BK's Indoor Soil Autos

[Bill284]

Hey @Jon! Certainly my watering skills can always improve but I faithfully try to follow @Emilya's instructions. I really think the hot soil hurt them. The grow before this I grew 2 monster autos by my standards, the Gelato and Wedding Cake. Their roots filled the bags, and I got 6 & 5 z's from them. See below I have more lol!



Morning @Bill284! I'm great and hope you are too thank you!

Yes I defoliated her this morning, would you have done it?

And yes I built the 5gal pots in layers just as you described. It's my first time and I'm excited, it's been sitting for about 5 days.

The soil was still quite moist, I watering her in a little and now she's under the lights. I'm guessing it will take her at least a week to empty this pot. Any advice or comments are most welcome.

Have a great day my friends!

Removing leaves from a small girl reduces her ability to absorb energy.
Even one from a small girl makes big difference.
Personally I don't remove leaves especially in veg on tiny plants.
It's just my way, everyone does what works for them.
I'm excited to see how your pots do.
Your roots will love it.

Stay safe
Bill

 

[BubbaKush909]

Removing leaves from a small girl reduces her ability to absorb energy.
Even one from a small girl makes big difference.
Personally I don't remove leaves especially in veg on tiny plants.
It's just my way, everyone does what works for them.
I'm excited to see how your pots do.
Your roots will love it.

Stay safe
Bill

Do you defol at all Bill?

 

[Jon]

Do you defol at all Bill?

I have learned, in part from Bill, that the more leaves you leave on the better off you'll be. Start to finish. At this point I only take leaves if I have to, if I see moisture between two or need air flow or one is totally blocking a bud. Other than that I take nothing but clearing out the undercarriage. See how many leaves Titan has? Or the plants in the tent? Less is more is my newish rule of thumb on taking leaves. Two cents for you!

 

[Bill284]

Do you defol at all Bill?

GRASSHOPPER ^^ there pretty much summed up.
I clean under the skirt before and after flip.
Then I don't touch anything.
My veg room was wall to wall packed never touched the leaves.
Flower room same thing I let them be.
My exception would be training or manipulation for production.
Or pests, everything else stays.
I'm not saying you should do your girls completely this way as I said before everyone has a method that works.
But I've found removal of fan leaves detrimental to growth and final outcome.
And if you look at mine or Jon's girls there is living proof.
Big healthy root systems will give you big healthy girls.
As long as you can control rh and air flow in flower you won't get mold.
Here is a couple pics.

The no defol club, hehe
​

Stay safe
Bill

 

[Jon]

GRASSHOPPER ^^ there pretty much summed up.
I clean under the skirt before and after flip.
Then I don't touch anything.
My veg room was wall to wall packed never touched the leaves.
Flower room same thing I let them be.
My exception would be training or manipulation for production.
Or pests, everything else stays.
I'm not saying you should do your girls completely this way as I said before everyone has a method that works.
But I've found removal of fan leaves detrimental to growth and final outcome.
And if you look at mine or Jon's girls there is living proof.
Big healthy root systems will give you big healthy girls.
As long as you can control rh and air flow in flower you won't get mold.
Here is a couple pics.

The no defol club, hehe
​

Stay safe
Bill

Jeez Bill those are amazing. When were those from? WOW.

 

[Bill284]

Jeez Bill those are amazing. When were those from? WOW.

The GG was the last run in that as the flower room.
I switched to the Weeburn veg room after that harvest.
I'm not allowed to say their name any longer.
Poor Teddy I drove him nuts, bet I still do hehe.
The jher was the harvest a month or two before the GG pic.
I usually have a jher in each run,mits a great strain to grow.
Real beast and fun smoke during the day.
Made great concentrates from her too.
Thanks for the compliment my friend.
I see you are doing well flying all over the board.
Posting those Beautiful ladies.
You should be able to snatch this Pebble any day now.

Stay safe
Bill

 

[BubbaKush909]

I have learned, in part from Bill, that the more leaves you leave on the better off you'll be. Start to finish. At this point I only take leaves if I have to, if I see moisture between two or need air flow or one is totally blocking a bud. Other than that I take nothing but clearing out the undercarriage. See how many leaves Titan has? Or the plants in the tent? Less is more is my newish rule of thumb on taking leaves. Two cents for you!

GRASSHOPPER ^^ there pretty much summed up.
I clean under the skirt before and after flip.
Then I don't touch anything.
My veg room was wall to wall packed never touched the leaves.
Flower room same thing I let them be.
My exception would be training or manipulation for production.
Or pests, everything else stays.
I'm not saying you should do your girls completely this way as I said before everyone has a method that works.
But I've found removal of fan leaves detrimental to growth and final outcome.
And if you look at mine or Jon's girls there is living proof.
Big healthy root systems will give you big healthy girls.
As long as you can control rh and air flow in flower you won't get mold.
Here is a couple pics.

The no defol club, hehe
​

Stay safe
Bill

Is there any actual science regarding defoliating? It's so confusing. I've seen and grown very large robust plants while defoliating the crap out of them. I'll leave the next ones alone, too late for this girl but she looks happy, she's still droopy at the tips but starting to pray. I watered her this morning, she was super light and droopy.

And the Red Super Skunk in her new layered, microbe packed home! She just went in this morning, she's settling in.

Have a great Friday night my friends!

 

[Jon]

Is there any actual science regarding defoliating? It's so confusing. I've seen and grown very large robust plants while defoliating the crap out of them. I'll leave the next ones alone, too late for this girl but she looks happy, she's still droopy at the tips but starting to pray. I watered her this morning, she was super light and droopy.

And the Red Super Skunk in her new layered, microbe packed home! She just went in this morning, she's settling in.

Have a great Friday night my friends!

If there is actual science/methodology that is "the best" I don't know where it is. That first plant is the SB, right? Please do yourself a favor. Take no more leaves off that plant. You took enough there for her entire grow. Imho.

 

[BubbaKush909]

If there is actual science/methodology that is "the best" I don't know where it is. That first plant is the SB, right? Please do yourself a favor. Take no more leaves off that plant. You took enough there for her entire grow. Imho.

She looks great today. I'm torn, I'll just watch her for a while. If there's no science why do you make such a strong statement? How do you know it makes a difference? You're growing awesome plants but you were before when you defoliated. Was that before coco? I've learned a lot from you don't get me wrong but I'm curious. I see a plant that wasn't getting any light past the fans, and now all that hidden growth is exposed to the light. I only left the top 2 because the growth is so new but I was def planning on taking them too. I'm very interested in all thoughts on this, we debated this extensively right here 10 years ago and pretty much everyone seemed to end up defoliating.

I had to feed her again just now, she's emptying that 3 gal pot every 18 hrs or so. I checked her very carefully, she was dry as a bone and wilty.

Strawberry Banana day 25, she got topped 3 days ago. Most of the droop has corrected itself but not all.

Red Super Skunk 2nd day in her new layered digs she's 13 days

I only started the Blueberry Glue & Forbidden Runtz XXL 3 days ago, planted them yesterday and they're both up today. Quite a change from what's been happening with the hot soil. Hopefully the dixie cups are swarming with microbes soon I can see bits of bokashi in the soil, maybe I used a little much lol

BG barely above the surface but I'm starting the day count

The Mimosa Lemon has looked exactly the same for weeks. She empties her 5 gal bag every 2-3 days and the buds are slowly fattening. Day 55 flower 31, no signs of finishing I'm guessing at least 3 more weeks.

Thanks for visiting & have a great Saturday night!

 

[Emilya Green]

defol is one of those popular topics to argue about on the forums because neither side can offer more than their personal opinions on the matter. The argument can't be won by either side. I personally don't believe in it and believe I can create a better producing plant in less time, using other proven training methods. It also seems like a lot of work. There are lots who love the method and think it is the best thing ever. They seem to be louder than the critics, but when are fanatics of anything the silent ones? Whatever floats your boat is my answer.

 

[Carmen Ray]

Happy birthday to the new babies BK

 

[Jon]

She looks great today. I'm torn, I'll just watch her for a while. If there's no science why do you make such a strong statement? How do you know it makes a difference? You're growing awesome plants but you were before when you defoliated. Was that before coco? I've learned a lot from you don't get me wrong but I'm curious. I see a plant that wasn't getting any light past the fans, and now all that hidden growth is exposed to the light. I only left the top 2 because the growth is so new but I was def planning on taking them too. I'm very interested in all thoughts on this, we debated this extensively right here 10 years ago and pretty much everyone seemed to end up defoliating.

I had to feed her again just now, she's emptying that 3 gal pot every 18 hrs or so. I checked her very carefully, she was dry as a bone and wilty.

Strawberry Banana day 25, she got topped 3 days ago. Most of the droop has corrected itself but not all.

Red Super Skunk 2nd day in her new layered digs she's 13 days

I only started the Blueberry Glue & Forbidden Runtz XXL 3 days ago, planted them yesterday and they're both up today. Quite a change from what's been happening with the hot soil. Hopefully the dixie cups are swarming with microbes soon I can see bits of bokashi in the soil, maybe I used a little much lol

BG barely above the surface but I'm starting the day count

The Mimosa Lemon has looked exactly the same for weeks. She empties her 5 gal bag every 2-3 days and the buds are slowly fattening. Day 55 flower 31, no signs of finishing I'm guessing at least 3 more weeks.

Thanks for visiting & have a great Saturday night!

Morning @BubbaKush909! My friend, I'd never get you wrong, you're my boy. And your question is a very fair one, why DO I make such a definitive statement without science? Excellent question. Here's my answer:

- Nobody can show me a white paper or article in a scientific journal that says you will grow bigger autos if you use any size pot bigger than a three. Not one person here can. And you know what? It's a FACT. Can I prove it? Not with a paper. But I can by experience. Repeated over and over again.
- If I say, "you can begin a seedling in a tent at 600 ppfd or even higher, no problem," you will see 100 people tell me I'm wrong. I'm not. That is also a fact. One proven with simple logic. What do you suppose the ppfd in direct sunlight is for those 10s of millions of natural seedlings which sprout everyday in full sunlight and don't burn? Is LED different? Sure it is. That not enough for you? Well, since I've done it about 15 times without a problem and 0 with a problem, yes, it's a fact.
- The same goes for taking leaves, especially this early in the process when you don't have many to begin with on that plant. The leaves are the power stations for your girl. Without them she can't do shit. And I get that everyone wants to find the balance, the perfect spot where taking leaves is exactly enough and the plant is exactly not compromised at all. But early on, or when the plant is smallish and has not too many fans, and nowhere near alternating nodes, it is immature and trying to grow up. I feel they need every leaf they have to grow to their full potential. But that's just a belief. In terms of anecdotal proof I'll tell you this: you say I was growing great plants BEFORE I started NOT defoliating aggressively like you see in my other journals, the earlier the journal the more the defol I did. I'm here to tell you I did NOT grow great plants then. I grew OKAY plants then. Were they as dense as the buds I get now? Significantly NO. Do I get MORE buds now? Significantly YES. Is my trichome production improved? Oh yes. Beginning with the Hulkberry grow, those three plants was when I started not taking leaves so much. THAT is when I began to grow weed approaching good weed. But still far from great. Then was the Apple Blossom, with barely any leaves taken. THAT was a good plant. Titan, I would argue, is a pretty good plant. The tent plants are good plants. In all those cases I have taken ZERO from the top and only from the undercarriage and from underneath to get air flow up through. There's a TON of bud in that tent. What is powering it's growth? THE LEAVES.

Sure, coco helps a lot too. But I was getting the same results from non defol in soil too. In fact, it's more pronounced a difference in soil than coco imho. But a lot of the growth you see in my plants is due to them having almost unlimited power generators funding their gorge-ing. So all that long tedious paragraph said, I would not say with as much vehemence my stance on defol as I would the other two examples I gave. As @Emilya pointed out, it's a hot argument topic and everyone has their own thing. This is certainly my OPINION, I am not saying it's a fact, as I gleefully did in the first two examples. The reason I said it so strongly in this case is because I can clearly see your plant and know what you have going on.

What I was saying for sure is that on YOUR SPECIFIC SB in the grow that you're showing, just about anyone here will tell you you've taken plenty of leaves and they need the ones you left. I am sure I am not alone in saying that with that particular plant, you don't HAVE any more leaves to take. What would you take now if you did? The two big fans on top? Go ahead. Do your thing. That's how we learn. But I assure you those are the only two big power stations you have on the plant right now. If you were to take them you would see your growth compromised.

BK, there's a difference between offering up bro science and labeling it fact, and making a strong statement based on significant amount of repeated experience. But don't take my grow for it. Check out a @West Hippie grow. Or a @Bill284 grow. Any Emilya grow. These guys keep their leaves. Even @InTheShed, who is an expert at targeted defol and takes more than me, him too...but again, even he keeps tons of leaves. Almost anyone you are asking questions of in your journal here keeps a lot. Check out @Kanno26's tent - he's got TONS of leaves and just look how sweet it is. It gets to a point where, papers or not, it becomes as good as fact.

So that's my take. I'll probably take some crap for parts of this post, that's okay, I am happy to argue anything I can prove with my own direct experience. And I am just being direct with you, so please don't you get me wrong, cool? Normally I might polish up the edges a little. This is much preferable.

 

[BubbaKush909]

Morning @BubbaKush909! My friend, I'd never get you wrong, you're my boy. And your question is a very fair one, why DO I make such a definitive statement without science? Excellent question. Here's my answer:

- Nobody can show me a white paper or article in a scientific journal that says you will grow bigger autos if you use any size pot bigger than a three. Not one person here can. And you know what? It's a FACT. Can I prove it? Not with a paper. But I can by experience. Repeated over and over again.
- If I say, "you can begin a seedling in a tent at 600 ppfd or even higher, no problem," you will see 100 people tell me I'm wrong. I'm not. That is also a fact. One proven with simple logic. What do you suppose the ppfd in direct sunlight is for those 10s of millions of natural seedlings which sprout everyday in full sunlight and don't burn? Is LED different? Sure it is. That not enough for you? Well, since I've done it about 15 times without a problem and 0 with a problem, yes, it's a fact.
- The same goes for taking leaves, especially this early in the process when you don't have many to begin with on that plant. The leaves are the power stations for your girl. Without them she can't do shit. And I get that everyone wants to find the balance, the perfect spot where taking leaves is exactly enough and the plant is exactly not compromised at all. But early on, or when the plant is smallish and has not too many fans, and nowhere near alternating nodes, it is immature and trying to grow up. I feel they need every leaf they have to grow to their full potential. But that's just a belief. In terms of anecdotal proof I'll tell you this: you say I was growing great plants BEFORE I started NOT defoliating aggressively like you see in my other journals, the earlier the journal the more the defol I did. I'm here to tell you I did NOT grow great plants then. I grew OKAY plants then. Were they as dense as the buds I get now? Significantly NO. Do I get MORE buds now? Significantly YES. Is my trichome production improved? Oh yes. Beginning with the Hulkberry grow, those three plants was when I started not taking leaves so much. THAT is when I began to grow weed approaching good weed. But still far from great. Then was the Apple Blossom, with barely any leaves taken. THAT was a good plant. Titan, I would argue, is a pretty good plant. The tent plants are good plants. In all those cases I have taken ZERO from the top and only from the undercarriage and from underneath to get air flow up through. There's a TON of bud in that tent. What is powering it's growth? THE LEAVES.

Sure, coco helps a lot too. But I was getting the same results from non defol in soil too. In fact, it's more pronounced a difference in soil than coco imho. But a lot of the growth you see in my plants is due to them having almost unlimited power generators funding their gorge-ing. So all that long tedious paragraph said, I would not say with as much vehemence my stance on defol as I would the other two examples I gave. As @Emilya pointed out, it's a hot argument topic and everyone has their own thing. This is certainly my OPINION, I am not saying it's a fact, as I gleefully did in the first two examples. The reason I said it so strongly in this case is because I can clearly see your plant and know what you have going on.

What I was saying for sure is that on YOUR SPECIFIC SB in the grow that you're showing, just about anyone here will tell you you've taken plenty of leaves and they need the ones you left. I am sure I am not alone in saying that with that particular plant, you don't HAVE any more leaves to take. What would you take now if you did? The two big fans on top? Go ahead. Do your thing. That's how we learn. But I assure you those are the only two big power stations you have on the plant right now. If you were to take them you would see your growth compromised.

BK, there's a difference between offering up bro science and labeling it fact, and making a strong statement based on significant amount of repeated experience. But don't take my grow for it. Check out a @West Hippie grow. Or a @Bill284 grow. Any Emilya grow. These guys keep their leaves. Even @InTheShed, who is an expert at targeted defol and takes more than me, him too...but again, even he keeps tons of leaves. Almost anyone you are asking questions of in your journal here keeps a lot. Check out @Kanno26's tent - he's got TONS of leaves and just look how sweet it is. It gets to a point where, papers or not, it becomes as good as fact.

So that's my take. I'll probably take some crap for parts of this post, that's okay, I am happy to argue anything I can prove with my own direct experience. And I am just being direct with you, so please don't you get me wrong, cool? Normally I might polish up the edges a little. This is much preferable.

Morning @Jon! Please don't ever feel like you can't say anything you want here, same to everyone. We only learn by questioning and experimenting. I'm not going to take things personally... well I'm human sometimes I do but I generally get over it lol.

I don't take every leaf, I've taken at most 8 from SB and maybe only 6. I only take leaves that seem to be blocking the light. You said something that resonated with me just now though... bud density. Mine generally lack that and I'm always willing to try and improve. I'll let the 2 new girls keep their leaves. I don't think I've ever grown a plant I didn't defol.

Everything else that you and @Bill284 and @Emilya and many others have helped me with has been spot on. I gave up soil years ago because I could never get it right. On May 27th it'll be a year since I started the first seeds on this latest adventure. Ok I'm still having problems but I am really excited about my progress.

The Red Super Skunk was started in the hot soil but transferred to light warrior the next day, I don't know if that can have an impact. She's now fully on the program in a layered, microbe'd (ok that's not a word lol) pot.

The 2 I just started, Blueberry Glue and Forbidden Runtz, are 100% on the program. I feel like I'm heading in the right direction and I'm super excited.

Hope you and everyone out there has a great Sunday. Looks like we've got more rain coming. We had March weather in April and now April weather in May. I'm going to need an Ark soon at this rate

 

[BubbaKush909]

defol is one of those popular topics to argue about on the forums because neither side can offer more than their personal opinions on the matter. The argument can't be won by either side. I personally don't believe in it and believe I can create a better producing plant in less time, using other proven training methods. It also seems like a lot of work. There are lots who love the method and think it is the best thing ever. They seem to be louder than the critics, but when are fanatics of anything the silent ones? Whatever floats your boat is my answer.

Morning @Emilya! The lack of certainty about so many things related to growing can be both frustrating and fascinating. Most of us just want to grow the best plants we can, and while arguments can break out I think we have an amazing community here. I'm sure it's frustrating sometimes for you long-timers to have to re-visit topic after topic, year after year lol. But you've all been extremely patient and helpful with me and for that I thank you!

Hope you have a great day!

Happy birthday to the new babies BK

Thanks Carmen! I used to never have issues starting the ladies, but lately it's been a mess. I think 4 of the last 7 haven't made it so this is very promising. And I've hopefully correctly identified the culprit which I think is the soil I've been starting them in. Both of the babies are looking very happy this morning and that makes me happy!

Have a great day and thanks everyone who visits!

 

[Costanza]

Is there any actual science regarding defoliating? It's so confusing. I've seen and grown very large robust plants while defoliating the crap out of them. I'll leave the next ones alone, too late for this girl but she looks happy, she's still droopy at the tips but starting to pray. I watered her this morning, she was super light and droopy.

And the Red Super Skunk in her new layered, microbe packed home! She just went in this morning, she's settling in.

Have a great Friday night my friends!

that defoliation question is highly debated. I recommend experimenting on your own, that's what I did on my last grow. On my first couple grows I took off way too many leaves and my plants looked like shit and grew slowly. The most recent grow I am on, I reached out to the breeder for one of my seed packs and I'm following his tips so my plan on this one is as follows, I defoliate but only twice, one big one with a cleanup of any lower branches that will not reach over 50% of the total height of the plant, do this at day 14 of flower, then do a very light leaf cleanup at day 28. Like others said you need those leaves think of them as solar panels, just don't get too crazy and only take 2 or 3 not 7 or 8 and what Em said is so true, everyone likes to think their way is the only way but its true there is no science backing either of them its all personal preference.

 

[gwhunran]

I used to never defoliate, my reasoning was "they are the engines of the plant, more engines, more power", and until I grew Black Domina, that held true. I grew it twice and the foliage was thick, too thick. The first round I didn't remove anything and the plants were beautiful, no mold at all. But the total bud at harvest was mainly just at the top. The 2nd run, I started removing leaves to open it up and let more light in. I got lots more buds at harvest than the 1st run. 1st run about 5 quart jars. The 2nd run I got 12 qt jars.
One of my trays has Hawaii Maui Waui in it and this stuff is way thicker with leaves than the Black Domina. I have defoliated twice now in flower. I hope that's enough.

Low yielding 1st run, 5 quart jars of large buds. Black Domina

2nd run of Black Domina, with defoliation. Yielded 12 quart jars of large buds. The pictures don't look too different but this batch had a lot of leaves removed during flower.

 

[Jon]

I used to never defoliate, my reasoning was "they are the engines of the plant, more engines, more power", and until I grew Black Domina, that held true. I grew it twice and the foliage was thick, too thick. The first round I didn't remove anything and the plants were beautiful, no mold at all. But the total bud at harvest was mainly just at the top. The 2nd run, I started removing leaves to open it up and let more light in. I got lots more buds at harvest than the 1st run. 1st run about 5 quart jars. The 2nd run I got 12 qt jars.
One of my trays has Hawaii Maui Waui in it and this stuff is way thicker with leaves than the Black Domina. I have defoliated twice now in flower. I hope that's enough.

Low yielding 1st run, 5 quart jars of large buds. Black Domina

2nd run of Black Domina, with defoliation. Yielded 12 quart jars of large buds. The pictures don't look too different but this batch had a lot of leaves removed during flower.

Nice grows, both of them!! In the case of the first one, yes, in a case like that I would definitely defoliate exactly as you did in the second grow, that's crazy the first one, lol. Gorgeous buds, damn. Defol in a scrog situation is also different than a couple individual plants.

 

[BubbaKush909]

that defoliation question is highly debated. I recommend experimenting on your own, that's what I did on my last grow. On my first couple grows I took off way too many leaves and my plants looked like shit and grew slowly. The most recent grow I am on, I reached out to the breeder for one of my seed packs and I'm following his tips so my plan on this one is as follows, I defoliate but only twice, one big one with a cleanup of any lower branches that will not reach over 50% of the total height of the plant, do this at day 14 of flower, then do a very light leaf cleanup at day 28. Like others said you need those leaves think of them as solar panels, just don't get too crazy and only take 2 or 3 not 7 or 8 and what Em said is so true, everyone likes to think their way is the only way but its true there is no science backing either of them its all personal preference.

Morning @Costanza and thanks for visiting! I agree about experimenting, I don't want to be inflexible about anything. Today I had to restrain myself from taking those 2 big fans still remaining lol. I'm going to leave the leaves alone, at least that's the plan for now! Have a great day!

I used to never defoliate, my reasoning was "they are the engines of the plant, more engines, more power", and until I grew Black Domina, that held true. I grew it twice and the foliage was thick, too thick. The first round I didn't remove anything and the plants were beautiful, no mold at all. But the total bud at harvest was mainly just at the top. The 2nd run, I started removing leaves to open it up and let more light in. I got lots more buds at harvest than the 1st run. 1st run about 5 quart jars. The 2nd run I got 12 qt jars.
One of my trays has Hawaii Maui Waui in it and this stuff is way thicker with leaves than the Black Domina. I have defoliated twice now in flower. I hope that's enough.

Low yielding 1st run, 5 quart jars of large buds. Black Domina

2nd run of Black Domina, with defoliation. Yielded 12 quart jars of large buds. The pictures don't look too different but this batch had a lot of leaves removed during flower.

Morning @gwhunran and thanks for stopping by! I love those pics! I won't be growing plants that size but we think alike. I've never grown without taking most of the fans so I'll see what happens, but if my canopy is nothing but fan leaves I think I'll do just what you've done. Take care!

Nice grows, both of them!! In the case of the first one, yes, in a case like that I would definitely defoliate exactly as you did in the second grow, that's crazy the first one, lol. Gorgeous buds, damn. Defol in a scrog situation is also different than a couple individual plants.

Morning @Jon! Hope your day is going well. See below for a very dangerous plant pest I've been keeping a close eye on lately!

Here it is. It was born in my backyard in tall grass next to the outdoor garden about 2 months ago. It won't leave my plants alone! Luckily the plants in question are mostly dandelions.

If you might be wondering why a set of wooden steps are sitting in my backyard, it's about all that's left of the back deck right now. Rebuild pending and with the current price of lumber I'll probably just spruce them up and re-use them. It was going to be a simple project until I realized how much underlying wood was rotted. The way my projects go I'll probably have to rebuild the whole back of the house before I can reattach the deck lol.

They look so cuddly but you can tell by it's expression that it's here to take names and eat plants. Luckily my yard is more weeds than grass. Bring up the Holy Hand Grenade

 

[Carmen Ray]

I believe they make good pie....
I love a good restoration project. I hope you don't have to do too much and can salvage as much wood as possible.
I don't know what is coming off my plant yet. As soon as I get the go ahead from BooWho2 I will top and up-pot to the 20 L (5 Gal), and then the training starts. I am going to follow Carcass's hooking technique for the training. They both seem to achieve excellent results time after time. If the plant wants to get taller, I have no space for that, so she will have to keep a low canopy.

Have a great day, BK

 

[BubbaKush909]

I dunno about this Strawberry Banana, I've never had a plant quite like this. I suspect she has a deficient root structure because of the hot soil she was started in and probably my watering habits, but she's droopy all the time. Once in a while she's praying but otherwise the droop. Plus the dark coloring at the tips of the leaves which corrects itself as she grows. When the fan hits her she flops all over the place. Very strange.

She's only in a 3gal pot and she otherwise looks good, and she's feeding like crazy. I'm going to measure the runoff pH shortly maybe that will tell me something. Normally when they get to this point the stems are strong, they're praying constantly, in other words they look like normal healthy pot plants.

I'm wondering if too much or too little calmag could be in play here? They all routinely get about 5ml calmag per half gallon.

Strawberry Banana, day 27, get close to flowering.

Red Super Skunk, day 15 her 5th node is just emerging

Mimosa Lemon, day 57, flower 33 she's the perfect size I want to grow, probably 3z's or so.

And here's the garden

All thoughts, ideas & comments are welcome!

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