Humid Temperate Colombian Andes Greenhouse Organic Grow

[budnoob3]

Yes, I am a cloning fanatic- I don’t have the patience for long term mother so I’m at an ungodly level of generations based on original first grow. Not to mention the number of runs based off the ones produced during herm run. Not ashamed to admit I kept and appreciated those seeds even though genetically inclined to produce more herms. I know that’s sacrilegious to most. But they haven’t tasted it yet for themselves

 

[cbdhemp808]

ungodly level of generations based on original first grow

I'm not to the ungodly level yet, but well on my way. clones of clones.

 

[budnoob3]

Clone away, I do it so much I have to give away and randomly distribute along paths and ironic locations for giggles. While everyone wants to defoliate to the extreme, I want to clone to the extreme. For me pruning/cloning = great, defoliation of fans = great when necessary for airflow but addlebrained for health. I never top main stem anymore, but freely on offshoots believing nothing rivals main cola quality when trained properly yet increasing number of colas is great especially when not compromising main…

 

[CBDMed]

"Kush" literally means from the Hindu Kush region, and these are original indica landraces. So you've got Hindu Kush strain, Afghan Kush strain, and they are from Central Asia. So what I'm saying is, a true indica is actually a Kush. I mean, more or less I think we can say that.

Ahhh!! Light bulb coming on!
Well, in that case, I had the wrong idea.
In that case I do want to chase the landrace. Afghan or Hindu Kush.

Then you've got modern hybrids that contain kush (indica) genetics, for example Banana Kush, which has lots of Hindu Kush in its lineage (see Seedfinder.eu).

I will have to hit it later. I have appointments all day and I am about out of time now, but thank you for the good explanations. I think I am finally realizing what you are saying. I want Afghan or Hindu Kush. Maybe Kosher Kush is a mold-resistant pheno or something? I will have to look it up.

I did a super-quick internet search for "Mold resistant kush". Grove bags said:

"If mold is making it difficult to grow cannabis in your environment, try a cultivar developed to thrive in difficult and wet environments like Hawaiian Duckfoot or duck foot strain, Thai Sativa, Afghan Kush, Durban Poison, or Columbia Gold."

Colombia (with two "o's", but yeah).
There is that one company here that claims Colombia Gold with 1:3 CBD:THC, and that might work already.
I think I need to start with the landraces here, also!
They take landraces from lower elevations and put them up here in greenhouses all the time. You might have an issue the first season, but then you just take seed from the ones that do not get hit.

You hit all my questions. I have to run for now. I hope to be back in a day or two. But if not then, by the end of the week.
I will try to grow out what I have for now, just to get a starting datapoint, and see what happens if you grow off-season. But I want to plant new seeds probably in March here in my seedling room, and I will look for some Afghan Kush (or maybe Hindu Kush).
And / or probably the Colombia Gold with 1:3. I just have to call the seed company (because they do not answer email).
I really need to check out the existing landraces.
If I can keep the pollen males separate I might try that Red Point also. It is only 3.5% THC and 3.5% CBD or whatever, but two complete-stoner locals thought that was the bomb.

Muchísimas gracias, amigo. Got to run.
I got to come back and finish later but that clarifies it completely.
Colombia Gold 1:3 and Afghan Kush, look also at Kosher Kush and other mold resistant Kushes.
But start with the existing landraces, because we already know they grow here.

So my point is, lots of indica-dominant hybrids contain kush genetics, and lots will give you that amazing pain-numbing body high that facilitates stretching, yoga, and massage. I use Blueberry and Humboldt Dream, and both have this effect.


I think we can safely say that Northern Lights is a direct descendant of Afghan Kush. Different phenos will have some variation with effects.


Any modern hybrid named So-And-So Kush likely has Hindu Kush or Afghan Kush in its lineage. What matters is the strain and the phenotype of the strain, to find one with high levels of terpinolene and/or ocimene, and other pine terpenes. I would say there are plenty of kush hybrids that are likely not bud rot resistant. Afghan Kush likely is, as well as Northern Lights #5 (descendant of Afghan Kush).

Another kush that looks promising for bud rot resistance is Banana Kush. Another one is Critical Kush, w/ pheno(s) high in ocimene and pinene.

We just can't generalize and say kushes are fungus/mold resistant. We can say that some phenos of modern kush hybrids, and some phenos of landrace kushes, are fungus/mold resistant. I happen to think the Central Asian landraces (kush/indica) got their fungus/mold resistance by cross-breeding with Indian sativas.


I'll repeat what I've always been saying, and that's to not stack all the requirements into one plant. Find your bud rot resistant THC indica plant, and find your bud rot resistant 50/50 or indica-leaning CBD plant. Then mix the flower using the grinder.

Keep in mind that CBD tends to moderate the psychoactive effects of THC, so you can mix CBD with your high-THC indica buds, in the right amount, to get an even deeper body high.

RE: Afghan Kush from Blimburn



Trust me, there are Afghan Kush phenos that are high in terpinolene and pine terpenes. It's a matter of finding a good seed line, then you grow them out and look for the phenos. Ditto for Northern Lights #5.

Blimburn isn't providing terpene profiles (with percent of each terpene), and they probably don't provide any information on the phenotypes either.

 

[cbdhemp808]

Banana Kush and Critical Kush were two that I found that have promising terpene profiles for bud rot resistance. I looked at a bunch of other kushes and didn't see anything. It's a tough call though, because these seed lines will throw different phenos. What I look for are the promising phenos.

 

[InTheShed]

So far, the following strains have come up:
3 Candida fems

How are the Candidas coming along?

 

[CBDMed]

Trust me, there are Afghan Kush phenos that are high in terpinolene and pine terpenes. It's a matter of finding a good seed line, then you grow them out and look for the phenos. Ditto for Northern Lights #5.

Ok, thank you!

And just to verify, how I can tell is that the best breeders will typically list the terpene profiles, and mention any phenotypes?

Blimburn isn't providing terpene profiles (with percent of each terpene), and they probably don't provide any information on the phenotypes either.

 

[CBDMed]

Personally I’d never go by what the various sources say about a strains mold resistance. I mentioned KK from personal experience. I agree it’s correct to seek pine terpenes as those have a tendency to be more resistant but also happen to believe it’s more about managing the environment and monitoring closely in flower. I’m organic grower and used citric acid based spray remedies successfully for all but 3 runs in 16 years. I also used proper air flow and ventilation solutions. Even outdoors I’d use large fans and appropriate levels of defoliation to avoid problems. Bringing things into garage or shed at night, or a green house to help avoid problems. The key is that the healthier the plants are and the better the environment is managed the lesser the chance is of having problems. I failed at that for 6 of my girls but at least caught early enough and far along enough to salvage most at a decent maturity level albeit not ideal.

Well, we will see how we do. We are starting here at the worst time of year, haha! So we will add artificial lights to VEG during the flowering-time of year, and then we will take the artificial lights away to shock the girls into flowering... and then we will try to flower with plastic sidewalls on in winter, to keep things warm????
To me that sounds like BEGGING for mold issues! So I have to force myself really to think about it like a torture test.
When I look for mold-resistant kush I will check for kosher kush. I am leaning hard toward Afghan, since everyone seems to mention that one as being resistant, but the reality is I can buy a few kinds, and see what lives.

I am still growing out this Pineapple Kush. Two look good and strong. If I recall the third one had helmet head surgery and got pulled out of the starter cube, so I had to do surgery to get her back in. She seems a little shorter than the other two, I wonder if she is perhaps "more indica", or maybe more set back (or perhaps even stunted? I hope not).

I will probably try to grow out the two tall ones at least, and we will see if they are mold resistant or not. If they survive and they help me do the deep medical stretch, then my problem is solved. And if not, now that I THINK ABOUT IT, I think I might even have a Northern Light seed around here somewhere. Since we have zero cash I should probably look for it next grow, because right now I just need to grow out what seeds I already have (to save cash).
But if I buy seeds I will look at Kosher Kush for sure.

I know what you mean about getting hit. It is tragic, but you can still usually save enough to get some kind of medicine.
I was able to save a good fraction of most grows that get hit.

 

[CBDMed]

How are the Candidas coming along?

I am very sorry to report that when we realized we were growing opposite the normal season, I had to make a hard decision to go sativa only. It was kind of traumatic. It was a bloodbath around here. I had lots of beautiful hybrids and Indica that just had to go.

Even with sativa, it's still a question of finding the most resistant ones. It is just crazy humid here, and I only get 20 slots, so I had to make a hard decision to go all sativa.
I'm sorry, I thought about telling you, but that time I wasn't sure you were out in the open about sending seeds and I didn't want to take a chance in case you were not out in the open about it.
I am not sure Kush is sativa but I need some thing to help me do deep medical stretch and breathing exercises of the "deep yoga" level. It sounds like my pineapple Kush is also sketchy, but it's too late to start a different strain right now. Right now I just have to see if any of them make it.
Everything else is sativa.
EDIT: The humidity here is super high, so I am going to need all of the help I can get!
Sorry if I should have notified you.

 

[CBDMed]

The two clones on the back and mid-back left are Northern Light CBD photo female clones.
Then the two on the right are Doctor Seedsman 30:1.

Then on the front left is the Cookies and Cream 1:1 sativa clone looking a little funky.
I took her out of early flower. Now she has one-serration fans?
(She does not have fans, she has swords??)
(Will she grow out of this? Or probably that's what she's doing after the reveg now?)

Then we had to go sativa, so there are severn good Dr. Seedsman 30:1 fems from seed. So that os a total of nine potential seed mamas.

And here are the potential Mango Biche seeds coming up.

The big one in back was a surprise, so I THINK that is Mango Biche! We will check leaf structures once the other MB grow up some more. They are still pretty small.
Haha I hope this is not a phenotype

20 slots:
9 Dr. Seedsman, 2 clones plus 7 from seed.
Probably 2 Pineapple Kush, or 3 if #3 reinvigorates.
2 NL CBD
That is 13 plants.
So that would leave 7 Mango Biche slots.
We can move the best male to a males tent, and destroy the rest.
It will really be an off kilter grow for here, forcing veg in summer and then shocking into flowering, but we should get some good Dr. Biche CBD seeds we can plant with the next crop, and then grow WITH the seasons from now on.

 

[cbdhemp808]

Trust me, there are Afghan Kush phenos that are high in terpinolene and pine terpenes. It's a matter of finding a good seed line, then you grow them out and look for the phenos. Ditto for Northern Lights #5.

And just to verify, how I can tell is that the best breeders will typically list the terpene profiles, and mention any phenotypes?

I have found it very rare that a breeder will describe phenotypes and also show terpene lab test results. I recall that Atomic Seeds actually does provide this for some of their strains. The way I do a search is this... I find from various sources strains that are known to be high in terpinolene or ocimene. This info sometimes comes from terpene profiles, while other times it comes from websites that have general information about a strain and also list the main terpenes, or will show some percentages of terpenes (but not a full lab test profile). Some websites that sell flower will show terpene lab test results. Likewise, I also find from various sources info on the known phenotypes of a particular strain. As I drill down this path, I begin looking at any lab test terpene profiles I can find (from various source) for the strain, and then look for distinct profiles, which is a way to reveal the different phenotypes—because terpenes are like the fingerprints of phenotypes.

Once I've zeroed in on a prospective strain, I then try to determine the best source for buying the seed. Sometimes this would be directly from the breeder. Sometimes it's from a boutique seller who is selling the breeder's seed. Sometimes it could be from one of the larger seed sellers.

 

[cbdhemp808]

The two clones on the back and mid-back left are Northern Light CBD photo female clones.
Then the two on the right are Doctor Seedsman 30:1.

These are looking great! Looks like they need to be up-potted very soon. Directly to SIP?

Then on the front left is the Cookies and Cream 1:1 sativa clone looking a little funky.
I took her out of early flower. Now she has one-serration fans?
(She does not have fans, she has swords??)
(Will she grow out of this? Or probably that's what she's doing after the reveg now?)

Single leaflet is a sign that she needs more light. I have a White Widow clone right now that's doing a similar thing, but all the other clones are normal.

 

[CBDMed]

These are looking great! Looks like they need to be up-potted very soon. Directly to SIP?

Not sure, really. Thanks for asking.
I do not see any roots coming out of the cup drain holes yet, but yes, probably soon.
The veg lights arrived.
I only have 5G SIPs, and none that will withstand UV.
I was thinking direct to SWICK.
I have some 10G fabric bags for the Dr. Seedsman.
I have some 15G fabric bags for NL CBD 1:1 sativa, although now I think maybe 20G.
(I'm thinking to wash the fabric pots in a tub so I don't ruin my wash machine, and also stab holes in the fabric with an ice pic.)

Single leaflet is a sign that she needs more light. I have a White Widow clone right now that's doing a similar thing, but all the other clones are normal.

Ok, good to know, thank you!
I thought only one row of lights would be enough, but if that is not enough then I will have to build a new light rack tomorrow.
Just to ask, might more light also help the Mango Biche? Or why are they looking so wigged out??

At first I thought maybe I overwatered them, but now I am not sure that is overwatered.
The only "normal" looking Mango Biche is that first bean--and I am not 100% sure she is a Mango Biche!
If that first bean is NOT a Mango Biche, then I do not see ANY normal sets of Mango Biche leaves!
Maybe this one. (Time will tell.)

Is the seed perhaps too old?? It sat in my fridge in mylar for 3 years. (Of course I have no idea how long the seed sat out before they sold it to me.)
Or why are my MB wigging? (EDIT: or is it even possible to know?)

 

[cbdhemp808]

These are looking great! Looks like they need to be up-potted very soon. Directly to SIP?

Not sure, really. Thanks for asking.
I do not see any roots coming out of the cup drain holes yet, but yes, probably soon.

Sorry, those cuttings looked to me like well-established clones (w/ lots of roots) because they have so many intact fan leaves.

Here's what my clones look like after 2 weeks... ready to up-pot to 1 gal

The veg lights arrived.
I only have 5G SIPs, and none that will withstand UV.

Why won't the SIP buckets withstand UV?

Single leaflet is a sign that she needs more light. I have a White Widow clone right now that's doing a similar thing, but all the other clones are normal.

Ok, good to know, thank you!

Sorry, looking again I see that the leaves are probably not new growth on the cutting.

I thought only one row of lights would be enough, but if that is not enough then I will have to build a new light rack tomorrow.

Yeah, sorry... I was just confused because you've got so many intact fan leaves. In other words, they are large cuttings with lots of existing leaves. The cuttings look very healthy. How long have they been in the cups?

Just to ask, might more light also help the Mango Biche? Or why are they looking so wigged out??

I don't know, but I'm guessing it has something to do with water or humidity. They look stressed out. Possibly try misting them.

Is the seed perhaps too old?? It sat in my fridge in mylar for 3 years. (Of course I have no idea how long the seed sat out before they sold it to me.) Or why are my MB wigging? (EDIT: or is it even possible to know?)

That is old and perhaps the DNA is damaged for some of them.

 

[CBDMed]

Sorry, those cuttings looked to me like well-established clones (w/ lots of roots) because they have so many intact fan leaves.

Yes, they are the clones I was struggling with a few weeks ago. They are finally starting to take off. They are growing much faster than I thought!
Your clones look great.


EDIT: When you said C&C did not have enough light, last night I quick-added a mylar on the back wall, and almost doubled the overhead LED light. (The backing is kinda caddywumpus because it was late and I was tired and this half-wall is only a temporary. But it should be at least twice as bright in there now, so I will also have to water more often).

Last night the girls were almost dry, so I thought to water and check roots this morning.
This morning the tall girls were a little wilty. Since the soil was dry I thought I would sneak a peek at the roots.
Yes, it looks perfect for up-potting!

I wrote my assistant yesterday about when he wants to take the plants.
I can give him the five clones now, and maybe eleven more seedlings in a week or two. (I just want them to get big enough to survive the transition to drip irrigation.)
Your clones look good.
When the young seedlings are that big (maybe another week or two) I can send them also.

Here's what my clones look like after 2 weeks... ready to up-pot to 1 gal

Not sure why my photos inserted above this photo. I was going to insert them below your photo but it did not happen, and it gets funky when I try to move photos, haha

Why won't the SIP buckets withstand UV?

Well, because it is Colombia.
I wanted to get a factory SIP build, just because I have no time.
We ordered the inserts online, and 5G works great for indoors under LED (good size).
Only, the only 5G (20L) plastic buckets we could find at the time were cheap clear plastic.
I went with it because that way you can see the SIP root development, and also see the water level real easy. It has worked out for my edification, but if you try to take them out in the sun with no UV protection in the plastic they get super brittle (like, you cannot even lift it by the rim, or it will shatter).

We might could find 5G in colored UV protected now, but you and Shed and everyone are recommending 10G for small plants (3ft Dr. Seedsman sativa) and maybe 15 or 20G for everything else, and I do not have time to make custom SIPs right now (or probably ever).
So, SWICK seems to do well also, and there are far less moving parts for the workers to break or lose (haha). And we can have the workers wash the pots by hand with a brush in a bucket.
And my farm manager wants to feed with drip irrigation, and I think if the seedlings are big enough, we can adapt the SIP buckets to that. I just have to let the seedlings get big enough to handle the drip irrigation, and then they have to adjust the dripper so that the plants do not get too wet before they have time to develop water roots.
I will have to train them as to what "too wet" looks like, but I think they probably know. They know plants and clones and cuttings, and they know commercial in-ground cannabis, they just do not know organic-in-bucket cannabis.

Sorry, looking again I see that the leaves are probably not new growth on the cutting.

Umm, sorry, I am not tracking.
The C&C has some new growth, it is just one-leaf.
If it does not make it, no big deal. We will plant again in March/April and let the seedlings adapt to the valley climate, so that they learn to flower in the native climate.

Yeah, sorry... I was just confused because you've got so many intact fan leaves. In other words, they are large cuttings with lots of existing leaves. The cuttings look very healthy. How long have they been in the cups?

Not sure but a long time.
These are clones that were not doing well.
This last time a few weeks ago I smeared aloe vera on the roots and stems and stuck them in soil.
About two weeks ago they started to take off.
If my guy wants to take them this week we can go straight into SWICK.
If he wants to take them next week I might need to up-pot (which could be a mess if it is only one week).
We will have to see what he wants to do.

I don't know, but I'm guessing it has something to do with water or humidity. They look stressed out. Possibly try misting them.

Yeah, maybe. I was using the mister at first, but then I decided to try the turkey baster to wet the soil, and maybe it got too wet too soon??
Probably that kind of thing happens if you put drippers on seedlings also, before they are big enough to be able to develop water roots?? Not sure.
I sprayed them today and will watch them for a week.

That is old and perhaps the DNA is damaged for some of them.

Yeah, ok.
If they straighten out, great.
If they do not correct, no biggie. We can get fresh seed for tropical sativas in March or April and try again.
March or April is not that far away, and given the fact that it is a tropical sativa that is keyed to the spring and fall equinoxes, it is probably MUCH better to plant in March/April and let them grow up with the valley climate, so that they flower on their own after the fall equinox.
In the meantime, the Dr. Seedsman will probably give a nice crop of medical CBD.
We will see if C&C or NL CBD make it.
I halfway expect this Pineapple Kush NOT to make it, but we will see. I could be surprised.

And then in four or five months we can start fresh, with the seasons.

 

[cbdhemp808]

The two clones on the back and mid-back left are Northern Light CBD photo female clones.
Then the two on the right are Doctor Seedsman 30:1.

Those NL CBD clones look like mine after they've been in 1 gal pots for a while!

When I first transfer them to 1 gal, they are small like this...

 

[CBDMed]

Thanks.
I just spoke with my farm manager. The greenhouse still has a few things to do, and we need to get the night-shortening-lights up first, so that the plants do not flip into flower.
He is looking at a place to put a males tent.
I will try to up-pot tomorrow, so the girls can wait comfortably.

 

[CBDMed]

Hey @budnoob3 ,
Thanks for your tip about Kosher Kush. I appreciate the tip in case my Pineapple Kush is not resistant.
I am glad that your strain is working for you. But most of the grow journals I am reading say about 50-60% humidity in veg, and less in flower. This is Kosher Kush Strain: Its Origins, Effects, and Cultivation

1. Humidity: Kosher Kush prefers a moderate humidity level during the vegetative stage, around 50-60%. However, as the plant enters the flowering stage, it is advisable to reduce humidity levels to prevent issues such as mold or mildew. Lowering the humidity to around 40-50% during flowering is recommended.

We are between 70-85% humidity here in "summer" (but I have seen 90%), so I do not know that that is going to work for me.
Me wonders if'n you might have a particularly resistant pheno, mon...

 

[CBDMed]

OK I took the four biggest girls and put them in 1 gallons.
My assistant came today and they took all of the super soil and all of the amendments.
They will put the night shortening lights on the greenhouse, and finish putting the bug mesh and the electricity for the fans.
Sometime next week I'm supposed to come out and show them how I want everything mixed, and put in the fabric buckets.
I think I will try to keep the seedlings in the small cups for now, but you were right, if it is going to be a week (or sometimes longer), the biggest girls had to get up potted.

Everyone looks good except for the Mango Biche, but I might have four of them straightening out.
If we can run Mango Biche then, and if not, we can wait for the correct season. Seeds or clones are cheap here. Nothing is really adapted to this elevation because they do not grow at this elevation commercially, but with a greenhouse, and starting at the correct time of year, you can make it.

I found out today that Moños is slang for "Buds".

 

[CBDMed]

If you want a mold resistant kush check out kosher kush, never ever had a problem with it in 16 years including this year when all my other crops got hit.

Hey @budnoob3 ,
I appreciated the tip on Kosher Kush.
I did some reading up on Kosher Kush. It says that it does have some mold resistance. Only, it also says Kosher Kush handles 50-60% humidity in veg but they want to see 40-50% in flower.

1. Humidity: Kosher Kush prefers a moderate humidity level during the vegetative stage, around 50-60%. However, as the plant enters the flowering stage, it is advisable to reduce humidity levels to prevent issues such as mold or mildew. Lowering the humidity to around 40-50% during flowering is recommended.

So, if your season was bad, I am wondering if you might have a particularly mold-resistant pheno.
Some websites recommend it only for arid places like California.
They have plants that grow in the trees here without roots contacting the ground, so I am being super-extra careful with this one.
(I hope I am saying this all ok. Autistic people have a real hard time with social interactions.)