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[greenisland]

Yeah my "salty balls" are from Dutch-Master pro actually and yeah they definetally leave a lot more salt buildup than that H&G does. Naphtali I had flood tables and the nova didnt clog my lines but it was hell to clean up afterwards. And it definetally left a heavy goopy residual everywhere it went. Well so far Im really impressed with what Ive seen and heard about the H&G. I do believe it may be my next purchase when I use all the Dutch Master which shouldnt be too long. I cant wait to see the buds that form with the H&G and to see how the 3 day flush thing works. Do you put your plants into a drought before you flush Pit? Oh and HAPPY THANGSGIVING EVERYONE!

 

[Hogdady]

It looks like Bamboo....LOL

and that stalk looks like a friggin baseball bat!

 

[PitViper]

also the Drip Clean may be the reason we have no salt, thats what its designed to do..eliminate salts building up

 

[PitViper]

Yeah my "salty balls" are from Dutch-Master pro actually and yeah they definetally leave a lot more salt buildup than that H&G does. Naphtali I had flood tables and the nova didnt clog my lines but it was hell to clean up afterwards. And it definetally left a heavy goopy residual everywhere it went. Well so far Im really impressed with what Ive seen and heard about the H&G. I do believe it may be my next purchase when I use all the Dutch Master which shouldnt be too long. I cant wait to see the buds that form with the H&G and to see how the 3 day flush thing works. Do you put your plants into a drought before you flush Pit? Oh and HAPPY THANGSGIVING EVERYONE!

what do you mean "drought"?

 

[greenisland]

Exactly my response when I first heard of it pit! lol, I guess starving your plants of water right before flushing can help with flushing nutes and increasing potency. Butcher was the first person to tell me about it. Ive never tried it before I was just curious if you had because i guess a lot more people do this than I had thought. And YES the dripclean seems like it probably helps with that salt buildup a lot, thats really cool man. Like I said before I wonder if it would work with the Nova? Even though thats more like sludge and not salt. Anyways your girls are looking real nice man, especially those stalks!

 

[naphtali5725]

I agree green, those plants rock

 

[PitViper]

Exactly my response when I first heard of it pit! lol, I guess starving your plants of water right before flushing can help with flushing nutes and increasing potency. Butcher was the first person to tell me about it. Ive never tried it before I was just curious if you had because i guess a lot more people do this than I had thought. And YES the dripclean seems like it probably helps with that salt buildup a lot, thats really cool man. Like I said before I wonder if it would work with the Nova? Even though thats more like sludge and not salt. Anyways your girls are looking real nice man, especially those stalks!

Ive never done that and I dont intend to, I dont think its a good idea but that doesnt mean Im right. Butcher is a good dude but that is one area I dont agree on..
Yes Im positive the drip clean will work on ANY hydro nute. How it works is pretty simple theres some ionic trickery in the liquid pixie dust eliminating the salt. Here is the PDF on all the product info

 

[PitViper]

there are 20 big plants in there, the smallest is 40"- we had 12 that size last grow. it is surreal,

 

[The Butcher]

hey PIT hows it? man just got back from a long ass day of work .Anyhow..Yeah the drought sitch does sound sketchy, but it works. Not trying to change your mind, I know you like a good read so heres the study(I'd love to hear your feed back):

Effects of Water Stress under Contrasting Environmental Conditions on Transpiration and Photosynthesis in Soybean
M. F. BEARDSELL, K. J. MITCHELL1 and R. G. THOMAS2
1Plant Physiology Division, D. S.I.R. Palmerston North, New Zealand
2Department of Botany, Massey University Palmerston North, New Zealand

Continuous and simultaneous measurements of CO2 exchange and transpiration rates of whole soybean plants were made under contrasting, controlled environmental conditions when water stress was imposed by withholding water. Daytime temperatures and vapour pressure deficits were 27.5 ° C/12 mbar; 27.5 ° C/5 mbar; 22.5 ° C/12 mbar, and 22.5 ° C/5 mbar. The experimental conditions were virtually the same as the conditions under which the plants had been grown.

Under all four treatments photosynthesis and transpiration rates were closely correlated as water stress increased, but in view of the evidence for a significant mesophyll resistance to photosynthesis in- both stressed and unstressed plants it is not considered that this is due to total stomatal control.

At — 0.4 bar soil water potential (soll) the rates of transpiration and photosynthesis became independent of the atmospheric conditions and were very similar under all treatments. This is attributed to slow movement of water into the root zone from the surrounding soil with associated stomatal closure limiting the rates of water uptake and transpiration.

With decreasing soll, relative water content of the leaf (RWC) fell more rapidly and to lower levels under 27.5 ° C/12 mbar conditions than under the other treatments. The least reduction in RWC was under the 22.5 ° C/5 mbar treatment. Increasing soil water stress had the greatest relative effect on rates of gaseous exchange under 27.5 ° C/12mbar conditions and least under 22.5 ° C/5mbar conditions

WATCHA THINK?

 

[PitViper]

hey PIT hows it? man just got back from a long ass day of work .Anyhow..Yeah the drought sitch does sound sketchy, but it works. Not trying to change your mind, I know you like a good read so heres the study(I'd love to hear your feed back):



WATCHA THINK?

sounds plausible, the explanation makes sense. Ill have to file that one and do some research on it. Thanx bro. I appreciate you taking the time

 

[The Butcher]

no..I apperciate you taking the time to read and respond to it. I gotta head out and get some sleep long day tomarrow. And a happy thanksgiving to all.

 

[groover]

G'day Pit, How ya goin mate. i fkd up da link and cant seem to delete this post. I'm a techno spaz, gimme a box o tools anyday lol

 

[groover]

G'day Pit, How ya goin mate. I,d love you to have a look at my bonzai plants so heres da link.groover Gallery - 420 Magazine Photo GalleryKeep in mind the pots are only 6in dia.
I konw its the total opposite of what you do but would love your or anybody elses opinion of my cfl test grow.

 

[Wingman420]

Heres what I can attest to....Ive used GH 3 part, and GH Flora. both left "salty balls".
Ive been running H&G for aprox 9 weeks from seed. Heres the condition of the hydroton

on a scale of 1-10 the GH media was a 12. I would call this a 2 or less.
draw your own conclusions. I would submit that the salt on G.I.'s media may have other factors such as water level....frequency of flood cycles etc.....it could ben nothing or it could be something, I dont know, but this is what Im getting.It looks like Bamboo....LOL

PitViper,

Congrats my man those are some beauties!
I am running into stiff opposition from several local grow shops as thet won't or can't get or access Van der Zwaan's H+G, I finally found a joint that I convinced (after supplying them w/ literature and info, most off their web site in the Netherlands, England, and Australia, and Comm. Growers) who is making a commitment. I am truly grateful for the insights and after many hrs reading and researching I am willing to put my time, money and grow into this product, I hope after getting it perfect I have the result I am after. I will keep you posted and as always best wishes and hopes.
Damn what a Grow!
I have thought about container gardening and after some additional research I might change my mind.
I am also looking at Aero any thoughts?
Happy Thanksgiving!

 

[PitViper]

Thnks Pit for the info, I didn't notice the salt buildup with the GH 3 part, but I certainly did on the Nova, the water line in the res had a crust of nute/salt built up, + the hydroton as you say was salty, I had to scrape that shit off.

I'm going to switch from hydroton to 'sure to grow' media this time, it's white so i probably won't be able to tell if there is any salt buildup except for the water line in the res, which wasn't much of a concentration at all with GH 3 part, how is it in your res with the H&G? is there much of a salt ring at the water line in the res ?

Also, you have any experience with the NorthernBerry or Skunk strains? Wondering how nute sensitive they are.

I know nothing about "sure to grow media"...nothing at all, I will look it up just so I can expande my knoweledge. The inside of my res has ZERO salt deposits.
Havent grown the 2 you mentioned but I would suspect they can take alot of nutes....I cant swear to it...just an educated guess.
Have a great holiday bro

 

[PitViper]

PitViper,

Congrats my man those are some beauties!
I am running into stiff opposition from several local grow shops as thet won't or can't get or access Van der Zwaan's H+G, I finally found a joint that I convinced (after supplying them w/ literature and info, most off their web site in the Netherlands, England, and Australia, and Comm. Growers) who is making a commitment. I am truly grateful for the insights and after many hrs reading and researching I am willing to put my time, money and grow into this product, I hope after getting it perfect I have the result I am after. I will keep you posted and as always best wishes and hopes.
Damn what a Grow!
I have thought about container gardening and after some additional research I might change my mind.
I am also looking at Aero any thoughts?
Happy Thanksgiving!

Aero is cool but I dont see it doing anything more productive than the Ebb, would I do one...sure why not, Id try them all just so that I have the info to make smart decisions.
I wont bother with NFT, see no application for me

 

[Mr Smith]

Hi Pit, lovely garden you got going on.
You can't drought your plants in a ebb n gro multibucket system lol, it will still suck water from the live well area of the second bucket. This method of bud hardening is best suited for soil and drip grows, not standard hydro where water is always readily available to the plants.

I been using the gh tripack for 6 years with no complaints, it has ph buffers and is easily custamized to get what results your looking for. The gh chart at 50% mix solution is a nobrainer for standard grows and works well with light and heavy feeders, (watch for deep green leaves and burnt tips when going over standard ratios.

I never worry about salt build up on the top of the media, I just don't recycle that portion of the media. Only flushing agents I ever used is floraKleen 2 days before harvest.

 

[PitViper]

Hi Pit, lovely garden you got going on.
You can't drought your plants in a ebb n gro multibucket system lol, it will still suck water from the live well area of the second bucket. This method of bud hardening is best suited for soil and drip grows, not standard hydro where water is always readily available to the plants.

I been using the gh tripack for 6 years with no complaints, it has ph buffers and is easily custamized to get what results your looking for. The gh chart at 50% mix solution is a nobrainer for standard grows and works well with light and heavy feeders, (watch for deep green leaves and burnt tips when going over standard ratios.

I never worry about salt build up on the top of the media, I just don't recycle that portion of the media. Only flushing agents I ever used is floraKleen 2 days before harvest.

thanx for clarifying that for me....good info

 

[naphtali5725]

I know nothing about "sure to grow media"...nothing at all, I will look it up just so I can expande my knoweledge. The inside of my res has ZERO salt deposits.
Havent grown the 2 you mentioned but I would suspect they can take alot of nutes....I cant swear to it...just an educated guess.
Have a great holiday bro

Thnks Pit, here's the info...

Sure To Grow - Hydroponic supplies for indoor gardening
YouTube - SureToGrowers's Channel

Happy Thanksgiving!

 

[Mr Smith]

I have been reading alot about the sure to grow medium. One time use, cheap and very clean. I am hoping to test some of this medium out real soon. The medium is very new to the market.

What is H+G?
I like the gh because I know it well, understand it and its cheap around 30 bucks a gallon. I buy big when I get nutes, usually a case (6) at a time. 2 blooms for every bottle of micro, 2 micro for every bottle of grow.