The Deep Water Culture Home

[MostlyCrazy]

Just don't know about that line of nutes. Botanicare is a big company and has many products that do work and it's not like there has to be anything all that special in it to be a good nutrient. Difference from one nutrient to another is the combo of ingredients they have and all should work at the basic level.

They are overnuted. That can come from a variety of things. Could be that the plants are just a sensitive strain.

I'd do the 8 step, start them back at half nutes and hold it there until they prove they are drinking again. Proceed carefully from there. It could be that these nutes are just too much for them and you may have to hold it at 3/4 recommended level instead of full dose per bottle instructions. You plants have spoken.

 

[MostlyCrazy]

So i recieved my 250 watt 2700k full spectrum warm fluoro today. So thats 250 watt 6400k, 250 watt 2700k and two 42watt 1600k i should be pretty good for my two girls now huh?

1600k? Either way you have a mixed spectrum and you should be good.

 

[area51]

Just don't know about that line of nutes. Botanicare is a big company and has many products that do work and it's not like there has to be anything all that special in it to be a good nutrient. Difference from one nutrient to another is the combo of ingredients they have and all should work at the basic level.

They are overnuted. That can come from a variety of things. Could be that the plants are just a sensitive strain.

I'd do the 8 step, start them back at half nutes and hold it there until they prove they are drinking again. Proceed carefully from there. It could be that these nutes are just too much for them and you may have to hold it at 3/4 recommended level instead of full dose per bottle instructions. You plants have spoken.

Thank you so much MC. I think you are right. Lights just turned on and they didn't drink an ounce. I will, as soon as I get help, flush this morning. I will keep them off nutes for a few days. Is there a recommended amount of days to keep them on no nutes? Then will go half like you said.

I could have all started with low ph I raised the nutes as suppose to and it snowballed out of control. I just read the links and it is suppose to be complete nutes so we will see. 8 step here I come.

I ordered straight from the company both meters and hope to get them towards the end of next week. I may not have even needed them but better to be safe then sorry. I got both for $126. They give a discount if you go directly to there website I suppose since they don't have to pay ebay fees.

 

[FryingPanFlyer]

Just don't know about that line of nutes. Botanicare is a big company and has many products that do work and it's not like there has to be anything all that special in it to be a good nutrient. Difference from one nutrient to another is the combo of ingredients they have and all should work at the basic level.

They are overnuted. That can come from a variety of things. Could be that the plants are just a sensitive strain.

I'd do the 8 step, start them back at half nutes and hold it there until they prove they are drinking again. Proceed carefully from there. It could be that these nutes are just too much for them and you may have to hold it at 3/4 recommended level instead of full dose per bottle instructions. You plants have spoken.

I agree with MC, I doubt there is anything truly wrong with the nutes, it's most likely a problem with application. As MC said, maybe the max dose for your strain is only 3/4 the recommendation, but I'd start them back with much less, probably 1/4 dose and work up from there slowly.

I don't know if you've been following my thread, but I'm discovering much lower levels of nutes appear to be adequate for good strong growth. I really feel the nute companies overstate the requirements to push their products, advertising as it were.

And to think I've got a degree in marketing! I was too ashamed to get a job in that field, convincing people they need something they clearly do not is not the way I wanted to live.

 

[MostlyCrazy]

You can get over this with that attitude. The new tool with help you monitor the situation more accurately and then it's full speed ahead. You just have some new grower pains. Did I tell you I killed all but one of 6 on my first grow? LOL! That was before I found the Deep Water Culture and it don't happen no more.

 

[MostlyCrazy]

That would be a bad salesman. The kind that give all of us salesmen a bad name. I'm what you call an independant cuss and do what I know is right. Maybe that's why most try to get rid of me after about 4-5 years! LOL! I'm basically unmanagable or so I've been told.

Having said that, you are probably right on the oversell. That's why reading the plant is so important and that only really comes from experience or asking a Deep Water Culture.

 

[GardenGuy24]

1600k? Either way you have a mixed spectrum and you should be good.

Lol yeah why does that not sound rite i got em at a small chicken s*** hardware store just for background light.

 

[FryingPanFlyer]

That would be a bad salesman. The kind that give all of us salesmen a bad name. I'm what you call an independant cuss and do what I know is right. Maybe that's why most try to get rid of me after about 4-5 years! LOL! I'm basically unmanagable or so I've been told.

Having said that, you are probably right on the oversell. That's why reading the plant is so important and that only really comes from experience or asking a Deep Water Culture.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not speaking of all salespeople, and from what I know about you does not fit into that mold.

I'm thinking more of the drug companies advertising on tv asking people to tell their doctor they need a particular drug, or fast food restaurants advertising healthy food when if fact their chicken sandwich has more fat than 32 strips of bacon. I abhor that type of sales person.

Sorry, I didn't mean to generalize like that, and certainly didn't mean to include you MC. The only generalization I accept is when you make a broad generalization you will be wrong more times than not!

 

[RPsmoke]

Has any body else heard about the new job offerings, their looking for people to test and evaluate straines of MM it pays 25 bucks and hour and it's supposed to be 40 hrs per wk for 6 months !!

Would be a dream job.

I know some jobs... part of your "duty" is to take a sample gram home each night. Use different methods to smoke. Take lots of notes and give detail feedback on every aspect of smoking it. The high, the taste, the feel, everything. You have other jobs there as well... that is more like your "homework". It's GREAT!

These are considered cloudy trichs right?? Ive been in a dark cycle for 24hrs and I plan on harvesting in about 20hrs from right now...just want to make sure its not premature.

Hard to tell brother! Get a 60x-100x scope. Look at lots of different parts of the bud to help give an "overall" picture.

They definitely look close if not there! And Super tasty!

What is storing solution? Is that just the buffer solution or water or what?

I only put up one 65k 85 watt bulb in flowering. I have many of the 2700k. Do I need more of the 65k spectrum?

My girls didn't drink last night. I checked the PH and nutes and all was good. So that made me wonder if it could be a light problem. I have way more then I did last time that is why I didn't even consider it till right now.

They sell specific storage solution for PH probes. Google PH meter storage solution. I'm sure some will pop up.

I think you can also use the 7.0 PH test solution... but not sure on that one.

You do not NEED more of the 6500k spectrum. It helps... but is not needed. The plants thrive under the closer to 2700k spectrum during flower.

They might not have drank much water, but they may have absorbed lots of nutes. It's hard to tell and lots of things factor into this.

Since you all like pictures here they are. I am having some issue hope you all can help. My first grow was way easier then this one and the only difference is more light and using biotanicare cns17 nutes instead of sh nutes.

Any help would be appreciated.

Almost looks like light burn...

maybe just me...

Roseman's 8 step recovery never hurts.

sorry rp i dont give them 24 hours of lights off on the 7th day i give them 18/6 i do it just to give the lights a rest where i'm turning everything on myself (timer burnt out) i need more than 6 hours sleep so once a week is good for me lol peace

No worries man. Just making sure we are on the same page!

Sounds good. Save yourself the headache before 12/12 and get a decent timer. Make sure to find one with the third hole for the plug. It's a grounded plug. A little nicer then the timer with only two holes for the plug.

alien8

Are these pics of your grow into week 6? If so, definately appears to be a nute lock. I would follow roseman's 8 step recovery guide, and then resume nutes at 50% strength and then see how they drink. Looks like they may have been nute locked for awhile.

Peace

Sam

Good advice! owe ya rep

Hey fellow Deep Water Culture..The 420 contests are now open!!

Here is a permalink to my first entry on this site with my Lemon Skunk plant, but make sure to look at them all..we have a few Deep Water Culture in this months plant of the month!

420 Magazine's Plant of the Month Contest - March 2010

I'll try and get over there asap for ya brother!

 

[MostlyCrazy]

I didn't take it personally at all. I stopped taking things personally back in '72! LOL!

 

[simondetroit]

Since you all like pictures here they are. I am having some issue hope you all can help. My first grow was way easier then this one and the only difference is more light and using biotanicare cns17 nutes instead of sh nutes.

Any help would be appreciated.

I've posted this before, but for what it's worth......if any hydro growers wanna use an organic Botanicare nute regimen this is what most of the Stinkbuddies effectively use:

I try to do a flush between every res change (10-14 days for me). If there are no issues like lockout I will drain half of the res and fill it back up to the top with straight up 7ph tap water. I plug the pumps into the wall without a timer so they run non stop. I do it for 12 to 24 hours. Then I empty the res and fill it back up with the cocktail.

Here is the formula for my flower room:

Botanicare Nutrients:
126ml Cal-Mag Plus
150ml Sweet
180ml Liquid Karma
540mlL Pure Bend Pro Bloom

Mix all the nutrients in a spare gallon milk container. Add water and shake well. The whole mix will take an 18 gal rez to 2900 PPM.

You need a PPM meter that goes to at least 2000 PPM.

Add about half of the mix and check your PPM. It will be low so you will have to keep adding nutrients until you get it to 2000 PPM.

It is easy to add more nutes but hard to take them out If you go over you have to drain some nute/water from the rez and add more plain water.

That's why you want take it slow at first.


I run this nutrient formula for vegetative growth:

Botanicare Nutrients:
126ML Cal-Mag Plus
180ML Liquid Karma
540ML Pure Bend Pro Vegetative Formula

I start at 1500 PPM and bring it up to 2000 PPM by the second week of veg. I change the nutrients every 3 weeks with each new crop.

I adjust my PH to 5.8

If I am having any issues like lockout, I will completely empty the res. I will fill it up with Phed water and some Clearex. Then I do the flush for 24 hrs. non stop. Not sure if this is a "by the book method" but it has worked for me so far in my short growing peroid. I've had lockout symptoms 3 times in the last 4 months. I think it is due to the fact that I'm runing multiple strains. Everytime I've had an issue it's ben with my G-13 Labs NL/SK. It just can't handle the nutes like my other strains.

 

[MostlyCrazy]

1600k cfl is usually one of those U shaped bulbs. Never used one for growing and have no idea if it's good or not.

 

[CellophaneSam]

I agree with MC, I doubt there is anything truly wrong with the nutes, it's most likely a problem with application. As MC said, maybe the max dose for your strain is only 3/4 the recommendation, but I'd start them back with much less, probably 1/4 dose and work up from there slowly.

I don't know if you've been following my thread, but I'm discovering much lower levels of nutes appear to be adequate for good strong growth. I really feel the nute companies overstate the requirements to push their products, advertising as it were.

And to think I've got a degree in marketing! I was too ashamed to get a job in that field, convincing people they need something they clearly do not is not the way I wanted to live.

FPF

I agree. I use the GH flora series. On Sat right after drain and replenish, I give them 1/2 strength. On monday, I add 1/4 strength, and on Wednesday I add the other 1/4 strength. In between, I give them some additives like Liquid Karma, Cal-mag and Floraliscious Plus, but at 30% recommended doses. I grow with all cfl so that's something to be considered. Doing it this way, I don't have problems with nute lock, over or under feeding, big ph jumps both up and down. It works for me, very well in fact but I think we all agree that moderation is the key. Start slow, underfeed at first until you understand what your plants are asking for. Roseman said it long ago. Start slow. It's much easier to leave the toothpaste in the tube then to try and put it back because you squeezed too much out.

I also like the GH flora because they are liquid and very easy to administer, vs the SH powder nutes which can be a real pain. My first grow I used SH nutes and my 2nd grow and this grow I am using the GH Flora and the results are obvious and much improved.

That's my 2 cents

Peace

Sam

 

[GardenGuy24]

these are deffinatley cfls lol well i couldnt imagine they would hurt em huh they dont get any warmer then the larger cfls i got im going to pick up couple more of the bigger guys for my next grow. It will be much more prepared than this was im building a grow room on my back patio. I like the cfls for a cheaper electric bill lol.

 

[CellophaneSam]

these are deffinatley cfls lol well i couldnt imagine they would hurt em huh they dont get any warmer then the larger cfls i got im going to pick up couple more of the bigger guys for my next grow. It will be much more prepared than this was im building a grow room on my back patio. I like the cfls for a cheaper electric bill lol.

Gardenguy

For my setup, I grow in a one stall shower in my half bathroom. Vertical growth is not an issue, but once the plants get to a certain height, they are up against the 3 walls where no light can penetrate. So, my grow is basically a canopy grow. When I go to full lights, I use the following

1 105 watt 5000k
1 105 watt 4000k
1 105 watt 3000k
2 105 watt 2700k
2 42 watt 6500k
8 42 watt 2700k

For this setup, I do need sunglasses to stare at it for any length of time. It's probably a safe thing to do as well. I have been thinking about the 250 watters, so let me know what you think of them once you utilize all of them.
I am getting plenty of light from this setup, heat is not an issue and the electric bill goes up maybe 20 bucks when all lights are on for 24. Once I go to 12/12, it adds 10 bucks to my bill. I can certainly live with that.

Peace

Sam

 

[smokedabong]

No worries man. Just making sure we are on the same page!

Sounds good. Save yourself the headache before 12/12 and get a decent timer. Make sure to find one with the third hole for the plug. It's a grounded plug. A little nicer then the timer with only two holes for the plug.

thats all we have here in england is the 3 prong plugs still doesn't stop them going pop now i've got surge protector extension i shouldn't have any problems peace

 

[RPsmoke]

smokedabong



thats all we have here in england is the 3 prong plugs still doesn't stop them going pop now i've got surge protector extension i shouldn't have any problems peace

Must of been that breakfast bowl for me! Didn't even notice you were across the pond.

Sorry bout that bud!

 

[GardenGuy24]

Gardenguy

For my setup, I grow in a one stall shower in my half bathroom. Vertical growth is not an issue, but once the plants get to a certain height, they are up against the 3 walls where no light can penetrate. So, my grow is basically a canopy grow. When I go to full lights, I use the following

1 105 watt 5000k
1 105 watt 4000k
1 105 watt 3000k
2 105 watt 2700k
2 42 watt 6500k
8 42 watt 2700k

For this setup, I do need sunglasses to stare at it for any length of time. It's probably a safe thing to do as well. I have been thinking about the 250 watters, so let me know what you think of them once you utilize all of them.
I am getting plenty of light from this setup, heat is not an issue and the electric bill goes up maybe 20 bucks when all lights are on for 24. Once I go to 12/12, it adds 10 bucks to my bill. I can certainly live with that.

Peace

Sam

Very useful information brother i will def keep that in mind for my next grow. Matter of fact im goin to make notes of this in my personal journal i keep for myself. I will deffinatley let you know how my grow goes. Thats kind of interesting growin in your shower lol what kind of yield you usually get from a grow like that?

 

[area51]

Just don't know about that line of nutes. Botanicare is a big company and has many products that do work and it's not like there has to be anything all that special in it to be a good nutrient. Difference from one nutrient to another is the combo of ingredients they have and all should work at the basic level.

They are overnuted. That can come from a variety of things. Could be that the plants are just a sensitive strain.

I'd do the 8 step, start them back at half nutes and hold it there until they prove they are drinking again. Proceed carefully from there. It could be that these nutes are just too much for them and you may have to hold it at 3/4 recommended level instead of full dose per bottle instructions. You plants have spoken.

Thank you so much MC. I think you are right. Lights just turned on and they didn't drink an ounce. I will, as soon as I get help, flush this morning. I will keep them off nutes for a few days. Is there a recommended amount of days to keep them on no nutes? Then will go half like you said.

I could have all started with low ph I raised the nutes as suppose to and it snowballed out of control. I just read the links and it is suppose to be complete nutes so we will see. 8 step here I come.

I ordered straight from the company both meters and hope to get them towards the end of next week. I may not have even needed them but better to be safe then sorry. I got both for $126. They give a discount if you go directly to there website I suppose since they don't have to pay ebay fees.

 

[Blissed Out J]

I HAVE SPIDERMITES!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT DO i DO????