Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flower Box - Test 4: ScrOG

[BigIrishDoode]

and thats the thing thats going to end us im fairly sure

Our Sun close to midnight on Midsummer's Eve 2013

 

[Buckshot]

Cool

 

[BigIrishDoode]

i think its hot! *rimshot*

 

[jandre2k3]

The cold is long past. The newly born spring animals are enjoying the long, warm days, and are almost full-grown, now. Our toil in the soil is at full swing, as the sun reaches its highest point in the sky.


Our Sun: The giver, and taker of life. The same way it gives life to the Earth, it can also scorch it away. We look to the Sun for our very existence. It is the reason our crops grow, and is also the reason our crops can die.

The Summer solstice is the longest day of the year. Known as “Litha” (the ancient Germanic name for Summer), it is believed to be the time when the Sun God is at his strongest. He is also the God of the Forest and is often shown seated at on a green wood throne.

Herbs are at their most potent state during this time. Now is the time to gather and dry your herbs for use during the rest of the year. Waiting much longer might let them go to seed, and ruin the flavor and aroma. Sage and Lavender are especially potent at this time.


It is a time of concentrating on community, career, relationships (and, yes, sex- if it's right), communion with the Nature Spirit, and planetary wellness. Today we take a break from working in Summer's fire and celebrate in it. We gather with loved ones to pay well-deserved respect, and give thanks to the Sun and all it does for us. Summer Solstice brings us to the halfway point of the Wheel of the Year, where the sun "Stands still".

The sun is in full reign, reaching its peak in the sky and shedding beams of truth. The brilliance of the sun allows us to see things clearly, banishing shadows. Take the time to share the truth with those you hold dear. Let them know how you feel, and how you think. It is this time that will have the most impact, and effect the most change. Whether letting someone know about a secret love, or finally coming clean on something, NOW is the time. The truth will be seen in full light, and will be received for exactly what it is. Just like we clean out the cellars, and cribs, preparing the space for the coming harvest, doing away with the bad will prepare you receive the good.

Shadows flee on this time of year, leaving the land bathed in light. As the sun shines down, we can finally see things clearly, as they really are. Any shadows of doubt are removed, and we can act accordingly.

The summer crops are almost ready for harvest, and soon we will enjoy summer melons, and fruits galore! The sweet treats of summer are a special gift to give if you have them, so share with everyone you can! Just like the summer sun they will not last, so go share them with a friend.

And last, but not least: if your tan isn't already deepened by now... Wear SUNSCREEN! You will regret a sunburn on this day.




Blessed be

 

[jandre2k3]

Cool

i think its hot! *rimshot*

Padump-PSH!!

and then...


WWaa wwaaa waaaa wwwwaaaaawawawawaaaaaaaaa.(Sad Trumpet)

 

[Buckshot]

i think its hot! *rimshot*

 

[Buckshot]

That is what I am talk'in about Jandre

Cheers to old Sol


Rock on Jandre

 

[runewulfsong]

Hail and blessings to y'all on the solstice bro... nicely worded

 

[donpaul.p]

cool jandre, thanks for correcting me mate, you know i dont like giving out wrong info and this is why i asked that question in your journal as i knew you was about one of the best persons to discuss it with,

thanks chronic for providing the proof,

so thanks both,
so thc degrades into cbn, so is it the cbn that gives you more of the couch lock affect then, so 100% cloudy would be when the thc is pretty much at its max but letting it go amber means thc is degrading into cbn's. so does letting it go more amber mean its more of a couch lock, ive just read that many different journals and different sites and some say the plant is strongest at 100% cloudy and others say the affects are much stronger the more amber trichs the buds have,

sorry if im been a pain mate but i just want to make sure i get the correct info as their is so much crap all over the net that contradicts everything,

so say i want a smoke thats going to knock me out when i sleep, i mainly smoke before it go to bed so i use it to help me sleep, so am i looking for 100% cloudy for the best results or am i going to get a stronger couch lock affect with more amber say 25 to 50% or would you say thats to much, you probably think its a basic question but i been growing a while and want to make sure im getting the best i can get out of my plants, some growers say dont let it go past 100% cloudy as the thc degrades and is not a potent as it was, others say the more amber it is the more couch lock affect you get,

so im after couch lock affect for my night time smoke and im really keen on giving one of the high cbd strains a go for my daytime smoke,

again sorry to be a pain jandre, ill reps you and chronic if it lets me, just depends when i reps you last,

 

[fish cake]

Our Sun close to midnight on Midsummer's Eve 2013

that is what my brothers coffee looked like when he added one of those creamers to it this morning

 

[CronicHempHog]

have a chronic weekend all

 

[Alaskan1]

Sorry to all of you I haven't been around the last 2 days to answer your CBD questions. plenty of good questions being asked and I have answers for all of them. just so damn late and I have to get my ass to bed. been cloning all night for my next upcoming grow. I will get back here tomorrow night after I get off work.

 

[Alaskan1]

Geeze.... I shoulda known that. That's the oil we produce here in Cali. If it's not 100% pure, clear, and golden-colored, it ain't going to a patient. Period.


At least in my neck of the woods.

You are probably referring to BHO which if that's the case is correct. you want it a nice honey color. Not dark. RSO on the other hand is a dark goo lol I can provide pictures of correct coloring of both if you like.

 

[Alaskan1]

Not sure if there would be a way to double extract and separate the thc and cbd or not, at least not without some expensive lab equipment. That said, I've been experimenting with cooking and I have noticed that when I use Kief in something with only moderate fat, you don't get stoned unless you overdo it, but it does help quite a bit with physical pain, fibro, migraine for me, my girl's cramps and anxiety, etc. I think edible being more time released, especially when not on an empty stomace, keeps the stone down but still allows the other effects, like the cbd pain ones, to hit the body. I do notice for me, it takes about 45 min - 1 hour for it to be a noticed change, my girl will notice in 20 - 40 mins. I have a much higher tolerance than her.

Just a few thoughts and observations from my own experimentation and a bit absorbed from the Dr. when I got my medical approval about differnt ways to use, how they will affect and strain considerations.

Be well

Different chemicals in cannabis burn or are activated at different rates. You need to know this

Phytocannabinoids, their boiling points, and properties


delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)
Boiling point: 157*C / 314.6 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Euphoriant, Analgesic, Antiinflammatory, Antioxidant, Antiemetic

cannabidiol (CBD)
Boiling point: 160-180*C / 320-356 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Anxiolytic, Analgesic, Antipsychotic, Antiinflammatory, Antioxidant, Antispasmodic

Cannabinol (CBN)
Boiling point: 185*C / 365 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Oxidation, breakdown, product, Sedative, Antibiotic

cannabichromene (CBC)
Boiling point: 220*C / 428 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antifungal

cannabigerol (CBG)
Boiling point: MP52
Properties: Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antifungal

?-8-tetrahydrocannabinol (?-8-THC)
Boiling point: 175-178*C / 347-352.4 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Resembles ?-9-THC, Less psychoactive, More stable Antiemetic

tetrahydrocannabivarin (THCV)
Boiling point: < 220*C / <428 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Analgesic, Euphoriant



Terpenoid essential oils, their boiling points, and properties


ß-myrcene
Boiling point: 166-168*C / 330.8-334.4 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Analgesic. Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antimutagenic

ß-caryophyllene
Boiling point: 119*C / 246.2 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antiinflammatory, Cytoprotective (gastric mucosa), Antimalarial

d-limonene
Boiling point: 177*C / 350.6 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Cannabinoid agonist?, Immune potentiator, Antidepressant, Antimutagenic

linalool
Boiling point: 198*C / 388.4 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Sedative, Antidepressant, Anxiolytic, Immune potentiator

pulegone
Boiling point: 224*C / 435.2 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Memory booster?, AChE inhibitor, Sedative, Antipyretic

1,8-cineole (eucalyptol)
Boiling point: 176*C / 348.8 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: AChE inhibitor, Increases cerebral, blood flow, Stimulant, Antibiotic, Antiviral, Antiinflammatory, Antinociceptive

a-pinene
Boiling point: 156*C / 312.8 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antiinflammatory, Bronchodilator, Stimulant, Antibiotic, Antineoplastic, AChE inhibitor

a-terpineol
Boiling point: 217-218*C / 422.6-424.4 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Sedative, Antibiotic, AChE inhibitor, Antioxidant, Antimalarial

terpineol-4-ol
Boiling point: 209*C / 408.2 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: AChE inhibitor. Antibiotic

p-cymene
Boiling point: 177*C / 350.6 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antibiotic, Anticandidal, AChE inhibitor

 

[Alaskan1]

im sure jandre will correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure thc degrades into cbd, now i may be totally wrong but im going on what i read and not on actual experience as i have no way of testing anything i grow, if i could send it to a lab and be tested i would do

now from what i can tell thc degrades and then turns into cbd, so if i had the chance id grow a plant and harvest at different times,
now their is plenty of arguments when its best to harvest, i have some growers saying its best to harvest just before the trichs turn cloudy or just after you notice a few cloudy trichs as they continue to develop even after harvest,

others say to get the best thc content its best to harvest around 100% cloudy or around 75 to 80% cloudy so the trichs are around 100% cloudy after drying period
now when the trichs turn amber this is suppose to be signs that the thc is degrading and its past its best, its a bit confusing as their is many different statements on the net, some say the best thc levels are when you have between 10 and 25% amber trichs but this info comes from growers who really dont know the true facts,

from what i can make out the highest thc content is around 80 to 100% cloudy with the odd amber trich,
when you notice the trichs turning amber the thc is degrading and this means an increase in cbd,

maybe jandre can clear this up as he has been working with cbd genetics so maybe has a much better understanding that most,

so im wondering if you end up with higher cbd % if you let the trichs turn mostly amber, this should be when thc has degraded so shouldnt be as potent,

another thing im wonder is if we bred plants when the trichs had turned amber, so putting pollen on a bud that has 1/4amber trichs would this then results in the seeds having a higher cbd level,

plus say a seed says its 5% cbd, does this mean its 5%cbd at 100% cloudy or would you end up with higher cbd levels if you let the trichs go more amber,

please dont take my word on what i have written in this post, im going on several bits of info i have picked up over the time i have been growing, but from what i can tell thc degrades into cbd, so when the trichs degrade they go from clear to cloudy which im told is when the plant is at its most potent, when the trichs turn amber this means the ths is degrading and past its best, this then turns into cbd,

so would it benefit a patient who is growing to let their plants go past the cloudy stage and wait till it was mostly amber, would this then lower the thc % and increase the cbd%, im only wondering this as i have suffered with ibs for to long now and smoking a couple of joints at night helps me sleep and eases the pain but i cant smoke to much in the day as i have to do stuff so dont want to be to chilled,

it really does help with my pain and id love to have a daytime smoke that not as high in thc, i prefer the thc content to help with sleep as i suffer with insomnia but im trying to find out if their is a decent cbd sativa strain or if i harveted a plant when trichs where mostly amber then would this increase cbd and lower thc,

CBD is very different than THC and is produced in the plant far differently. We have found in testing that CBD produced and can be used/smoked at 5 weeks into flowering. in other words, At about 6 weeks of flower that your not going to get much higher in CBD content then it is at that point. THC of course is not the same.

 

[Alaskan1]

I'd like to point out a few things if I may to help alleviate any confusion...

1) "CBD shares a precursor with THC" This does not say that CBD -is- a precursor... it says it Shares a precursor- A basic building block of cannabinoids is shared between these 2 and many other cannabinoids.

2) "Cannabinol (CBN) is the primary product of THC degradation" Letting a plant age does not increase the amount of CBD... it decreases the amount of THC into CBN and thus changes the RATIO of THC to CBN. (sorry, hot topic for me)

3) "CBN content increases as THC degrades in storage, and with exposure to light and air." (just to further prove my point)

Lastly, I'd like to thank you, @Cronichemphog for posting this in this thread. I had a very heated debate a few weeks back, and this just goes to show that I really do know what I'm talking about.


<<Walks off muttering something about a "...young buck...">>

LOL I unfriended the douchebag. he really thinks he knows everything but knows very little. He is out trying to impress people who have no clue.

 

[Alaskan1]

cool jandre, thanks for correcting me mate, you know i dont like giving out wrong info and this is why i asked that question in your journal as i knew you was about one of the best persons to discuss it with,

thanks chronic for providing the proof,

so thanks both,
so thc degrades into cbn, so is it the cbn that gives you more of the couch lock affect then, so 100% cloudy would be when the thc is pretty much at its max but letting it go amber means thc is degrading into cbn's. so does letting it go more amber mean its more of a couch lock, ive just read that many different journals and different sites and some say the plant is strongest at 100% cloudy and others say the affects are much stronger the more amber trichs the buds have,

sorry if im been a pain mate but i just want to make sure i get the correct info as their is so much crap all over the net that contradicts everything,

so say i want a smoke thats going to knock me out when i sleep, i mainly smoke before it go to bed so i use it to help me sleep, so am i looking for 100% cloudy for the best results or am i going to get a stronger couch lock affect with more amber say 25 to 50% or would you say thats to much, you probably think its a basic question but i been growing a while and want to make sure im getting the best i can get out of my plants, some growers say dont let it go past 100% cloudy as the thc degrades and is not a potent as it was, others say the more amber it is the more couch lock affect you get,

so im after couch lock affect for my night time smoke and im really keen on giving one of the high cbd strains a go for my daytime smoke,

again sorry to be a pain jandre, ill reps you and chronic if it lets me, just depends when i reps you last,

If you are after sleep the more amber the better. Also only use a heavy indica plant. The heavier indica the better. Most sativa plants will keep you awake or at the very least not help you sleep all that much. Not always the rule but......
CBD can be had in indica and sativa plants a like.

 

[runewulfsong]

Thanks Alaskan1... So, if I'm reading that right, you could, in theory, make an extraction from mmj, then distill it at different temperatures to seperate the different cannabanoids? Would that work and would they recondense if captured after vaporization? Just curious on that one, could be interesting and could lead to an easier way to medicate for different issues possibly.

 

[donpaul.p]

thanks alaskan, great info, ill order some cbd strains and see how i get on, its just a good day time smoke that i need.

indica is best for me for sleeping so i always order a high indica % strain,

thanks for the info, ill reps you if it lets me,

 

[Alaskan1]

thanks alaskan, great info, ill order some cbd strains and see how i get on, its just a good day time smoke that i need.

indica is best for me for sleeping so i always order a high indica % strain,

thanks for the info, ill reps you if it lets me,

For the seeds out there I would buy some cannatonic and see what I get out of them CBD wise. It's a 60% indica 40% Sativa plant . Harlequin on the other hand is a sativa plant. both good CBD producers.
Just a note. With Cannatonic you never know what you're going to get. could be all thc or could be mostly CBD. You just don't know until it's grown and tested. If you're wanting a sure bet then I'd look at the CBD Crew seeds.