it. live and learn you know?

Right now I am bound for flower in 9-10 days, may 14 or 15. If I can get some clones to root quick enough to join the tent to go into flower, then I will. I am trying my best to get it all done. fingers crossed. But I will go to flower by then regardless. That puts my harvest mid july, forever and a day from now it feels like.

Check back often, you know I'm a pic happy fool.

The way they're using it, they're making it mean "thousand degrees Kelvin" as their "3K" is 3000K and so forth. Just thought I'd mention that.

yup, thanks. eh, i have no complaints on any of my bulbs. the GE works just fine and it's cheap as hell. no doubt the kind of light you use is important, i just think the cheap guys do a good job too in this case.

 

[WheeloFortune]

Re: Quest for 1g/w: 1k hps liquid cooled on a 6' mover in a 4x8 tent.

quick update:

everything is going fine. . . I stretched my res change too long again and had a bit of lightening in some of the more sensitive ones. only one ended up runting in the end, that one is R1C8. I'll leave it in though, cause why not. The rest are still going at about an inch a day. . . right now they average 18-19" so at that rat if I go to flower in 10 days they will be about 28-30", a tiny bit taller than I wanted, but i think will be just fine.

here they are Day 35 Veg

these are the cloning attempt. I have never cloned this way before so I don't know if i'll have success or not, but i'm giving it a try. the hydroton is flooding 4 times a day.

i kicked the veg nutes up to 2.35 EC (1645 ppm). They have been taking everything i give them @ 1200 ppm and seem to be asking for more, so I'm giving it to them. I will not change the res again until flower. FYI, when i moved the res over a bit for the aero, i knocked out the pH down pump out hose and it was being applied to the top of the drum. it got into the controller and f'd it up a bit. i unplugged it for a couple days and now it works again, but the lcd panel isn't perfect. ugh, can't return it, gotta see about
a warranty.

left side

middle

right side

this one is about 19" now. R1C3.

top view. you can see the lightening easily here.

top view R1C3.

 

[Setting Sun]

Re: Quest for 1g/w: 1k hps liquid cooled on a 6' mover in a 4x8 tent.

Lots of stuff to juggle wheelo, but I know you like it complicated .

I tried to catch up, but I've been violated by some kush and not following well.

Is there a need to stall clones for a few weeks?

 

[The Butcher]

Re: Quest for 1g/w: 1k hps liquid cooled on a 6' mover in a 4x8 tent.

That is one amazing garden Wheel. I got my fingers crssed for the clones. I hope they root fast.

 

[WheeloFortune]

Re: Quest for 1g/w: 1k hps liquid cooled on a 6' mover in a 4x8 tent.

Lots of stuff to juggle wheelo, but I know you like it complicated .

I tried to catch up, but I've been violated by some kush and not following well.

Is there a need to stall clones for a few weeks?

Hey SS, site was messing up a bit and your post didn't show till now. I was like 24 hours no posts after some fresh pics? i know veg is boring but damn, i have no friends lol. jk.

I wish i could KISS, but i just can't help myself. I'm glad you're reaping the rewards bro, It's a long time off for me now.

As a matter of fact, almost the exact opposite. . . I should have started the clones a week or two ago. I was just not thinking it all the way out and assuming I could clone right in the aero and then switch to flower after they had rooted like 420fied did.

But when I built the areo, It turned out easiest to just integrate it into the res. I tried tapping it with a 1" drain, but I thought that was begging for a failure and overflow if the drain got plugged. right now it just flows back into the res freefall, but I'm gonna buy an elbow to direct it in and keep out light. gotta figure a way to keep the roots out of the res too, but first things first.

Anyways, after getting to the cloning point, i realized (after butch slapped some sense int me lol) that my res is sitting at like 1400 ppm, obviously not
conducive to cloning. so i had to make a choice, move everything aroung in my room to fit in a temporary res for the aero until flower (would have been a royal pain) or figure out anothr cloning option. . . i went with the easiest solution and just cloned directly into hydroton.

Now its just a waiting game, the EnG is growing like an inch a day, and they are close to two feet already. . . my tent is not that tall, and if not for the aero, I would have already switched to flower. I don't want my EnG girls to get much over 46-48" finished, and I'm getting close to that right now. I've been thinking of topping the tallest to slow them down a bit vertically.

When these clones have enough roots to start flower (in 7-8 days at most hopefully) they will go into the aero, I will change the nutes over to connoisseur, and go for broke. I took a few extra clones to try to give myself the best chances of success, and today is day 3 clone and a bunch of them have perked back up nicely, so that's an encouraging sign.

That is one amazing garden Wheel. I got my fingers crssed for the clones. I hope they root fast.

Thanks bro, I just added a bit of piranha to the Mega res for the clones. I want to check on the roots, but they are so stuffed in there I'm just gonna let them go a few more days before I check. I have clonex cloning solution in for a light nute, hopefully I can up them a bit once before I go to the aero. the good news is they are perking up.

 

[WheeloFortune]

Re: Quest for 1g/w: 1k hps liquid cooled on a 6' mover in a 4x8 tent.

also, FIY, they seem to be responding very well to the upped nutes!! lovin 1450ppm.

 

[WheeloFortune]

Re: Quest for 1g/w: 1k hps liquid cooled on a 6' mover in a 4x8 tent.

ok, i couldn't help myself, i checked on 2 clones, no roots yet.

also I topped a couple nodes off of all of the big plants in the EnG. . . that should slow them down a bit.

 

[WeedyMcWeedWeed]

Re: Quest for 1g/w: 1k hps liquid cooled on a 6' mover in a 4x8 tent.

looking great man gl on the timing with you clones rooting

 

[WheeloFortune]

Re: Quest for 1g/w: 1k hps liquid cooled on a 6' mover in a 4x8 tent.

thx weedy, gonna put on a good show if I can pull it off. . . no roots yet, but its early.