Icemud's Organic SCROG! Grow 3.0

[Smokemupm8]

Hi Ice, How are ya??
Hope all has been well.. I was just looking at the washing of your buds due to PM, it must be a real piss off to see that on ur buds and plant.. Whats the main cause?? I thankfully havent had it yet,knock on wood!, is it due to RH?? Cos if that plays a part in it that may be why i havent seen it yet as my RH is not usually above 50% for long.
That technique for washing em seems best to me but having to wash your buds must have been a little scary!! I mean essentially, its kinda like a very wet day for the plant!! Once shaken off and aerated it should be fine to dry, but is there any major loss of trichs due to washing em?? Cheers bro, have a good one!! Smokemup

 

[1970s Grower]

I am finally up to date from my last read in May. I have nothing to offer with regard to your PM other than moral support. I cannot imagine the horror you must have felt as this progressed. You did a great job reacting to it in order to minimize your damage. You still have an awesome grow and should be proud of it.

 

[Sirsmokezalot]

Thanks for that reply Ice...I been looking and reading around for sum time now soaking up all I can B4 I start my own
Good look wit ur pm issue hope all goes well.. Peace bud brotha

 

[Icemud]

Hi Ice, How are ya??
Hope all has been well.. I was just looking at the washing of your buds due to PM, it must be a real piss off to see that on ur buds and plant.. Whats the main cause?? I thankfully havent had it yet,knock on wood!, is it due to RH?? Cos if that plays a part in it that may be why i havent seen it yet as my RH is not usually above 50% for long.
That technique for washing em seems best to me but having to wash your buds must have been a little scary!! I mean essentially, its kinda like a very wet day for the plant!! Once shaken off and aerated it should be fine to dry, but is there any major loss of trichs due to washing em?? Cheers bro, have a good one!! Smokemup

PM is caused by a spore, landing on the leaf, shooting a tube into the plant and spreading throughout the plant... PM is caused by PM... either a sick plant, or a nearby host plant that lets spores loose is what infects your plant... the environment merely provides a place for the mildew to grow under the right circumstances... Usually environment needs to be of a higher humidity 60%+ is where PM loves to thive, and in 70F-80F is the ideal temperatures as well.. however PM can also grow in low humidity or low temps... but it is much less likely. Some plants have a natural resistance to PM, but some don't so the plants that are not immune to it, may get infected very easily...

So to get PM, all you need is a spore, the right conditions (mid temps, high humidity and poor airflow) , and a plant that doesn't have resistance... and thats the formula for PM...

As far as the washing of the buds... It is removing quite a bit of the PM, but I can still see it, If I were to guess it is removing a good 80% of the PM that is visible, but I hardly doubt that It will remove all of it...

 

[Icemud]

I am finally up to date from my last read in May. I have nothing to offer with regard to your PM other than moral support. I cannot imagine the horror you must have felt as this progressed. You did a great job reacting to it in order to minimize your damage. You still have an awesome grow and should be proud of it.

Hey 70s grower...glad to have ya back and very much appreciate the moral support can't wait to watch your new journal grow!!!

 

[Icemud]

i just love Jorges vids he makes you smile like ol bob ross and those golly darn happy trees!!

Yeah he is very entertaining to watch as well as informative... you can tell he absolutely loves what he does He definitely gets smile crackin while trees happen

 

[BigIrishDoode]

yeah 70s is a real asset to the site!
and jc makes me grin the whole time i watch his vids hes like a big kid around buds its great!

 

[Icemud]

Day 65 Flowering...

Well I have to say, I am not much of a fan of this water curing as I only let the buds sit 2 days in r/o water and within 1 day the buds were completely dry at a RH of 50% ???!!!! I couldn't believe it, I mean from sopping wet buds to competely bone dry in 1 day... Not a fan of fast drying at all.... well, this is going to make curing the buds really hard because there virtually is no moisture in them, so each time I open the jars I breathe a little moist air into the jars and then close them back up hoping to help them gain a little moisture back...but doesn't seem to be working...

Also, the Jorge Cervantez method of "washing away PM" doesn't work.... It may sterilize the buds and kill the mold, but it does not "wash it away" at all... I mean maybe 50% of it on a lucky day but I not only soaked the buds and washed them off like the video, but also added some H2O2 to my jars during the water cure, and even to go as far as giving them a good shake every few hours to help wash it off... but as the buds dried, you definitely can still see the PM and through a 30x lupe... its very very noticeable....

I did read that so far there is no evidence of smoking PM being harmful unless you have mold allergies, but I haven't really found any data saying that it has no harmful effects either.. So I guess I am going to smoke some and see how it goes.. I know I have most likely smoked PM coated buds when I lived in Chicago, but I guess the "knowing" factor makes it a little worse... Lets see what happens...

I did try a small bowl of the platinum bubba today...PM and all. I packed up my double perk roor, sparked it and the bud is pretty smooth, but not much for flavor at all, I mean a very slight weed taste with more of the "green" taste than anything. I did notice that I did get a nice medium buzz from the bowl, but definitely not up to the caliber that I am used to smoking... I only go top shelf kushes usually Oh well, it might be great for some blunts or joints after it sits in the jar a while

So I weighed the sour bubble and the 1st platinum bubba and I am extremely disappointed at what the yields were.... especially for a 2+ month veg and a scrog... very very disappointed...I do contribute a lot of it to the PM, but still wow I'm shocked...

So dry...the sour bubble I harvested a whopping 18grams...that's it!!! a little over 1/2 ounce!!! very very very disappointing!!!

And the platinum bubba dry weighed out to only 28 grams... 1 oz...thats it!!! That is freaking pathetic!!! PM or not!!!

Here is the 2 in the jars curing and some close ups... sour bubble left, platinum bubba right

Sour bubble wet from watercure yesterday!

Sour bubble 1 day later dry as a bone

Close up of platinum bubba dry... (notice the white PM still on the buds)

I know that these were my 2 smallest plants, especially when next to my towering silverback og, and they also were the PM plants...but I am completely shocked that is all i got... I am really hoping that the blackberry kush, silverback og and holy grail produce... I think my only true good plant this round is the blackberry kush.... all the others either got PM, or soil/nutrient lockup....

I can't wait for this grow to just be over and to start my next round, but I am going to give the silverback a fair chance to finish as well as the blackberry...

I will be pulling the other Platinum Bubba within the next day or 2 because the PM is just taking over and she is not growing anymore...I most likely will try a much stronger concentration of H2O2 on the wash to see if it helps knock the PM away...

I also fed the girls today... I gave them 5 gallons of r/o water with:

30ml hygrozyme
40ml organic b
25ml carboload
50ml GO cal/mag



Here are today's photos...

Blackberry Kush

Platinum Bubba

Holy Grail OG

Silverback OG

 

[Heirloom]

Have not thought it all the way through, but what comes to mind on rehydrating is do your technique and try out those Boveda Micro Humidipak 62% two way humidity control pack things? Maybe those will hold that batch just right???

 

[Icemud]

Have not thought it all the way through, but what comes to mind on rehydrating is do your technique and try out those Boveda Micro Humidipak 62% two way humidity control pack things? Maybe those will hold that batch just right???

Yeah tomorrow I am going to see if the local smoke shops/cigar shops have them in stock..used them before and they work pretty good.

 

[Vapedogg223]

Well I have to say, I am not much of a fan of this water curing as I only let the buds sit 2 days in r/o water and within 1 day the buds were completely dry at a RH of 50% ???!!!! I couldn't believe it, I mean from sopping wet buds to competely bone dry in 1 day... Not a fan of fast drying at all.... well, this is going to make curing the buds really hard because there virtually is no moisture in them, so each time I open the jars I breathe a little moist air into the jars and then close them back up hoping to help them gain a little moisture back...but doesn't seem to be working...

I'm not sure there's any point in trying to slowly dry water cured buds...I might be wrong, but I'll explain my thought process.

As I've always understood it, the whole point of slow drying and curing is to allow the plant's metabolic processes to continue after harvest until they slowly come to a halt many weeks later. It's these processes that break down the starches, sugars, and chlorophyll which yields us a smoother smoke.

Once the buds dry too much, the plant's metabolic processes stop...at this point all the cells dead, so rehydrating to the proper RH can't restart the curing process.

Now I've always understood a water cure to also quickly kill the cells and then start leaching anything water soluble out of the plant and into the water. I was also just thinking the H₂O₂ should speed up this killing!

If it were me I'd just chuck them in a jar with a Humidipak and forget about it...I don't know...I'm medicated so I'm sure I'm thinking way to much into it, but that's what was going through my head.

 

[Hash Hound]

Ice,

I feel your pain.

I had a little incident with outdoor bud rot today.

I put 4 clones out side on April 1st which is 2 months early in my neck of the woods. Normally I plant last week of May.
They were already heading into some good bud formation because the day light is still so short I guess. Mid June I checked on them and was almost tempted to pick them before someone spotted or smelled them. They were very very aromatic. I could smell them 30 ft away. I figured I'll give them 2 more weeks til the end of June.

Anyway 2 days after I checked a bad storm takes down a huge tree that falls on a fence that falls on the plants. Here I am 6 weeks later and I get the tree off and fix the fence and the poor plant was smashed down at the base of the fence. And it was at least 50% destroyed by bud rot. We were in a drought, but the last 2 weeks we have had a few of those 1 hour storms that dump an inch of rain in an hour. I guess it was getting light under the fence, but not enough to dry out.

And besides that 3 of the other plants were nowhere to be found and one was the biggest. I think between the day I checked and day of the storm I was ripped off.

I pruned up the rest of the plant that wasn't affected and am quick drying it and some with minimum rot that I clipped away is getting water cured.

 

[Icemud]

I'm not sure there's any point in trying to slowly dry water cured buds...I might be wrong, but I'll explain my thought process.

As I've always understood it, the whole point of slow drying and curing is to allow the plant's metabolic processes to continue after harvest until they slowly come to a halt many weeks later. It's these processes that break down the starches, sugars, and chlorophyll which yields us a smoother smoke.

Once the buds dry too much, the plant's metabolic processes stop...at this point all the cells dead, so rehydrating to the proper RH can't restart the curing process.

Now I've always understood a water cure to also quickly kill the cells and then start leaching anything water soluble out of the plant and into the water. I was also just thinking the H₂O₂ should speed up this killing!

If it were me I'd just chuck them in a jar with a Humidipak and forget about it...I don't know...I'm medicated so I'm sure I'm thinking way to much into it, but that's what was going through my head.

Great advice Vape!

 

[Heirloom]

Thanks for your thoughts on that Vape, I have not come to understand the entire drying/curing process yet. You have given me things to search and learn about during my medicated interwebz time.

Since I suffer from 'can't remember $h!t' syndrome I keep a tablet next to the computer with things to investigate. It helps.

 

[Smokemupm8]

Ok cool thanks for your input! Yeah i m sorry i didnt know if it was something that started as a result of humidity or sumfin? I have only heard about PM and only until recently watchin what s going on with this and the video on rinsing out PM from ur buds..
If it clears most of it up and the buds are able to be smoked without being harsh or lacking THC, then grouse! I thought tho if the buds are rinsed in the solution and left too long wouldnt it affect the TRICHS?? I know it s probably not that different from the plant gettin a heavy soaking rain, as long as theyre shaken off and dried in whatever method must be used for that, well least ya saved some weed and its not all just wasted Goodluk bro, take care.. SMOKEMUP

 

[Icemud]

Thanks for your thoughts on that Vape, I have not come to understand the entire drying/curing process yet. You have given me things to search and learn about during my medicated interwebz time.

Since I suffer from 'can't remember $h!t' syndrome I keep a tablet next to the computer with things to investigate. It helps.

I like that phrase "cant remember shiz syndrome I think I suffer from that time to time as well

 

[Icemud]

Well everyone, I just packed a bowl of the sour bubble and overall I am pretty impressed at a 2 day water cure and 1 day drying, 1 day jarred the smoke is very smooth on the lungs, but is a little harsh on the back of the throat. The taste is of a very very sweet perfume soap flavor with a piney undertone, actually pretty impressive.... as for the high it comes on slightly fast, not right away first hit like some, but after the 3rd toke I definitely feel it quite a bit.. Its a very clean functional high with a sort of visual effect where it seems like your eyes are further back in your head than they are... (best way I could describe it. ) but very floaty, clear and enjoyable to say the least. The buds also smell very different than other's that I have had in the past, I don't really know how to describe it besides if you mixed a fine cigar with a light perfume.

 

[1970s Grower]

With regard to the low weight.... you harvested early right? The last 10 days to 2 weeks buds can triple in weight yet they don't get much bigger... they just get dense. If you harvested these early I would not be concerned about the low yield. Enjoy the cerebral high you get with early harvested buds.

 

[Icemud]

With regard to the low weight.... you harvested early right? The last 10 days to 2 weeks buds can triple in weight yet they don't get much bigger... they just get dense. If you harvested these early I would not be concerned about the low yield. Enjoy the cerebral high you get with early harvested buds.

I definitely got to say it is very much a cerebral high with both of the plants I have already pulled. They definitely are more of a mind elevation than a couchlock which is nice for a daytime smoke I am still hoping for a good yield off my Silverback og (should be about a qp) and the blackberry which should give me at least 2-3 oz so that will be a pretty good harvest

 

[Icemud]

Hey Everyone!!

Today is day 69 of flowering and things are looking ok...still overall I am very disappointed in this grow and the only one that turned out right is my blackberry kush, but still I have some hope for the remaining plants. I went out to the store and finally got myself some commercial powdery mildew control products. I picked up Serenade which is a bio-fungicide which contains a bacteria that attacks the PM, I also picked up a Copper soap spray which also is a good preventative measure (not using this grow but for next one) and also picked up a organic calcium spray and bloom booster which contains bloom hormones... for next grow

Other than that I will be feeding the girls in the next 2-3 days with pure water flush.. with sugars and carbos

Here are the photo's for today...

Full Tent Views

Platinum bubba Kush

Silverback OG

Holy Grail OG

Blackberry Kush