Not difficult at all, just takes getting over "I'm going to hurt them" ;)

Or in my case it was an aversion to cutting off perfectly healthy parts, he, he...

Now I find it's great fun ! And instead off just watching them grow you get to be interactive.

There are so many different ways to "shape" a plant into your vision and it actually improves the yield....

End result is a shorter/wider plant and a quicker harvest i.e., there are only larger buds to trim, none of that "takes hours to save" type buds !

Basically top above whatever node you decide on, typically above the fourth or fifth depending on vigor/age.

And then as the next two branches get long enough, pull them over.

BBQ skewers and soft wire. Or tie them down to the rim of the container.

Or just pull the top over, no topping.

That breaks it's apical dominance and the lower branches race to the top to be King Dog ;)

Then continue to train the branches sideways until it is as wide as you want. Nice even canopy...

Good luck, eh ?

Cheers
Yeah i got one plant going in the 4x4 ive seen ppl cram 6 in here so im trying to maximize yeild on that space
 
Yeah i got one plant going in the 4x4 ive seen ppl cram 6 in here so im trying to maximize yeild on that space
That one plant can fill that space !

Just be careful to secure the main stem on the opposite side of where you are training to. Counter balance if you will...

Once the root ball develops the stem will become quite stout but you still need to consider the weight of the rest of the plant hanging off to the side.

Cheers
 
i seen someone else on here train their plant horizontally like that which i was trying to go for but i never really tried any real training so that may be difficult
This might be helpful for you, and it was the first thing I thought of when you posted the pic:

Here's an example of what it can do without topping:


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with this structure:

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This might be helpful for you, and it was the first thing I thought of when you posted the pic:

Here's an example of what it can do without topping:


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with this structure:

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Thanks! From looking at that post i could start bending her now before the initial topping? I always thought the intial topping comes first then the bending and the nodes are tight i was wondering should i lift the lights a little to stretch…..i forgot you were working with an auto so we try not to top those this is a feminized photo
 
Thanks! From looking at that post i could start bending her now before the initial topping? I always thought the intial topping comes first then the bending and the nodes are tight i was wondering should i lift the lights a little to stretch…..i forgot you were working with an auto so we try not to top those this is a feminized photo
That's no auto in the pic! Also it wasn't topped, and my suggestion would be not to top yours at least until it makes it's way to the other corner of the pot. You want length on that main stem to fill in the space.
 
Ah, well, that weren’t so bad… dunno why you were scared. these are my tried and true nested 27/17-gal SIPs, each holding two 10-gal Geo Pots. Fertigation with 1000ppm MegaCrop in a 6-gal res, that includes aminos, kelp extract, humates and lots of bennies and mycos, topped every Microbe Monday! You might see my romaine I keep on rotation on the tent periphery.
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Ok, here’s something actually scary. Outdoor SIPs absolutely dripping with tomatoes and cukes etc. it is nuts how many balls of twine I’ve gone through keeping these laden branches from snapping. The haul this year is downright pornographic. Hard to photograph, but I swear on the good book I’ve never seen anything like it. I had the SIPs last year, just fewer real biggies and I wasn’t using MegaCrop with Sweet Candy as fertigation. That combo has lit the fuse on these fuckers. Tomatoes, cucumbers, green peppers, summer squash… all are making records in SIPs outside this year. Already been canning up a storm.
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Spectacular garden. Green and lush with vegetables.
I'm a committed SIP evangelist now, as you know. In fact, I'm going to nearly abandon the huge 3' (H) x 5' (w) x 35' (L) raised bed I built 18mos. ago (Hugel Kulture-style), and use it only for a big potato and sweet potato harvest next year, because the SIPs outgrow it by at least an order of magnitude (x10). At least. Doesn't matter if it's tomatoes or summer squash, cukes or green peppers, pole beans or w.h.y., the fertigated SIP rules all. The raised bed cannot compete even though it is also south-facing, very well amended and fertilized, etc, etc. It all paints a very clear picture with a single message that I'd be a fool to ignore. And the SIPs are so easy to care for. Drag out my 6-gal laboratory carboys, fill and mix, then attach battery operated pump. Every couple of weeks refill each with 6-10 gallons of 1-part MegaCrop (original or 2 part) and 1-part Sweet Candy at 1000-1200ppm (500sc). Matrix is used Promix.

I'm pretty stoked for next year, I've a few 50-gallon plastic drums I'm turning into SIPs (stuff in pics is 35-40gal uprights or my 27gal totes) that will go up on the roof next spring and get some Northern Lights stuffed in them and do a gravity, control bucket feeder. They get quite a long day up there, excellent DLI, so there's def. some potential to create something... monstrous.

SIPs are so kick ass.

I did get a 12-tray worm-farm rolling last fall, indoors where I can take care of them, and I grew 3, 35-gal veggie SIPs using my custom worm-castings and Promix, plus extra perlite. I like 30% perlite in SIPs regardless, but especially with organics. I cheated with some Sweet Candy every two weeks to keep feeding the fauna, and no other ferts. They grew just as well as the fertigated in peat/perlite. My castings are really customized though so I don't know what garden-store castings would do, but my guess would be ''not too shabby''. I also experimented with some KNF and JADAM potions, but nothing radical. Just trying to get a feel for 'organic' shows again, it takes time to adjust to the resources at hand with LOS grows, and I'm not in a rush. If I was growing weed in these, and doing ''store-bought organic'', I'd likely do castings, fish ferts, and bone meal. I usually can't make myself buy expensive premixed supersoils, mostly out of misplaced pride and a light wallet.

Sometime between Feb 2022 - Feb 2023, I invested in 2x 25lb Sweet Candy 0-27-27, 2x 25lb MegaCrop 9-6-17, 1x 25lb Mega Crop 5-12-26, and 1x 25lb Calcium Nitrate 16-0-0. Good ferts are kinda my version of toilet paper, I think, so, having found a real stunner, I just figured prices were only going to go up, and stocks go down. So... a lifetime supply, probably for my daughter too. ha.
 
Highya RD, guys,

Sounds like a similar path I took with all this organic gardening. I still use JMS every week, seems good for everything. I mulch a lot of ingredients right in place around the plants. Also seems good. I just need a little more nitrogen to help breaking down the compost/mulch layer. Water daily and watch for deficiencies. My SIP is working very well, also. I still have 3 cannabis ladies (2' X 6') plus other odds and ends as an experiment. Happy Smokin'
 
Highya RD, guys,

Sounds like a similar path I took with all this organic gardening. I still use JMS every week, seems good for everything. I mulch a lot of ingredients right in place around the plants. Also seems good. I just need a little more nitrogen to help breaking down the compost/mulch layer. Water daily and watch for deficiencies. My SIP is working very well, also. I still have 3 cannabis ladies (2' X 6') plus other odds and ends as an experiment. Happy Smokin'
Yeah, y'know the mulching should not be overlooked as a potential nutrient source, for sure. I have a plant in my pond(s) that is related to horsetails, and I harvest it down by the bucket load because it grows back in a week. I chop it up good because it is an excellent source of Silica. I also have a smallish bamboo patch that sheds silica-filled leaves and root-wrappings(?) like crazy, so I add that into my mulch too. There's always enough comfrey avail and nettles too, since I planted them in my 'fertilizer forest', to add some into the mulch. As it happens these are all major ingredients in the frappe'd-frozen-fert-food mix I feed my worms, so those SIPs get it from the top and bottom!

Mulches can really cover your bases for you, obviously protecting your microfauna in the first couple inches of soil, but also to manage root temps for those plants that suffer from big temp swings underground - like cucumbers - which is something we're all going to have to learn tricks and tweaks for coping with due to climate change. Don't know what I'd do without all of you here at 420, on many fronts. All the great ideas start here, and there are more than a few impressive innovators around the place, folks I freely admit to keeping under close observation.
 
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