BK's Indoor Soil Autos

[Bill284]

Hi @Bill284! That's the Strawberry Banana which is behind the Mimosa Lemon. She's in a living soil but I've been giving her too much calmag and also supplementing with an organic top dressing. @Jon and @Emilya helped me with this a few days ago, I'm giving her pH'd water with a little silica and that's it. It's def N toxicity and I'm hoping she'll grow out of it but I welcome anything you'd like to add thank you!

Did she have a deficiency?
Why are you feeding calmag in soil?
Have you been feeding anything other than calmag?
Supplement with top dressing?
What are you top dressing with? recharged?
What did you mix in the soil with so much N?
What did Jon and Em suggest to remedy it?

Stay safe
Bill

 

[BubbaKush909]

Did she have a deficiency?
Why are you feeding calmag in soil?
Have you been feeding anything other than calmag?
Supplement with top dressing?
What are you top dressing with? recharged?
What did you mix in the soil with so much N?
What did Jon and Em suggest to remedy it?

Stay safe
Bill

Hi @Bill284, please go to page 5 post #100 and the next few after that, that lays out what I did and what they suggested I do. I'd really appreciate your thoughts on this too thank you!

 

[BubbaKush909]

I watered her again this morning and here she is a few hours later, probably wishful thinking but I think she's looking a little better:

 

[BubbaKush909]

The 2 babies got a good soaking today, were last watered on the 25th. They look fantastic, and when they finish this drink in a few days I'll transplant them into their final homes, which are cooking away, I prepped them last week. BG into a 5gal and FR XXL into a 7. They both look to be starting their 3rd nodes.

Blueberry Glue day 8

Forbidden Runtz XXL day 8

Red Super Skunk, day 21. Her 5th node is almost out, should be able to top her tomorrow or the day after. She's still draining her pot, it was pretty wet at transplant. I've watered her a little per @Emilya's directions. She's the first plant that's in a layered pot ala @Bill284 style. I hope she gives me at least 8-10 more days before flowering.

These 3 are getting water, silica, pH down and an organic tea from time to time. If calmag issues start to emerge I'll supplement but that's it. I'll let the soil and microbes do their thing and try not to get in the way

 

[Emilya Green]

I'm in for this one!

 

[Jon]

Wow BK, those look awesome! Great green and health. Very nice. And I don't think it's wishful thinking, the SB looks a little better to me too. Give her a few more days, hopefully she continues to improve.

 

[Costanza]

Looking good, nice color leaves

 

[Carmen Ray]

Babies look great BK, I'm so glad for you that you've found your mojo

 

[Bill284]

The 2 babies got a good soaking today, were last watered on the 25th. They look fantastic, and when they finish this drink in a few days I'll transplant them into their final homes, which are cooking away, I prepped them last week. BG into a 5gal and FR XXL into a 7. They both look to be starting their 3rd nodes.

Blueberry Glue day 8

Forbidden Runtz XXL day 8

Red Super Skunk, day 21. Her 5th node is almost out, should be able to top her tomorrow or the day after. She's still draining her pot, it was pretty wet at transplant. I've watered her a little per @Emilya's directions. She's the first plant that's in a layered pot ala @Bill284 style. I hope she gives me at least 8-10 more days before flowering.

These 3 are getting water, silica, pH down and an organic tea from time to time. If calmag issues start to emerge I'll supplement but that's it. I'll let the soil and microbes do their thing and try not to get in the way

God morning BK garden looks great today.
Just one thing, don't get mad at me.
You have to fill your pots my friend.
Your wasting all that prime real estate in your pot by leaving out that top 3".
It defeats the purpose of growing a big healthy root ball if you don't fill the pots.
Happy ladies though.

Stay safe
Bill

 

[BubbaKush909]

I'm in for this one!

Thanks Emmy! You've been a huge help to me already!

Wow BK, those look awesome! Great green and health. Very nice. And I don't think it's wishful thinking, the SB looks a little better to me too. Give her a few more days, hopefully she continues to improve.

Thanks @Jon! I'm wondering if bumping my light schedule might help her recover faster? I'm currently 17-7. That's assuming she will recover, maybe not totally but it's gotta get better right? The irony is that despite her problems she's growing some great looking buds already and it's only day 7.

Looking good, nice color leaves

Thank you Costanza! If I can get out of the way I think this soil will work really well, they are all a nice dark green.

Babies look great BK, I'm so glad for you that you've found your mojo

Hey Carmen thanks! My mojo seems to come and go but right now I'm feeling very positive. Thanks for stopping by!

God morning BK garden looks great today.
Just one thing, don't get mad at me.
You have to fill your pots my friend.
Your wasting all that prime real estate in your pot by leaving out that top 3".
It defeats the purpose of growing a big healthy root ball if you don't fill the pots.
Happy ladies though.

Stay safe
Bill

Good morning Bill! I welcome your input! One of the best things about prepping the pots your way is when I wet them down in advance this soil compacts and settles a bit, making it easier to fill the pots. Right now I'll be thrilled with filling what soil is there with roots, the last 3 plants harvested haven't even had what I'd call a root ball.

I have a question about runoff pH in soil. All the plants are getting watered about 6.1 pH. The SB's runoff was 7.4 a week ago, it was 7.1 yesterday. Does that tell anyone anything? The ML's goes in at 6.1 and comes out 6.2 or 3.

 

[Bill284]

Thanks Emmy! You've been a huge help to me already!



Thanks @Jon! I'm wondering if bumping my light schedule might help her recover faster? I'm currently 17-7. That's assuming she will recover, maybe not totally but it's gotta get better right? The irony is that despite her problems she's growing some great looking buds already and it's only day 7.



Thank you Costanza! If I can get out of the way I think this soil will work really well, they are all a nice dark green.


Hey Carmen thanks! My mojo seems to come and go but right now I'm feeling very positive. Thanks for stopping by!



Good morning Bill! I welcome your input! One of the best things about prepping the pots your way is when I wet them down in advance this soil compacts and settles a bit, making it easier to fill the pots. Right now I'll be thrilled with filling what soil is there with roots, the last 3 plants harvested haven't even had what I'd call a root ball.

I have a question about runoff pH in soil. All the plants are getting watered about 6.1 pH. The SB's runoff was 7.4 a week ago, it was 7.1 yesterday. Does that tell anyone anything? The ML's goes in at 6.1 and comes out 6.2 or 3.

Good morning BK
I generally don't bother measuring run off it just makes you chase your tail.
Input should be 6.3.
When you feed the volume of water makes the soil pH automatically the same as feed pH.
At 6.3 the maximum volume of nutrients becomes available immediately.
Maximizing the length of time she can eat.
What runs out and is left over usually doesn't matter.
If you had a problem you might check.

Stay safe
Bill

 

[Emilya Green]

I have a question about runoff pH in soil. All the plants are getting watered about 6.1 pH. The SB's runoff was 7.4 a week ago, it was 7.1 yesterday. Does that tell anyone anything? The ML's goes in at 6.1 and comes out 6.2 or 3.

runoff pH in soil is meaningless. Just like a coffee pot, the more runoff you allow, the weaker the mix. At what point does the pH of the runoff relate to anything going on above? Never, the reading is totally arbitrary depending on how much runoff you allowed. Also, soil allows micro organics to flow out with the water, again, much like coffee. This isn't like coco where nothing else comes out... runoff in soil is filled with all sorts of things, even the pH buffers that were in the soil above. The pH number tells you nothing about the water itself, you are also getting the pH of the sludge that came with it.

 

[Jon]

Hi @BubbaKush909, so I have to ask....where in god's name did you come up with 17/7.

Here is my extremely strong suggestion that I encourage you to adopt. Today. ASAP......
STOP MESSING AROUND WITH LIGHT HOURS, THESE ARE AUTOS. Give them 20/4 for the remainder of the grow.
This is one of the rare Jon suggestions I feel you are best off to simply trust me, do it, and don't worry about the why. It will be better, that's why.

Fair enough? I don't usually say things this strongly in terms of suggestions, as you know. That may indicate how right I know I am in this case. If anyone comes at you with a bunch of garbage about DLI and whatever else, ignore that noise. Go 20/4.

 

[Emilya Green]

Hi @BubbaKush909, so I have to ask....where in god's name did you come up with 17/7.

Here is my extremely strong suggestion that I encourage you to adopt. Today. ASAP......
STOP MESSING AROUND WITH LIGHT HOURS, THESE ARE AUTOS. Give them 20/4 for the remainder of the grow.
This is one of the rare Jon suggestions I feel you are best off to simply trust me, do it, and don't worry about the why. It will be better, that's why.

Fair enough? I don't usually say things this strongly in terms of suggestions, as you know. That may indicate how right I know I am in this case. If anyone comes at you with a bunch of garbage about DLI and whatever else, ignore that noise. Go 20/4.

I have a friend who can make his wheelchair jump up and down when he is animated. I pictured some of that going on here.

lol... that convinces me... My veg rooms should be set to 19/5 forthwith, just to be different.

 

[Jon]

I have a friend who can make his wheelchair jump up and down when he is animated. I pictured some of that going on here.

lol... that convinces me... My veg rooms should be set to 19/5 forthwith, just to be different.

Lol. Well, considering you're about to have both photos and autos in it at the same time, and if autos like 20/4 and photos like 18/6, then 19/5, despite killing my OCD bones with the odd numbers, is perfect! Best of both worlds, lol!

But hell, if you want to be different and it's just veg for the photos, why not just go 20/4? The photos will love it in veg, and the auto will be getting what it needs? Ha. This is half a joke, 19/5 or 20/4 is probably indiscernible to a plant, lol. At least in veg.

 

[BubbaKush909]

Good morning BK
I generally don't bother measuring run off it just makes you chase your tail.
Input should be 6.3.
When you feed the volume of water makes the soil pH automatically the same as feed pH.
At 6.3 the maximum volume of nutrients becomes available immediately.
Maximizing the length of time she can eat.
What runs out and is left over usually doesn't matter.
If you had a problem you might check.

Stay safe
Bill

Ok thanks Bill I thought maybe it was significant but I'm glad it's probably not. This is the first time I've ever checked it. She'll be watered again in a few hours. She's feeding like crazy right now.

runoff pH in soil is meaningless. Just like a coffee pot, the more runoff you allow, the weaker the mix. At what point does the pH of the runoff relate to anything going on above? Never, the reading is totally arbitrary depending on how much runoff you allowed. Also, soil allows micro organics to flow out with the water, again, much like coffee. This isn't like coco where nothing else comes out... runoff in soil is filled with all sorts of things, even the pH buffers that were in the soil above. The pH number tells you nothing about the water itself, you are also getting the pH of the sludge that came with it.

Jeez and here I thought I was about to start on an advanced program of diagnosing plant problems lol! Thanks Emmy and I'll ignore the runoff.

Hi @BubbaKush909, so I have to ask....where in god's name did you come up with 17/7.

Here is my extremely strong suggestion that I encourage you to adopt. Today. ASAP......
STOP MESSING AROUND WITH LIGHT HOURS, THESE ARE AUTOS. Give them 20/4 for the remainder of the grow.
This is one of the rare Jon suggestions I feel you are best off to simply trust me, do it, and don't worry about the why. It will be better, that's why.

Fair enough? I don't usually say things this strongly in terms of suggestions, as you know. That may indicate how right I know I am in this case. If anyone comes at you with a bunch of garbage about DLI and whatever else, ignore that noise. Go 20/4.

Hi @Jon! LOL I have very logical reasons why I'm at 17/7.

1 - I figured if photos only need 12 hrs of light my autos were getting 5 extra

2 - I'm all for reducing my green footprint I mean utility bills lol.

3 - I hate messing with the timer

I know you've been recommending 20/4 for quite a while. Now that it's summer I've been thinking of switching the lights to run at night like I used to do. The hottest part of the day here is probably 2pm - 6pm, so today I'll switch the lights to be off from 2-6.

I have a friend who can make his wheelchair jump up and down when he is animated. I pictured some of that going on here.

lol... that convinces me... My veg rooms should be set to 19/5 forthwith, just to be different.

I like how you think Emmy! Maybe I'll go to 19.5/4.5

Lol. Well, considering you're about to have both photos and autos in it at the same time, and if autos like 20/4 and photos like 18/6, then 19/5, despite killing my OCD bones with the odd numbers, is perfect! Best of both worlds, lol!

But hell, if you want to be different and it's just veg for the photos, why not just go 20/4? The photos will love it in veg, and the auto will be getting what it needs? Ha. This is half a joke, 19/5 or 20/4 is probably indiscernible to a plant, lol. At least in veg.

Everyone have a great day and thanks for visiting!

 

[BubbaKush909]

I've been researching N toxicity and I've read over and over that it's really hard to give a vegging plant too much N, so that makes me special

It's also commonly confused with over-watering because the symptoms are almost the same. It causes weak stems and droopy leaves. The twisting, clawing leaves and dark green almost blueish color at the tips gives it away.

Apparently there's nothing to be done except cut back on feeding and hope it gets better. So that's where we are. Since she's now in flower and they need less N in flower that may make it more difficult we'll find out.

Aside from that she looks really nice, for only being a week into flower she's budding all over the place.

Have a great evening!

 

[BubbaKush909]

Morning! Today is the first day of 20/4 up from 17/7 lighting. I did a little research on the soil I'm using last night, it's called Great Lakes Water Only Soil. Their site has FAQ's, the gist of which is don't add anything except some organic teas if you want.

Should you add calmag? NO.

Should you add any chemical supplements? NO.

Do you need to pH the water first? NO.

Overall it has very good reviews but several bad ones centered on losing seeds that were started in this soil.

Should you read this stuff before you get started? YES.

Ok they didn't have the last question I added that one lol, probably would have avoided every problem I've encountered with using this soil if I had done so.

Despite what they say I will continue to pH down since my tap water is over 9 on the pH scale. But no more calmag or silica. I stopped the calmag last week and will stop the silica immediately.

Lots of the comments mentioned how well it worked with autos. Looks like if you're growing photos you may need to supplement the nutes later in the grow but I should have no need of that. Live and learn my friends.

 

[BubbaKush909]

This morning when I looked at the plants for the first time in a while I really do think the Strawberry Banana is looking better. Some of her droopy fans were covering buds. A better grower would find a way to tuck or support them but I just chopped them - the 2 remaining big fans plus one more. She still has way more leaves than I'm used to leaving.

Straw-Banana day 35, flower day 8.

Blueberry Glue day 10

Forbidden Runtz XXL day 10

Red Super Skunk day 23, think I can top her today, the 6th node is out but it's so damn tight in there. She's also exhibiting minor signs of excess N imo, turned down leaf tips with the deep green color. I'll watch it but I'm not worried at the moment.

 

[BubbaKush909]

Last but not least is the Mimosa Lemon. The calmag problems don't appear to have gotten any worse, she was watered for the first time yesterday since her flush a week ago. She's starting to slow down, I'm guesstimating 2 more weeks.

She's about the size I'm shooting for. I think she'll be around 2.5 - 3 z's.

Mimosa Lemon day 65, flower 41

Thanks for stopping by & have a great day!