BK's Indoor Soil Autos

[Jon]

I dunno about this Strawberry Banana, I've never had a plant quite like this. I suspect she has a deficient root structure because of the hot soil she was started in and probably my watering habits, but she's droopy all the time. Once in a while she's praying but otherwise the droop. Plus the dark coloring at the tips of the leaves which corrects itself as she grows. When the fan hits her she flops all over the place. Very strange.

She's only in a 3gal pot and she otherwise looks good, and she's feeding like crazy. I'm going to measure the runoff pH shortly maybe that will tell me something. Normally when they get to this point the stems are strong, they're praying constantly, in other words they look like normal healthy pot plants.

I'm wondering if too much or too little calmag could be in play here? They all routinely get about 5ml calmag per half gallon.

Strawberry Banana, day 27, get close to flowering.

Red Super Skunk, day 15 her 5th node is just emerging

Mimosa Lemon, day 57, flower 33 she's the perfect size I want to grow, probably 3z's or so.

And here's the garden

All thoughts, ideas & comments are welcome!

Thanks for dropping by and have a great day!

I think you *might* have hit on something. I only use CalMag in soil at 5ml./gallon, half your concentration, and I definitely do not use it with every watering. I wait until the plant says it needs it. You *might* try cutting the concentration down to 1 tsp/gallon (5ml/gallon) and feeding it like every fourth watering or something. See if that helps?

 

[Farmer Reading]

Morning @Costanza and thanks for visiting! I agree about experimenting, I don't want to be inflexible about anything. Today I had to restrain myself from taking those 2 big fans still remaining lol. I'm going to leave the leaves alone, at least that's the plan for now! Have a great day!



Morning @gwhunran and thanks for stopping by! I love those pics! I won't be growing plants that size but we think alike. I've never grown without taking most of the fans so I'll see what happens, but if my canopy is nothing but fan leaves I think I'll do just what you've done. Take care!



Morning @Jon! Hope your day is going well. See below for a very dangerous plant pest I've been keeping a close eye on lately!

Here it is. It was born in my backyard in tall grass next to the outdoor garden about 2 months ago. It won't leave my plants alone! Luckily the plants in question are mostly dandelions.

If you might be wondering why a set of wooden steps are sitting in my backyard, it's about all that's left of the back deck right now. Rebuild pending and with the current price of lumber I'll probably just spruce them up and re-use them. It was going to be a simple project until I realized how much underlying wood was rotted. The way my projects go I'll probably have to rebuild the whole back of the house before I can reattach the deck lol.

They look so cuddly but you can tell by it's expression that it's here to take names and eat plants. Luckily my yard is more weeds than grass. Bring up the Holy Hand Grenade

Bring up the Holy Hand Grenade indeed.

That is the most evil and sinister looking rabbit that I've ever seen.
Looks like it is waiting to attack an unsuspecting deer.

 

[Jon]

Bring up the Holy Hand Grenade indeed.

That is the most evil and sinister looking rabbit that I've ever seen.
Looks like it is waiting to attack an unsuspecting deer.

sinister looking rabbit...

 

[Costanza]

sinister looking rabbit...

He's like ah a weed plant, would be a shame if someone ate all these leaves

 

[gwhunran]

I used to never defoliate, my reasoning was "they are the engines of the plant, more engines, more power", and until I grew Black Domina, that held true. I grew it twice and the foliage was thick, too thick. The first round I didn't remove anything and the plants were beautiful, no mold at all. But the total bud at harvest was mainly just at the top. The 2nd run, I started removing leaves to open it up and let more light in. I got lots more buds at harvest than the 1st run. 1st run about 5 quart jars. The 2nd run I got 12 qt jars.
One of my trays has Hawaii Maui Waui in it and this stuff is way thicker with leaves than the Black Domina. I have defoliated twice now in flower. I hope that's enough.

Low yielding 1st run, 5 quart jars of large buds. Black Domina

2nd run of Black Domina, with defoliation. Yielded 12 quart jars of large buds. The pictures don't look too different but this batch had a lot of leaves removed during flower.

I messed up on my pictures. These are the same grow. Here's one of the 2nd grow that was defoliated and yielded more.

The second Black Domina grow that was defoliated and yielded more even though it doesn't look like it.

 

[BubbaKush909]

I believe they make good pie....
I love a good restoration project. I hope you don't have to do too much and can salvage as much wood as possible.
I don't know what is coming off my plant yet. As soon as I get the go ahead from BooWho2 I will top and up-pot to the 20 L (5 Gal), and then the training starts. I am going to follow Carcass's hooking technique for the training. They both seem to achieve excellent results time after time. If the plant wants to get taller, I have no space for that, so she will have to keep a low canopy.

Have a great day, BK

Thanks Carmen! In these parts they make a nice stew, or so I've heard lol

I think you *might* have hit on something. I only use CalMag in soil at 5ml./gallon, half your concentration, and I definitely do not use it with every watering. I wait until the plant says it needs it. You *might* try cutting the concentration down to 1 tsp/gallon (5ml/gallon) and feeding it like every fourth watering or something. See if that helps?

Hey @Jon! I don't know why I'm dosing them so high, it's Botanicare's version and states 5ml/gal. It hasn't bothered anyone else that I could tell so I'll cut it in half. Runoff pH was 7.3 any thoughts on that?

Not all crosses work though. I am crossing my fingers hoping that your new strain doesn't taste like a potato.

@Emilya my first grow years ago was bagseed and I didn't cull the males soon enough. I had tons of seeds, and eventually grew out a couple. It was probably the worst pot I've ever smoked lol

Bring up the Holy Hand Grenade indeed.

That is the most evil and sinister looking rabbit that I've ever seen.
Looks like it is waiting to attack an unsuspecting deer.

Hey @Farmer Reading now you see why I grow indoors, it's not safe out there. I didn't even show you the Wren family who's favorite game is crapping on pot plants.

He's like ah a weed plant, would be a shame if someone ate all these leaves

Hey @Constanza! He'd be denying it while a 7 fingered leaf hung from his mouth I can just tell!

I messed up on my pictures. These are the same grow. Here's one of the 2nd grow that was defoliated and yielded more.

The second Black Domina grow that was defoliated and yielded more even though it doesn't look like it.

Hey @gwhunran! Are you growing under an HPS? Used to see a lot of pics like that back in the day. How's the Black Domina? I've never heard of that one, love the name.

Hope everyone has a great day!

 

[BubbaKush909]

Oops I wrote that last night and forgot to post it grrrrr.

 

[Jon]

Thanks Carmen! In these parts they make a nice stew, or so I've heard lol




Hey @Jon! I don't know why I'm dosing them so high, it's Botanicare's version and states 5ml/gal. It hasn't bothered anyone else that I could tell so I'll cut it in half. Runoff pH was 7.3 any thoughts on that?



@Emilya my first grow years ago was bagseed and I didn't cull the males soon enough. I had tons of seeds, and eventually grew out a couple. It was probably the worst pot I've ever smoked lol



Hey @Farmer Reading now you see why I grow indoors, it's not safe out there. I didn't even show you the Wren family who's favorite game is crapping on pot plants.



Hey @Constanza! He'd be denying it while a 7 fingered leaf hung from his mouth I can just tell!



Hey @gwhunran! Are you growing under an HPS? Used to see a lot of pics like that back in the day. How's the Black Domina? I've never heard of that one, love the name.

Hope everyone has a great day!

Hey @BubbaKush909 - I never measure the ph of the runoff, maybe I should. All I know is that for soil, if I'm using nutes (non organic), every drop that hits that soil is Ph'ed to 6.3. In organics or Sohum or living soil, Ph is irrelevant and so is the runoff number.

 

[BubbaKush909]

Help please. I was checking the Mimosa Lemon today and noticed this about 3 nodes from the top of one of the colas

I haven't noticed any other problems, at least yet. Shes on day 58, 33 days into flower. I've just done a minor flush 1.5 gals, I'm not sure what's going on. I don't think it's a nute spill. Looks cal-magish to me, maybe I've got salt buildups from using too much CM all grow? Any advice is greatly appreciated thank you!

 

[Jon]

Help please. I was checking the Mimosa Lemon today and noticed this about 3 nodes from the top of one of the colas

I haven't noticed any other problems, at least yet. Shes on day 58, 33 days into flower. I've just done a minor flush 1.5 gals, I'm not sure what's going on. I don't think it's a nute spill. Looks cal-magish to me, maybe I've got salt buildups from using too much CM all grow? Any advice is greatly appreciated thank you!

If I had to hazard a guess I would say that's a small example of K deficiency caused by improper Ph. You just flushed you said, and if you now use the proper ph with any watering you should be fine. That's only a very small example and not to be worried about if you just arrest it in the bud (heh, see what I did there?). That's my two cents, but certainly check that with others. The other guess is a touch of overwatering, which would also account for how deeply green the leaves are. So there's two guesses for you to start if off, let's see what other responses you get.

 

[gwhunran]

Thanks Carmen! In these parts they make a nice stew, or so I've heard lol




Hey @Jon! I don't know why I'm dosing them so high, it's Botanicare's version and states 5ml/gal. It hasn't bothered anyone else that I could tell so I'll cut it in half. Runoff pH was 7.3 any thoughts on that?



@Emilya my first grow years ago was bagseed and I didn't cull the males soon enough. I had tons of seeds, and eventually grew out a couple. It was probably the worst pot I've ever smoked lol



Hey @Farmer Reading now you see why I grow indoors, it's not safe out there. I didn't even show you the Wren family who's favorite game is crapping on pot plants.



Hey @Constanza! He'd be denying it while a 7 fingered leaf hung from his mouth I can just tell!



Hey @gwhunran! Are you growing under an HPS? Used to see a lot of pics like that back in the day. How's the Black Domina? I've never heard of that one, love the name.

Hope everyone has a great day!

Yes. This year's the first time using LEDs. I used to have two rooms. One was MH for veg. the other HPS for flower. Now I've got two rooms with LEDs that work for both light cycles, so now I can do four grows a season instead of two.
I can't complain about HID. They worked well for me. I will have to see if I can do better with LEDs.

 

[BubbaKush909]

If I had to hazard a guess I would say that's a small example of K deficiency caused by improper Ph. You just flushed you said, and if you now use the proper ph with any watering you should be fine. That's only a very small example and not to be worried about if you just arrest it in the bud (heh, see what I did there?). That's my two cents, but certainly check that with others. The other guess is a touch of overwatering, which would also account for how deeply green the leaves are. So there's two guesses for you to start if off, let's see what other responses you get.

I checked her runoff it was 6.2 so that's good as best as I can tell. She's been that same deep green color all grow it's very cool in real life. I flushed her some more, it was her watering time anyhow, and now I'll just watch. I gave her a light top dressing of Gaia Green Bloom organic powder for her prior feeding 2 days ago but I don't think that could have done anything so quickly. I hope it doesn't spread. Thanks @Jon!

Yes. This year's the first time using LEDs. I used to have two rooms. One was MH for veg. the other HPS for flower. Now I've got two rooms with LEDs that work for both light cycles, so now I can do four grows a season instead of two.
I can't complain about HID. They worked well for me. I will have to see if I can do better with LEDs.

I don't know if you'll do better @gwhunran, but it should be cheaper and less heat for sure. I used to grow with cmh's and I think the plants were a little easier to read, ie if the light was too close you'd know in a hurry. LED's aren't quite like that, I pay close attention to the manufacturer specs as far as distance above the plants. I was sloppy at first and burnt a few plants. Another thing I really like about the led's is you can take pics under the lights and they come out great, the colors are very accurate. I'll stop by and see what you're up to... take care!

 

[BubbaKush909]

Strawberry Banana Day 28, I'm going to say she started flowering yesterday. She's only 10" tall but I think will get to a size similar to the Mimosa Lemon which is perfect for me, 2-3 z's.

She didn't get any calmag today, the pH runoff was again high, 7.2. Not sure what's going on. I checked the ML's runoff after the flush and it was 6.2 which as I understand it is fine, the water was at 6.1 going in.

One thing I've decided is no more 3gal bags, there's no room to get to the soil and she's draining the bag every 36hrs or so.

Here's the Red Super Skunk, 16 days old. She got transplanted to her new prepped, layered and wet soil 4 days ago and hopefully she's growing lots of roots she's not doing a whole lot above ground. She had the best root ball coming out of the solo cups of all I've grown so far. She was started in light warrior with a dusting of Great White. At this rate she won't be watered for another week.

Last are the 2 I'm most interested in, Blueberry Glue & Forbidden Runtz XXL, they're the first ones started in a combo of light warrior, happy frog, myco, frass & bokashi that was soaked in rainwater and sat for a few days. It was still quite wet when I planted them and I haven't watered since. It will be another 2-3 days and I'm seeing really nice root growth already, they've only been up for 3 days:

The fun continues.... thanks for stopping by!

 

[Carmen Ray]

Looking good BK. What size pots will you go for next? Happy birthday to the babies! That soil mix sounds delicious with the rain water.

 

[BubbaKush909]

Looking good BK. What size pots will you go for next? Happy birthday to the babies! That soil mix sounds delicious with the rain water.

Morning Carmen! Everyone else is in 5gal bags, I guess that's about 20 litres? Some of the bags are square and seem to hold quite a bit more than the round ones. I also have about 5 7gal bags but I've only used one, and that was on a photo. I've got 2 5gal bags prepped and ready to go - the Blueberry Glue will go in the round one and the Forbidden Runtz will go in the larger square bag. They're kinda dried out now but we're expecting more rain today - what a shocker! - and I've set them outside to get re-moistened. Here in southwest ohio we've just set a rainfall record for May already and there are storms in the forecast for today, tomorrow and probably the rest of the week. Sheesh. When the sun does come out it feels like the tropics. Hope you have a great day!

 

[Carmen Ray]

Morning Carmen! Everyone else is in 5gal bags, I guess that's about 20 litres? Some of the bags are square and seem to hold quite a bit more than the round ones. I also have about 5 7gal bags but I've only used one, and that was on a photo. I've got 2 5gal bags prepped and ready to go - the Blueberry Glue will go in the round one and the Forbidden Runtz will go in the larger square bag. They're kinda dried out now but we're expecting more rain today - what a shocker! - and I've set them outside to get re-moistened. Here in southwest ohio we've just set a rainfall record for May already and there are storms in the forecast for today, tomorrow and probably the rest of the week. Sheesh. When the sun does come out it feels like the tropics. Hope you have a great day!

BK the weather is mad. It's doing insane things all over the place. Have yourself an awesome day I look forward to seeing your young ones go into the 5 gal bags... same size I have btw.

 

[Jon]

Morning Carmen! Everyone else is in 5gal bags, I guess that's about 20 litres? Some of the bags are square and seem to hold quite a bit more than the round ones. I also have about 5 7gal bags but I've only used one, and that was on a photo. I've got 2 5gal bags prepped and ready to go - the Blueberry Glue will go in the round one and the Forbidden Runtz will go in the larger square bag. They're kinda dried out now but we're expecting more rain today - what a shocker! - and I've set them outside to get re-moistened. Here in southwest ohio we've just set a rainfall record for May already and there are storms in the forecast for today, tomorrow and probably the rest of the week. Sheesh. When the sun does come out it feels like the tropics. Hope you have a great day!

Hey @BubbaKush909, the Forbidden Runtz is a Double XL isn't it? If it is, might I suggest using one of the seven gallon pots for her? I know it's coco vs. soil, but I have Titan in a five and sure wish I had used a seven. She filled this pot a long time ago. Even though you likely won't get the same level of growth in soil, I still think it's likely to become a much bigger auto than you're used to. I think you'll find the roots will easily fill the seven, hell, I have filled sevens of soil with autos using FF and Geo and just regular auto seeds. You certainly have the skills to do it if you want, just a thought.

 

[BubbaKush909]

Hey @BubbaKush909, the Forbidden Runtz is a Double XL isn't it? If it is, might I suggest using one of the seven gallon pots for her? I know it's coco vs. soil, but I have Titan in a five and sure wish I had used a seven. She filled this pot a long time ago. Even though you likely won't get the same level of growth in soil, I still think it's likely to become a much bigger auto than you're used to. I think you'll find the roots will easily fill the seven, hell, I have filled sevens of soil with autos using FF and Geo and just regular auto seeds. You certainly have the skills to do it if you want, just a thought.

Hey @Jon yes she is an XXL. I decided to take the square 5gal that I prepared last week and carefully dump it into a 7gal round bag. I figured I'd still have layers that way just inverted and it worked. I wasn't really surprised to see that the 5gal square completely filled the 7gal round, I knew it was bigger than the 5gal round bags. I'm still glad I did it the round bags are much easier to position in the garden.

Like Carmen I'm wondering about my watering. The 5gal that I transplanted the Red Super Skunk into was quite wet, almost saturated before the transplant. It's now been 5 days, she's pretty much just sat there doing very little, and the bag is still heavy. Do you or @Emilya or @Bill284 think I should maybe water her a bit? Or just let her sit as is until the pot goes lite, which may be another week or more? I always seem to make the wrong choice in situations like this. This bag was prepped @Bill284 style with perlite layers etc.

Thanks and have a great night!

 

[Emilya Green]

water her a bit around the edges and just the top 2 or 3 inches... about 1/3 what it would take to fully water to saturation. Do this about every 4 days and continue to wait for her to drain the water in the bottom before fully watering again. 5 days is nothing in a large container... it might take a week or even 11 days. Make her do this, or your roots will remain weak.

 

[BubbaKush909]

water her a bit around the edges and just the top 2 or 3 inches... about 1/3 what it would take to fully water to saturation. Do this about every 4 days and continue to wait for her to drain the water in the bottom before fully watering again. 5 days is nothing in a large container... it might take a week or even 11 days. Make her do this, or your roots will remain weak.

Thanks @Emilya! I'm determined to learn how to water these plants.

Strawberry Banana - I've been checking her runoff pH it's been slowly dropping. The water goes in at 6.1, coming out at 7.1 this morning. 4 days ago it was 7.4. Do you think that's indicative of a salt build up? It's mostly organic but I am supplementing with calmag and silica. She's only in a 3 gal bag and I'm not crazy about the idea of up-potting her now she's just started flowering.

I didn't exactly flush her today but I gave her twice as much water as normal, I'd say 50-60% runs off. As this is always the case I didn't think I'd need to flush her but something's not right. New emerging growth doesn't look right to me.
All in all she looks ok but as I mentioned before she's also kind of droopy. Here she is now I just watered her, day 30.

Her emerging leaves are claw-ing. They straighten out as we go along. I think I was giving her too much cal-mag all grow until the last 2 feeding. I'm sure I can get her to the finish line but any advice is most welcome. Thank you!