Is this leaf septoria? If so, what should I do?

[Dustin84]

Putting nets over your plants works well too, if they can't get to your plants then they can't lay the eggs in the first place. That is what I was doing until my plants became too big for the nets I had. After that, daily inspections for eggs have worked well too.

This is what moth eggs look like. Normally I find them on the exterior of the canopy but a few days ago I did come across a leaf covered like this in the center, bottom of one of my canopies.....damn crafty moth!

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• Lovie
• Aug 9, 2024

Definitely requires regular inspections. I need to get a black light. Overall my harvest is better than I initially thought. I pulled before any serious rot could start. I'm doing this starting with a handful of seeds and no real funds. Indoor hydroponics is looking like the better route to avoid most issues. I think I'll be adjusting landscaping a bit. Flowers, marigolds placed accordingly, multiple grow spots. One to attract the pests, 2 or 3 to maintain. Have a few acres to work with.

 

[Lovie]

Definitely requires regular inspections. I need to get a black light. Overall my harvest is better than I initially thought. I pulled before any serious rot could start. I'm doing this starting with a handful of seeds and no real funds. Indoor hydroponics is looking like the better route to avoid most issues. I think I'll be adjusting landscaping a bit. Flowers, marigolds placed accordingly, multiple grow spots. One to attract the pests, 2 or 3 to maintain. Have a few acres to work with.

One thing to keep in mind when choosing companion plants.......some plants that make good companion plants for cannabis do not play well together. It doesn't mean you can't have them in the same garden but you need to make sure they are spaced away from each other.

 

[Lovie]

Even though I have a new issue with this plant I didn't want to start a new thread. From my research, I think it is a potassium deficiency, but I keep adding potassium, and the problem isn't improving. What is causing the burnt edges? Also, this plant has several side branches struggling to support the weight of the buds. I have tied a lot of them up to help support the weight but I was wondering if there is anything organic I can add to strengthen the side branches to help support the weight of the buds? This plant has a lot of super skinny but long side branches (I measured a few of them. They are anywhere from 2.5 to 3.5 feet long depending on where they start from) and the top 10 to 15 inches of them are covered in buds. I don't know if there is an organic way to strengthen the branches but if there is I want to do it because I am still 4 to 6 weeks away from harvest so I assume the problem will only get worse. Also, I have the septoria under control.....I don't want the branches laying on each other to cause it to get bad again.

 

[InTheShed]

Bamboo is more organic than PVC if that's what you had in mind. In terms of feeding the plant something to strengthen the branches at this stage, even the folks who swear that silica makes their branches stronger would probably tell you it's too late to strengthen them at this stage.

What are you adding to increase the potassium in the soil? Those leaves could be a phosphorus toxicity as well. Actually, what's your feeding regimen generally?

 

[Lovie]

I don't exactly have a regimen. I am still figuring it all out. I should have left everything alone. Biobizz has a liquid, organic line I decided to try. Things were good and I decided to try adding some liquid organic fertilizer. My thought behind using it was if I didn't see any signs of toxicity afterward then I could add some bone meal and langbeinite to boost the phosphorus and potassium for budding. If I saw signs of toxicity then I could just flush it since it was liquid and all would return to normal. After I gave it I saw this. I assumed it was a toxicity issue, flushed and waited. The problem continued to get worse. I looked online and from what I could tell it looked like a potassium deficiency. I added some potash and added some phosphorus too. The problem still seems to be getting worse.

As far as the PVC and bamboo sticks. If you look closely I do have 2 bamboo sticks. I bought all the store had that day because several of my plants were struggling with the weight of the buds being wet from the rain. After using all the bamboo sticks I had I had to improvise with what I had lying around the house. I lost a huge section of one of my plants....check out this thread.

Can my plant be put back together again?

Great job putting back together! Yes it's not looking good, but maybe hang in there for a bit, She's not going to establish an upward flow immediately after fixing, or might never, but well the day after is a bit too soon to tell. You can make butter for cake with the younger buds from that...

www.420magazine.com

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[InTheShed]

Sorry about your loss. I never check the UV index btw, just the air temps. In the mid 90s I try to move them into dappled shade. I'm assuming the UV index on a blue sky day in Los Angeles is about as high as it can get at sea level.

I have no idea in terms of bone meal and langbeinite, but I do know that lots of elements lock out other elements as the concentrations get too high in soil.

Potassium locks out phosphorus and vice versa, which is why folks who build their own LOS either stick to a tried and true recipe or spend any number of grows sorting out one of their own.

 

[Dustin84]

I don't exactly have a regimen. I am still figuring it all out. I should have left everything alone. Biobizz has a liquid, organic line I decided to try. Things were good and I decided to try adding some liquid organic fertilizer. My thought behind using it was if I didn't see any signs of toxicity afterward then I could add some bone meal and langbeinite to boost the phosphorus and potassium for budding. If I saw signs of toxicity then I could just flush it since it was liquid and all would return to normal. After I gave it I saw this. I assumed it was a toxicity issue, flushed and waited. The problem continued to get worse. I looked online and from what I could tell it looked like a potassium deficiency. I added some potash and added some phosphorus too. The problem still seems to be getting worse.

As far as the PVC and bamboo sticks. If you look closely I do have 2 bamboo sticks. I bought all the store had that day because several of my plants were struggling with the weight of the buds being wet from the rain. After using all the bamboo sticks I had I had to improvise with what I had lying around the house. I lost a huge section of one of my plants....check out this thread.

Can my plant be put back together again?

Great job putting back together! Yes it's not looking good, but maybe hang in there for a bit, She's not going to establish an upward flow immediately after fixing, or might never, but well the day after is a bit too soon to tell. You can make butter for cake with the younger buds from that...

www.420magazine.com

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I used t posts for one this year. 6 ft plant with a cola about a foot from the ground. Rush job to hold it up. I shook most enough early on to be sturdy. I laugh at the thought about trying to be gentle with them..

 

[Lovie]

I have an Android phone. Every phone I ever had has been an Android. My life is backed up to Google and the thought of trying to switch it all seems like an unnecessary pain. That being said, every phone I have ever had had the Weather Channel App pre-installed on the main screen. When you open the app it displays the UV index on the first page. I am on the east coast. The weather this year has been very abnormal. It seemed like the hot humid weather we get starting at the end of April normally didn't start until June. Normally by now we have mild weather in the 70s. Currently, the days it is not raining the weather has been in the mid-80s. it normally never rains this much this time of year. It is like we are having spring in the fall time.

Thanks for the Mulder Chart. I didn't scratch the potash or phosphorus down very deep into the soil. Maybe I should scrap the top couple of inches off and top dress?

 

[Lovie]

I used t posts for one this year. 6 ft plant with a cola about a foot from the ground. Rush job to hold it up. I shook most enough early on to be sturdy. I laugh at the thought about trying to be gentle with them..

Only problem is all seems well until it's not. I have broken enough branches now that I try to be careful even though they seem strong.

 

[Dustin84]

Even though I have a new issue with this plant I didn't want to start a new thread. From my research, I think it is a potassium deficiency, but I keep adding potassium, and the problem isn't improving. What is causing the burnt edges? Also, this plant has several side branches struggling to support the weight of the buds. I have tied a lot of them up to help support the weight but I was wondering if there is anything organic I can add to strengthen the side branches to help support the weight of the buds? This plant has a lot of super skinny but long side branches (I measured a few of them. They are anywhere from 2.5 to 3.5 feet long depending on where they start from) and the top 10 to 15 inches of them are covered in buds. I don't know if there is an organic way to strengthen the branches but if there is I want to do it because I am still 4 to 6 weeks away from harvest so I assume the problem will only get worse. Also, I have the septoria under control.....I don't want the branches laying on each other to cause it to get bad again.

I wouldn't think to rush with any concern this close to harvest. Could be a number of things. Giving it nutes definitely could be a reason. I'm finding using a portion of what you would for most plants is sufficient. I use a third of what is suggested. I want to know how much you get from that? I'm varying quite a bit between plants .

 

[InTheShed]

I have an Android phone. Every phone I ever had has been an Android. My life is backed up to Google and the thought of trying to switch it all seems like an unnecessary pain. That being said, every phone I have ever had had the Weather Channel App pre-installed on the main screen. When you open the app it displays the UV index on the first page. I am on the east coast. The weather this year has been very abnormal. It seemed like the hot humid weather we get starting at the end of April normally didn't start until June. Normally by now we have mild weather in the 70s. Currently, the days it is not raining the weather has been in the mid-80s. it normally never rains this much this time of year. It is like we are having spring in the fall time.

Thanks for the Mulder Chart. I didn't scratch the potash or phosphorus down very deep into the soil. Maybe I should scrap the top couple of inches off and top dress?

I use a weather app for the temps, but it doesn't have UV index listed. Apparently it gets close to 12 in the summer here depending on where you are. It's a big county!

Historical UV Index Data for Los Angeles, CA

Historical UV Index data for Los Angeles, CA from 1994 to 2022

www.uvindextoday.com

In terms of scraping things off the top, I have no idea since I'm not an LOS grower.

 

[Lovie]

I use a weather app for the temps, but it doesn't have UV index listed. Apparently it gets close to 12 in the summer here depending on where you are. It's a big county!

Historical UV Index Data for Los Angeles, CA

Historical UV Index data for Los Angeles, CA from 1994 to 2022

www.uvindextoday.com

In terms of scraping things off the top, I have no idea since I'm not an LOS grower.

I have never heard of anyone doing this......I figured since I didn't scratch it down deep and it is supposed to take time to dissolve maybe I could remove a good bit of it. IDK......can't hurt to try, right?

I used Coast of Maine's Stonington Blend. I had planned on using their products and feeding schedule since it is designed for cannabis. My indoor plants did okay with it but my outdoor got too big and it wasn't keeping up with their needs. One thing that sucks with organic is everything takes time to break down, so deficiencies are hard to address. I didn't know until recently that there was liquid organic fertilizer which I plan on keeping on hand from now on so if I do have deficiencies I have a backup.

 

[Dustin84]

Only problem is all seems well until it's not. I have broken enough branches now that I try to be careful even though they seem strong.

That's very true. I'm personally one to shake a few times daily until they start to flower and then not as much. Cause more issues trying to be gentle with them. Breaking can turn out to be a bonus depending on how it reacts. I'm quite rough when I examine them.

 

[Lovie]

When I looked out my upstairs window this morning I noticed the top of my plant was a very different shade of green than the bottom. I took pics but my phone doesn't take the best quality pics. It is a very deep almost emerald shade of green. I also noticed the leaves on the top are sticking straight out where the bottom ones are curled down (they have been curled down for a little bit now). I am not sure if it is a healthy shade of green or not. I think the best thing for me to do is sit back and wait a few days to see what happens.

 

[bluter]

What are you adding to increase the potassium in the soil? Those leaves could be a phosphorus toxicity as well. Actually, what's your feeding regimen generally?

sort of wondered the same about the phos.

I have never heard of anyone doing this......I figured since I didn't scratch it down deep and it is supposed to take time to dissolve maybe I could remove a good bit of it. IDK......can't hurt to try, right?

it will probably take too much time for any amendments to break down enough to be available for the plant now.

I used Coast of Maine's Stonington Blend. I had planned on using their products and feeding schedule since it is designed for cannabis. My indoor plants did okay with it but my outdoor got too big and it wasn't keeping up with their needs. One thing that sucks with organic is everything takes time to break down, so deficiencies are hard to address. I didn't know until recently that there was liquid organic fertilizer which I plan on keeping on hand from now on so if I do have deficiencies I have a backup.

plant looks good for outdoor. you wind up having to feed more often outdoor simply due to the size they can attain. at this point you could feed every day, even multiple times per day if the climate warrants.

it's not a bad idea to run organic sourced bottle nutes. would definitely recommend them if you have personal preferences or find them effective.

organic is a bit of a loose term when it comes to bottle nutes. it's not exactly organic in the frame of reference most folk have. if it was it would go rotten quite fast in the bottles. if it's in a bottle, it has to have a reasonable shelf life. that banana on the counter won't look the same if left alone there for 6 months.

it's better to understand it is - mostly* - organic sourced raw materials used in the process to build the nute. to the plant itself there is very little difference as to how it was sourced.

*a few mfgrs occasionally get called out on the mostly bit ....

 

[Lovie]

sort of wondered the same about the phos

Fish Bone Meal. My plan of just following the instructions for the Coast of Maine's Stonington Blend wasn't working. This is my first grow and I have just been figuring it out as I go so there hasn't been a regimen....just dealing with the issues as they come.

it will probably take too much time for any amendments to break down enough to be available for the plant now.

It may take a long time for it to break down completely and probably depends on the amendment too, but I have used blood meal a few times to combat nitrogen deficiencies and langbeinite for potassium deficiencies and within a week seen an improvement. I haven't had any phosphorus deficiencies so I cannot say how quickly the bone meal takes to break down enough to start becoming available.

organic is a bit of a loose term when it comes to bottle nutes. it's not exactly organic in the frame of reference most folk have. if it was it would go rotten quite fast in the bottles. if it's in a bottle, it has to have a reasonable shelf life. that banana on the counter won't look the same if left alone there for 6 months.

I look for ones that are OMRI listed. But you're right, they have to have some kind of preservative in them at the very least. I don't want to start using them all the time. Just for deficiencies.

After I get through harvest I am going to attempt to make my own soil. I want to try to find a recipe that has been used for long period, successful outdoor grows so if you know of one hook me up! I think not only the plant size but the long period of an outdoor grow has an impact on the nutes available in the soil.

 

[Lovie]

One thing I can say about this plant.....it is a survivor. Not only is this my first grow, but before now the only plants I have ever had were spider plants and all I ever did for them was water them and occasionally trim off any dead foliage if they went through a period of neglect. My husband brought this plant home in a solo cup, sat it on the counter in front of a small window, and just gave it water now and again. When I saw the plant was leaning towards the window for light and only growing branches on one side I decided to take over. I took the plant, planted it in Miracle Grow (not knowing better or having taken the time to do any research at this point) and ordered some nutes. This plant survived me figuring out how much and how often to water. Nute toxicities and deficiencies. A bad spider mite infestation (it took me a while to figure out what the white dots on the leaves were from) and septoria. I have had this plant looking pitiful several times and it always bounces back. It already has some nice buds and we are weeks away from harvest. I have talked to a few people who grow in VA and they have told me harvest time here is between mid to late October so I can only imagine what it will look like by then.

 

[bluter]

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[Sativa1970]

Normally with just a bit of luck and little effort you can get to harvest. You have added enough effort to offset the bad luck.

 

[Lovie]

The green is balancing out. The top isn't such a weird shade of green like it was yesterday and the bottom and top leaves are looking closer to the same shade of green. I would take a pic but it's raining and I don't feel like getting wet. Once the rain stops I will post a pic.