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[r0am1ng st0ner]

Bugs are a pain in the arse but its a small price to pay for free light...lol. I'd rather be indoors too but not possible for me right now.

I have to say you have a bit more space then me and ya that power bill lol

 

[PK]

looking good @JimJonesJr the plants are deffinitly coming together for you.
How long do you leave your bags in the catch can for after feeding them water from top? i take whats in the catch can is form the run off of the plant?

 

[PK]

also, how long does it take per bag for you to water in order to get run off?

 

[StRoostifer]

You are spot on. I am in the south. I lived in Central America for three years back in the 80s. The heat there was awful. I compare this region to it all the time. I am from Ohio originally and moved south 12yrs ago. The heat is intense but I'll take that over those long freezing cold winters any day. The arthritis is better down here too.

Oh man I’ve heard about the Central American heat from people I’ve worked with through the years. I don’t know how people do it down there man.

You did 12 years ago what I’m trying to do in the near future. I guess one could say that between the bitter blustery long cold winters, Illinois politicians and living in the suburbs of the US murder capital...I’m about done with this stinking shithole!

 

[JimJonesJr]

looking good @JimJonesJr the plants are deffinitly coming together for you.
How long do you leave your bags in the catch can for after feeding them water from top? i take whats in the catch can is form the run off of the plant?

I leave them sit till the pot is heavy and I know its drenched. Yes, all that water is from the run off. I usually put the plant back on the pallet and dump the leftovers on my split stem girl. Normally I'd have pans under all of the plants like I do the scrog but got lazy and didn't buy more catch pans. So, I've gotta do it this way for now.

With the scrog plants I water and let them sit for a while like the others. Since its impossible to pull out the pan I use a turkey baster to suck out any leftovers unless its just a small amount. I'll just leave that to be absorbed if its not much. I do the clones in the kiddie pool the same way.

 

[PK]

what im trying to figure is how you water to get the run off? example do you just give them a whole gallon of water per plant and let it go to run off? or do you devide that one gallon thorugh out the hour?

How long until you have run off?

 

[JimJonesJr]

also, how long does it take per bag for you to water in order to get run off?

The run off is almost immediate when watered from the top. Hence the reason I do this bottom feeding. I was not getting a full saturation of the medium but now I do and the plants like it much better. I see this most days unless they are thirsty......leaves reaching for the sky. A pretty sight for a gardener.

 

[JimJonesJr]

what im trying to figure is how you water to get the run off? example do you just give them a whole gallon of water per plant and let it go to run off? or do you devide that one gallon thorugh out the hour?

How long until you have run off?

I don't measure how much. I just pour it through the top till i get an inch or so in the catch pan. The plant will wick up any additional water if it needs it. Then its put on the pallet.

 

[PK]

I don't measure how much. I just pour it through the top till i get an inch or so in the catch pan. The plant will wick up any additional water if it needs it. Then its put on the pallet.

this picture if from the last grow i did and why i water mine differently. When i don't measure and water to run off it made my soil which was just promix hp with NO additional addatives or perlites. This was me essentially giving water till i got run off in a small container. The leafs went all downwords for 3 days. there was essentlly no air to the roots.
This happens in the 5g fiber pots as well for me.

with the new grow i changed things a bit up. I added 30% more perlite to PM-hp and i water it in quater portions through out the feed day. This gives me a nice consistent moist potting mix.

After our talk the other day, i went and dug the soil of the 5g fiber pot that the gg is in. I dug to middle of the pot and it was moist. Thats me watering every two or three days. In the morning i do half of 2L bottle. quater at first and after 20-30min i do another quater litter.

heat and humidity of the air also playes a big roll. Another factor is that the fabric pots allow air to penetrate through the entire pot, whilelist your plastic bags only allow air through the holes.

 

[JimJonesJr]

Oh man I’ve heard about the Central American heat from people I’ve worked with through the years. I don’t know how people do it down there man.

You did 12 years ago what I’m trying to do in the near future. I guess one could say that between the bitter blustery long cold winters, Illinois politicians and living in the suburbs of the US murder capital...I’m about done with this stinking shithole!

Oh man, I bet you get that lake effect snow all winter. I lived in upstate NY for a while just east of lake Ontario. The winters were brutal. Experienced my first blizzard there. I remember rolling out of a tent one morning and it was -19 with winds gusting to 30mph. Hell of a time to have to shit....

I like the weather here. Its a decent place to live but laws need to change. My only real chance at having the freedom you have is if they feds legalize. Even then I see this state and most of the south flexing that states rights bullshit and continue on the path of restricting our freedom. You live in the promise land even if it is the murder capital...lol.

 

[JimJonesJr]

this picture if from the last grow i did and why i water mine differently. When i don't measure and water to run off it made my soil which was just promix hp with NO additional addatives or perlites. This was me essentially giving water till i got run off in a small container. The leafs went all downwords for 3 days. there was essentlly no air to the roots.
This happens in the 5g fiber pots as well for me.

with the new grow i changed things a bit up. I added 30% more perlite to PM-hp and i water it in quater portions through out the feed day. This gives me a nice consistent moist potting mix.

After our talk the other day, i went and dug the soil of the 5g fiber pot that the gg is in. I dug to middle of the pot and it was moist. Thats me watering every two or three days. In the morning i do half of 2L bottle. quater at first and after 20-30min i do another quater litter.

heat and humidity of the air also playes a big roll. Another factor is that the fabric pots allow air to penetrate through the entire pot, whilelist your plastic bags only allow air through the holes.

Well, I guess my plastic bags must be magic then because they are obviously breathing just as good as any other pot...lol.
We're just going to have to agree to disagree on watering methods. I've shared what works for me and if by chance I find another method that works better I'll change up things. Ya gotta stay flexible in this game..lol.

 

[StRoostifer]

Oh man, I bet you get that lake effect snow all winter. I lived in upstate NY for a while just east of lake Ontario. The winters were brutal. Experienced my first blizzard there. I remember rolling out of a tent one morning and it was -19 with winds gusting to 30mph. Hell of a time to have to shit....

I like the weather here. Its a decent place to live but laws need to change. My only real chance at having the freedom you have is if they feds legalize. Even then I see this state and most of the south flexing that states rights bullshit and continue on the path of restricting our freedom. You live in the promise land even if it is the murder capital...lol.

The lake effect can hit the city good and sometimes extends far enough west to drop that shit on us. Michigan being on the other side of the lake gets seriously proper fucked. Anything that blows through here moving eastward picks up moisture off Lake Michigan and dumps on poor Michigan. Bummer for them dudes lol!

say no more. I’ve read about what states in the south have the fiercest laws against cannabis. I can only hope you don’t live in the #1 worst state to cultivate in.

Illinois is good for two things as far as my m concerned. 1) I can legally cultivate with my med card 2) I’ve been a huge White Sox fan since ‘83 and my guys are fucking mashing this year. Otherwise Illinois fucking sucks. The concentration of uptight, pretentious assed white Karen’s is too high for my taste and I’m a white dude

 

[PK]

Well, I guess my plastic bags must be magic then because they are obviously breathing just as good as any other pot...lol.
We're just going to have to agree to disagree on watering methods. I've shared what works for me and if by chance I find another method that works better I'll change up things. Ya gotta stay flexible in this game..lol.

ya, its all a learnign curves.

 

[syenite]

Looking great Jim! You're gonna have a solid, solid stash after all this !

My 2c on the watering/runoff issue - I learnt the hard way that seeing runoff doesn't necessarily mean that the mix has been saturated (assuming saturation is the goal). It's even worse with a fabric pot! So I now do what you do, allowing the plant to sit in the runoff and wick as much as it can.

@PK1 - having a light, aerated mix is great for these plants from what I've seen. The only problem is having to water very frequently. In general though, having a light/airy mix is a good way to ensure that the plant can't get overwatered easily. So adding more perlite can be a good move.

However, I don't know if watering to run-off was the reason your plant was droopy for 3 whole days. I imagine either for some reason your ProMix HP was too "dense" and held too much water, or you were possibly overwatering, and not letting the mix dry out sufficiently before watering?

 

[JimJonesJr]

ya, its all a learnign curves.

Yes, it is a learning curve. I did the same method when I grew in promix with perilite. I used hard plastic 3 gal small garbage cans for that. To me learning what watering method works best for you is the one you should stick with...but if things go wrong maybe I need to take that curve..that bend in the road. I dunno man, I'm stoned and rambling...lol.
Always great to have ya stop by PK. Your the one that encouraged me to start this journal. Its been many years since I've had this much fun.

 

[PK]

Looking great Jim! You're gonna have a solid, solid stash after all this !

My 2c on the watering/runoff issue - I learnt the hard way that seeing runoff doesn't necessarily mean that the mix has been saturated (assuming saturation is the goal). It's even worse with a fabric pot! So I now do what you do, allowing the plant to sit in the runoff and wick as much as it can.

@PK1 - having a light, aerated mix is great for these plants from what I've seen. The only problem is having to water very frequently. In general though, having a light/airy mix is a good way to ensure that the plant can't get overwatered easily. So adding more perlite can be a good move.

However, I don't know if watering to run-off was the reason your plant was droopy for 3 whole days. I imagine either for some reason your ProMix HP was too "dense" and held too much water, or you were possibly overwatering, and not letting the mix dry out sufficiently before watering?

i was watering every two days. what i figured and read from emilyas post is that when you water a large amount so it goes to run off then you kinda clog all the air holes becasue the dirt sinks. So it took longer for the potting mix to dry.
The additional perlite deffinitly helps. A good rule of thumb is to stick your fingre in the pot for about an inch and see how things are. I like making holes so my fingure is constantly in the soil before i feed.

 

[JimJonesJr]

Looking great Jim! You're gonna have a solid, solid stash after all this !

My 2c on the watering/runoff issue - I learnt the hard way that seeing runoff doesn't necessarily mean that the mix has been saturated (assuming saturation is the goal). It's even worse with a fabric pot! So I now do what you do, allowing the plant to sit in the runoff and wick as much as it can.

@PK1 - having a light, aerated mix is great for these plants from what I've seen. The only problem is having to water very frequently. In general though, having a light/airy mix is a good way to ensure that the plant can't get overwatered easily. So adding more perlite can be a good move.

However, I don't know if watering to run-off was the reason your plant was droopy for 3 whole days. I imagine either for some reason your ProMix HP was too "dense" and held too much water, or you were possibly overwatering, and not letting the mix dry out sufficiently before watering?

Thanks man, I'm hoping for a nice stash for sure. After all the sweat I've put into this...its gotta pay off.

I concur with your 2c. I think you'll find you don't need to water as often. Of course that'll change a little later on but its pretty hard to overwater or underwater soaking them. How is it working with the fabric bags? I've never used any.

 

[PK]

Thanks man, I'm hoping for a nice stash for sure. After all the sweat I've put into this...its gotta pay off.

I concur with your 2c. I think you'll find you don't need to water as often. Of course that'll change a little later on but its pretty hard to overwater or underwater soaking them. How is it working with the fabric bags? I've never used any.

i touched under my fiber bag today and it was still some what wet. I been meaning to get something to raise it so there is airflow.

 

[syenite]

i was watering every two days. what i figured and read from emilyas post is that when you water a large amount so it goes to run off then you kinda clog all the air holes becasue the dirt sinks. So it took longer for the potting mix to dry.
The additional perlite deffinitly helps. A good rule of thumb is to stick your fingre in the pot for about an inch and see how things are. I like making holes so my fingure is constantly in the soil before i feed.

Perlite definitely helps if the mix is heavy/dense, I agree with you there!

I'm not trying to bust your chops or anything, PK1, but I think you may have missed one important part of Emilya's post here:

the "stick your finger in the ground" crowd, who proclaim: it's time to water when it is dry below the second knuckle. What they fail to realize is that when the top 2 inches is dry, the lower half of the container could still be saturated with water. Both of these common mistakes in watering methods are quick ways to drown your plants. These methods are not correct for growing weeds, and using them can actually kill your plants.

That may have been part of the problem! You should be lifting/weighing the pot to see if it's dry down to the last inch or two.

With a lot of perlite, this is not an issue, but if you have a regular peat-based mix without as much perlite, the finger rule isn't a good one.

 

[syenite]

I concur with your 2c. I think you'll find you don't need to water as often. Of course that'll change a little later on but its pretty hard to overwater or underwater soaking them. How is it working with the fabric bags? I've never used any.

Fabric bags are all good man. As PK1 pointed out, there is meant to be less of a risk of overwatering, and also rootboundedness. But one can certainly still overwater in a fabric pot, and plants can still ultimately get rootbound in one. It might just take a bit longer. One distinct advantage is that there are no drainage holes necessary, so it's much harder or impossible for pests to get at the roots from the bottom.

I'm pretty meh on the topic! If I had to buy new ones I would pick fabric. But if I had regular pots I would just stick to those.