Mmmmick 288W LED Development SCROG White Widow

[OldMedMan]

Hi Mmmmick

It's all a learning process and we get better than before. This latest harvest has taught me plenty. I'll be better prepared next time.

Guess we have to test things, even though they seem fine.

I rush too much for sure! Sorry I'm running out of steam...see you tomorrow!

Peace my Friend!

 

[JohnGalt]

Don't get discouraged Mmmmick. It's posts like this that will help out the real noobies... you might have just saved me a huge headache!

I'm finishing up my grow room and one of my big concerns is air flow. Now I know how to check if I have proper ventilation. I can try the easier setups and smoke test them, rather than putting holes in walls where it might not be necessary.

 

[Mmmmick]

Hi OMM. I agree, we learn as we go. As long as things keep improving I can be patient. I'm not surprised that my grow room requires some tweaking, kind of expected to find a few things that could be beneficially adjusted.

Gotta set a pace that your comfortable with OMM, we don't want you wearing yourself out.

I've got some catching up to do but I've got 3 computers sitting here that are in need of repair. Gotta get them back to their owners so I can get some space back.

 

[Mmmmick]

Hi JG, I'm usually fine after I get a chance to vent, lol. Not discouraged but a little frustrated when I miss things that I feel should have been apparent. I get over it quickly.

I know my troubles are helpful to others sometimes so that makes it easier to accept those issues. Of course my grows would run more smoothly if I was an example of what to do rather than what to avoid, lol.

This latest grow does, to me at least, stress just how important proper airflow is to the health of our plants. I hope you find a working design for your setup, without too much tweaking. I was trying to avoid a hole in the ceiling by putting intake and exhaust in the same window, but the easy way didn't work out for me. You may have better luck.

 

[JohnGalt]

My issue is that my grow hut is in a room with no windows and only one door. Almost like what you did, one of my options was to have intake/exhaust running out the door into a larger (fairly ventilated) room. My plan B was to make a hole and vent exhaust into the attic (this is now Plan A).

I'm shooting for finishing this project today... so hopefully I'll be posting pictures of my finished setup tonight. Hopefully will have rooted clones ready to pot by Friday.

 

[HorseBadoritz]

High Mick, ventilation's tough, even for the pros! I just got back from a new home that is going to get it's lived in basement torn up to run new supply and return lines to get rid of a slightly musty odor coming from a closet under the stairs, oops.

Small spaces are the toughest, tiny ones are even worse.

At least you've got another piece to your puzzle... I'm still looking for the box top to see what my puzzle looks like

 

[OldMedMan]

Hi OMM. I agree, we learn as we go. As long as things keep improving I can be patient. I'm not surprised that my grow room requires some tweaking, kind of expected to find a few things that could be beneficially adjusted.

Gotta set a pace that your comfortable with OMM, we don't want you wearing yourself out.

I've got some catching up to do but I've got 3 computers sitting here that are in need of repair. Gotta get them back to their owners so I can get some space back.

HI Mmmmick You are right my friend this harvest got me mentally and physically. I have put a few things into action to help both things. Not going through that again. Live and learn and then improve with lessons learned .
Famous last words

You do computers too? I finally stopped. Except in dire emergencies for friends. I hope you are making a bit of money off of it!

 

[Mmmmick]

My issue is that my grow hut is in a room with no windows and only one door. Almost like what you did, one of my options was to have intake/exhaust running out the door into a larger (fairly ventilated) room. My plan B was to make a hole and vent exhaust into the attic (this is now Plan A).

I'm shooting for finishing this project today... so hopefully I'll be posting pictures of my finished setup tonight. Hopefully will have rooted clones ready to pot by Friday.

Hi JG. I'd go with the hole into the attic. Why cut up a door when gyprock is so easy to repair? Just ensure, if you vent into your attic, that there is a vent to the outside close to the end of your exhaust tubing so you don't end up with a moldy attic. I'm running tubing into my attic but the exhaust will exit from a soffit/eave vent directly to the outside.

 

[Mmmmick]

High Mick, ventilation's tough, even for the pros! I just got back from a new home that is going to get it's lived in basement torn up to run new supply and return lines to get rid of a slightly musty odor coming from a closet under the stairs, oops.

Small spaces are the toughest, tiny ones are even worse.

At least you've got another piece to your puzzle... I'm still looking for the box top to see what my puzzle looks like

High Horse, glad I don't have to tear things up too badly. Just a 4" exit hole in the ceiling and about a 5 foot run to the eaves. I considered doing that initially but thought I could make it work in one window. Now I know better, so another marginally painful lesson learned, heheh.

You'll get your grow tweaked soon enough I'm sure.

 

[Mmmmick]

HI Mmmmick You are right my friend this harvest got me mentally and physically. I have put a few things into action to help both things. Not going through that again. Live and learn and then improve with lessons learned .
Famous last words

You do computers too? I finally stopped. Except in dire emergencies for friends. I hope you are making a bit of money off of it!

Hey OMM, sometimes we go a little too deep. You've got a good start on a staggered grow now so the workload can be spread around somewhat.

Yeah I do some comp repairs but just for the immediate family and an occasional friend. New hard drive in one, reloaded all but some utilities (XP Pro SP3), it's a few years old, not worth upgrading to run W7. A friend has one that needs a new motherboard, I believe. works great until it just stops, with a power issue. Maybe a connector/cable issue. Last time i had it here it started working again on it's own before I id'ed the problem, lasted about 3 months. I did swap out the power supply while the pc was still reluctant but no change. The last is my second system, which is tossing blue screens around randomly. I haven't even looked at it yet.

All freebies, of course, except parts. I don't mind fixing them for free but I'm not about to start buying parts as well.

 

[OldMedMan]

Hi Mmmmick!

I got you on the computer repairs.....my stand exactly....they pay for the parts, but we know that the real cost involved is labor and that's a good saving to them.

So your going through the ceiling and out from the attic with your hot air? That will do it for you! Hope it's an easy job for you.

I remember back in your first closet grow, you talked about your room and heat.
I thought about a vent back then, but at the time you didn't want to do any permanent damage to the room. As your grows got better, the need increased for good air flow. Like you said the repair to the ceiling or wall will be easy to fix if you ever need to close it up. Sure will help with the smell too!

Take care my friend!

 

[Siscokid]

HellOOO! Mmmmmick, just wanted to drop in to let you know that even though I'm not posting much, that I'm still here. Take care brother.

 

[Mmmmick]

Hi Mmmmick!

I got you on the computer repairs.....my stand exactly....they pay for the parts, but we know that the real cost involved is labor and that's a good saving to them.

So your going through the ceiling and out from the attic with your hot air? That will do it for you! Hope it's an easy job for you.

I remember back in your first closet grow, you talked about your room and heat.
I thought about a vent back then, but at the time you didn't want to do any permanent damage to the room. As your grows got better, the need increased for good air flow. Like you said the repair to the ceiling or wall will be easy to fix if you ever need to close it up. Sure will help with the smell too!

Take care my friend!

Hi OMM, I don't mind helping friends with pc troubles. It's not physically demanding, at least.

Yeah the flow through my room needs to be optimized or I'll have to go with a 6" fan and ducting.(might yet) The current room is on the main level of my house so there is only one ceiling to deal with. I'll only have a six foot run to an attic exhaust vent from my fan also, four feet if I put in a soffit vent. The basement grow required holes through a finished ceiling in the basement, a hardwood floor on the main level and another finished ceiling. Not to mention 14 feet to get to an exhaust point.

 

[Mmmmick]

HellOOO! Mmmmmick, just wanted to drop in to let you know that even though I'm not posting much, that I'm still here. Take care brother.

High sisco, good to see you. Hope things are going well for you and yours. Visit when you can, bro, you're always welcome.

 

[Sonzor]

Hello Mmmmick just stopping in to see how things are. Looks like moving right along... Take it slow and easy....

 

[Mmmmick]

Hey sonzor, thanks for stopping in. I'm patiently waiting for these girls to finish but I think they are taking their time because of the partial reveg they were pushed into.
Still looking for some amber at this point. They'll get there.

 

[Gordon d'Angelo]

Hi weedtastic. I suggested OMM ask you about BudRotStop because I thought it might work as prevention on his outdoor plants when the colas are thick. You used it on bud rot a couple of grows back and I thought it worked well. Maybe not useful in an outdoor grow as the sun might kill off the active bacteria before it can do it's job. Anything on the label that advises against outdoor use?

Baking soda works for PM but I would not mix it anywhere near as strong as suggested above. I've used 1 teaspoon to a gallon of water. If this method is used it's simple enough to check PH as the solution is created and stop when the PH is 7 or higher.

Skim milk is excellent for controlling PM, no danger to the plant and will foliar feed calcium while controlling PM. 1 part skim milk 4 parts water.

I don't know that baking soda or skim milk are effective against bud rot just PM.

hi mate so sorry for missing this post.....ive just caught up......yes it says its fine for outside use.....id actually forgotten about the bud rot stop...(its been in the kitchen cupboard for months )it costs £20 english pounds so not to expensive for the benifits......hope this helps OMM

Hi NastyAce, lots of great info here on 420.


Here's a tidbit you can learn from. Another screwup on my part.


I discovered that my air exhaust and intake are forming almost a closed loop. Smell isn't near as strong as it should be. And trichs aren't as developed either. Not many on the leaves.

I finally got a look at a grow that a friend is doing, using the same strain of mango's under a combined led total of around 250w and his plants are a little larger and smell a lot stronger. Trichs are way more developed also. I thought my room smelled quite strong but nothing like his. However the major difference is the feel of the plants. My buds and some leaves feel stiff, like over nuted with synthetic ferts or salts(almost like a plastic plant). He is in promix also and using Botanicare products same as I am.

I think it's mainly an airflow issue, possibly made worse by the use of baking soda for ph adjustment. I only use 1/8th or less of a teaspoon and the plants have been flushed 4 times in total, but I've had the same issue with the feel of the plants in every grow and haven't used baking soda in them all. I'm only giving them water now, with an occasional tea. I'll switch to PH up for the next grow, whenever that may be. When dried (5 days in a box) the buds retain a spongy density and they retain their shape. They don't quick dry, it's a gradual process. In the box they become softer, until close to dry. I've had denser buds but this set of plants had 5 weeks of high flowering temps so they are looser in structure.(not to mention the reveg issue) Jarred buds have more smell than previous efforts but I don't think they are anywhere near their potential.

So, long story but I got back to my grow room after checking his and put smoke through the air system and a significant amount of smoke was being recirculated. I should have done the smoke thing in the beginning but there seemed to be lots of air coming in the intake so I figured it was good.

I made a few changes to the air intake and exhaust so that they are completely separate, absolutely no recirculation taking place. Maybe that'll help with the rest of these plants, they've probably only got a couple of weeks left if that.

Before attempting to grow mj I've never felt like a complete fooking dummy, but these plants seem to be able to bring out the stupid in me. Every screwup has seemed so obvious once discovered that I've been kicking my own butt for not seeing them in advance. Sometimes I almost wish I wasn't too stubborn to quit.[/QUOTE........hi mate stop beating yourself up....do you not remember me putting my veg vent into my grow room and leaving it 3 days......till i discovered bud rot.........how obvious was that ?......sometimes the obvious stares us right in the face.....so close we can t see it.......its not the end of the world and im sure they will finish just fine....just a little longer perhaps......but least your next grow will be better again........a little tweak here and there and all will be fine.......don t forget your still doing a good job......again my appoligies for falling so behind.........be lucky mate.......weedtastic

 

[wifecaretaker]

Hey Mmmmick, great job as usual. Have a question for you. Going to do a 12/12 from seed. I want to do some breeding to get additional seeds. Is it ok to breed brother and sister? Will they have birth defects? Just a thought

 

[NastyAce05]

Hi NastyAce, lots of great info here on 420.


Here's a tidbit you can learn from. Another screwup on my part.


I discovered that my air exhaust and intake are forming almost a closed loop. Smell isn't near as strong as it should be. And trichs aren't as developed either. Not many on the leaves.

I finally got a look at a grow that a friend is doing, using the same strain of mango's under a combined led total of around 250w and his plants are a little larger and smell a lot stronger. Trichs are way more developed also. I thought my room smelled quite strong but nothing like his. However the major difference is the feel of the plants. My buds and some leaves feel stiff, like over nuted with synthetic ferts or salts(almost like a plastic plant). He is in promix also and using Botanicare products same as I am.

I think it's mainly an airflow issue, possibly made worse by the use of baking soda for ph adjustment. I only use 1/8th or less of a teaspoon and the plants have been flushed 4 times in total, but I've had the same issue with the feel of the plants in every grow and haven't used baking soda in them all. I'm only giving them water now, with an occasional tea. I'll switch to PH up for the next grow, whenever that may be. When dried (5 days in a box) the buds retain a spongy density and they retain their shape. They don't quick dry, it's a gradual process. In the box they become softer, until close to dry. I've had denser buds but this set of plants had 5 weeks of high flowering temps so they are looser in structure.(not to mention the reveg issue) Jarred buds have more smell than previous efforts but I don't think they are anywhere near their potential.

So, long story but I got back to my grow room after checking his and put smoke through the air system and a significant amount of smoke was being recirculated. I should have done the smoke thing in the beginning but there seemed to be lots of air coming in the intake so I figured it was good.

I made a few changes to the air intake and exhaust so that they are completely separate, absolutely no recirculation taking place. Maybe that'll help with the rest of these plants, they've probably only got a couple of weeks left if that.

Before attempting to grow mj I've never felt like a complete fooking dummy, but these plants seem to be able to bring out the stupid in me. Every screwup has seemed so obvious once discovered that I've been kicking my own butt for not seeing them in advance. Sometimes I almost wish I wasn't too stubborn to quit.[/QUOTE........hi mate stop beating yourself up....do you not remember me putting my veg vent into my grow room and leaving it 3 days......till i discovered bud rot.........how obvious was that ?......sometimes the obvious stares us right in the face.....so close we can t see it.......its not the end of the world and im sure they will finish just fine....just a little longer perhaps......but least your next grow will be better again........a little tweak here and there and all will be fine.......don t forget your still doing a good job......again my appoligies for falling so behind.........be lucky mate.......weedtastic

lol Same here man it hit me on the clumsy side always dropping thing i shouldn't drop. short story In less then two months ive broken 13 glass pieces that i end up leaving on my lap and forget about it get up to do something and SPLAT!!! there goes my glass all over my tile floor!!! So mimick whats good with the updates !!! lol

 

[Mmmmick]

hi mate so sorry for missing this post.....ive just caught up......yes it says its fine for outside use.....id actually forgotten about the bud rot stop...(its been in the kitchen cupboard for months )it costs £20 english pounds so not to expensive for the benifits......hope this helps OMM

That might be the answer to OMMs occasional bud rot issues, thanks weedtastic. Don't worry about catching up, it's good to see you back.


:[/QUOTE........hi mate stop beating yourself up....do you not remember me putting my veg vent into my grow room and leaving it 3 days......till i discovered bud rot.........how obvious was that ?......sometimes the obvious stares us right in the face.....so close we can t see it.......its not the end of the world and im sure they will finish just fine....just a little longer perhaps......but least your next grow will be better again........a little tweak here and there and all will be fine.......don t forget your still doing a good job......again my appoligies for falling so behind.........be lucky mate.......weedtastic

yeah the beating myself up part is my way of making sure it sinks in, heheh Probably seems more negative than it's intended to be. We all do questionable things at times, I guess. As long as the experience produces some sort of insight into the grow process it's worthwhile. I can't deny that I've improved my methods in a lot of ways and I'm sure there'll be further improvements as I get more grows completed. Each problem is just another way to make things better. And there's always been some decent smoke as a result, so I'm more pleased than it may seem.

I always appreciate your comments and observations my friend. Thats what makes these sites work.