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[CBDMed]

Ruh roh. One of the clones fell over. It looks like it's rotting out under the surface of the perlite.

I can easily flop it the other way.

None of the others want to flop. Did I do something wrong? Or is this just "one that did not take"?
I refilled the fertilization water last night. Everyone else seems to be doing well. None of the other perlite girls are floppy.

 

[bluter]

probably fine. there isn't much in perlite to hold them until they have decent root growth. that really doesn't happen before you see new leaves and branching. those clones are still in early stages.

 

[CBDMed]

probably fine. there isn't much in perlite to hold them until they have decent root growth. that really doesn't happen before you see new leaves and branching. those clones are still in early stages.

Umm, if I understand, I just mean that it looks like the stem is turning into a wet black noodle.
Once I filled the cup with perlite I drilled a hole straight down with a Phillips head screwdriver, pulled it out and stuck the clone down to the bottom of the cup.
Originally it was erect (not falling over).
But the other girls seem to be doing well.

EDIT: Should I just chalk this one up to the learning curve, and keep going?
Thanks.

 

[bluter]

stalk could have rotted. happens all the time if you use a heat mat. never use a heat mat on clones. they are only for germination of seed.

 

[cbdhemp808]

Only after I pot them up. Mine are done on perlite, though. Not sure if that makes any difference. Maybe I'll try a round with lights and see.

I just do what the experts say, which is... warmth, moisture, and light. It makes sense to me. I just completed another batch at 100%. I use coir with some perlite and very light nutes. Mist inside the dome 1x or 2x per day. I get lots of roots, and roots coming out the bottom by a couple weeks or so. I'll keep doing it this way until one day and switch over to @Wastei 's hydro method.

 

[CBDMed]

stalk could have rotted. happens all the time if you use a heat mat. never use a heat mat on clones. they are only for germination of seed.

Hmm...
Maybe earlier it was cold, so a heat mat made more sense.
But then yesterday it got warm--so maybe the heat mat is no longer beneficial?? (Situation dependent?)

 

[cbdhemp808]

Hmm...
Maybe earlier it was cold, so a heat mat made more sense.
But then yesterday it got warm--so maybe the heat mat is no longer beneficial?? (Situation dependent?)

I think you need a warm room, not a heating pad. Cuz you don't want to drive off moisture from in and around the container and cutting. What are your daytime and nighttime temps in the room?

 

[CBDMed]

I think you need a warm room, not a heating pad. Cuz you don't want to drive off moisture from in and around the container and cutting.

That makes sense. Thanks.

What are your daytime and nighttime temps in the room?

Good question. Peak in the day I have seen as low as 68F and as high as 84F, depending on sunshine and the season.

Probably I could make some room in the Gas Lantern room or the Bloom Room, where they would have enough light. Then I could carry a tray to the sink area for watering every 3 days.

 

[cbdhemp808]

That makes sense. Thanks.

Good question. Peak in the day I have seen as low as 68F and as high as 84F, depending on sunshine and the season.

Probably I could make some room in the Gas Lantern room or the Bloom Room, where they would have enough light. Then I could carry a tray to the sink area for watering every 3 days.

You will need night interruption lighting on the clones, so not in your flower room. Just hold a cup over a tub or something when watering. What about nighttime low? Mid 70°s to high 80°s range is just fine for cloning I'd say. Some dip in the night I don't think is a problem.

Note, I only water my coir-based medium once in a 2-week period, toward the end.

 

[CBDMed]

You will need night interruption lighting on the clones, so not in your flower room.

Ahhh... right! (Brain cramp.)

Just hold a cup over a tub or something when watering.

Yeah, good point. They do not drink much. A bucket should work fine.

What about nighttime low? Mid 70°s to high 80°s range is just fine for cloning I'd say.

LOL!!!
Yeah, originally we were in a warmer place but it did not work out.
Sorry if I did not specify, the above temps (84 in the laundry room) are in a DIFFERENT room.

OUTSIDE here it is 68F daytime winter outside, nighttime maybe 45-50F (and HUMID!) (You probably need a heating pad then).
Summer is more like 70-75F days outside, nights 55F, but inside the house night is maybe 65F at night.
So, summertime clones or clones in the Gas Lantern (Night Interruption) Room sounds like a very good suggestion, thanks!

Some dip in the night I don't think is a problem.

Note, I only water my coir-based medium once in a 2-week period, toward the end.

Interesting. Thanks!

 

[cbdhemp808]

Just keep 'em in a warm room. The weather is so mild here in Hawaii, I can keep mine in the greenhouse. But I have actually thought of doing the cloning in a room in the house.

 

[bluter]

Hmm...
Maybe earlier it was cold, so a heat mat made more sense.

were you trying to clone in the fridge .. ?
that's about the only place i'd use one outside of germination. i don't own a heat mat, i use a shelf above my stereo amp which provides enough.

But then yesterday it got warm--so maybe the heat mat is no longer beneficial?? (Situation dependent?)

just clone in your normal room. room temp is perfect. you can dome or mist them if you want. i don't always bother.
the most important thing with a hempy clone is to give them a mild dose of weak veg nutes every 3 days. the clone won't use the nutes but you have to refresh it. ph won't matter so much but you can ph if you want.

should have roots generally in 10 days to 2wks.

2 rules of young plants / seedlings:

1. heat mats are only for seeds and germination.
2. domes and misting are only for clones.

 

[CBDMed]

Just keep 'em in a warm room. The weather is so mild here in Hawaii, I can keep mine in the greenhouse. But I have actually thought of doing the cloning in a room in the house.

Thank you. I had other commitments today, but tomorrow I hope to move the clones into the Gas Lantern room. (EDIT or other warm room.)

 

[CBDMed]

were you trying to clone in the fridge .. ?

Hahaha, apparently!

that's about the only place i'd use one outside of germination. i don't own a heat mat, i use a shelf above my stereo amp which provides enough.

Oh, but so then you DO use a heat mat...

just clone in your normal room. room temp is perfect. you can dome or mist them if you want. i don't always bother.

Ok, thank you.
How much light do you give them?

the most important thing with a hempy clone is to give them a mild dose of weak veg nutes every 3 days. the clone won't use the nutes but you have to refresh it. ph won't matter so much but you can ph if you want.

should have roots generally in 10 days to 2wks.

2 rules of young plants / seedlings:

1. heat mats are only for seeds and germination.
2. domes and misting are only for clones.

thank you

 

[CBDMed]

Ok, happy day I am repurposing the two rooms into one big bloom room downstairs,
And a clone room upstairs.
The new clone room is on Gas Lantern Routine (12.0 - 5.5 - 1.0 - 5.5-repeat).
I want to fill it with clones as soon as I figure out how to do it.

The only existing clones that look good are the ones I just cut. I have to throw the others. Apparently they did not like being in the main room even with a light baffle, so they stressed. So I'm hoping that this softer and more stable environment will be better for them.

Actually, the longest lived existing clone that I have is the one I have experimenting in a cup of water in the patio room. It has been alive longer than anything else. So actually I'm thinking about growing more of these to start with. Maybe three or four per cup, because you just change the water each day and that's it.
I like the perlite method a lot but so far I'm not having success. So I'm gonna try half in water and half in perlite with a more stable environment. Maybe they don't like the air fryer or the fridge? Haha

It's time to the downstairs room needs to flip. (ha ha can someone please make an animated gift of a cannabis plant doing a backflip? Ha ha)

About consolidating rooms, I thought I should put the three sativas in the back, because they will be taller and the air should flow better.
I put NL CBD Sativa in the far left corner. She will do the somersault tonight, so she will end up taller than the other two. Haha
( I will be looking to raise the lights on the back wall for sure. )

Then I put the Indica girls in the front, where the fans can hit the buds more directly.
The three auto afghan indicas in the center are already in flower.

This is the left side of the room coming in the door

And then this is indica-ville around the corner to the right with Dr. Seedsman 30:1 sativa in the corner

Then I have those Kush flash van stitch autos. They're supposed to take 60 days exactly, so the same time as the flip. I thought I could put two per bucket and then whatever happens, happens. Seven came up.
I figure I can bend one of them one way, and the other one the other way.
They already have a little bit of a Headstart, so they should be able to finish up in the same amount of time in flowering, and then I do not need to mess with bugs or stairs to the roof (sounds good to me)
Only, I will have to tuck them into the aisles, and pull them out when I go to water the big girls, but that's better than dealing with ultraviolet destroying my buckets.

I'm still getting a big nothing from CoffeeShopSeeds
Someone recommended from micro artisan Pineapple Kush from a shop in the states but they do not ship.
So I placed an order for some pineapple Kush here in Colombia that one of the local grow shops crossed.

Pineapple Kush Feminized
Pineapple Skunk (F) X Golden Temple Kush (M)
Strain Description:
Pineapple is our original Pineapple Skunk used by Barney’s Farm, crossed with our Golden Temple Kush (GTK) male plant, then we crossed it back with our Pineapple Skunk.
It is a tropical candy flavour, with a pineapple flavour on the inhale and a Kush flavour on the exhale. A very potent strain that produces extensively in open field in the tropics as well as under lights.
An excellent Indica version of our lovely Pineapple Skunk that was around in the late 90s.
Flowering time: 60 days

So we will see. Then I can mix it with sativa Dr. Seedsman 30: 1, and also with Indica Candida which I have to bloom in the summer months.

I do not know that I will ever hear from coffee shop so I can't spend forever on it.
I have some other seeds coming but the post is very slow here.
So I thought I should make clones or try to make clones in case nothing gets here and I have to go with what I have.
I also want to try that silver thiosulfate spray, to make feminized seeds. That Peyote Wi-Fi CBD is also a sativa!
there's really only one more branch I can try to clone with Peyote Wi-Fi CBD, and I'm not sure if my clone technique yet, so I really want to make Seeds of her for sure.
And as long as I am at it, why not make Seeds on the sativas and the best ones?

 

[cbdhemp808]

Looking great!

FYI, I personally wouldn't buy the Barney's Farm Pineapple Kush unless I could see a terpene profile and get some idea of the phenotypes, in order to have some foresight on fungus/mold resistance. It's not the same Pineapple Kush as what's produced by East Fork Cultivars. EDIT: For one thing, the East Fork Cultivars one is a CBD type 3! If you're looking for a naturally bud rot resistant THC indica, I'd go for Granddaddy Purple.

 

[CBDMed]

Looking great!

FYI, I personally wouldn't buy the Barney's Farm Pineapple Kush unless I could see a terpene profile and get some idea of the phenotypes, in order to have some foresight on fungus/mold resistance. It's not the same Pineapple Kush as what's produced by East Fork Cultivars. EDIT: For one thing, the East Fork Cultivars one is a CBD type 3! If you're looking for a naturally bud rot resistant THC indica, I'd go for Granddaddy Purple.

Well, yeah!
but I did a seedfinder.EU search for Barney's Farm Pineapple Kush, but they don't list it.

big sigh....
A will have to find someone who will ship to here. The Tweedle Creek said they would not ship.
Royal Queen Seeds also has one but I have not yet given up completely on James of Coffee Shop.
Plus I have some older Harlequin regulars I can try to sprout, and some other seeds, so I've got time to pray for Coffee Shop.

 

[Azimuth]

Cloning is really hard until you find some way that works for you then it becomes routine.

I clone in perlite as well, but I spray my clones twice a day about 12 hours apart and keep them out of any direct light. You can read how I do it in my sig if you want more detail. I've tried a lot of different ways and the cup of water always took the absolute longest of anything I've had success with, and by a lot.

 

[CBDMed]

Cloning is really hard until you find some way that works for you then it becomes routine.

I clone in perlite as well, but I spray my clones twice a day about 12 hours apart and keep them out of any direct light. You can read how I do it in my sig if you want more detail. I've tried a lot of different ways and the cup of water always took the absolute longest of anything I've had success with, and by a lot.

OK maybe tomorrow I can take half of them and try perlite again in the clone room upstairs.
I'm out of gas for tonight.
At least they are cut, and the flower room is flipped to 12/12.
I think I will put them in a tray and take them up to the clone room tonight, and bring them back down in the daytime for a water change. And then tomorrow we can do whatever needs to be done. But at least we are flipped over to 12/12, so we have two months until we can cut the electric bills.
And then in about two months they should be ready to start in the greenhouse.
So that all lines up.

I want to read up about silver thiosulfate tomorrow also, so I can make seeds on one branch each.
They will not let me ship any seeds out of the country without expensive licenses, so I just need to make seeds for personal storage, and In case the clones do not work.
What do I do, sacrifice a small cola that gets good light? Or do I spray a small twig?
I think the goal would be to get about 20 good seeds per plant or so.

 

[CBDMed]

Too bad about Tweedle Creek Farms.
One alternate was Royal Queen Seeds, which also makes a Pineapple Kush.
Here is the RQS advertisement. They boast a "complex terpene profile", but they do not say what it is.

Pineapple Kush​

Pineapple x OG Kush​

The Pineapple Kush strain may be a cross between two very famous plants, but the popularity it has amassed is a result of its own prowess in the grow room. Expect a tropical taste reminiscent of pineapple and a slightly stoning high that will guide you into peaceful euphoria.

Pineapple Kush Stems From Pineapple and O.G. Kush​

Pineapple Kush cannabis seeds are a go-to option for growers seeking a pleasant and dreamy stoning high augmented by delicious fruity flavours. Skilled breeders here at Royal Queen Seeds created this sugary sweet hybrid by crossing the parent strains Pineapple and OG Kush. This pairing resulted in a progeny that is 80% indica and 20% sativa. This cultivar has gained recognition from growers worldwide for its speedy flowering time, high productivity, and soothing high that relaxes the body while kindling creative thoughts.

Effects, Flavours, and Aromas of the Pineapple Kush Strain: A Fusion of Fruit and Gas​

Following germination, Pineapple Kush cannabis seeds grow into bushy and vigorous plants with dense, colourful colas. These buds contain 18% THC, meaning they produce a more subtle high than many modern hybrids. The strain’s lightly stoning effect relaxes the body and makes the eyelids heavy without rendering users dysfunctional. The complex terpene profile also contributes to the effects, steering them in a euphoric direction. Expect complex diesel, fruit, pepper, and pineapple flavours with every puff.

Growing Pineapple Kush Cannabis Seeds: Fast Flowering and Big Yields​

Pineapple Kush feminized seeds produce stocky plants that exhibit a quintessential indica shape. They feature a thick main stem, short internodes, and broad fan leaves. Indoors, plants peak at a height of 120cm when left untrained, but the application of topping and training will keep them around 70cm. Prepare to harvest up to 550g/m² after a flowering time of 8–9 weeks. Plants grown outdoors grow to 120–180cm and produce 500–550g/plant ready to harvest during late September.


And here is Seedfinder.eu.
It also does not give a terpene profile.

Pineapple Kush is a mostly indica variety from Royal Queen and can be cultivated indoors (where the plants will need a flowering time of ±53 days) and outdoors. Royal Queens Pineapple Kush is a THC dominant variety and is/was only available as feminized seeds.

Royal Queens Pineapple Kush Description​

Pineapple Kush may be a cross between two very popular strains, but the popularity it has amassed is as a result of the expert blending of those two strains. Whilst it is sometimes mistaken for Pineapple Express because both share a tropical taste reminiscent of pineapple.

This strain stands out because of the high potency that it possesses as a result of being bred from the well-known OG Kush strain; although it isn't quite as strong as the original, this strain certainly offers quite a considerable mental high.

The indica heavy blend of this strain, and the high CBD:THC ratio that comes as a result of that, means that it is an excellent choice for customers who are looking for something to help with anxiety or other related problems, like migraines, PMS or general stress. The strain has also been praised for having a positive effect on people who have Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder or a reduced appetite. This effect that this plant offers is predominantly a head high but also offers some effect on the body - one of the primary appeals of this particular plant is its capacity as a relaxation aid for medical purposes. Combined with a tropical flavour and smell that make it appealing to seasoned smokers and non-smokers alike, these cannabis seeds will produce a plant that is a good fit for a range of purposes and customers.

One of the most attractive aspects of the strain is it's sweet taste, which whilst being quite heavy on the pineapple (as you might imagine), it has been described as having some light mint or vanilla flavour. Smokers have detected notes of caramel amongst the tropical aroma - the fruity scent of this strain is rather strong. As mentioned earlier, as OG Kush is well known as one of the strongest strains of cannabis, this fruity twist on kush does retain some of that strength - although it's physical effect is far less pronounced than its parent plant. The mental effects are somewhat comparable, though, making it a very appealing prospect for someone who is looking for a cerebral experience without so much of a physical effect.

A well grown plant will reach a height of somewhere between seventy and one hundred and twenty centimetres if grown inside, and between one hundred and twenty and one hundred and twenty centimetres if grown outside. Plants will typically produce a yield of about half a kilogram per square meter if you are growing indoors or per plant (once dried) if you are growing outdoors. These seeds have been feminized, meaning that your plants will all flower, which will happen after seven or eight weeks under normal circumstances. If you are planning to grow outside, the best time to harvest your plant would be the end of September.

If you are looking for a strain that offers great taste, a sweet smell and a very relaxing head high, Pineapple Kush may be just the ticket. Certainly, fans of the strain would tell you that if you were ever to have the opportunity to try it, this is a strain not to be missed.

THC: 18%
CBD: Low
Yield Indoor: 500-550gr m2
Yield Outdoor: 500-550 grams per plant dried
Height Indoor: 70-120 cm
Height Outdoor: 120-180 cm
Flowering time: 7-8 weeks
Harvest month: Late September
Genetic background: Pineapple x O.G. Kush
Type: Sativa: 20% Indica: 80%
Effect: High (sweet taste)


So I do not know. I looked on the RQS website and it is NOT listed as one of their eight "mold resistant" strains, so I thought to try the Colombian breeder, since they are local and much lower cost than steal shipping and insurance.