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im sure jandre will correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure thc degrades into cbd, now i may be totally wrong but im going on what i read and not on actual experience as i have no way of testing anything i grow, if i could send it to a lab and be tested i would do

now from what i can tell thc degrades and then turns into cbd, so if i had the chance id grow a plant and harvest at different times,
now their is plenty of arguments when its best to harvest, i have some growers saying its best to harvest just before the trichs turn cloudy or just after you notice a few cloudy trichs as they continue to develop even after harvest,

others say to get the best thc content its best to harvest around 100% cloudy or around 75 to 80% cloudy so the trichs are around 100% cloudy after drying period
now when the trichs turn amber this is suppose to be signs that the thc is degrading and its past its best, its a bit confusing as their is many different statements on the net, some say the best thc levels are when you have between 10 and 25% amber trichs but this info comes from growers who really dont know the true facts,

from what i can make out the highest thc content is around 80 to 100% cloudy with the odd amber trich,
when you notice the trichs turning amber the thc is degrading and this means an increase in cbd,

maybe jandre can clear this up as he has been working with cbd genetics so maybe has a much better understanding that most,

so im wondering if you end up with higher cbd % if you let the trichs turn mostly amber, this should be when thc has degraded so shouldnt be as potent,

another thing im wonder is if we bred plants when the trichs had turned amber, so putting pollen on a bud that has 1/4amber trichs would this then results in the seeds having a higher cbd level,

plus say a seed says its 5% cbd, does this mean its 5%cbd at 100% cloudy or would you end up with higher cbd levels if you let the trichs go more amber,

please dont take my word on what i have written in this post, im going on several bits of info i have picked up over the time i have been growing, but from what i can tell thc degrades into cbd, so when the trichs degrade they go from clear to cloudy which im told is when the plant is at its most potent, when the trichs turn amber this means the ths is degrading and past its best, this then turns into cbd,

so would it benefit a patient who is growing to let their plants go past the cloudy stage and wait till it was mostly amber, would this then lower the thc % and increase the cbd%, im only wondering this as i have suffered with ibs for to long now and smoking a couple of joints at night helps me sleep and eases the pain but i cant smoke to much in the day as i have to do stuff so dont want to be to chilled,

it really does help with my pain and id love to have a daytime smoke that not as high in thc, i prefer the thc content to help with sleep as i suffer with insomnia but im trying to find out if their is a decent cbd sativa strain or if i harveted a plant when trichs where mostly amber then would this increase cbd and lower thc,
 
To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted. —Ecclesiastes 3:1-2
 
this might intrest you its only one paragraph so theres alot more info
The first step in the pentyl cannabinoid biosynthetic pathway is the combination of olivetolic acid with geranyl pyrophosphate. Both of these molecules are derived from terpenes, and it is readily apparent that the biosynthetic route of the aromatic terpenoids may be a clue to formation of the cannabinoids. The union of these two molecules forms CBG acid (cannabigerolic acid) which is the basic cannabinoid precursor molecule. CBG acid may be converted to CBGM (CBG acid monomethyl ether), or a hydroxyl group (OH) attaches to the geraniol portion of the molecule forming hydroxy-CBG acid. Through the formation of a transition-state molecule, either CBC acid (cannabichromenic acid) or CBD acid (cannabidiolic acid) is formed. CBD acid is the precursor to the THC acids, and, although CBD is only mildly psychoactive by itself, it may act with THC to modify the psychoactive effect of the THC in a sedative way. CBC is also mildly psychoactive and may interact synergistically with THC to alter the psychoactive effect. Indeed, CBD may suppress the effect of THC and CBC may potentiate the effect of THC, although this has not yet been proven. All of the reactions along the cannabinoid biosynthetic pathway are enzyme-controlled but are affected by environmental conditions.
 
this info is kinda old so maybe they discovered or figured out more by now considering this info is about 37 yrs old lol
just thought it might be interesting to see what changes in all these years as far as technology and testing
maybe the info is still good? maybe they discovered more by now?
 
err sorry i didnt finish everything b4 you posted lol
as noted above very old info
lol 37 years
i just thought it would be interesting to see how they see things now as compared to 37 years ago
and that paragraph was copied and pasted from an old book
yea i plagerized so what lol
 
damnit this one wont allow me to copy and paste from a newer book with different info as far as thc and cbd cbn
 
If you get it to work, I'd love to see it.

sure np maybe ill just keep going back and forth and type it out when im less lazy to type
 
Tetrahydrocannabinol

Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is the primary psychoactive component of the Cannabis plant. Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (Δ9-THC, THC) and delta-8-tetrahydrocannabinol (Δ8-THC), mimic the action of anandamide, a neurotransmitter produced naturally in the body. These two THC's produce the effects associated with cannabis by binding to the CB1 cannabinoid receptors in the brain. THC appears to ease moderate pain (analgesic) and to be neuroprotective. Studies show THC reduces neuroinflammation and stimulates neurogenesis. THC has approximately equal affinity for the CB1 and CB2 receptor

Cannabidiol



Cannabidiol (CBD) is not psychoactive, and was thought not to affect the psychoactivity of THC. However, recent evidence shows that smokers of cannabis with a higher CBD/THC ratio were less likely to experience schizophrenia-like symptoms. This is supported by psychological tests, in which participants experience less intense psychotic-like effects when intravenous THC was co-administered with CBD (as measured with a PANSS test). Cannabidiol has little affinity for CB1 and CB2 receptors but acts as an indirect antagonist of cannabinoid agonists. Recently it was found to be an antagonist at the putative new cannabinoid receptor, GPR55, a GPCR expressed in the caudate nucleus and putamen. Cannabidiol has also been shown to act as a 5-HT1A receptor agonist, an action that is involved in its antidepressant, anxiolytic, and neuroprotective effects.

It appears to relieve convulsion, inflammation, anxiety, and nausea. CBD has a greater affinity for the CB2 receptor than for the CB1 receptor.

CBD shares a precursor with THC and is the main cannabinoid in low-THC Cannabis strains. CBD apparently plays a role in preventing the short-term memory loss associated with THC in mammals.

Some research suggests that the antipsychotic effects of cannabidiol potentially represent a novel mechanism in the treatment of schizophrenia.

Researchers at California Pacific Medical Center discovered CBD's ability to "turn off" the activity of ID1, the gene responsible for metastasis in breast and other types of cancers, including the particularly aggressive triple negative breast cancer. The researchers hope to start human trials soon


Cannabinol


Cannabinol (CBN) is the primary product of THC degradation, and there is usually little of it in a fresh plant. CBN content increases as THC degrades in storage, and with exposure to light and air. It is only mildly psychoactive. Its affinity to the CB2 receptor is higher than for the CB1 receptor

this one came from somewhere else lol
but it should be more current as far as info goes lol

so yea don as jandre stated its cbn that thc degrades into
 
oh yea also that first post off the old book i guess even back then they had the chemistry of it down
but as the paragraphs go down it says the same thing
These cannabinoid acids are formed through the progressive degradation of THC acids to CBN acid (cannabinolic acid) and other cannabinoid acids.
this older book had info from researchers in the 70's
 
I'd like to point out a few things if I may to help alleviate any confusion...

1) "CBD shares a precursor with THC" This does not say that CBD -is- a precursor... it says it Shares a precursor- A basic building block of cannabinoids is shared between these 2 and many other cannabinoids.

2) "Cannabinol (CBN) is the primary product of THC degradation" Letting a plant age does not increase the amount of CBD... it decreases the amount of THC into CBN and thus changes the RATIO of THC to CBN. (sorry, hot topic for me)

3) "CBN content increases as THC degrades in storage, and with exposure to light and air." (just to further prove my point)

Tetrahydrocannabinol

Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is the primary psychoactive component of the Cannabis plant. Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (Δ9-THC, THC) and delta-8-tetrahydrocannabinol (Δ8-THC), mimic the action of anandamide, a neurotransmitter produced naturally in the body. These two THC's produce the effects associated with cannabis by binding to the CB1 cannabinoid receptors in the brain. THC appears to ease moderate pain (analgesic) and to be neuroprotective. Studies show THC reduces neuroinflammation and stimulates neurogenesis. THC has approximately equal affinity for the CB1 and CB2 receptor

Cannabidiol

Cannabidiol (CBD) is not psychoactive, and was thought not to affect the psychoactivity of THC. However, recent evidence shows that smokers of cannabis with a higher CBD/THC ratio were less likely to experience schizophrenia-like symptoms. This is supported by psychological tests, in which participants experience less intense psychotic-like effects when intravenous THC was co-administered with CBD (as measured with a PANSS test). Cannabidiol has little affinity for CB1 and CB2 receptors but acts as an indirect antagonist of cannabinoid agonists. Recently it was found to be an antagonist at the putative new cannabinoid receptor, GPR55, a GPCR expressed in the caudate nucleus and putamen. Cannabidiol has also been shown to act as a 5-HT1A receptor agonist, an action that is involved in its antidepressant, anxiolytic, and neuroprotective effects.

It appears to relieve convulsion, inflammation, anxiety, and nausea. CBD has a greater affinity for the CB2 receptor than for the CB1 receptor.

CBD shares a precursor with THC and is the main cannabinoid in low-THC Cannabis strains. CBD apparently plays a role in preventing the short-term memory loss associated with THC in mammals.

Some research suggests that the antipsychotic effects of cannabidiol potentially represent a novel mechanism in the treatment of schizophrenia.

Researchers at California Pacific Medical Center discovered CBD's ability to "turn off" the activity of ID1, the gene responsible for metastasis in breast and other types of cancers, including the particularly aggressive triple negative breast cancer. The researchers hope to start human trials soon

Cannabinol

Cannabinol (CBN) is the primary product of THC degradation, and there is usually little of it in a fresh plant. CBN content increases as THC degrades in storage, and with exposure to light and air. It is only mildly psychoactive. Its affinity to the CB2 receptor is higher than for the CB1 receptor

this one came from somewhere else lol
but it should be more current as far as info goes lol

so yea don as jandre stated its cbn that thc degrades into

Lastly, I'd like to thank you, @CronicHempHog for posting this in this thread. I had a very heated debate a few weeks back, and this just goes to show that I really do know what I'm talking about.


<<Walks off muttering something about a "...young buck...">>
 
I'd like to point out a few things if I may to help alleviate any confusion...

1) "CBD shares a precursor with THC" This does not say that CBD -is- a precursor... it says it Shares a precursor- A basic building block of cannabinoids is shared between these 2 and many other cannabinoids.

2) "Cannabinol (CBN) is the primary product of THC degradation" Letting a plant age does not increase the amount of CBD... it decreases the amount of THC into CBN and thus changes the RATIO of THC to CBN. (sorry, hot topic for me)

3) "CBN content increases as THC degrades in storage, and with exposure to light and air." (just to further prove my point)

Lastly, I'd like to thank you, @Cronichemphog for posting this in this thread. I had a very heated debate a few weeks back, and this just goes to show that I really do know what I'm talking about.

<<Walks off muttering something about a "...young buck...">>

Never doubted you for one second Jandre:)
Have a great Friedday:)
 
Jandre

I came to read some summer solstice words of wisdom... what up?
 
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