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Hps burn more efficiently so you get more lumens per watt burned. But the trade off is heat, they put out a bunch! It's a bit of a toss up, you can do real good with cfl's, check out my grow, I've got some sour diesel flowering under 5000k cfl's and they are doing great!

Sorry, I know you've asked this questions a couple times and no one is giving you a straight yes or no. But that's because nothing is written in stone. Every case is a little different and it may not work as well for you as it does for me. There are no absolute right or wrongs, just a bunch of "well maybe this will help a little more"s. I doubt either will make much difference to your grow, you need to get as much light in there as you can.

Multiple cfl's can help you in positioning, place them near a particular plant, or a particular bud. It's all a guess and a little personal opinion. I can tell you what worked for me, but that may not hold true for you for some other variable that neither of us knows right now.

ok you convince me lol .. if anything i guess i will just get more cfls since they dont really make alot of heat also .. i was just thinking of using the other hps just in flowering but guess i just do my first grow then see about the lighting after ...i know exactly what you mean really depend on the grow room but im just trying to make sure i get 2 oz and up off 3 plants since i have 2 brothers and we smoke .. thanks though man i should be starting my grow soon and posting up a link :) .. another question .. what nutes do you recommend just looking for part A grow and part B bloom nothing to expensive or other additives since im on a budget ..
 
ok you convince me lol .. if anything i guess i will just get more cfls since they dont really make alot of heat also .. i was just thinking of using the other hps just in flowering but guess i just do my first grow then see about the lighting after ...i know exactly what you mean really depend on the grow room but im just trying to make sure i get 2 oz and up off 3 plants since i have 2 brothers and we smoke .. thanks though man i should be starting my grow soon and posting up a link :) .. another question .. what nutes do you recommend just looking for part A grow and part B bloom nothing to expensive or other additives since im on a budget ..

I've been using Advanced Nutrients. I don't know if they are better than others or even cheaper. But they seem to be a pretty average price, not too pricey. I used the Stealth dry nutes for grow, butI'll be moving to Advanced for my next. They are a two part system, Sensi Grow A&B and then Sensi Bloom A&B. They are all around $15/liter, pretty good price. In flower I've been adding Big Bud, kind of pricey at $40/liter, and Liquid Carbo Load, $25/ liter. There are a ton of other additives you can use, but I'm not convinced they do much more than line the nute company's pocket.

I like the Advanced partly because they hold the pH pretty well. Mine never varies a bit, but that may have more to do with my water. I have heard of some pH fluctuation from other growers, but I've heard many good things too.
 
I've been using Advanced Nutrients. I don't know if they are better than others or even cheaper. But they seem to be a pretty average price, not too pricey. I used the Stealth dry nutes for grow, butI'll be moving to Advanced for my next. They are a two part system, Sensi Grow A&B and then Sensi Bloom A&B. They are all around $15/liter, pretty good price. In flower I've been adding Big Bud, kind of pricey at $40/liter, and Liquid Carbo Load, $25/ liter. There are a ton of other additives you can use, but I'm not convinced they do much more than line the nute company's pocket.

I like the Advanced partly because they hold the pH pretty well. Mine never varies a bit, but that may have more to do with my water. I have heard of some pH fluctuation from other growers, but I've heard many good things too.

cool thanks man .. can you give me a link to a picture so i can see if they have it in one of my locals hydro shop or a web link would be helpful :thanks:
 
So I went was looking around to my local hydro store today. I was looking to buy a variable speed control for my fan (which I did; The Speedster). I asked if they had any samples. They hooked me up with a 100ml sample of Atami Bloombastic. Anyone tried this stuff? I have seen it before, and the price was always outrageous. Reading up on it, the product sounds pretty good.

Once again, any feedback is great. If you've never used it, but know someone who has, that is cool too! Now I always ask for free samples, and sometimes it pays off.
 
im growing in the SH reservoir .. i also have cfls side lighting but i was wondering will it be better and increase my yield if i just get another hps 150w sun system since i can get it at a good price?? .. and got alot of head room 5 feet height .. and was also gonna do sum LST .. thanks for all the help btw :peace:

JonnyBtreed is a very cool member here. He has a journal (JonnyBtreed's basement or something like that) in it, he has a real trick trellis looking design. I haven't asked him much about it, but something you might want to check out.

It helps yield. I do not do it personally, and it is not needed. But it would help. Maybe something to think about for future grows! That's all.

If heat isn't an issue, another 150w wouldn't hurt! There is such thing as too much light, but its HARD to acheive. I'd give it a try if it's cheap and easy for you.

LST is great canopy management. Used with topping or fimming and you can have some BUSHY plants!

And don't mention it. More then willing to help anyone get started providing their own meds!

Hey Deep Water Culture

Anyone here grow a ww/blueberry cross? I am right now. Things are looking healthy. Plants are about 12" tall on day 32. I am just wondering if, with this strain, I should veg 5 or 6 weeks. Right now, I am leaning toward 5, but if someone has experience with the strain and want's to talk me into 6, I'm listening.

More specifically, they are Blue Venom from G13 labs.

Peace

Sam

Longer the veg, more yield.

Do you have the headroom?

Maybe some proper LST ? Bend the girl over!

How tall are they now?

no i dont have a journal rp might do next time i will just give people a quick update on here once a week as for photos of the autos no worries i do my res change saturday so i'll take some then. i will be flowering under hps only 1 baby i need as much bud production as pos i do give the lights 1 night off so i should have said 24/6 me and the girlfriend split the electric bill so i dont mind that much she's paying towards my hobbie little darling :roorrip: peace

No worries. I don't have one either! I just don't have the time. And I prefer to surf and answer questions. I also use this thread to show pics of what I am doing. So I hope you do the same! We all love pics and updates. And you can always come here to ask a question.

Lights one night off huh? Never heard of that. Generally you want the same light schedule each day. 24 hours of darkness will begin to trigger the plants auxins to start flowering. Then the light comes back on for 24 hours... and the Auxins are told to veg. Poor plants is confused! This might slow down some growth. I do not know this for a fact. Like I said, I have never heard of taking a day off. During flower, it would not matter as much. The lights coming back on would only be one for 12 hours. So the plant will stay in the flower state.

I would suggest going to an 18/6 light schedule. That is 18 hours on, 6 hours off, every day. A light timer will help keep the lights coming on and going off at the same time each day. This will help keep the plant from becoming "confused".

Just something to think about. Not that you are wrong, but just something I am not familiar with. Just wanted to say something here.

Yeah thats what i tell the wife i enjoy a good bowl of some good sativa in the mornin cause she drinks coffee and i dont drink caffeene.

You bet. A couple rips in the am helps get me going. At the end of the day, I need heavy edibles or concentrates to relax.

Cannabis is great! You have uppers, downers, sleepers, everything all in one plant! :yahoo: Different concentrates, edibles, buds, ways to smoke, etc etc etc !
 
I'll answer you based on what I've seen. A new grower is going to get around 70% of what an experinced grower can get on average. Rookie mistakes and using low budget items as you start to learn are inevitable and necessary. I would figure you would pull about 1 1/2- 2 oz per plant if everything went as perfect as can be.

If you are using 2- 150 hps you'll have flowing covers. I like to add some 6500k (cool) cfl's to my hps also but that comes later. You'll either have to use another lighting system like a metal halide or possible a group of 6500k cfl's. Another option is a HPS to MH conversion bulb but i'm not sure that a bank of cfl's wouldn't be a better option.

i was planing on to use one 150w hps and 6500k sidelighting for veg for 5 weeks .. then just use 2 150w hps for flowering ..since it only on for 12 hour heat shouldnt be to crazy and if anything ill make a door knob size hole in the wall for exhaust and another one for intake .. how does that sound?
 
So I went was looking around to my local hydro store today. I was looking to buy a variable speed control for my fan (which I did; The Speedster). I asked if they had any samples. They hooked me up with a 100ml sample of Atami Bloombastic. Anyone tried this stuff? I have seen it before, and the price was always outrageous. Reading up on it, the product sounds pretty good.

Once again, any feedback is great. If you've never used it, but know someone who has, that is cool too! Now I always ask for free samples, and sometimes it pays off.

What's in it? What's the analysis?
 
cool thanks man .. can you give me a link to a picture so i can see if they have it in one of my locals hydro shop or a web link would be helpful :thanks:

I use Fox Farm. Works great, and evenly priced. You do need:

Grow Big HYDRO formula (they have soil version too, so be careful)

Big Bloom (works in both hydro and soil)

Tiger Bloom (works in both hydro and soil)

Only the grow big has different formulas. Stuff works great.

They have additives too, but you do NOT need those at all. I just recently started using them.

Google Fox Farm and take a look.

General Hydroponics is another good company with a couple different lines of nutes.

Feel free to ask about a specific brand you find.

Discount Hydro dot com has a bunch of nutes listed. As does Amazon! Take a look, read one you like, and post it up and ask us for feedback if you'd like! So many good options out there.
 
You bet. A couple rips in the am helps get me going. At the end of the day, I need heavy edibles or concentrates to relax.

Cannabis is great! You have uppers, downers, sleepers, everything all in one plant! :yahoo: Different concentrates, edibles, buds, ways to smoke, etc etc etc !

Very nicely said my friend.:ganjamon:
 
I use Fox Farm. Works great, and evenly priced. You do need:

Grow Big HYDRO formula (they have soil version too, so be careful)

Big Bloom (works in both hydro and soil)

Tiger Bloom (works in both hydro and soil)

Only the grow big has different formulas. Stuff works great.

They have additives too, but you do NOT need those at all. I just recently started using them.

Google Fox Farm and take a look.

General Hydroponics is another good company with a couple different lines of nutes.

Feel free to ask about a specific brand you find.

Discount Hydro dot com has a bunch of nutes listed. As does Amazon! Take a look, read one you like, and post it up and ask us for feedback if you'd like! So many good options out there.

what about advance nutes? which company makes good ones and at a good price? only reason i ask is cause reading alot about how it really balance out the ph is this true?
 
No dumb questions.

The cover is meant for shipping. They ship dry. But once you use it, you should keep it wet. Now you can dunk the little cover into the storage solution. Then put the cover on the probe. Some solution will squirt out, but it will stay moist inside.

Mine sits in a shot glass half way filled with storage solution (one of those tall "shooter" shot glasses, not a normal short one).



The root growth will explode when you flip them to 12/12 for flowering. Or it should.

I had a plant I had to hack off some roots. This was before going 12/12. About 3-4 weeks into 12/12 roots started growing like crazy. Plant was trying to keep up.

You have the feeder tubes hooked up, right? Water flowing over the roots?

Sorry Alien, jumping halfway in on the problem. Should have read more...

:peace:

Yes, I kept the feeder tubes in because of the short roots. I was just wondering if it is WW maybe veg should have been longer then 6 weeks.

You can jump in anytime.:thumb:
 
Has any body else heard about the new job offerings, their looking for people to test and evaluate straines of MM it pays 25 bucks and hour and it's supposed to be 40 hrs per wk for 6 months !! :peace:
 
im kind of thinkin its along them lines lol or it would have to be in cali lol and cali dont have that kind of money to pay people 25 an hour for somethin a bum will do simply for the free bud
 
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