Soil - Hydro - 2400w Led - 2000w HPS - 8 Strains - 1 GPW+

Re: Blue Planet Nutrients-Soil-Hydro-2400w Led-2000w Hps-8 Strains-1 GPW+

Heres a few pics of the purple kush I mainlined.Right beside it is a blue hash that I tried UBT training on.The pk is around 2 months old now and the blue hash is around 1 month old.They now both have 8 main tops.In hindsight I should of put 2 pk in the waterfarms and tried this little experiment out to really see how much longer mainlinning takes but you still get a pretty good idea.imho mainlinning is not worth the extra time for indoor growing unless you have a big room or your only growing a couple of plants.for outdoor growing I think it is definetly worth the extra time, that is one sturdy base for a large plant.Im actually thinking about putting that plant on my deck this summer.Those waterfarms run on a 3 watt air pump so I can either plug it in on the deck or dig a hole and put it in the yard somewhere with one of those pond pump solar panels.My only concern with it being on the deck is water temps, If I put it in a hole in the ground im thinking temps might be ok. That will be a 10 foot plant if I do it:)
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UBT is a much quicker way to get the same results for indoor growing imo:)
 
Re: Blue Planet Nutrients-Soil-Hydro-2400w Led-2000w Hps-8 Strains-1 GPW+

Hey Jon. I like the plans for your new "grow room" :rofl:
Ya, probably best to get in the habit of calling it your "shop" huh?

I have an idea about your AC ventilation problem...

Why don't you put the compressor outside, and then build a little room that just rests over it? That little room would have a passive intake with the fan on top to exhaust it when it gets hot. You install a little space heater to keep it above 32F. In the Summer, you just lift the whole thing off and store it until next winter. You could even put the compressor in it's final location now, and just rerun the hose when you build the new shop.

Ronnie is the expert here, but I think you should get the multi head unit and do it right man. You will kick yourself otherwise. We are a lot a like. I know I would regret taking the route you're proposing. I'm sure you can make your idea work, but I would be mad everytime I looked at the portable taking up floorspace when I could have just put a handler in each room. I'm planning to install a mini split with 3 heads. One for each flower room and another for the veg and main basement area. Granted I have zero experience with these units, but I think I have a good understanding of how they operate. Sell your 10k portable, or stick it in a closet as an emergency backup. Mine will be moving upstairs to cool the house in the summer. Hopefully no neighbors realize I have a giant compressor running out back (mostly at night lol) and then I have some other AC venting out of the upstairs window. :blalol:

Again, I'm not saying your plan won't work. I'm telling you this because I want to help you avoid my mistake. Everyone told me go mini split, but I was convinced I could make the portable work. In my case, everything will work out well, but I know all too well how hard it is to look at it objectively sometimes. Please at least reconsider getting a multi head unit. Yes, it costs more, but you know it's the "right" way to do it. Why would you install a climate control system for your new building and then not climate control the whole space?

Anyway, I know you're gonna rock the grow whatever you decide. I'm just glad I get to watch and learn with you. :thanks: :Namaste:
 
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Your probably right on the multi head unit bro.1 question I have is can a multi head unit be run with just one head for now? My current room in the basement is about 60 feet from where the new space is being built, so I will have to redo the entire hook up, probably with new lines when the time comes, and im fine with that, its worth the extra cost to have my current room at the perfect temp this summer.the problem is I only need one head right now, so can a multi head unit run with only 1 head hooked up?
The problem with building a removable box around the condenser outside is in the winter when its -35 outside I think a box like that would be pretty hard to keep at the right temp.It would hit well over 100 degrees in like 30 seconds because its so small and the air its drawing in will still be well below freezing, the little heater would not have enough time to warm it up.Im figuring in a 10 x 5 room the cold air being pulled in up near the cieling will mix with the hot air from the condenser enough that it wont be freezing, I might have to put a recirculation fan in there but I think theres a better chance of it working in a bigger well vented room. Im not sure if this makes sense or not lol...Im pretty baked right now and im definetly not a hvac guy :)
 
Re: Blue Planet Nutrients-Soil-Hydro-2400w Led-2000w Hps-8 Strains-1 GPW+

That's the same question I had. Ronnie said I can add the handlers later as long as the compressor is made for them. At least that's what I took from the conversation. He can correct me if I'm mistaken.

When would it get to 100 degrees? In the summer? You wouldn't have it on then. In the summer, the compressor sits out in the open. Like it would somewhere warmer. In the winter, you have the little box on it. This box would be built with real 2x4 (2x6?) insulated walls or maybe be one of those plastic utility style boxes. Either way, it would have thick insulated walls. The roof would be insulated too. If you put an attic fan on top, then you should probably put one of those louvered vents that will close when the fan turns off to keep the cold out. You're not worried about the little heater keeping the room warm are you? Won't the compressor keep itself warm? The space heater is just keeping that box above -20, or whatever the compressor needs. You would size that heater accordingly based on how well insulated the warming box is. When it's that cold, I doubt the extra heat the little pre warmer heater adds will really have any impact on cooling the compressor.

Ronnie did talk about this exact concept except he said to make a side of the warming box removable. I'm suggesting you remove the whole thing. You could put it against your shop and make a 4 sided box (top, front, and sides) that lets the building be the back, and the ground be the bottom. I can draw a picture if I'm not clear.
 
Re: Blue Planet Nutrients-Soil-Hydro-2400w Led-2000w Hps-8 Strains-1 GPW+

jon705 said:
Your probably right on the multi head unit bro.1 question I have is can a multi head unit be run with just one head for now? My current room in the basement is about 60 feet from where the new space is being built, so I will have to redo the entire hook up, probably with new lines when the time comes, and im fine with that, its worth the extra cost to have my current room at the perfect temp this summer.the problem is I only need one head right now, so can a multi head unit run with only 1 head hooked up?
The problem with building a removable box around the condenser outside is in the winter when its -35 outside I think a box like that would be pretty hard to keep at the right temp.It would hit well over 100 degrees in like 30 seconds because its so small and the air its drawing in will still be well below freezing, the little heater would not have enough time to warm it up.Im figuring in a 10 x 5 room the cold air being pulled in up near the cieling will mix with the hot air from the condenser enough that it wont be freezing, I might have to put a recirculation fan in there but I think theres a better chance of it working in a bigger well vented room. Im not sure if this makes sense or not lol...Im pretty baked right now and im definetly not a hvac guy :)
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yes you can run and multistage unit with only one air handler and add more handlers later. i would have your passive intake for the condenser room low on outside wall. the cold air wont be constantly cycling through the room . exhaust fan will only come on after the room reaches 80f or what ever you set it at so temps in the room will be 80f and as soon as temps reach 70f in the room fan will shut off and cold air will stop. your passive intake for winter can be small and not right next to condenser if you want , remember these units will work fine at temps as low as 5f. so keeping the condenser room at 70-80f while running you should have no problems. even if the temp drops to 5f during off cycle , once the unit starts it will heat the room quickly. thats the point of the room is to use the heat your removing from the "grow lab" to heat the condenser room. low intake and high exhaust insures proper air movement through room. with intake high and exhaust high you might not get the desired effect.
hope this helps.
:Namaste:
 
Re: Blue Planet Nutrients-Soil-Hydro-2400w Led-2000w Hps-8 Strains-1 GPW+

What if you put the compressor on some sort of sliding platform so you could move it outside when it warms up? Probably won't work with the semi-rigid lines.

I don't know a lot about this stuff. It just seems odd to me to put the compressor inside the building. That creates a new problem in the summer. It's basic laws of thermodynamics. All of the heat the AC is removing from those lights, is going into that compressor room/box. If you can vent it all off with a fan, you could theoretically vent it from the room with a fan and not even need AC. I guess the downside is you would lose CO2?

I'll stop offering up my hair brained ideas. I'm good at coming up with ideas. Whether or not they are good ideas is a little more sporadic. :)
 
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lol...thats a 6 hr drive one way bro. I was talking about in the winter when the box is on. the heat from the condenser would heat that box up in seconds, im not sure how hot the air is coming out of it but im sure its pretty hot.It also needs fresh air coming into the box, thats the air im worried about, it gets really cold here bro, theres was a 7 day stretch this winter in the mid-40's.
Im not worried about cooling the trim room, I can either use the portable when its needed or open the doors to both rooms while im trimming.
 
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ronnie6690 said:
heat pumps will be more that straight cooling a/c units. have you checked prices for straight cooling a/c's
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I think its probably better to have heat and not need it than need it and not have it lol...The 10 000btu portable is enough for the 10 x 10 veg room, its will be all led in there. I just found this unit that is completely diy, its perfect for the flower room, what do you think Ronnie?
Do It Yourself 24,000 Btu Ductless Mini Split Heat Pump Air Conditioner BR1224W3A
Im not sure if its available here but if I had to drive to keep this diy I will, and its movable, I can hook it up in my current room and then just move it myself to the new space and not have to worry about buying new lines or getting somebody to charge the lines again.
 
Re: Blue Planet Nutrients-Soil-Hydro-2400w Led-2000w Hps-8 Strains-1 GPW+

jon705 said:
I think its probably better to have heat and not need it than need it and not have it lol...The 10 000btu portable is enough for the 10 x 10 veg room, its will be all led in there. I just found this unit that is completely diy, its perfect for the flower room, what do you think Ronnie?
Do It Yourself 24,000 Btu Ductless Mini Split Heat Pump Air Conditioner BR1224W3A
Im not sure if its available here but if I had to drive to keep this diy I will, and its movable, I can hook it up in my current room and then just move it myself to the new space and not have to worry about buying new lines or getting somebody to charge the lines again.
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nice unit, those variable speed compressors are pretty new. be very careful with line set , it will bend easily, and if you kink one of the lines your diy project is not diy anymore. most mini splits you can get a small condensate pump for them , i recommend getting one so you can move condensate where ever you want. having the option to heat as well as cool is nice but remember in winter running in heat mode your condenser room will turn into a freezer quickly. nicer units have auto defrost and electric emergency heat options .
:Namaste:
 
Re: Blue Planet Nutrients-Soil-Hydro-2400w Led-2000w Hps-8 Strains-1 GPW+

good weed to you jon!:)
man this is the technical journal:thedoubletake::smokin::rofl:
so I guess its why do something half assed :)
 
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fish cake said:
good weed to you jon!:)
man this is the technical journal:thedoubletake::smokin::rofl:
so I guess its why do something half assed :)
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I dont plan to ever stop growing so ya lol...I want this done right.This a/c thing has been a thorn in my side ever since I moved this far north, its frustrating as hell but I think weve come up with a solution with the condenser room.Now I just have to find the right unit that is available around here:)
 
Re: Blue Planet Nutrients-Soil-Hydro-2400w Led-2000w Hps-8 Strains-1 GPW+

jon it is my new greeting instead of good morning. afternoon or evening from now on its good weed to you! I know its flaky but I like it:)
 

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