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Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flower Box - Test 4: ScrOG
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Now thats a scrog!!
Very Nice Jandre.
How long have you been in flower if you are?
BTW good weed to you Sir
Very Nice Jandre.How long have you been in flower if you are?
BTW good weed to you Sir
very nice jandre, reps if it lets me,
have you ever tried dls for flower after using glr for veg, or is that what your doing here, if you are which dlr schedule to you follow as i have seen a few different diminishing schedules so thought id ask if their was one you stuck to or if you just went with what you feel is right based on growth,
also do you find all strains respond well to glr, im a bit on the fence, im just about to flip my light back to veg for the next round of plants so might give glr another shot as i didnt use it last time round and growing clones and seedlings of the same plants so was thinking about giving it another try this time round so i can compare growth and check how long i have the plants in veg for before flipping to flower at the height i like to keep them at,
have you ever tried dls for flower after using glr for veg, or is that what your doing here, if you are which dlr schedule to you follow as i have seen a few different diminishing schedules so thought id ask if their was one you stuck to or if you just went with what you feel is right based on growth,
also do you find all strains respond well to glr, im a bit on the fence, im just about to flip my light back to veg for the next round of plants so might give glr another shot as i didnt use it last time round and growing clones and seedlings of the same plants so was thinking about giving it another try this time round so i can compare growth and check how long i have the plants in veg for before flipping to flower at the height i like to keep them at,
Nice update J
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Today will be the first "Night" and when the lights come back on at 5pm it will be the first "Day" of Flower. However these were from seed, so it will take a little longer for the transition than it usually does from a clone. These two are still juveniles.Now thats a scrog!!
How long have you been in flower if you are?
BTW good weed to you Sir
Hey! Thanks for the rep! These will use the Diminishing Light Schedule. As these are from seed I'm expecting almost a month of transition, from what I've seen from previous runs in the Cardboard Flower Box, so I will start diminishing in about 3-4 weeks, rather than the normal 2 weeks of 12/12 after switching from 12-1. I just wanted to kick start these seedlings right from the start. It's partly controlling size more than anything that I went ahead and flipped them to flower.
Thank-ya sir!Nice update J
no worries, reps are well deserved, i found that using dls to early slows down flowering,, it just seemd to slow flowering down by adjusting the lights to early, so i think your spot on by adjusting the light 3 to 4 weeks into flower,
as you used glr to veg then they will flip to flower pretty soon, at least i found mine pretty much flipped to flower with very little stretch as they had been stretching under glr, but you will easily fill the scrog, with plants that big it wont take long till your trimming it back to keep it under control.
do you know if anyone has used 11-13 for flower with the 11 hours been the lights off period and 13 hours on, i know plants will flower with as little as 14 hours of light so 13 hours of light should keep plants in flower, im just wondering if the extra hour of light would give the plant more time to flower or even reduce the flower period due to it getting an extra days worth of light every 12 days, i didnt know if this is something you had tried or knew anyone who had tried this,
as you used glr to veg then they will flip to flower pretty soon, at least i found mine pretty much flipped to flower with very little stretch as they had been stretching under glr, but you will easily fill the scrog, with plants that big it wont take long till your trimming it back to keep it under control.
do you know if anyone has used 11-13 for flower with the 11 hours been the lights off period and 13 hours on, i know plants will flower with as little as 14 hours of light so 13 hours of light should keep plants in flower, im just wondering if the extra hour of light would give the plant more time to flower or even reduce the flower period due to it getting an extra days worth of light every 12 days, i didnt know if this is something you had tried or knew anyone who had tried this,
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Well, you are partly right. I have grown from bean under 12/12, and I've found that seedlings will not flower until their genetics says to flower. After that, the only way to keep them in veg is 12-1 or any other Veg cycle.
I have also found that 12-1 should ONLY be used when preparing plants to go into flower, and should NOT be used for long-term vegetative growth, as in mothering plants. The average is about 9 months of healthy growth, and then, for some unknown reason, if kept longer than that, there will be a sharp decline, and eventually death of the plant. Learning this cost me a few rare strains, and was quite a blow, but with that lesson learned, I know now that for mothering it's 24/0 or 18/6 for me.
Clones taken from those mothers, can easily be kept in 12-1 for preparation for the Cardboard Flower Box. This is the system I use for any plant I put into the box. Cut from the mother, and root under 24/0. Once rooted, they go into 18/6 to veg-a-mite (hehe) for about 2 weeks, or so, depending on growth observed. Then it's down to 12-1 after that for about 4 weeks to get some good size and to build up a good amount of primordial flowers. After that they're held for at most 2 months under 12-1 and into the box they go.
Now as far as the 13/11(the first number when talking about light cycle (i.e. 18/6, 12/12, 11/13, etc...) is always the "ON" or "DAY" period), the added light will actually slow the transition into flower, and thus create lots of stretch, in my experience. I've also flowered under 11/13 and got pretty good results. Twelve12 flowered his perpetual SOG and breeding projects under 11/13 with fabulous results. I also did a flowering under 10/14 to see if the flowers have an increased resin production, but this added a grassy taste and alfalfa smell in all strains flowered that I can only assume was caused by reduced photosynthesis time leaving more raw nutrients in the plant... I just can't figure out why DLS doesn't do this as well. I guess that by diminishing the light, it is more natural and triggers something in the base genetics of cannabis, to take less nutrients, and to use what is already in the plant to create more resin, and 10/14 doesn't supply this trigger.
interesting, thanks for the info, i might give 11-13 a go next time round, i didnt know glr was not good long term but i dont plant on mothering a plant so id only be using it for 6 to 8 weeks at the most, ive been trying to find some side by side grows with glr and 18-6 to see if glr really does produce better results during veg,
some say it works well because it tricks the plant into thinking 24 hours is 2 days instead of 1, i tend to think that it tricks the plant into entering the rapid growth 12-12 starts but by giving 1 hour of light it actually prevents it from going into full flower, from my own experience when i grow plants under glr from seed they tend to show sex a lot sooner so thats why i got the impression the plants go into rapid growth to prepare and start flowering but they dont actually start flowering,
so 13-11 slows the start of flower, im glad someone knows something about this, 11-13 sounds interesting and worth trying, id just like to know more info on how it actually makes the plant react, do these plants flower better with more dark period like 11-13 or 12-12, i just wish i had room to do some side by side testing, so dls must work well due to the extra dark towards the end of flower,
lots of stuff to test and not enough grow rooms to do tests in, sorry for all the question but thought you are the man in the know,
ill reps you again when it lets me,
some say it works well because it tricks the plant into thinking 24 hours is 2 days instead of 1, i tend to think that it tricks the plant into entering the rapid growth 12-12 starts but by giving 1 hour of light it actually prevents it from going into full flower, from my own experience when i grow plants under glr from seed they tend to show sex a lot sooner so thats why i got the impression the plants go into rapid growth to prepare and start flowering but they dont actually start flowering,
so 13-11 slows the start of flower, im glad someone knows something about this, 11-13 sounds interesting and worth trying, id just like to know more info on how it actually makes the plant react, do these plants flower better with more dark period like 11-13 or 12-12, i just wish i had room to do some side by side testing, so dls must work well due to the extra dark towards the end of flower,
lots of stuff to test and not enough grow rooms to do tests in, sorry for all the question but thought you are the man in the know,
ill reps you again when it lets me,
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I love this journal... I often learn something new +reps Janre
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Cannabis needs 14.5 STRAIGHT hours of light to keep it in Veg, but this is because of the 9.5 hour length of the DARK period, and not because of the light... By using GLR you are tricking the plant into staying in veg by giving it no more than 5.5 hours of dark at a time, thus he 1 hour on halfway through the night. The 1 hour of light is enough to destroy the flowering hormone that builds up in the dark period. However, it builds to a critical point that send the plant into fast flower when switched to 12/12. Seedlings grown to FULL maturity will switch in days rather than weeks, thus reducing the stretch. HOWEVER... the seedling MUST be grown to full maturity or it just will not flower. it'll show sex, but flowering is another story.
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I love this journal... I often learn something new
Thank you!
A very good friedday to you Jandre
good info as usual
good info as usual
Yeah, we're planning on checking out the Olympia MMJ farmers market in the next couple of months. I just keep it put off a bit until we've got out tents and lights, because it'll be hard to not buy something and I tend to be the over-responsible one, i.e. "it would be a waste to go and buy stuff now when you have a tent and lights to purchase so you aren't forced to spend a lot of money at a dispensary each month", so we're waiting to check it out. I do think the concept is awesome though
We hit the regular farmers market a couple times a month or more for groceries.
There is an MMJ farmer's market in Olympia too? I know AK1 mentioned one, but I thought he was talking about the 2 in Seattle. That's the one I'm gonna go to in a couple weeks. Long f***ing drive for me, but it helps keep me under the radar locally.
My wife and I have noticed the same thing. We eat mostly fresh food prepared at home, so when we go out, we can really feel the difference. I've pretty much had to give up drinking a soda with a meal. Makes me ill everytime now! I ended up just giving up soda completely since I only drank one when we went out to eat anyway.
In my current crop, I ran at 13/11 for a short while 'on the way' to flowering. I didn't use GLR this round. I did 18/6 and then tapered down to 12/12 over the course of a couple weeks. That probably isn't really what you're asking though.
I do agree completely about waiting until at least 3-4 weeks of flower before starting to diminish the light. I actually don't even start that early. I won't start taking off light time until at least half way, ie ~5 weeks of 12/12, then start lowering it. This is just what "feels" right to me. It's sort of a compromise between maximizing the amount of light energy input for them to build with and simulating the change of seasons. I do like to make the plant think Winter is coming as I believe it, at the least, improves trichome/terpine/resin production, and seems to improve yield a little, but that could be cognitive dissonance.
So from the time you cut the clone, how long before you flower it? 8 weeks? hmmm... I think that's right about how long mine went. I thought I vegged too long, but maybe not.
Are you saying you don't go below 11/13? I reduce mine down to about 10/14 over the last 4-5 weeks. I've always been nervous about going lower as I become concerned about reducing the yield by not giving the plant enough energy. hmmmm. maybe I'll only go down to 11/13 this time and see what I think. Maybe 15 minutes shorter each week for 4 weeks.
I was going to say something similar. I'll just emphasize a couple of things you mentioned and add one small detail.
Many (perhaps most or all?) of the plants growth processes are controlled by hormones. These hormones react to environmental stimulus and this leads to the plant responding. One example is gravitropism. We see this when we bend and break plants to promote branching. The plant makes a growth inhibiting hormone at all active growth points. This hormone always travels down. This is why, if left to it's own devices, cannabis will form the classic christmas tree shape.
Flowering, in response to the change in light cycle, also happens due to hormones. In this case, the hormones are photosensitive. They decay when exposed to light. It takes ~12 hours of uninterrupted darkness for the flowering hormone(s) to reach the threshold that triggers the plant to shift to making flowers. So whenever I think about photoperiods, I care more about how long the dark cycle is.
Here is the way I explain it in my head... At each node, the plant is making new cells. Some are stem cells. Some are leaf cells. This happens at every node. What type of cell it grows into is controlled by hormones. I think this also where the flowering hormones are being created. When there is enough of the flowering hormone around, ie it's been dark for 12 hours, these flowering hormones are able to overpower the other influences telling what type of cell to create. Kinda like it's a factory that gets told what to make over a speaker system. They can't 'hear' the instruction to flower until it gets 'loud' enough.
GLR works because it doesn't allow that flowering hormone to build up to a high enough level. If it normally takes 12 straight hours to get to that threshold, GLR let's the plant to to that threshold minus however much of the hormones decay in an hour. It's essentially a 13/11 schedule, but by moving one hour to the middle of the dark period, you can keep the plant in veg more reliably. In theory you could put a couple half hours in there, or put the hour a couple hours in or a couple before they wake up. All I think that matters is you don't allow 12 hours of uninterrupted darkness. I think the 12/1 GLR schedule came out of a compromise between power savings and hindering growth rates. It's also very easy to visualize the schedule by looking at the type of timers most of us use.
Sorry for rambling on Jandre
I learn a lot on your journals.
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Oh, no, no, no! I go very much below that! I start at 12/12 and end up toward the end of flower at 9/15. That is the Diminishing Light Cycle. What I was saying above is that the 11/13 cycle works VERY well for a Perpetual SOG type grow where there are plants constantly rotating in and out, and a diminishing cycle would not work very well for the newer plants coming into the mix.
I was going to say something similar. I'll just emphasize a couple of things you mentioned and add one small detail.
Many (perhaps most or all?) of the plants growth processes are controlled by hormones. These hormones react to environmental stimulus and this leads to the plant responding. One example is gravitropism. We see this when we bend and break plants to promote branching. The plant makes a growth inhibiting hormone at all active growth points. This hormone always travels down. This is why, if left to it's own devices, cannabis will form the classic christmas tree shape.
Flowering, in response to the change in light cycle, also happens due to hormones. In this case, the hormones are photosensitive. They decay when exposed to light. It takes ~12 hours of uninterrupted darkness for the flowering hormone(s) to reach the threshold that triggers the plant to shift to making flowers. So whenever I think about photoperiods, I care more about how long the dark cycle is.
Here is the way I explain it in my head... At each node, the plant is making new cells. Some are stem cells. Some are leaf cells. This happens at every node. What type of cell it grows into is controlled by hormones. I think this also where the flowering hormones are being created. When there is enough of the flowering hormone around, ie it's been dark for 12 hours, these flowering hormones are able to overpower the other influences telling what type of cell to create. Kinda like it's a factory that gets told what to make over a speaker system. They can't 'hear' the instruction to flower until it gets 'loud' enough.
GLR works because it doesn't allow that flowering hormone to build up to a high enough level. If it normally takes 12 straight hours to get to that threshold, GLR let's the plant to to that threshold minus however much of the hormones decay in an hour. It's essentially a 13/11 schedule, but by moving one hour to the middle of the dark period, you can keep the plant in veg more reliably. In theory you could put a couple half hours in there, or put the hour a couple hours in or a couple before they wake up. All I think that matters is you don't allow 12 hours of uninterrupted darkness. I think the 12/1 GLR schedule came out of a compromise between power savings and hindering growth rates. It's also very easy to visualize the schedule by looking at the type of timers most of us use.
Sorry for rambling on Jandre
I learn a lot on your journals.
I was just explaining this very thing in a PM! Thank you for also posting it here. And +rep for your input!
Lemme correct one detail If I may, though... It can take as little as 10 hours of dark for the hormones to build to the point that makes the shift in the plant. With the lights on for that our in the dark, it destroys what was there, and basically resets the plant back to 0 (plus a fraction unknown to me at this point), and then the lights go off again letting it rest for another 5.5 hours.
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Hiker - Yep, there's one in Olympia, Tacoma and I beliew Vancouver as well. The guy who runs the collective I go through most of the time (he has blonde kief and cannaoil, so until I harvest a few times, I need them for cooking) used to do the MMJ Farmers Markets when he lived in Olympia (any of the places that have the markets are at least 3 hour drives for us. I guess we could ferry it to Seattle in about 2 - 2 1/2 but those aren't quick trips) ... ok anyway, when he lived in Olympia he did the markets. He said the Tacoma one and one of the ones in Seattle had gotten sketchy and sometimes downright seedy at times. He said the others are still worth a visit, so we will check out the Olympia one in a couple months I think.
I don't do soda either unless I'm sick, then it's the gingerale and lemon lime types, but yeah, I feel like crap if they're not all natural, like from the farmers markets and organic stores. Even then, I rarely can stand them... just too sweet... It's like the medicated sodas from the dispensaries around here, if they didn't have all the synthetic crap and high fructose corn syrup, I'd like them more, but I shouldn't feel like I'm vibrating like a 2 year old having a sugar rush after eating a family pack of pixie sticks when I drink a CANNA-COLA that's supposed to make me relax, lol.
Jandre and Hiker - I love it when y'all get geeky about the plants, means I get to learn something new or at least get a new point of view on a topic and therefore learn another way of looking at something, which I always consider valuable. Thanks guys
I don't do soda either unless I'm sick, then it's the gingerale and lemon lime types, but yeah, I feel like crap if they're not all natural, like from the farmers markets and organic stores. Even then, I rarely can stand them... just too sweet... It's like the medicated sodas from the dispensaries around here, if they didn't have all the synthetic crap and high fructose corn syrup, I'd like them more, but I shouldn't feel like I'm vibrating like a 2 year old having a sugar rush after eating a family pack of pixie sticks when I drink a CANNA-COLA that's supposed to make me relax, lol.
Jandre and Hiker - I love it when y'all get geeky about the plants, means I get to learn something new or at least get a new point of view on a topic and therefore learn another way of looking at something, which I always consider valuable.
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Okay guys... I was talking to someone in a PM and explaining some things about 24/0 vs. 12-1(GLR) and this is the first time I've been able to fully put my thoughts onto paper so well, so I'm gonna copy/paste it here for all to see, and hopefully understand why GLR works so damn well for vegetative growth and preparation for flower. Please note that IT IT NOT HEALTHY FOR LONG-TERM MOTHER MAINTENANCE! That amount of flowering hormone constantly built up in a mothered plant, eventually leads to total necrosis, and loss of the entire plant altogether.
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Autos benefit from every amount of light you can give them. They don't even seem to have a "rest period" like their non-ruderalis cousins. So 24/0 would seem to be best for them. However, for the photo-type plants, they *DO* have, and need a rest period. It is most healthy for the plant to be in darkness when the rest period begins. Thus the more darkness you can give them the better. With the GLR schedule, the plant gets 11 hours with which to go into and out of their rest period in darkness. Even if the light comes on during this 4-hour period, it doesn't seem to harm the plant in the least.
To better explain what I'm talking about, I will say this:
Plants have normal Day/Night processes that they perform... when the Sun is up, they devote most of that time to photosynthesis, converting radiant energy from the Sun into chemical energy for storage within the plants tissues... Now, when the Sun goes down, they can use all that stored energy, to grow new cells both above and below the soil, and make repairs to any damage they have received. It is best not to have light on the leaves to detract from this process, because when this happens, growth can slow, and repairs are made much slower, because the day process can start up, or in the case of 24/0, never cease, and plants are not the best multi-taskers in this respect. Now, after the night process is complete, the plant will go into a rest period. This can be observed as a partial wilting, or drooping of the leaves, and usually happens on a 24 hour cycle. Light on the leaves can cause this rest period to be cut short, or not exist at all.
In humans this is known as sleep deprivation. For one day, or two, it's not all that harmful, but the human can be moody, and somewhat lethargic. Over a week, lack of sleep can start to cause physiological, and mental changes that are more serious. Delirium, psychosis, and hallucinations have been observed as effects in the mind. What happens in the body can be deadly as organs start to shut down. Kidney and liver function are first affected, and you know what happens when those two organs shut down.
Plants, while not as complex, and lacking a brain and organs of an animal, do have their own organs, and still suffer from lack of their rest period. Given an extended period of time, although in plants it's much longer, they will start to show more, and more serious effects of lack of darkness for their rest period. Some studies have even shown a complete cessation of growth, and even death of the plant altogether after a long period of time. It just gives out and shuts down.
Now, the good news is that it takes about 1.5 to 2 hours to shift from night process and/or rest period into the day process. The 1 hour of light in the middle of the dark period is not enough to rouse the plant into day operations, but it is enough to break the flower cycle by destroying the hormone responsible. This gives the plant 12 hours for day process, and 12 hours for night process, and for the rest period. This results in a much more healthy plant, and we all know a healthy plant is a rapidly growing plant.
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Autos benefit from every amount of light you can give them. They don't even seem to have a "rest period" like their non-ruderalis cousins. So 24/0 would seem to be best for them. However, for the photo-type plants, they *DO* have, and need a rest period. It is most healthy for the plant to be in darkness when the rest period begins. Thus the more darkness you can give them the better. With the GLR schedule, the plant gets 11 hours with which to go into and out of their rest period in darkness. Even if the light comes on during this 4-hour period, it doesn't seem to harm the plant in the least.
To better explain what I'm talking about, I will say this:
Plants have normal Day/Night processes that they perform... when the Sun is up, they devote most of that time to photosynthesis, converting radiant energy from the Sun into chemical energy for storage within the plants tissues... Now, when the Sun goes down, they can use all that stored energy, to grow new cells both above and below the soil, and make repairs to any damage they have received. It is best not to have light on the leaves to detract from this process, because when this happens, growth can slow, and repairs are made much slower, because the day process can start up, or in the case of 24/0, never cease, and plants are not the best multi-taskers in this respect. Now, after the night process is complete, the plant will go into a rest period. This can be observed as a partial wilting, or drooping of the leaves, and usually happens on a 24 hour cycle. Light on the leaves can cause this rest period to be cut short, or not exist at all.
In humans this is known as sleep deprivation. For one day, or two, it's not all that harmful, but the human can be moody, and somewhat lethargic. Over a week, lack of sleep can start to cause physiological, and mental changes that are more serious. Delirium, psychosis, and hallucinations have been observed as effects in the mind. What happens in the body can be deadly as organs start to shut down. Kidney and liver function are first affected, and you know what happens when those two organs shut down.
Plants, while not as complex, and lacking a brain and organs of an animal, do have their own organs, and still suffer from lack of their rest period. Given an extended period of time, although in plants it's much longer, they will start to show more, and more serious effects of lack of darkness for their rest period. Some studies have even shown a complete cessation of growth, and even death of the plant altogether after a long period of time. It just gives out and shuts down.
Now, the good news is that it takes about 1.5 to 2 hours to shift from night process and/or rest period into the day process. The 1 hour of light in the middle of the dark period is not enough to rouse the plant into day operations, but it is enough to break the flower cycle by destroying the hormone responsible. This gives the plant 12 hours for day process, and 12 hours for night process, and for the rest period. This results in a much more healthy plant, and we all know a healthy plant is a rapidly growing plant.
it was me jandre was speaking with via pm, i sent him a msg because i have used glr in the past and got great results, so this time round i was thinking about giving 24-0 a try for veg, so i spent about a week using google researching 24-0 vs glr, now growers like jorge cervantes say their a c4 plant and can grow constant with no dark period, now i thought this was wrong because no plant in nature gets 24 hours of light, well none that i know of,
but i was unsure, so asked jandre and he provided me with the statement above which explained it all, i just wish id of asked him sooner instead of reading all the different oppinions on the net, some was arguing that they dont need dark and 24-0 will give the plants the most growth, others said 24-0 is no good as plants send energy back down to the roots during the dark, now i know from my own experience that when i was vegging my plants under 20-4 and i had a power cut of over 24 hours, when the lights came back on my plants grew more in that dark period than they had in a week, so clearing 20-4 was stressing them enough to slow growth, the plants loved the 24 hours of dark and it shows,
so jandre cleared a hell of a lot up, i was going to give 24-0 a try but its a lot more electric, plants do need dark periods, the more root mass they got the more nutrients the plant can take in, plus its like trees the more roots the bigger the plant, if you grow a plant in a small pot then you wont have a huge bushy plant, i know i tried it, i kept a plant in half a 2ltr pop bottle and left it in veg, the plant didnt have much side growth it just got taller,
so plants need dark, so from now on im using glr, i had great results in the past using glr so ill go with it again this time round,
can someone reps jandre for taking the time to respond to my quetions and taking the time to post his info in his journal for us all to see, i cant reps him as it wont let me for a couple of days,
thanks jandre you a top bloke, really sorted my concerns out,
@jandre, would you mind if a copy n paste that and add the info into my signature so others growers can click on it and read, id like to keep it as refrence for when i speak with others or come across members who are asking similar questions, or even post it as a link in your signature, its just so i can point people in the right direction to get the correct info, it took me over a week to come up with nothing and you gave me the best answer and you explain it so its very easy to understand,
but i was unsure, so asked jandre and he provided me with the statement above which explained it all, i just wish id of asked him sooner instead of reading all the different oppinions on the net, some was arguing that they dont need dark and 24-0 will give the plants the most growth, others said 24-0 is no good as plants send energy back down to the roots during the dark, now i know from my own experience that when i was vegging my plants under 20-4 and i had a power cut of over 24 hours, when the lights came back on my plants grew more in that dark period than they had in a week, so clearing 20-4 was stressing them enough to slow growth, the plants loved the 24 hours of dark and it shows,
so jandre cleared a hell of a lot up, i was going to give 24-0 a try but its a lot more electric, plants do need dark periods, the more root mass they got the more nutrients the plant can take in, plus its like trees the more roots the bigger the plant, if you grow a plant in a small pot then you wont have a huge bushy plant, i know i tried it, i kept a plant in half a 2ltr pop bottle and left it in veg, the plant didnt have much side growth it just got taller,
so plants need dark, so from now on im using glr, i had great results in the past using glr so ill go with it again this time round,
can someone reps jandre for taking the time to respond to my quetions and taking the time to post his info in his journal for us all to see, i cant reps him as it wont let me for a couple of days,
thanks jandre you a top bloke, really sorted my concerns out,
@jandre, would you mind if a copy n paste that and add the info into my signature so others growers can click on it and read, id like to keep it as refrence for when i speak with others or come across members who are asking similar questions, or even post it as a link in your signature, its just so i can point people in the right direction to get the correct info, it took me over a week to come up with nothing and you gave me the best answer and you explain it so its very easy to understand,
gotcha covered, reps away!!!
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Hey guys, thanks for the rep! And don, you can click the link at the bottom of any post that says "Blog this Post" and I don't care how much you blog my posts for later reference, lol.
cool thanks jandre, its just the best info ive come across that explains as much as it does in the best way possible, ive read so much over the last few weeks but you rounded it all up, so anyone interested in glr can have a read and see if they want to try it,
their are many people a bit confused about its benefits,
their are many people a bit confused about its benefits,
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