B.I.D. 3.0 Video Grow - JDL600 - Coco - GLR - 400WMH - Tent

[donpaul.p]

Re: B.I.D. 3.0 Video Grow - BPN - JDL600 - Coco - GLR - 400WMH - Multi-Strain Tent Pa

im also interested in these v scrogs, i have a spare cupboard thats 3ft by 3ft and floor to ceiling high so im going to take a clone when my plants are further in flower, then it will be re-veg, this will give me a monster cropped clone, which after trying it last time im pleased with the results, the growth after its back in veg is explosive, i have never seen a plant with so many branches, all the branches have many nodes, and each time a new leaf grows it then turns into another branch, so im thinking monster cropping is going to be a good idea for a scrog, when compared to a normal clone the growth on the monster cropped clone is crazy, its covered in branches and keeps on growing lots of branches, so from now on im only going to take clones when im past day 21 of flower, the results are amazing, and now i have seen what happens in flower and the amount of bud sites i have really does make it worth doing, it takes a week or 2 to reveg it but under 24-0 its not no problem and it soon catchs up and grows quicker than the normal clones, i dont actually think ill take any clones now that are not well into flower, im so impressed with the growth and the amount of branches that it can only mean more buds for me to enjoy

 

[BigIrishDoode]

Re: B.I.D. 3.0 Video Grow - BPN - JDL600 - Coco - GLR - 400WMH - Multi-Strain Tent Pa

v-scrog wonder twin powers "ACTIVATE!!!"


so yeah i was defiantly planning on leaning on you a bit for this one ICE ! i figure your the vscrog guy i like the height control ,before i was concerned about what to do if you get a sick plant or need to yank it for some reason but now i think the benefits outweigh the negatives ,i was also very into the sog thing but i need to keep my count under control 24 in our case but when you take clone/veg/flower its not enough for a decent sog so scrog is the anwser and also for growing those lanky sativas,something i want but have been avoiding since im in tents for now im hoping to have a room this winter so i can run both my 600watt jdl's im dreaming of a 1200watt big ol flower rm,,
so what you were saying bout bending them down did you mean to get the top below the lower level of the scrog or just relative to that branch? i cant wait to see the screen all full of purple buds i have been thinking one of my purps could win potm be it past present or future they are hardcore beautiful, its just amazing to unzip the tent and be greeted with that purple smell and gorgeous flowers they have an all together different odor than any other plant i have grown not like cannabis at all!

 

[BigIrishDoode]

Re: B.I.D. 3.0 Video Grow - BPN - JDL600 - Coco - GLR - 400WMH - Multi-Strain Tent Pa

im also interested in these v scrogs, i have a spare cupboard thats 3ft by 3ft and floor to ceiling high so im going to take a clone when my plants are further in flower, then it will be re-veg, this will give me a monster cropped clone, which after trying it last time im pleased with the results, the growth after its back in veg is explosive, i have never seen a plant with so many branches, all the branches have many nodes, and each time a new leaf grows it then turns into another branch, so im thinking monster cropping is going to be a good idea for a scrog, when compared to a normal clone the growth on the monster cropped clone is crazy, its covered in branches and keeps on growing lots of branches, so from now on im only going to take clones when im past day 21 of flower, the results are amazing, and now i have seen what happens in flower and the amount of bud sites i have really does make it worth doing, it takes a week or 2 to reveg it but under 24-0 its not no problem and it soon catchs up and grows quicker than the normal clones, i dont actually think ill take any clones now that are not well into flower, im so impressed with the growth and the amount of branches that it can only mean more buds for me to enjoy

yup im my first journal i talked about the power and usefulness of the flowering clone, you dont have to keep a mother and due to the low nitrogen content of the plants they root quickly i dont think after day 21 they root as fast in my opinion day 20-22 is the perfect time for flowering clones, fo many years i only did flowering clones
and i think after doing mothers and seperate veg /flower/clone areas and all the hastle involved im going to go back to some of my old tried and true ways it was easier and i had more time for other things not having to mix nutes multiple times for plants in different stages constantly trimming mothers etc etc and with 2 tents i can flower more plants and strains im on the quest to find the perfect strains for my conditions this will give me faster results!
vscrog or scrog is defo the way to go with limited space i have tried about every method of height control there is and this maked some damn good sense with less constant trimming/bending/fimming/topping/lst/supercropping/etc



can you guys tell im having another one of my freak out and change everything im getting overwhelmed times??? yea its happ'n lol spiffy looked at me when she got home the night i did the v and said "its time again huh?" i said with beads of sweat rolling down my round face in a fervent manner and voice "yup i want my life back!! i miss you and mw3!!" lol

 

[BigIrishDoode]

Re: B.I.D. 3.0 Video Grow - BPN - JDL600 - Coco - GLR - 400WMH - Multi-Strain Tent Pa

couple new pics from a few min ago after w days of scroggin it up

 

[spiffy]

Re: B.I.D. 3.0 Video Grow - BPN - JDL600 - Coco - GLR - 400WMH - Multi-Strain Tent Pa

What is crazy about that purple #1 is I all but killed it. BID has done a wonderful job bringing it back from the dead. I wish I had the time to grow plants like he does, I should say all you guys. I have seen some impressive plants on this site even if I have not said so.

 

[jandre2k3]

Re: B.I.D. 3.0 Video Grow - BPN - JDL600 - Coco - GLR - 400WMH - Multi-Strain Tent Pa

curso~ welcome aboard theres no too late in my house/tent only happy your here
hell we're really just getting started i just finished up a few straglers and a small experiment on veg time in a 2L hempy the real show just kicked off!

I hear 1812 Overture!!

 

[SurfBuddy]

Re: B.I.D. 3.0 Video Grow - BPN - JDL600 - Coco - GLR - 400WMH - Multi-Strain Tent Pa

I like the 2L lean over! Mine is getting fat nugs on all the sites.. popcorn be gone!

 

[BigIrishDoode]

Re: B.I.D. 3.0 Video Grow - BPN - JDL600 - Coco - GLR - 400WMH - Multi-Strain Tent Pa

What is crazy about that purple #1 is I all but killed it. BID has done a wonderful job bringing it back from the dead. I wish I had the time to grow plants like he does, I should say all you guys. I have seen some impressive plants on this site even if I have not said so.

yes she reads alot of journals over my shoulder and contributes to comments made by me,you may not see her but shes here!

I hear 1812 Overture!!

depends on how your hearing it meaning wise is it the USA adopted idea that its USA's victory against the British Empire during the War of 1812? or its original meaning where Tchaikovsky actually tells the story of Napoleon's retreat from Russia in 1812? in either case its a rousing piece Tchaikovsky was hired to write that filled his coffers and to this day serves to entertain ppl the world over i defo love Tchaikovsky

I like the 2L lean over! Mine is getting fat nugs on all the sites.. popcorn be gone!

yup i use the lay down technique for a few things its a great way to collect pollen, and as you have discovered is great to get light where you want it

 

[Heirloom]

Re: B.I.D. 3.0 Video Grow - BPN - JDL600 - Coco - GLR - 400WMH - Multi-Strain Tent Pa

yup i use the lay down technique for a few things its a great way to collect pollen, and as you have discovered is great to get light where you want it

Well there it is. The new thing I learned for today.

 

[BigIrishDoode]

Re: B.I.D. 3.0 Video Grow - BPN - JDL600 - Coco - GLR - 400WMH - Multi-Strain Tent Pa

well im having a small problem my temps are outta control in the flower tent i noticed it was high so i checked the memory on the therm and i have hit 100.3 at some point so i thought it might be the carbon scrubber pre filter was dirty i removed the hose and let it run no filter for 30 min it only went down 3 degrees thus far now i have backed off the light feom the 110% setting to 100 next up 75% then 50% then i guess cfl or some 3&4 ft fluros i have its hitting well over 100f outside it cost us a bloody fortune to cool this house last month ,,my question is how much wiil they suffer in production if i can only run 50% of my 600watt hps? if i move it closer will it make up for lower output?

 

[BigIrishDoode]

Re: B.I.D. 3.0 Video Grow - BPN - JDL600 - Coco - GLR - 400WMH - Multi-Strain Tent Pa

nothing yet huh? ok im going to 50% now hope my crop wont be ruined by this

 

[BigIrishDoode]

Re: B.I.D. 3.0 Video Grow - BPN - JDL600 - Coco - GLR - 400WMH - Multi-Strain Tent Pa

ways to combat heat?? co2? humidity/misting? good bad? yes i know i need a cooltube,bigger inline,bigger tent,im looking at no cost to very little cost options diy stuff humidity was at 13% got it up to 35% by watering and misting a little 1/4 strength "alaska liguid kelp" (from homey dee) and r/o water, got it down to 82f in there but i fear it wont last and is not long term im only 10 days into the cycle! and the world wont cool down in my zone any time soon! my temps never got this high before in the tent, but i do know p#1 will stop growing then hermie after the temps get better, this is frustrating the tents were supposed to be a solution to my problems and it seems even tho i got the supposed big enough cfm fan as stated by the manufacturer its not working, the temp in the room where the tent is runs 72-78f...argh! gotta go run errands bbl

 

[Heirloom]

Re: B.I.D. 3.0 Video Grow - BPN - JDL600 - Coco - GLR - 400WMH - Multi-Strain Tent Pa

A fan that has a wet towel just in front of it? Hang the towel in front of a fan, leaving a good section of the towel sitting in a pan of water. It should wic moisture and dissipate as cool moist air.

Just an off the top idea.

 

[jandre2k3]

Re: B.I.D. 3.0 Video Grow - BPN - JDL600 - Coco - GLR - 400WMH - Multi-Strain Tent Pa

First, The ORIGINAL MEANING as was written by Tchaikovsky. Also the use in V for Vendetta as a soundtrack for blowing up the Old Bailey.


Second, temps are bad if they STAY at 100. I run between 82 and 90 must days and have put that high temp to good use: CO2 enrichment! The higher temps are needed to increase transpiration to consume the CO2.

I also like the swamp cooler that Heirloom suggested. If you get too worried about it I would suggest trying this, UNLESS your RH tight now is higher than 40%. If so, you're gonna have to eat the A/C bill, I'm afraid if you're uncomfortable with temps in the 90's.

 

[spiffy]

Re: B.I.D. 3.0 Video Grow - BPN - JDL600 - Coco - GLR - 400WMH - Multi-Strain Tent Pa

A fan that has a wet towel just in front of it? Hang the towel in front of a fan, leaving a good section of the towel sitting in a pan of water. It should wic moisture and dissipate as cool moist air.

Just an off the top idea.

I like this idea but if the temps do not go down then wouldn't it just cause the humidity to go up and then in turn cause the over all temp to rise? I may be wrong about this all together but, when I lived on the coast the temp outside would be what you would think is comfortable but with the humidity it would be unbearable would this not be the same thing in a tent with the plants?

 

[jandre2k3]

Re: B.I.D. 3.0 Video Grow - BPN - JDL600 - Coco - GLR - 400WMH - Multi-Strain Tent Pa

I like this idea but if the temps do not go down then wouldn't it just cause the humidity to go up and then in turn cause the over all temp to rise? I may be wrong about this all together but, when I lived on the coast the temp outside would be what you would think is comfortable but with the humidity it would be unbearable would this not be the same thing in a tent with the plants?

In certain areas of this country, they employ what is called a swamp cooler to control temps inside the house. Water effectively strips heat from the surrounding air as it evaporates. I have been in several houses that use this type of A/C and can attest to their effectiveness.

However, like you said, humidity does add to the "Heat Index" or how hot it actually feels. This reference of heat does not effect plants in the same way it does mammals that perspire. Please indulge me for a moment whilst I explain.

In humid areas of the world, it feels hotter to us because of the copious amounts of sweat that is present and does not evaporate quickly because of the humidity. We are accustomed to being dry and comfortable, and as such, when soaked with sweat, we get very uncomfortable, and suddenly notice that it is hot because the sweat is not evaporating and cooling the body as fast as it does in drier climes.

I have lived in places that have a very low RH most of the year, and thus, the "Feels Like" temperature is lower than the actual temperature because of the heat index. Imagine this: 115F at 5% RH. Your sweat evaporates very quickly and you don't notice the heat as much as if the RH was at say 40%. This is actually a very dangerous heat that can cause death if not heeded. When you sweat it evaporates and cools the body, so you don't notice how hot it really is, so you stay out longer, and can dehydrate very quickly because of the water loss through the sweat... bad juju...

All that said, a swamp cooler, or evaporative air conditioner can actually lower the air temperature considerably, just as evaporating sweat can lower the body's temperature. Granted is is not as effective as refrigerant, but I have been in houses with swamp coolers that are as much as 30 degrees cooler than the outside. Yes, it is more humid inside, but with the cooled air moving by the fan, it is much more comfortable than the same humidity at 30 degrees higher outside.

In this instance, the fan would be blowing air that has been cooled by the evaporating water from the towel over the plants. If RH in the area is low, the danger of fungus is low as well. HOWEVER, if the RH in the area is above 40%, a swamp cooler would NOT BE RECOMMENDED for use in this situation. For one, it would not be as effective as in drier climate, and two, it will raise the RH around the plants to well over 60%. Warm, moist air is a haven for airborne fungus, and will cause bud rot in the flowering stage.

 

[BigIrishDoode]

Re: B.I.D. 3.0 Video Grow - BPN - JDL600 - Coco - GLR - 400WMH - Multi-Strain Tent Pa

goodstuff jandre we live in a very harsh environment right now its hitting over 100 every day the rh is better since it started raining horrendously a few times a week but the average rh in the tent is 13% ,we have extremes here winter can see 20 below 0 the wind blows like a hurricane most all year to the point that trees for the most part grow slanted unless measures are taken to prevent it, we have a red flag warning more often than not, Chicago the windy city my butt lol it got so bad last year i packed a box of important papers meds etc and got in my truck and waited for my house to start blowing apart!! it didnt thankfully but we did lose a big dumpster and many outdoor type items, small children have to be carried! outdoor gardens have to be protected the good part is the high winds ease up during the stupid hot stupid dry summers and during the stupid cold/dry winters so it has some intense challenges growing here even indoors cuz no matter how good your a/c swamp heat woodstove are or how well built your home shed trailor garage your going to deal with it lol
im going to build a co2 generator today and take a negative and hopefully turn it into a positive seems running the 600 at 300 brings my temps down to 88-92f i have to work with that the ac is running at 72 i cant bring myself to adjust it any lower hopefully running the lights lower will save on the bill some, i also cut back the 400 to 200 thats running veg, but im building a screen in there with nylon cord and flipping it to flower too (a matter of turning of the extra 1 hour in glr) i may need to run rge 400 at full power to flower but that tent seems to stay much cooler despite being smaller and only having a fart fan for exhaust! dont know what thats about...
im pretty sure i want more airpots the plant in one is looking good and i have been reading up on them seems they are the way to go for this high brix thing and better plant health they grow massive fruit bearing trees in them,that normally cant be grown in pots, seems yield is better too
yesterday i found a 50 lb bag of azomite,got some more worm gold with lava rock and kelp,and this new company soil secrets that is real close to the high brix re mineralization method i got their myko blend "earth nectar"
i started a microbe tea with it before bed last night and buy this morning its already looking alive, i love this living soil thing and seeing the plants get closer and closer to living in perfect soil,im even starting to see a little hibrix shine
got another pump sprayer and nylon cord! thats pretty much it for the moment, much more study and research to do

 

[Heirloom]

Re: B.I.D. 3.0 Video Grow - BPN - JDL600 - Coco - GLR - 400WMH - Multi-Strain Tent Pa

A great question by spiffy, and the perfect answer by jandre2k3. Clearly you guys don't need me!

However, exactly what I was mimicking, a swamp cooler. I figured if I used that term it would conjure up all sorts of visions. Just wanted a fast and nasty home remedy for BID.

 

[BigIrishDoode]

Re: B.I.D. 3.0 Video Grow - BPN - JDL600 - Coco - GLR - 400WMH - Multi-Strain Tent Pa

i knew them as swamp coolers all my life not till i was an adult did i hear the term evaporative cooler , your input is most welcome and wanted Heirloom the more the merrier!

 

[jandre2k3]

Re: B.I.D. 3.0 Video Grow - BPN - JDL600 - Coco - GLR - 400WMH - Multi-Strain Tent Pa

A great question by spiffy, and the perfect answer by jandre2k3. Clearly you guys don't need me!

However, exactly what I was mimicking, a swamp cooler. I figured if I used that term it would conjure up all sorts of visions. Just wanted a fast and nasty home remedy for BID.

And it was an excellent suggestion. Some people haven't even heard of evaporative cooling much less experienced the cooling to be had with simply blowing air through a water-soaked membrane. You were the original poster of the idea, so you ARE needed here, and I thank you for the idea because I was at a loss for an inexpensive way to cool the space. Well done, and if I can I will rep you for it. I think I already have, though.

BAH! "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Heirloom again."