Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed Planted New Year's Eve During the Blue Moon

[Lil Neutrino]

Re: Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed planted New Year's Eve during the blue mo

Well...I was certainly impressed when I opened the cabinet up this afternoon to check on the lil woman. At first glance I wasn't sure I had really LST'd her because she has taken to it so well already. Her tip has already corrected itself and grown at least another inch. The rest of the foliage has also adjusted itself accordingly.

The helper cat who tried to eat one of the seedlings during my last grow...I think she's looking for some bud or something underneath. She always comes and sits next to us when we smoke a bowl awaiting her second-hand charge lol

The new seedling is not doing too well, almost zero new growth since it popped up from the soil. I won't cry if it doesn't make it but I wouldn't mind having an extra plant that I can just throw in to 12/12 right away for some lagniappe buds.

 

[MountainHigh]

Re: Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed planted New Year's Eve during the blue mo

She is beautiful bro, cool cat too. I think you will be soo happy with her LSTed, she just looked like a kinky chick to me. I love the rubber bands, that will give her great exercise!!! That stem is already fat, can't wait for it to beef up from it's Body by Lil Neutrino power bands!!!

I think this girl could end up making you very happy.

from the mountains, and rep when I can again.

 

[OldMedMan]

Re: Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed planted New Year's Eve during the blue mo

That lil girl looks beautiful. +rep
I had three cats just like yours. Sure miss em. The last one lived 18 years.
That plant of yours is just perfect

 

[Siscokid]

Re: Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed planted New Year's Eve during the blue mo

Great looking gal Lil N! I am a believer of cutting fan leaves while in veg, don't know if you want to try it cause of the solar panel theory... I have noticed on my scrog grow that the more I cut off the more they love it.

I also have been getting compliments about there bushiness, that happens cause the fan leafs don't cover the inter-nodes and they have time to grow out before more fan leafs grow around them.

I would not hesitate to cut fan leafs off anymore, there has been no slowing down on their growth either.

The girl is looking great though and please don't feel like I am pushing for you to do anything, I just wanted to share my experience with you.

Great job so far!

 

[Lil Neutrino]

Re: Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed planted New Year's Eve during the blue mo

She is beautiful bro, cool cat too. I think you will be soo happy with her LSTed, she just looked like a kinky chick to me. I love the rubber bands, that will give her great exercise!!! That stem is already fat, can't wait for it to beef up from it's Body by Lil Neutrino power bands!!!

I think this girl could end up making you very happy.

from the mountains, and rep when I can again.

hahaha, Lil N's P-Bands....kind of like the BowFlex with variable resistance cables lol. That cat is bipolar, something about calicos apparently but it makes them very interesting. Calm and sucking up love in your lap one second and then bitchy and combative the next...and then gets mad when you stop petting her lol.

That lil girl looks beautiful. +rep
I had three cats just like yours. Sure miss em. The last one lived 18 years.
That plant of yours is just perfect

Thanks OMM...not sure what I'd do without my cats, actually I do, I wound up buying a tarantula. Still have her too, going on six years old and 7" but she's due for a molt soon and should be pushing 7.5" after that (still another 1.5-2" to go!). 18 years is an oooooold cat, my dad still has one from when I was in high school (another calico) that is pushing 16 I think.

Great looking gal Lil N! I am a believer of cutting fan leaves while in veg, don't know if you want to try it cause of the solar panel theory... I have noticed on my scrog grow that the more I cut off the more they love it.

I also have been getting compliments about there bushiness, that happens cause the fan leafs don't cover the inter-nodes and they have time to grow out before more fan leafs grow around them.

I would not hesitate to cut fan leafs off anymore, there has been no slowing down on their growth either.

The girl is looking great though and please don't feel like I am pushing for you to do anything, I just wanted to share my experience with you.

Great job so far!

I'm not against it I'm just paranoid about stressing it too much and causing it to hermie...although honestly I'm still convinced it occurs solely because of stress, I'm leaning more towards genetics, probably a bit of both actually. Right now it doesn't seem she's having any problems getting those internodes to grow out, popped the door open on her today and rearranged some fan leaves but I'm going to "have" to get some string or something and tie some of them out of the way. I'd prefer to just move them rather than cut them if at all possible although this one is just begging me to take clones. I have everything I need to do it but I need to fix up my original veg cabinet that I threw together when the seeds from my first grow actually germinated and took me a bit by surprise lol. But the main cabinet comes first since everything is still in veg.

I appreciate the suggestion and think I'll use a modified version that does not require cutting anything

 

[k-wyld]

Re: Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed planted New Year's Eve during the blue mo

Looking good Neut. She definantley looks appropriate with the crown

 

[Lil Neutrino]

Re: Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed planted New Year's Eve during the blue mo

Finally got most of the cabinet mods finished...chandelier inspired by the one Roseman posted in the "CFL Tutorial" thread. I never thought about using PVC, makes sense though. Pics of original cabinet are somewhere on the first page of this thread...or links to them, or both, don't recall but I know they're there.

In short I needed to modify the front panel/door of my cabinet because it was too heavy/long for the three hinges I had originally used. I had had to mount caster wheels under the far end to help hold it up and make latching it shut easier. The latches themselves worked but left some light gaps due to the flexibility of the large front panel (4'X4') even with 2X2 braces mounted (half ass) across it. Also needed to come up with a more permanent/user-friendly chandelier for my CFL's.

Solutions involved a PVC based chandelier and cutting the front panel in to three pieces (2 - 1'X4' and 1 - 2'X4') to allow for hingless operation. The two smaller pieces are permanently fixed to the cabinet with one on each side. The larger piece will sit between the two fixed side panels with four (maybe six, we'll see how it does with two pairs first) slide latches, the same ones I already had, mounted two to a side operating left/right to hold the center panel in place. Behind this removable panel will be some vinyl weatherstrip, I may have to get some washers to offset the latches a millimeter or two to allow slightly easier latching. This weatherstrip isn't very squishy so forcing much compression will probably be futile...and who wants to work that hard to close their grow space up?

I also watered her with a regular dose of EJ Bloom and EJ Catalyst as I am planning on taking some clones in a week and had read bloom nutes can help with cloning; plus the Catalyst can't hurt. Only problem was that in my busy-ness I neglected to check the pH of the final solution before watering. I had mixed it last night and kept shaking it throughout the day to help promote aeration. I still have some left so I can check it and see what it's at and when I need to water again in a few days I'll hit it with a correctly pH'd solution to try and minimize any potential shock from the pH swing (if any, haven't checked yet).

Putting the 2X4's in to place, these will serve to help mount the fixed pieces and allow for something flush to put the weatherstrip around to help seal the removable center piece when it is latched in to place.

Side pieces mounted

Center panel in test position

Chandelier in process, almost finished. I opted to try and use plumber's strap to keep the two halves separated so no broken bulbs. Although...I did manage to crush one in my hand, it was one of my 6500K which worked out fine as I decided to run three 2700K and all nine of the remaining 6500K's. Sounded like a good ratio based on what I've read.

Say goodbye to the "torch", considering it was a sub-optimal arrangement (more end point source than side source) it has worked rather well.

TA-DAAAAAAA!

From underneath

Side shot. The wood mounts on the plumbing strap are temporary. The only kind the store had in stock was much thinner gauge than what I previously had (or have, can't find it). Even when doubled up it was not stiff enough so I may wind up going with some threaded rod or maybe PVC, I'm still not done working out the lights yet. In the meantime I had to screw some short pieces of 2X2 to the strap to increase rigidity enough to keep seperation. What is done is staying but I still have some Y-splitters sitting around and some coupons for CFLs

Shot from directly overhead, note the new shoots breaking through the large fan leaves. All I've done is help guide them through the foliage to the nearest light...seems to be working so far. I now have some yarn but haven't had time to sit down and "groom" her yet.

Still need to put the latches on as well as the weatherstrip. Also need to figure out a hood and get some window screen to cover the intake ports in the bottom. The amount of hair and dust coming through there is horrendous and needs to be addressed. I hate carpet except in the bedroom and this is in my bedroom but what makes it bad is that it is long carpet that I don't think was steam cleaned before we moved in. Anyway, um, yeah....any questions? Comments? Jokes at my expense? lol

 

[OldMedMan]

Re: Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed planted New Year's Eve during the blue mo

Lil Neutrino I love the box/room you made. First rate.

Your lights are what I like. Absolutely a work of genius . That is the best CFL set up I have ever seen. You would laugh at the way I made my CFL holder.
You have some really great building skills my friend.

And the girl looks great too.

Sorry, I couldn't +rep ya. But I did try.

 

[Lil Neutrino]

Re: Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed planted New Year's Eve during the blue mo

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Minor disaster....

Thanks OMM...but we just had some serious design malfunctions here Burnt leaves...chandelier came apart in some key locations. Apparently it got a bit warm and the electrical tape got stretchy and it fell apart in to the plant. Luckily my gf had to wake up at 3AM to check on something she is baking so when I woke her up I saw the thermometer was reading 88F! Popped open the cabinet and went in to a mad scramble when I realized what was going on. In the process of trying to lift the chandlier off the plant and get it out I knocked over the seedling that was in the cup next to it. Managed to find it while scooping up the dirt and replanted it...if it makes it great, if not it wasn't faring too well anyway. *shrugs*

Managed to get her out and assess the damage, I'd say it's relatively minor. I have no idea how long the chandlier was sitting on her but I don't think it was that long based on the damage. The leaves are still bendable, they're not dried out crispy but I have a feeling I have lost some fan leaf fingers (Sisco...might be going your route involuntarily lol). Only one or two tiny pieces of the newer growth got burnt but none at the main tip.

All in all I think I'm pretty lucky, it could have been a lot worse. This is why I don't like to throw new things together and leave them unattended without testing them first. But alas it was quite late when I finished and the plant had to have light, it appeared sturdy, so I broke a rule and got bit. It's embarrassing enough that I'm not even going to post pics of the chandelier lol, suffice to say if you have an imagination you'll figure it out.

Reason I say I am lucky is that since my gf had to get up at 3AM after going to bed at 1AM I stayed up and posted pics and watched TV. She didn't get up at 3 so I went in at 3:15 to wake her up and noticed the high temps and that was when the madness began. If she hadn't been baking tonight I may not have had the opportunity to catch it so fast. Usually I go to bed around 3-4AM and check the temp before crawling under the covers, sometimes I go to bed much earlier. If I had just gone to sleep earlier like I SHOULD have (getting over a mild cold) it would have cooked that poor plant for six more hours until the lights shut off! PHEW!

Need another bowl now...

 

[Lil Neutrino]

Re: Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed planted New Year's Eve during the blue mo

In retrospect I should have anticipated this considering I know how electrical tape works when it gets hot outside...I have a small piece of PVC pipe leftover, about 8", so tomorrow I'll break out the circular saw again and properly connect these things together. The electrical tape was actually rather solid when I built it, I just did not think that the air temp around the tape would get warm enough to cause it to stretch. Live and learn...the more you know the more you grow, and now we all know not to use electrical tape in place of PVC (duh) HAHAHAH

 

[MountainHigh]

Re: Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed planted New Year's Eve during the blue mo

It could of been much worse bro, I think all she is gonna lose is a couple fans and maybe not all of those if you don't mind a bit of deformation. I leave all the damaged leaves now, I just trim the cancer off as it tends to spread faster. Lilbit got a light fixture on her, not as bad as your baby, but I just trimmed the damage and she forgave me, but not sure she didn't grow those six balls to stress me out like I did her with the light lol. Might wanna include a bit of B1 in her next watering to help with shock and she will forget it even happened.

On the cabinet...light looked nice. I recommend drilling little holes and sinking self tapping screws...always drill more holes if you wanna move it's config.

Brother.

 

[OldMedMan]

Re: Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed planted New Year's Eve during the blue mo

In retrospect I should have anticipated this considering I know how electrical tape works when it gets hot outside...I have a small piece of PVC pipe leftover, about 8", so tomorrow I'll break out the circular saw again and properly connect these things together. The electrical tape was actually rather solid when I built it, I just did not think that the air temp around the tape would get warm enough to cause it to stretch. Live and learn...the more you know the more you grow, and now we all know not to use electrical tape in place of PVC (duh) HAHAHAH

Oh! Man! What a thing to wake up too.....heart attack. Your not alone, I learned quickly to take my plants out of the box to work on my lights the hard way.

Sure glad you got to it in time...it could have been a total loss. You must live right and have good Karma. Sure looked good and I thought the tape was ok too. Never know. Sounds like your gonna make that thing indestructible now.

 

[Lil Neutrino]

Re: Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed planted New Year's Eve during the blue mo

...as in Vitamin B1? SuperThrive? Been meaning to get some so this might be the extra incentive I needed lol. Gave my bottle away when I moved cross-country.

On the cabinet...light looked nice. I recommend drilling little holes and sinking self tapping screws...always drill more holes if you wanna move it's config.

The pvc pipe fits very very tight, once it's in it's not going anywhere without some serious deliberate action. I'm gonna look at it tomorrow afternoon and see where I can add Y-splitters to cover the most plant surface. Right now I have the rear half of the chandelier electrically disconnected because it was too hard to get to to repair, gf was trying to sleep three feet away! 8( Also removed the lower 2700K bulb because it was threatening to overheat my repair job so it's down to five 26W bulbs for the rest of the ON cycle, five more hours or so. I figure better to give it less light than to risk a repeat and worse consequences, might appreciate it after the trauma. *shrugs* I know I'll sleep better knowing it shouldn't have any more problems until I can make a serious repair effort.

After spending as much as I did on the parts I shouldn't have skimped when it came to connecting everything together. Like you said, probably no biggie and we all got to see an example of what not to do!

 

[Lil Neutrino]

Re: Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed planted New Year's Eve during the blue mo

Oh! Man! What a thing to wake up too.....heart attack. Your not alone, I learned quickly to take my plants out of the box to work on my lights the hard way.

Yeah, except I had never gone to sleep since my sleep schedule is so f'd right now...up at 1PM, going on 5AM, 'bout time for bed lol.

Sure glad you got to it in time...it could have been a total loss. You must live right and have good Karma. Sure looked good and I thought the tape was ok too. Never know. Sounds like your gonna make that thing indestructible now.

I try...it's a give and take thing, apparently more giving than taking

Let's see, very old (4-5 years) improperly stored seed, mutant looking seedling, three transplants in less than six weeks (normal for my grows though), bent over and tied down, watered with a tasty treat only to find it too acidic (most likely, scared to check now lol), then branded with some hot light-on-leaf intimate action....yeah, indestructible here we come!!!

 

[MountainHigh]

Re: Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed planted New Year's Eve during the blue mo

...as in Vitamin B1? SuperThrive? Been meaning to get some so this might be the extra incentive I needed lol. Gave my bottle away when I moved cross-country.

Yeah, this is when a 1/4 teaspoon a gallon is actually used, to recover damaged or sickly plants. Helps immune system....I mean read the bottle, the stuff walks on water. Has a synthetic version of a plant hormone too. (Steroids ). I used it extensively during veg and early bloom, I don't add it during bloom...worried steroids and women wanting to be men...damn hermi's.

brother.

 

[luxx]

Re: Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed planted New Year's Eve during the blue mo

hey lil, sucks about your lights, the design looked solid, made me think about how i have mine. Why didnt you use primer and sealant glue on the pvc? Other than E-tape, metal duct tape is my new favorite tool(and a reflective bonus).

I am glad that your significant other likes to cook during the night. Otherwise it would have been a funeral for the plant. And, god forbid, in the unlikeliness of the most unfortunate, would be to have a house fire while your sleeping.

Magnetic door latches, what do you think? Will it pull the doors hard enough to block light? One of us will have to try it, right?
Well i am off to buy a smoke detector and a small fire extingusher. ttyl

 

[Lil Neutrino]

Re: Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed planted New Year's Eve during the blue mo

hey lil, sucks about your lights, the design looked solid, made me think about how i have mine. Why didnt you use primer and sealant glue on the pvc? Other than E-tape, metal duct tape is my new favorite tool(and a reflective bonus).

I didn't glue the pieces because I wanted the ability to easily disassemble it and modify the angles and whatnot. The tees that are connected via the PVC pipe are insanely tight, I had to have my gf pull on the pipe while I held the tee when I was test fitting it is such a tight fit (or I'm too strong for myself? HA!). I should have used duct tape but today I'm gonna fix it with the leftover PVC. Live and learn...live and learn...

I am glad that your significant other likes to cook during the night. Otherwise it would have been a funeral for the plant. And, god forbid, in the unlikeliness of the most unfortunate, would be to have a house fire while your sleeping.

Yeah, she was working on a King Cake for Mardi Gras but couldn't start until she got home from work and at this altitude it takes dough much longer to rise so she didn't get to throw it in the oven until pretty late. She'd nap for an hour or so, check on it, nap some more, etc...but yes, we are very lucky that things transpired the way they did. I too thought about the house fire potential afterwards and it was a bit sobering but goes to show you should TEST TEST TEST first as that e-tape WAS very solid before it got warm but it doesn't take much to make it stretchy.

Magnetic door latches, what do you think? Will it pull the doors hard enough to block light? One of us will have to try it, right?
Well i am off to buy a smoke detector and a small fire extingusher. ttyl

I'm going to say they're probably too weak, I had considered them when I first built my cabinet too along with the double roller catches (Architectural Builders Supply Inc. - Trim & Auxiliary - Roller Catches). The roller catches didn't have nearly the "grab and hold" that I needed and the magnetic ones, from experience, are probably relatively weak but if you have a fairly light door then they might work. Try it with a few and see if you'd need to buy so many that it would be cost prohibitive. My main concern would be, as you mentioned, pulling hard enough against the weatherstrip around the door to seal it. There ARE some industrial strength magnetic latches that would work quite well but I don't think they're very cheap. People use them on their extreme SPL competition vehicles (Sound Pressure Level) sometimes...usually about the time they swap their windows out for 1" bulletproof glass and rebuild the interiors with MDF and concrete But I don't know anything about that... *listens to the tinnitus in his ears*

 

[DroJo]

Re: Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed planted New Year's Eve during the blue mo

Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice lil hood there... I would jus add something at the top to keep more of the light in. I wouldnt worry about the leaves they'll bounce back. You prolly jus have to raise the light fixture a couple inches. Hood looks gangsta tho


dro

 

[Lil Neutrino]

Re: Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed planted New Year's Eve during the blue mo

Thanks DroJo, I was looking at potential hoods while I was at the store but due to limited cash on hand I decided to hold off until I had the final design so I'd know exactly what I was dealing with. I do want to put one though if not just to help block some of the light shining up and out of the exhaust vents. I still have a couple weeks of veg left I think but I'd like to have it done when I go to flower.

 

[luxx]

Re: Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed planted New Year's Eve during the blue mo

well i am using a wardrobe so the doors are flimsy, on ebay there are some extra strong mags for 9.99, ima go to lowes and get the ones that are 1.50 a piece, get like 8 of them, AAAnd use the pieces of wood to make a inner ring with weatherstripping. Then get the silicone and seal the dog stuff out of it.

I worked in a car audio shop for a while, build a spl car, wall of 4 15s, 2 RF800.1s 1/2 inch dynomat the whole car. After i was done, the v6 in the car got 9 miles to the gallon. BUT i could make a full 2liter do a complete flip off of my roof. 148.2 dbs w/ one blown sub. It still wasnt loud enough, although i did set off the motion alarms at a 30 story bank one night in the parking garage. (worked there) Cops hated me.