DV8's Deviance

[Stunger]

Well that is interesting.

This is what I read, a cut n paste of what Gee64 posted on Calcium

Its more than a nutrient. In living soil its the main ingredient as it sets the colloidal charge to fill the colloidal plates with the proper ratio of all nutrients (aka organic chelation, but as nature designed it, not General Hydroponics, FoxFarms, etc..) so if its low, then your soil kitchen isn't able to properly load those plates and what does get loaded can and will get locked out as the charge isn't correct so nutrients stick to each other.

Different foods get locked out depending on how low it is.

PH is what allows cec to release the nutes from the plates. Different nutes swap out with hydrogen at different ph's and fall off the plate (become available, no longer locked out).

Thats why Cal-Mag is such a good rescue tool. It corrects the chelation and it also neutralizes magnesium back to its needed electrical state.

When calcium gets low in the soil the cal to mag ratio gets out of whack.

Magnesium starts to get electrically sticky and ties up other nutrients. It likes nitrogen the most so low cal in living soil usually shows as a nitro def 1st.

Calcium also, by using its double positive charge, which makes it your strongest electrolyte, sets the floculation of your soil.

Think of your soil particles as dinner plates stacked in the cupboard and held together by magnetism. Changing the charge with calcium changes that magnetism.

When you hold 2 magnets together they stick. Turn one around and they repel but spin around and stick by their own means.

When Calcium corrects the electricity in the soil structure it changes the polarities in the particles and every 2nd plate in the stack stands on edge forming I-beam structures in the soil particles that become hallways for air,water,microbes fungi... you get the picture.

So just to clarify that was half a cup as a standard measurement to approx 50L?

That particular grow was 1/2 cup to a 30L pot and it worked a treat.

On my current grow, I recently gave 1/8 cup to a plant in a 30L pot because its yellowing was fairly minor. But the other 2 which were showing yellowing a bit worse are both in 50L pots, for them I gave 3 tablespoons to one, and 4 to the other (1/4 cup).

Then I put a veg mix in with a higher N ratio at about 1/3 strength.

Neither fixed it.

Im hesitant to really give it a liquid Blood and Bone, or dry ammend as it might solve one problem but create another. I say that as each is adding P, K, and trace on top of whats available.

My next try is a Ca + N mix at 1/3 strength. Which goes back to your Calcium observation. Could it be that simple?

I would have started with that had I had it on hand.

The hardest part is the recommended application of the top dress. Its pretty vague. It could be entirely be just an underfed issue. Been hesitant since day 1 not to give too much as its better to be underfed and correct than crash them, just like my BB. You can see the difference within a day or 2 after application, its relatively fast.

I am totally with you on the concern of trying to correct it and creating a risk of making it worse.

 

[DV8]

Thanks @Stunger, its a wee bit over my full grasp of knowledge how the mechanism or process works, yet still makes sense.

Perhaps in full context I could interpret it correctly as intended.

If the N + Ca chelated (ie bottled) nute mix doesnt fix it Ill just have to live with the result.

The WZ buds are pretty, kinda frosty and well formed, as well as throughout the cola vertically. So the buds side is great, structurally ok, if I can stop her eating herself it should be a half decent plant.

Im almost tempted to push her too green, and do the same to the BB clone.

If the N + Ca doesnt help the WZ Ill just give the clone a bottled blood and bone and nurse her through flower with a bottled PK instead of bloom nutes. Ill also try a monster cropped clone of the WZ and have a tweak.

The Runtz is slated to go a different soluble nute.

Im running a bit gun shy at the moment but I have enough genetics to fuck around experimenting in the background.

So far Ive only learnt what is not helping.

Ive been hesitant to ask for help as you get 50 answers from different angles. Im sure Ill figure it out or live with the result knowing I did it if I muddle through.

 

[Stunger]

Ive been hesitant to ask for help as you get 50 answers from different angles. Im sure Ill figure it out or live with the result knowing I did it if I muddle through.

Yes exactly, that's the problem, suddenly you're no longer in control and potentially everyone on the panel is telling you to do something different. Altho, I found that Ca/N/Mg cation explanation very interesting.

 

[DV8]

Well its done.

Now we wait, for better, worse or the same.

Got BB clone and the Runtz Muffin uppotted, trouble is I whizz around so fast and get lost in the task I forget to take pictures for here, but odd shit ones for me haha.

Anyhow here we go, when I remembered.

Both got square pots. I keep thinking, noone uses square much, perhaps Ill find out why.

Ill just throw in a few random bud pics instead of waffling on endlessly.

Still no word from sponsor......but the equipment is doing a great job. I can use it, just not talk about it.

Anyhow gonna try jam a few more things in before daylight ceases and Im looking at another one of these....

Cheers.

 

[Trala]

I did get curious today while they were out.

I started to wonder if it might be an Mg symptom, or more correctly, an Mg problem linked with an N issue.

Somewhere in brain I think I remember seeing red stems is Mg, and that low Mg can cause issues with N uptake. Maybe Im way off or the other way around.

I definitely have red stems.

Ive never had to diagnose it before, could be deficiency or saturation of something, Im just fumbling here.

The mid leaves look more like N def , some lowers like Mg def or K+.

This is all exacerbated by hot hot weather, and them pumping through the water uptake.

I think if they were closer to 20C for 12 hours rather than 35-38C, the advance might have been slower.

Whatever it is the girls arent happy.

Ill keep tweaking till something sticks.

I know with my tomatoes fading from bottoms up its blood and bone first, then if that doesnt help, Epsom salts.

Whatever is going on its not only embarrassing, but frustrating.

I did take heart though, the WZ is a beautiful smell, a sweet watermelon, almost citrus mixed with a hint of pepper, which smells far better than it sounds!

I know a very similar smell but cant put my finger on it just yet.

First thing I’d be doing is giving her a defol. That bikini line is fucking hideous! Lol

 

[Trala]

Well its done.

Now we wait, for better, worse or the same.

Got BB clone and the Runtz Muffin uppotted, trouble is I whizz around so fast and get lost in the task I forget to take pictures for here, but odd shit ones for me haha.

Anyhow here we go, when I remembered.

Both got square pots. I keep thinking, noone uses square much, perhaps Ill find out why.

Ill just throw in a few random bud pics instead of waffling on endlessly.

Still no word from sponsor......but the equipment is doing a great job. I can use it, just not talk about it.

Anyhow gonna try jam a few more things in before daylight ceases and Im looking at another one of these....

Cheers.

Little Miss Squarepot is a nice healthy looking plant.

You’re becoming a man me. Veg like a Viking and flower like a Fucktard.

 

[DV8]

She ugly but you cant touch her buds without getting sticky fingers.

I have 4 plants, one seedling and 3 tents. I think her day is coming. Theres no redeeming reason to keep her going past now.

Heres her final shots.

Hoping to salvage something.

She was so full of potential....

 

[Stunger]

She ugly but you cant touch her buds without getting sticky fingers.

I have 4 plants, one seedling and 3 tents. I think her day is coming. Theres no redeeming reason to keep her going past now.

Heres her final shots.

Hoping to salvage something.

She was so full of potential....

Looks like just one cola went necrotic and a bit of another, but the rest looks very good. Ok the leaves might not be primo but who cares at harvest point. Should turn out to be something to enjoy I reckon.

 

[DV8]

Looks like just one cola went necrotic and a bit of another, but the rest looks very good.

Actually it was surprisingly good overall, you were right mate.

Ok the leaves might not be primo but who cares at harvest point.

Agreed, although it was a pita to trim some of it. So sticky. Just had dead trim sticking to the buds.

Once I figured out plucking most of off with my hands first it wasnt that much worse than normal.

Should turn out to be something to enjoy I reckon.

We shall see mate, 10 to 14 days.

The wet weight went a little bit higher than I first thought, but still on the low side.

I probably lost a good ounce or more in those mains snapping.

Rough calculations have me around the 2oz dry mark, but its always hard to predict.

They were quite dense in the mains, and there was a fair bit of smaller bud on the lowers.

It was heavy in the smell though, strickly speaking I think it was BB with a Cheese cross, and theres really nothing sweet about her trim notes, so she either went a bit more Cheese or the overdosing made her more rancid, hard edged.

Didnt get pics, was too focused on containing as many fans and sugars as possible into a plastic trim bag to catch the mites.

Mrs DV8 turned to me post trim and said plainly " You stink!" and I already knew I would be covered in it thick.

All in all just nice to see her down and bagged for drying. While not a "Success" getting her to chop is a result.

Let the next phase begin! Im tempted to throw another seed in during the coming week, and monstercrop a clone from the WZ and take my chances.

New (old) tent up by this weekend. Can fit the 120 x 120 (4×4ft) now in that space, up from current largest at 80 x 80 that the BB just came out of.

My girls deserve it. I want those low, fat and wide plants Ive been dreaming about since I got the shed.

 

[DV8]

Bit early to tell today but I feel like the flower girls didnt get any worse.

The photo WZ has at least 5 weeks to run, fingers crossed she can stay idle in the yellowing, she has such nice early development.

 

[DV8]

Got sruck in and sprayed all my edges on the shed and inside growing room floor with barrier spray.

While the two plant tents were zipped up wiped over BBs flower tent. Ill give it one more go tomorrow with isopropyl and then also all the equipment.

From there Ill leave it idle for a couple days and cleanse once more before utilizing.

From there I think Ill flip the BB clone.

So hard not to shift the auto in there, my heart says do it, but my head says break the cycle.

While I wait I have a smaller tent might put Runtz in, while she moves from seedling to vegging, and bunk her with a WZ monstercrop clone and a new seedling.

With all that underway I should have 3 in flower, the auto and WZ staying on a similar harvest schedule, BB 5 weeks behind. Veggers can then play catchup and when they are close to flip start the cycle again.

I can squeeze in 4 tents plus a clone tent in there, I think thats the way forward, 2 to 3 in flip and flower with veggers moving from small to large veg tent.

Im guessing by the time WZ & Auto are coming close to down the days should get milder.

I swear next year Im running the Summer the opposite way to this one. Dusk to Dawn lights on. Already Im contemplating doing that with the BB and Runtz.

If I gotta spray then after work and dinner is a much better time, and mixing nutes and ph checks in the evening so their 'morning' drink and fertigation is after hours, then stick my head in during my morning to check up before lights out.

I cant count how many days I thought Id run late or how many nights Ive tried to beat the flower timer! Not to mention the heat, adding 5 to 6C on top of mid 30s is just plain silly.

 

[DV8]

Ok too many words , lets get some pics.

 

[DV8]

Argh wanting to use that tent is killing me. To replace and 'winter' it I have only the big 120x120 or a 60x60, and the smaller wont fit either of my stretched out girls and a light, the 70x70 they are in is touch and go.

The WZ has a bit of heat stress at the top as it is.

Im only frustrated as the mite tent is set up with the boards, plugs timers etc are internally mounted, tucked into the top poles.

Took me a while to figure it out and it worked beautifully, seem a shame to deconstruct and refit.

They do need seperating. Ive fallen in love with the WZ and Id love to widen her out to give her proper faux sun.

She needs to be staked out and give her a V shape rather then a rectangle pushing up against her tent buddy.

Its obvious that shes an auto, and Im happy with her but she just isnt in the same class as the photo.

Im hesitant to say they are my two best so far, in their own ways every plant and grow is different. In this case they are too tall for my liking, and still have some feed issues.

This clone gives me hope though.

Ive left her untopped and shes just on the edge of flicking her hooks up during the day.

Stinker has done some beautiful plants with big thick main cola untopped girls that has inspired me to try one coupled with lst.

Shes the wider lower style Im looking for with tight vigorous growth. If I can keep her from going too north too fast during flip she might get the shape Im looking for.

I missed the Runtz this morning, not that shes changed much since last pic.

Today is looking like the worst of it in terms of heat which has been relentless, and the temps will trend down for a few days.

I think Ill pop in another seed and take a clone from WZ tonight based on that. Its time now I have a proper workable space.

Lastly, still no word on journal start date.

 

[Lowrider72]

Going good DV8, keep on rolling .

 

[DV8]

Grow buddy came over late today and gave me an update on the offsite girls.

They hit the stretch on the GDP and Zkittlez, the other two Zkittlez in veg under hps are mixed, one blowing up big, the other staying a bit runty.

Im headed over to see his outdoor run, pushing the 6 foot mark after stretch and throwing pistils, clones from a third party. They were so tiny 4 weeks ago! Maybe a foot tall.

Not that he needed help, just suggested they go in bigger containers, around 50L, and a good N based feed and they thrived. Should have grabbed a cutting for clone, but tbh was unimpressed at how they started. Hindsight is 20/20 though.

Try and get some pics next time Im over, if not tomorrow then next weekend.

Might have converted him to fridge drying after assessing the BB chop in bags, honestly it couldnt be an easier process to follow.

We discussed the remaining grow space available, Im going to try a couple clones from the WZ and throw in at least one if not 2 varieties from Barneys range.

Whatever overflow happens he can take up the slack his end, and will open up another one of his other tents if needed for either veggers or ready to flip, and run 4 plants per space instead of 2.

That in turn should give me the option to try some new nutes and begin to settle on which ones we want to keep for dedicated runs of veg/clone---> flip/veg.

Should cut veg times down a bit too with his space using the shorter veggers and my end running bigger longer wider plants filling up as many m2 as possible dedicating single flowering plants to larger tents.

Im excited to see how it goes!

 

[DV8]

I never did make it over for pics. Next time.

Got inspired this arvo. Shifted the auto out and spread the WZ.

She looks a bit better in pics than RL, hoping she can do her build under more light now.

That made me decide to open up the BB clone. I just made some bigger hooks to wrestle her out and low, and took some impending yellow fans.

Tonight going to pop in 2 seeds. For sure a Runtz x Layer Cake by Barneys, and Im a bit undecided on the other.

Maybe Wedding cake, maybe the last Watermelon Zkittlez, maybe another.

Figure the auto and currebt WZ should only have 5 weeks left in tents give or take, so next ones go for a soak.

Ill take two monstercrop clones from WZ tomorrow, missed my window before lights out today spraying and wiping and sorting ducting.

 

[DV8]

Made the choice.
Barneys Farm
Watermelon Zkittlez
Runtz x Layer Cake

And for giggles

Peyote Zkittlez
DC Auto.

Ill have to have a think about the next couple but probably ready for Wedding Cake go by then.

 

[DV8]

 

[DV8]

So the seeds came out of their soak.

RLC and PZ had tails

DCA and WZ looked like they were just opening up.

Both the flower girls got a bit extra feed last night so far so good. I was nervous though. Feel like Im playing with fire trying to get them greener and give them extra to stack with.

They look so much better in pics than RL haha.

BB loved a bit of extra N and her deep pot. I should be flipping her. Ill have to figure out a game plan, might put the seeds and Runtz in clone tent and try and keep her stretch down.

The last three flipped just became long lanky tall streaks.

Runtz just doing her thing, all bumpy leaves and trying to get bigger.

 

[Stunger]

Both the flower girls got a bit extra feed last night so far so good. I was nervous though. Feel like Im playing with fire trying to get them greener and give them extra to stack with.

haha, I know how you feel!