DV8's Deviance

[Papa OG]

My poor old Blueberry has taken a real beating, and shuffling to the line.

Honestly she could have been anything given her veg, sadly shes been steadily destroyed at my hand.

Her offspring gives me 10x the hope.

Found more mites near her bottom growth. I really cant wait to clear her out and try and put the problem to rest.

The other 2 flower girls started eating up their lowers again. Cant help but observe it seems to be appearing in a number of places I go to look at here.

Not sure it makes me feel better though.

They are only 3 weeks in to a 10 week period which is concerning, as the rate they are dropping leaves they wont make that timeline.

Might be a little late to correct fully, gonna try a higher N mix feed in their watering next.

For the clone the couple changes needed I think are running a veg feed longer, and adding in some higher N ammendment on the uppot.

The only other thing can think of is giving a few epsom salts to correct a lockout.

Id really like to solve both the mites and Nitrogen problem, be nice to see a smooth consistent grow or 2.

Even with the beating your plant is still beautiful and producing. Issues come and go, it's what you learn from it. F them mites. You got this. Your next grow will be easier!

 

[DV8]

Even with the beating your plant is still beautiful and producing.

Well thanks mate. Its easy to be disenchanted when I feel like I let her down, snapping and overdosing her.

Issues come and go, it's what you learn from it. F them mites. You got this. Your next grow will be easier!

Appreciate the encouragement and the optimism, its timely.

 

[Trala]

Well thanks mate. Its easy to be disenchanted when I feel like I let her down, snapping and overdosing her.

Appreciate the encouragement and the optimism, its timely.

Yeah nah.

You fucked it mate.

You fucked bad. In fact you fucked it worse that Harvey Weinstein on viagra. If there was such a thing as a You Fucked It award, you’d win 1st, 2nd and 3rd prize.

 

[Carcass]

Hard to follow a 'strayan pep talk like that, but I'll give it a try...

Its easy to be disenchanted when I feel like I let her down

Hell, Deeve, we've all done it-(maybe not all of us, but I sure have) this was my Northern Lights a couple years ago:

Pretty sure that was a potassium or phosphorous overdose...probably both...
They like their bloom nutes, but they're quick to let you know they don't like them that much!


The smoke was great, though

 

[DV8]

Yeah nah.

You fucked it mate.

Really?

You fucked bad. In fact you fucked it worse that Harvey Weinstein on viagra. If there was such a thing as a You Fucked It award, you’d win 1st, 2nd and 3rd prize.

Youve seriously hurt my feelings.
I cannot believe someone could be so insensitive and horrible.

JK.

Not bad for someone who dismembers her plants and pretends its an accident for sympathy. Thats borderline psychotic, and Im worried for your coworkers and patients.

And besides, what sort of mong watches me dose my plant to the point of posioning it, then decides to do exactly the same thing?!
A crazy one.

Good day lady.

But also, where do I accept this award/s? I have a speech prepared.

Hard to follow a 'strayan pep talk like that, but I'll give it a try...

Hell, Deeve, we've all done it-(maybe not all of us, but I sure have) this was my Northern Lights a couple years ago:

Pretty sure that was a potassium or phosphorous overdose...probably both...
They like their bloom nutes, but they're quick to let you know they don't like them that much!

Looks very familiar haha.
All I can do is try and learn from it I guess.

The smoke was great, though

Definitely gives me hope.

 

[DV8]

Righto got a few minutes to get an update in.

BB is just continuing to look all sorts of wretched, not helped in me delaying her watering for as long as possible.

Theres some ambers here and there on her sugar leaves so 60 days is probably still target. 2 weeks more is doable in guilt.

Thank goodness my human children arent hideous, as I can't mask my disappointment.

The Barneys flower girls make up for it for now. The photo WZ is devine, and stacking nicely. She deserved her own tent and light. Thinking of monstercropping a clone, Id love one more shot at her, low, wide, big pot.

Shes girthy at her base, easily the most solid indoor girl Ive had. Everything Id like in a plant structure wise she has in her traits.

The Auto is ticking along. Im hoping she has a big flower push, for whatever reason her budsites arent great so far.

The BB clone is looking like it needs a bit of room to get going, and Runtz Muffin is up and leggy.

The new journal is still in hurry up and wait mode, no matter, seems Ill have the star of the show ready when the sponsor is.

Have a couple days of, better part of 4, its going to be hot ( 40C/100F +), but Im building the new room. 3 tents, room for clone tent and possibly the fridge.

Might yet fit a dedicated AC, but get the structure up and filled in first.

If I can get it right growing should be way more satisfying.

 

[Stunger]

Have a couple days of, better part of 4, its going to be hot ( 40C/100F +), but Im building the new room. 3 tents, room for clone tent and possibly the fridge.

Wow Deeve, you're really going for it!

 

[DV8]

Wow Deeve, you're really going for it!

Heres hoping it works out.

On one side Im very organised, structured, and measured.

On the other Im my old man who puts up a temporary clothesline out of landfill timbers and still uses it falling down 35 years later.

Like for example almost everything I have is in boxes in my shed. But they are odd sizes, stacked on mismatched shelving and I need to shift 3 things to get to the one I want.

The reason I say this is I couldn't get what I wanted for the original build, so I made do, and its too narrow, too low, and will be a real pita to pull apart.

Now months later I have the right materials, so its time to do it the right way, lest I spend 35 years squeezing past tents and crouching to water plants....

 

[Stunger]

Heres hoping it works out.

On one side Im very organised, structured, and measured.

On the other Im my old man who puts up a temporary clothesline out of landfill timbers and still uses it falling down 35 years later.

Like for example almost everything I have is in boxes in my shed. But they are odd sizes, stacked on mismatched shelving and I need to shift 3 things to get to the one I want.

The reason I say this is I couldn't get what I wanted for the original build, so I made do, and its too narrow, too low, and will be a real pita to pull apart.

Now months later I have the right materials, so its time to do it the right way, lest I spend 35 years squeezing past tents and crouching to water plants....

I'm with you on that.

I spent most of my life feeling like I have forever in front of me and mostly being too cautious on the tools and stuff I bought which then craps out and leaves me asking why the hell didn't I buy right in the first place.

So lately I got a nice pair of secateurs and nice arborist saw which will 'see me out', and I'll probably do the same with an upgraded fishing kit soon too.

Garden wise, I wish I had planned some land years ago and set up a well thought out garden that I could be reaping the benefits of now. The other thing with doing things right, is whatever they are, you tend use them more often because good well planned stuff is easy and great to use.

Your plans ahead sound great!

 

[Trala]

Like for example almost everything I have is in boxes in my shed. But they are odd sizes, stacked on mismatched shelving and I need to shift 3 things to get to the one I want.

Oh sweet mother of God!

Clutching. My. Pearlssssss!!!

Well after reading that horror story, there’s no way I’m sleeping tonight. And you even tainted my favourite number! Bringing 3 into your sick demented mismatched boxing eye torturefest.

Not sure how things are going in your marriage, but if you are having trouble, it’s defs you.

Oh and reported.

 

[DV8]

Not sure how things are going in your marriage, but if you are having trouble, it’s defs you.

Lolling. Its always me.

 

[DV8]

So construction started meaning I had to duckshove everything into the tighest spaces.

Poor BB is just slowly dying. She took up another lethal dose in her watering.

If she didnt seem so far away from best practice chop I would put her out of her misery.

She's down to a handful of useful fans.

Barneys girls looked good. I brushed up on them yesterday shifting them, even my cat loved the smell.

Heres the WZ bud, and her bottom I was referring to earlier.

The Runtz is firing. As soon as I can Ill get her in a big pot. Starting her in the grow media seems to have been a success.

Here she is with her tent sibling. Its hot so Im just making sure nothing dies, they dont need to thrive, just survive.

Thanks for stopping by.

 

[DV8]

Man its been a long couple of days.

About half way through I flirted with the idea to cut a few corners. In the end I just made the effort.

Its not the most amazing room ever built, will do the job though.

Few little things need finishing off build wise however the girls had to move in today for a couple of reasons.

They are all suffering, lack of water and yellowing but immediate concern had to take a back seat to long term plan.

Tents are a bit out of order and theres cords draped over everything, still the wheeled platforms I made will sort them out nice and easy.

Reached the uppot stage with the veg girls, in fact overdue.

BB is just not getting with the program.

On the plus side the bigger tent I have can go up in the next couple days, and when BB goes fingers crossed the mites do too.

Im excited sitting on the cusp of having the room and tent setups needed for a decent perpetual grow.

 

[DV8]

Not much pretty there feels like Ive slid off a cliff, stuck between under and overfed.

 

[Trala]

Can you get a pic in natural light?

 

[DV8]

Can you get a pic in natural light?

This arvo I can.

Its true, those lights tend to make them more yellow and limey than they are, but they are still yellow and limey haha.

 

[DV8]

I did get curious today while they were out.

I started to wonder if it might be an Mg symptom, or more correctly, an Mg problem linked with an N issue.

Somewhere in brain I think I remember seeing red stems is Mg, and that low Mg can cause issues with N uptake. Maybe Im way off or the other way around.

I definitely have red stems.

Ive never had to diagnose it before, could be deficiency or saturation of something, Im just fumbling here.

The mid leaves look more like N def , some lowers like Mg def or K+.

This is all exacerbated by hot hot weather, and them pumping through the water uptake.

I think if they were closer to 20C for 12 hours rather than 35-38C, the advance might have been slower.

Whatever it is the girls arent happy.

Ill keep tweaking till something sticks.

I know with my tomatoes fading from bottoms up its blood and bone first, then if that doesnt help, Epsom salts.

Whatever is going on its not only embarrassing, but frustrating.

I did take heart though, the WZ is a beautiful smell, a sweet watermelon, almost citrus mixed with a hint of pepper, which smells far better than it sounds!

I know a very similar smell but cant put my finger on it just yet.

 

[DV8]

Went to the shop today and walked out a little poorer.

I think I need to learn to shop online! My favourite purchases today were two little square pots, I really like them, and a 40x loupe to use instead of my 10x.

The Runtz is still waiting on a dedicated journal day.

She needs an uppot, might throw her in one of the new pots in some ammended medium.

In fact Im thinking of running her on an entirely different line of product for fertigation.

Im having my heart broken too much to trust the current process, picked up an ec meter as its hard to trust the reliability of my old one.

Had hoped to have ironed out the problems by now, but thats growing for you. Triumph and heartache are only ever just around the corner.

 

[Stunger]

I did get curious today while they were out.

I started to wonder if it might be an Mg symptom, or more correctly, an Mg problem linked with an N issue.

Somewhere in brain I think I remember seeing red stems is Mg, and that low Mg can cause issues with N uptake. Maybe Im way off or the other way around.

I definitely have red stems.

Ive never had to diagnose it before, could be deficiency or saturation of something, Im just fumbling here.

The mid leaves look more like N def , some lowers like Mg def or K+.

I guess the hot weather is a big stress factor affecting the plants. I don't have any expertise in 'fixing' nutrient problems. But your yellowing looks the same as what my current plants have been getting. I don't have bad heat, but mine have been vegging for a long time which I think starts to cause issues too as I have pretty much relied upon the soil.

I read recently that when Ca is deficient that Mg and N can tend to bind up, i.e. there's plenty there but its not available. Anyway, I made a homemade Calcium solution and I tried that, and I also had gave each plant 1/3 tsp of Mg a couple of weeks previous. I also gave them liquified Worm Castings for the Ca content too, but it still didn't make any difference that I could see.

When I referred to the Deficiency charts, it seems mine is N deficient. I looked again now comparing with your's, and to me your's look the same, N deficient too, I couldn't see Mg as an issue when I compared to the charts that I got with google. Previously I would have just given 1/2 - 1 cup of Blood and Bone and that would sort it.

For mine I recently gave a top dressing of the organic nutrient blend that I am trying this season, they say to top dress every 2-3 weeks which I hadn't been doing as I was concerned it may be too much if my soil already had lots of amendments. But this last top dressing I also gave 1/4 cup of Blood n Bone. It seems to have helped, I might add some Blood n Bone next top dressing too.

I like the nutrients that you have to leave in the soil to cook, as then if worms like it the chances are the plants will too. If you take this being an issue of N or Mg or ?, this sort of problem scares me because if you make the wrong pick you could really send the plant out of whack. Good luck with yours, I'll be interested to see what you do.

 

[DV8]

I read recently that when Ca is deficient that Mg and N can tend to bind up.

Well that is interesting.

But this last top dressing I also gave 1/4 cup of Blood n Bone. It seems to have helped, I might add some Blood n Bone next top dressing too.

So just to clarify that was half a cup as a standard measurement to approx 50L?

I like the nutrients that you have to leave in the soil to cook, as then if worms like it the chances are the plants will too.

Thats the easiest but slowest method, so probably the safest.

When I do finally figure it out it will be my preference.

If you take this being an issue of N or Mg or ?

Ill try breaking it down.

I think its an N issue.

Red stems and some of the lower yellowing patterns make me think it might also be a bit of an Mg problem on top.

I use a media that has input salready in it, Canna Terra. Tra uses the same.
I also use a part A veg top fed granular.
Then a part B flower top fed granular.

It seems to start yellowing at post flip, this has happened to 3 now.

The 3 differences between hers (which have never yellowed) are water PH, additional blood and bone, and the use of a calmag after she had a bit of spotting.

Ive adjusted PH. My water was coming out at 7s. How much that plays a part is hard to say, I think it should buffer, but I tried anyway.

Then I put a veg mix in with a higher N ratio at about 1/3 strength.

Neither fixed it.

Im hesitant to really give it a liquid Blood and Bone, or dry ammend as it might solve one problem but create another. I say that as each is adding P, K, and trace on top of whats available.

My next try is a Ca + N mix at 1/3 strength. Which goes back to your Calcium observation. Could it be that simple?

I would have started with that had I had it on hand.

The hardest part is the recommended application of the top dress. Its pretty vague. It could be entirely be just an underfed issue. Been hesitant since day 1 not to give too much as its better to be underfed and correct than crash them, just like my BB. You can see the difference within a day or 2 after application, its relatively fast.

Its definitely in the red zone time to figure it out though. No way will they go the distance given how advanced it is.