Cerdito's Soil Autocheese Closet Grow

[Cerdito]

Thanks Berri! I'm very happy with them - though I wish I had a time machine to the second week in Jan so I could roll up!!

Thanks Dutch Dragon - maybe I won't use it after all, Iļl just try and stick with compost water and urine. The bottle says use 37.5 mililitres of feed per ten litres of water - so that would only be 3.75 mils at full strength with the litre of so I use to water them. THEN to take that down to a 16th, is beyond my maths! It would be a tiny tiny pinprick of an amount.

Thanks,

xx

 

[Cerdito]

Woohoo!!!

Day 19 and my little ladies are definitely ladies, they have been throwing out white hairs like little old grandmas all day

My little girls are women now I can see their bits to prove it.

On a more serious note - I think now I should probably stop giving them urine no? Because when they start to flower I don't need nitrogen as much? I thought maybe continue with the water soaked with compost, but also add some ash from the fire?

I hear blackstrap molasses is good for adding to flowering plants too, but we don't have that here - is there anything else simlar you can use?

Thanks

xx

 

[SweetLeef]

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Nice Journal, Cerdito!!!!

Your autos are about a week older than mine! I'm so excited to see what they'll do. I messed up though as transplanted them from their little cups to 1 gallon pots and I don't know if its better to leave them in 1 gal or risk more stress and get the, into a bigger pot. I'll probably transplant in a couple of days and just hope it goes smoothly.

Great job on doing it awesome and cheap!!! +Reps

 

[Dresney]

Good evening, Cerdito

So happy your ladies have granny hairs!

I wish I knew more about the nutrient questions, but I'm a nutrient noob. I think using things about the house (or things easily obtainable) is really intriguing though. I might have to start doing some heavy research on that and sharing what I find. Although I'm sure there are growers here who probably have encyclopedic-like nutrient knowledge already in their brains. If only I could download someone's brain.

Are you still watching BSG?

 

[dutch dragon]

Hi Credito, well done with the ladies. In answer to you nutrient questions, yes you should stop adding urine as that is a Nitrogen supplement, and instead of black strap you could use black treacle or black syrup or I use raw unrefined sugar in crystal form and just make a solution out of it with boiling water, I've even read that honey is good. The compost tea is all good and you can go with that till the end if they like it, but the potash is risky as you don't know the dosage. If your soil and compost are good then you don't want to worry to much about other fertilizers. I find it better to have a few grams less than a dead plant. The problem with adding nutrients to your soil is that you don't know how much of what is already in there and its oh so easy to get an inbalance.

 

[Cerdito]

Thanks Dutch Dragon, that is very sage advice. A Few grammes less is better than a dead plant. Because I don't have a ph metre, and can't seem to find even the paper strips here, I don't want to do anything that is going to drastically alter my ph - because I won't know it is happening! So ash like you say is risky - continuing to add nutrients with soaked compost water is completely not risky - because I already know they like it - and after all - compost and soil is generally good enough for outdoor plants.

I've looked at using honey - but it has a very low average ph - we have a lot of raw unrefined honey - but I think maybe I should wait until near the end of flowering according to many sources.

I have found one shop here that sells molasses - but it is sold as cow and pig feed - is this normal? Here is some text from their website
(Sorry - I'm not used to technical animal feed translation!)

Molasses is a dark, thick liquid that remains after sugar crystallization and separation of the water extract. Molasses contains 75% dry matter, which is 80-85% sugar, 8-10% - alkaline ash, and 8.2% - protein. The ash has a high potassium content - 6:07%, less calcium - 0.17% phosphorus - 0:03%, 1:48%, and sodium. Sugar and salts irritate the intestinal mucous membrane, so when feeding molasses at higher doses, it causes diarrhea. The daily dose does not exceed 2-2.5 kg cows, horses - 1.5 kg. In adult sheep and pigs can be fed molasses 0.4-0.5 kg/100 kg dzīvieka weight.

Does that look any good? If I can use that it will be great, because it is very very cheap from the warehouse not far! But no selling in suermarkets for people - nobody has heard of it even. I only found this lucky because I was looking for a ph metre in the animal feed shop.


I will put some pictures up later of my hairy little ladies. Welcome Sweetleaf, nice to have you along for the trip! Hope my little ladies lead a lovely path for you.

And Dresney! I'm loving BSG! Loti thanks! I am on episode 12 of series two already - it is addictive, and only gets better with each episode. I love the way the enemy has become blurred, and good and bad are becoming confused - it adds some lovely thought to each adventure.

xxx

 

[Cerdito]

So, here are the pics to prove that they are ladies - or maybe pics to show that I am an idiot who knows nothing and these little white hairs are something entirely difference!

Both ladies at home.

Zānē

Līja

Lady bits

You know, I would never have beleived you if you told me 2 months ago I will be posting pictures on the internet under titles ''lady bits.''

Thanks all, hope you like progress

Good days

xxx

 

[Light Addict]

Looking real nice congrats on the girls!

 

[Dresney]

Lovely update!

Definitely granny hairs. Very pretty.

It's amazing how fast autos grow. I wish new seeds weren't so expensive!

Your first grow is going amazingly well, Cerdito

And yay for BSG! Glad you're still enjoying it! I really wish I could watch it over for the first time. I need a brain downloader and a time machine. ...no wonder I'm a sci-fi fan.

 

[bluefly43]

The molasses is the type you want. Where I live, they bottle the same stuff, call it Blackstrap, then sell it in health food store for high prices. We can also buy a weaker strain in our grocery stores.

 

[Richard Richardson]

Your Ladies look great, Cerdito

You can stop their urine therapy now

Here is your thread
Green Growers and Geeks anonymous
You can discuss and share things about non420 geeky stuff on there

and the replys never apppear on the normal "today's posts".


So it's a secret group


HC FTW GGGa EA(inc)KC

 

[Cerdito]

Wow! Thanks Rico, that is great, I have planted a seed and it has grown! Awesome work, much appreciated.

Been busy outside the past couple of days, so I've not been on here as much as I would like.

thanks Mr BlueFly for your confirmation that it is the right kinds of molasses. I was skeptical because the one everyone talks about on here seemed more special/expsensive than one that is sold by the litre for animal feeding!

On the plant front, not good news for the last few days.

those browning/crispy spots that we had, and Mr Dutch and a few others hoped were just lens burn are growing. Zānē now has them on all of her lower leaves, and Līja has started with two of her big lower leaves too.

At the moment it hasn't spread to any higher leaves, but I hope it doesn't but it does seem to be spreading quickly.

To describe. The leaf loses its shiny top epidermis layer, and you can see a layer of green underneath that is like matt coloured, as if the plant had fallen off itš bike and grazed its knee. Then the leaf starts to go crispy, like it had been dried out, or burned. Then the green patch goes yellow. Then it makes the leaf so crispy and brittle that it crumbles at the touch. After a leaf has been affected it is only a day or three before the whole leaf is dead and gone. It is really worrying with the investment we have put into our little girls - and sad that we may not get any weed out of 100 euros

I've tried self disagonising, with the situation and all variables, but I canņot think enough with my limited knowledge, even with the help of the internet I cannot find a problem that seems to be mine.

I know it isn't heat based because the temps are good and it happens from the bottom, when if it was light or heat stress - it would be the leaves 30cm higher near the light.

I know it isn't nutrient burn because they have had none, and they are in the same compost soil mixture they have had since popping, and they were fine for nearly a month. They are only watered with more of the same nutrients they already have.

I am sure it can't be a deficiency, because it seems too aggressive. Once it is in a leaf, it seems to be gone.

There is no sign of pests, and the damage doesn't look like any of the pests I am finding in internet searching.

There are no shiny surfaces in the cupboard that could cause burning (like tin foil or badly stuck mylar.)

I don't foliar feed, so there is no water on the leaves, and I only water when they very very need it, and only as soon as i turn the lights off, so they have 6 hours to dry out before turn back on - and then I make sure no waters are on the leaves.

I will post pictures in a bit, I really hope somebody has seen something like this before and knows what to do, because it is making me sad that I have fallen in love with these two girls, and I don't seem to be able to do anything for them while they crisp up and die

Sorry for the drama, as soon as man brings camera I will take some pics!

Thanks all,

hope your days are going better than my growing day (everything else is good and rosy though )

xxx

 

[dutch dragon]

Sorry to here that Credito. I'm thinking maybe a low relative humidity or to much fan on them as the leaves are dying so quickly. Your wood burning heater is also giving a dry heat off. Are you maybe underwatering? Just a few possibilities sorry, maybe some others can throw some more possibilities in the mix. Sometimes the problem only becomes obvious when it is suggested. Good luck.

 

[Cerdito]

Dank u wel Dutch! (Ebarrassingly that is about all the Dutch I learned in Holland but my English got good - imo they speak English better than English people )

Any answers are appreciated. I thank you that you took into account the possible dryness of the room, you really thought about my situation, reps for you sir

I will put a towel in a bucket of water tonight to see if that stops it - but here are pictures to see more!

There we go yes, lots of pictures of the damage at various points, though in pictures it looks a bit better than it is which is nice I should look at the pics not the plants And some pics at the end to show that generally, the plants look nice, even if Zānē does looka bit like an extra from a Tim Burton film at the moment.

Thanks

And special thanks Dutch Dragon for your help. I hope the humidty is an issue, because that is easy to sort.

 

[Cerdito]

Sweetleaf likes the awful damage!?!?!?!

And i thought you were a nice, sweet, leaf.

Tut.

xx

 

[KingJohnC]

here is a nutrient availability chart

here is a cannabis leaf deficiency chart

here is the Cannabis Plant and Pest Problem Solver and the Plant Abuse Chart

Cannabis Plant and Pest Problem Solver - Pictorial

Plant Abuse Chart

 

[dutch dragon]

Hello Credito, after a lot of investigation, the closest I have seen to the leaf damage is heat stress. What are the temps in there? Any idea of the RH? I don't mean heat from the lamp, but ambient temperature of the grow box. It doesn't look like any of the above deficiencies that King John kindly posted above, and I'm sure you have checked them thoroughly under the leaves for bugs, so I'm thinking environmental cause. Put your hand under the lamp at plant height for a couple of minutes when it's on to see if it feels hot on the back of your hand. I don't get heat stress until about 35oC, but all strains are different and I haven't grown them all yet.
Hope you find the culprit soon.
It would be a good idea to get a link to your grow in your signature, that way whenever you post on another journal, people can just click on the link to find your grow. There are tutorials of how to do this if you use the search in the forums tab at the top left of the screen, or if your a bit computer savy you should be able to work it out. This will attract much more attention to your grow and get more helpful ideas bouncing around. Good luck.

 

[Cerdito]

Thanks both!

Another problem today for my ladies to overcome - the snow made the electricity die from 10 o clock last night until now, so they have had a 22 hour dark period! Oh dear, I am a bad mother. Should I still turn the lights off at 5 as normal and carry on - or readjust starting the light period from now?

Thanks for the charts John. I had looked at the exact chart, but it seems my problem isn't there. Although it is coming up from the bottom, so it makes me wonder if maybe a nutrient deficiency - the closest I can see is a phosphorous def - but would this cause the grazed effect?

The humidity must be low, because of the fire, the lights, and no wetness in here at all, that could cause the leaf death no?

As for heats - it goes down to about 65 in lights off, and inbetween 70 and 80 during lights on. If it goes above 80 I take air from outside to get it cool again.


I have tried putting a link in my sig - but the ''link'' button doesn't work on my browser!

thanks!

xxx

 

[Cerdito]

Oh yes, and on heat stress - when I was just learning the cupboard and the light at the start, I found it too hot - and heat stressed the plants a little - so I can recognise when they are too hot - the leaves now don't look like the curled up edges that I got then.

I was looking through Johnš other chart, and I thought there was an outside possible that it could be an Mg lockout - and I am using compost to fertilise - whih if I am right is a form of ammonia nitrate yes? Which would make sense?

Thank zxz

 

[Richard Richardson]

I think it's a Phosphorus deficiency.

Necrotic patches on the leaves and very little P in your Fertilizer.

1.8% on the side of the pack, but 0% water soluble, or whatever.