Shiggity Goes Mad Scientist: Paving The Yellowbrix Road With DIY Adventures!

So PWrestler has got me thinking...take a look at this And let's talk.
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in the picture above the horizontal scrog is right at the level of the wood crosspiece bracing the vertical frame. 2.75 feet off the floor.
 
I see a small train coming with these slowly moving into different light sources, stopping at the water tower for a nute fillup, and just waiting to take the side track into the harvest room.
 
Dude. :high-five:
 
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So imagine every brown area is scrog. This is a mock up of a 4x4. Could be in a 5x5 tent or an open room. Put a panel at top and it is 3 feet to the horizontal scrog.
The bottom of the vertical scrogs are left out to allow the horizontal scrog to grow upward one foot. So it must be a true scrog not trellis.

The vertical scrogs are 2ft high net 42" long to allow some space between nets. Plants would be lollipopped all the way to the bottom of the vertical net. All my stretchers like cookies strains

The vertical buds would be strapped to the net so they didn't hang over the horizontal scrog. Calculating it out you get 100% more grow area.
 
And every SIP is on casters. Since each SIP will have its own section of scrog we can rearrange anything. I am going to copy my bamboo scrogs with PVC and make 2x2 for 17 gal SIPs with single plants or 2x4 per 27 gal SIP with 2 plants. All attached to the SIPs and on casters. No more problem with getting to each plant!

But Justmeds your idea is way more fun lol!
 
I'm going to stuff 14 boards into my 4x4 so I've been wondering myself about mounting them vertically. :hmmm:

For me it would just be to get more light to the outside plants and also provide another angle of lighting to the rest of them = better overall use of the photons. But I don't know how soft I'd have to run them.

I have a panel based on the same idea, from a couple years ago. A few thousand 1/4 watt leds mounted on boards covering 8x46 inches for about 200 total watts. That panel was rated at 120 Lu/W if I remember correctly and I could run it within about a foot of the canopy. My boards will be over 180 Lu/W, equivalent to about 33 watts vs 50 watts of the older design.

It seems doable if you can justify running them that soft (or softer).
 
Graytail said:
I'm going to stuff 14 boards into my 4x4 so I've been wondering myself about mounting them vertically. :hmmm:

For me it would just be to get more light to the outside plants and also provide another angle of lighting to the rest of them = better overall use of the photons. But I don't know how soft I'd have to run them.

I have a panel based on the same idea, from a couple years ago. A few thousand 1/4 watt leds mounted on boards covering 8x46 inches for about 200 total watts. That panel was rated at 120 Lu/W if I remember correctly and I could run it within about a foot of the canopy. My boards will be over 180 Lu/W, equivalent to about 33 watts vs 50 watts of the older design.

It seems doable if you can justify running them that soft (or softer).
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I'm going to try and see what PAR numbers I can get just running the panel horizontal. As it is the panel can be 3 feet above the horizontal scrog and one foot above the edge of the vertical scrog. I'm thinking that a nice cookies type strain can be trained to a thin layer and make some good golf balls even without vertical lights. These damn panels are so bright I hate to put the walls to waste.
 
ShiggityFlip said:
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So imagine every brown area is scrog. This is a mock up of a 4x4. Could be in a 5x5 tent or an open room. Put a panel at top and it is 3 feet to the horizontal scrog.
The bottom of the vertical scrogs are left out to allow the horizontal scrog to grow upward one foot. So it must be a true scrog not trellis.

The vertical scrogs are 2ft high net 42" long to allow some space between nets. Plants would be lollipopped all the way to the bottom of the vertical net. All my stretchers like cookies strains

The vertical buds would be strapped to the net so they didn't hang over the horizontal scrog. Calculating it out you get 100% more grow area.
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Quick vision of what I see in my head is actually 3 X the grow area, since there are 4 walls instead of 1 floor ?
 
Gazoo said:
Quick vision of what I see in my head is actually 3 X the grow area, since there are 4 walls instead of 1 floor ?
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The walls are 2x4 so they can give room for the bottom scrog to grow. (Starts one foot above bottom scrog).
 
kelticBlue said:
interesting idea, on the floor. I like.

I moved my cob driver out of the tent and in the ambient of the outside of the tent i can feel the heat better. Thing makes more heat than i thought.
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I went with the COB setups because of the better light distribution but was really hoping they ran cooler than my single ended HPS. They do not. Timber was nice enough to provide me with a way to remote mount my drivers if the need arises. In my 4x8 I have 1200 watts of CXB and have to run them dimmed a little shy of full power to keep temps around 80.
 
How about a very good reason you should stay away from commercial herb and grow your own...for your health and safety!!! The Humbolt forested areas are a chemical wasteland from years of excessive pesticide use. Forest Rangers are getting ill from just walking through certain areas. And here is a list of some test results of commercial products that is far from complete! Makes me sick to think about.
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ShiggityFlip said:
How about a very good reason you should stay away from commercial herb and grow your own...for your health and safety!!! The Humbolt forested areas are a chemical wasteland from years of excessive pesticide use. Forest Rangers are getting ill from just walking through certain areas. And here is a list of some test results of commercial products that is far from complete! Makes me sick to think about.
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Where did you find that list?

Same reason I started growing my own, and don't use concentrate products. I can't say the details but a local lab that my company is working with has recently gotten a very high res machine that goes to parts per billion and lets just say so far they haven't found a clean "to state standards" sample yet whether its flower, concentrate or edible... scary!

If you could pm that list of products that fail I would be very interested in seeing all of them :)
 
Icemud said:
Where did you find that list?

Same reason I started growing my own, and don't use concentrate products. I can't say the details but a local lab that my company is working with has recently gotten a very high res machine that goes to parts per billion and lets just say so far they haven't found a clean "to state standards" sample yet whether its flower, concentrate or edible... scary!

If you could pm that list of products that fail I would be very interested in seeing all of them :)
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Icemud you can find all this info from da govmint! This is all collected info from the California prop 65 60 day notice records.

Just go here 60-Day Notice Search | State of California - Department of Justice - Office of the Attorney General

And you can search for any chemical they test for. It's horrific.

For other peeps just search myclobutanil to start.

Myclobutanil when burned releases hydrogen cyanide. Yes you read that right. Consumers of commercial cannabis in Cali are in danger of chronic hydrogen cyanide poisoning. The smoking effects of myclobutanil have never been evaluated and it is not approved for tobacco production except in China.
 
Soon people will be saying this on 420mag...
"Hey I have spider mites and PM what should I do?"
"Well the easiest thing would be to go buy a vape cartridge from the dispensary, vape some in the grow room and exhale on the plants. But only once every 3 days or you may kill the plants too!"

Oh yeah you can download the spreadsheet there is a button on the page to do so.
 
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Soon people will be saying this on 420mag...
"Hey I have spider mites and PM what should I do?"
"Well the easiest thing would be to go buy a vape cartridge from the dispensary, vape some in the grow room and exhale on the plants. But only once every 3 days or you may kill the plants too!"
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LMAO... sad but true... I wonder how much of this is actually knowingly used by the cannabis growers, and what percentage of it is localized pollution and residue blow off from neighboring farms... Thanks for sharing that Shiggs!
 
Myclobutanil is found in Eagle20 which I think is pretty commonly used. And in Cali there is so much outdoor pesticide used I wouldn't doubt at least some is from blow off.
 
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