Humid Temperate Colombian Andes Greenhouse Organic Grow

[cbdhemp808]

Hi Med, here's my general response to your last post...

Temperature: Cannabis plants like the 70-85 °F range. I think we can generally say that landrace tropical sativas like warm and wet. Landrace Central Asian indicas can handle colder, dryer climate. The low temps at your high-elevation equatorial location are problematic, so the best plants to grow outdoors there are locally adapted ones. Attempting to create new, locally-adapted genetics is a lot of work with no guaranteed outcome.

Photoperiod Cycle: A photoperiod cannabis plant is like a machine with respect to how it reacts to light. For a given phenotype, that machine-like response isn't going to change over time, either in one lifecycle, or in the lifecycles of individual plants produced by cloning that pheno. To understand the photoperiod cycle, the only thing you need to know is the night length for your location, at different times of the year. (Of course, the dark period is just 24 minus the daylight period.) This website will tell you that information: SunCalc . Presently at your location in southern Colombia, night length is 11 hrs 56 min. Two months ago it was 11 hrs 52 min. Six months ago it was 11 hrs 51 min. In June you get the shortest night length of 11 hrs 48 min. In December you get the longest night length of 11 hrs 57 min. So, your night length is basically hovering right around 12 hours all year round.

Flowering: Natural flowering of outdoor sativa plants at your location, for example the Mango Biche, is a function of the maturity of the plant, the amount of exposure to sun (for photosynthesis), the temperature, and I think to a lesser degree the night length. In other words, you plant to take advantage of the warmest, most sunny time of the year for the growth of the plant. And then, you are harvesting when it gets cooler. That matches what you said, "summer flowering here is September-October-November-December-January-February." This is typical for cannabis everywhere... harvest in autumn, and for long-flowering sativas, that can run into winter.

General conclusions... It seems it would be very difficult to grow anything other than the locally-adapted strains, unless you had a semi-high-tech greenhouse environment, with plenty of electric power, and temperature control. Otherwise, you could try landrace genetics from other geographic locations with similar altitude and climate—i.e. equatorial mountain regions. If you want to plant something beyond what's available locally, I think your best bet would be to contact The Real Seed Company and ask them for their recommendations. They specialize in landraces and have sativa, indica, and CBD selections.

 

[elcoloan]

Hey ! A bit late to the journal, but so cool tonfind someone growing in Colombia and active in the forums.

Im Colombian and live in Bogota. Got farming family all around the country and know plenty people in the cannabis growing scene here.

Please believe me, dont completely trust local outdoor growers. They use very traditional methods (synthetic pesticides and nutes, horrendous crop managment, very lowquality and badly planned greenhouses, etc) normally used in ilicit grows or taken from other crop growing, and several people will try to appear as experts just because they know how to grow potatoes or have been in ilicit (black market) grow... Yeah, they will grow stuff, but not the stuff you want for medicine.

So Id first make sure to get a proper person to guide you. I dont have the info at hand right now, but ill get you the contact info for a few local companies and people who can guide you in proper outdoor growing in Colombia. It's not easy to do though if you are searching for international medicinal standards. But for self-procurement, it can be done. In my opinion, green house growing (or outdoor growing) of cannabis in Colombia is too complicated if not done in regions such as El Valle (warm weather), and even in those better climates it can be a huge task to take on if you are aiming for high standards. Your pics and info you share seem to show you are in a colder and more humid region, so you are definitely undertaking a dificult task and should get a good guide so you dont waste time and resources. Ill get you the contacts as soon as i can.

A very good CBD strain found in Colombia ( with national cultivar registry and all) is Stellita CBD, but maybe not enoguh CBD content for you (CBD (%): 14,34; THC 0,22). You can buy clones of it from these people ESQUEJE CANNABIS STELLITA CBD 0,6 LT - PLANTAE but they are outofstock right know (id contact the guys and ask when they think theyll have it again). Ive grown this strain in Bogota's outdoor climate (no green house or anything of the sorts) and have had no issues with mold. I know people who ahve grown it in green house and it's a very good performer.

Hope anyof this helps you. Will hit back with the contact info.

 

[CBDMed]

Hi @cbdhemp808
Thanks for the great info.
I need to be brief right now but I am thinking about what you said.

Hi Med, here's my general response to your last post...

Temperature: Cannabis plants like the 70-85 °F range. I think we can generally say that landrace tropical sativas like warm and wet. Landrace Central Asian indicas can handle colder, dryer climate. The low temps at your high-elevation equatorial location are problematic, so the best plants to grow outdoors there are locally adapted ones. Attempting to create new, locally-adapted genetics is a lot of work with no guaranteed outcome.

Photoperiod Cycle: A photoperiod cannabis plant is like a machine with respect to how it reacts to light. For a given phenotype, that machine-like response isn't going to change over time, either in one lifecycle, or in the lifecycles of individual plants produced by cloning that pheno. To understand the photoperiod cycle, the only thing you need to know is the night length for your location, at different times of the year. (Of course, the dark period is just 24 minus the daylight period.) This website will tell you that information: SunCalc . Presently at your location in southern Colombia, night length is 11 hrs 56 min. Two months ago it was 11 hrs 52 min. Six months ago it was 11 hrs 51 min. In June you get the shortest night length of 11 hrs 48 min. In December you get the longest night length of 11 hrs 57 min. So, your night length is basically hovering right around 12 hours all year round.

Right.
But so you are saying that a dramatic drop from 18 to +/- 12 might impress a European indoor plant, it isn't going to impress a tropical sativa? And that even if the dark drops from 18 hours to 12 hours and (say) 9 minutes, that dramatic drop isn't going to impress the plant, even though some growers play with the upper end of their 12/12???

'Cuz I thought for sure I saw Emilya or someone pushing her lights to 12.5 / 11.5 or maybe even 13 / 11...
If that really does not work then I would need autos...
Only, it works INSIDE under LEDs?? (So why would it not work outside??)

Flowering: Natural flowering of outdoor sativa plants at your location, for example the Mango Biche, is a function of the maturity of the plant, the amount of exposure to sun (for photosynthesis), the temperature, and I think to a lesser degree the night length.

Right. The plant decides, "summer is over, and it is starting to get colder, so it is time to have kids!"

In other words, you plant to take advantage of the warmest, most sunny time of the year for the growth of the plant. And then, you are harvesting when it gets cooler. That matches what you said, "summer flowering here is September-October-November-December-January-February." This is typical for cannabis everywhere... harvest in autumn, and for long-flowering sativas, that can run into winter.

General conclusions... It seems it would be very difficult to grow anything other than the locally-adapted strains, unless you had a semi-high-tech greenhouse environment, with plenty of electric power, and temperature control.

Sorry, I know you know wayyyy more about this than I do, but I still do not get why I can hypothetically drop the lights from 18/6 indoors under LED to maybe 12:15 light and 11:45 dark, and the plants will flower reliably--but I cannot do that outside.
Do you mean I cannot do that outside with Colombian tropical sativas, because they are fine tuned to the number of minutes?
Or what do you mean?

I mean, even if MB or other tropical sativas balk and it does not work with MB or Moños, probably still I can get flowers from Dr.S., C&C, NL CBD, and Pineapple Kush (because they would flip in a grow room environment because of lights).
Then we can start the tropical sativas at the right time (in March).
That won't work??

Otherwise, you could try landrace genetics from other geographic locations with similar altitude and climate—i.e. equatorial mountain regions. If you want to plant something beyond what's available locally, I think your best bet would be to contact The Real Seed Company and ask them for their recommendations. They specialize in landraces and have sativa, indica, and CBD selections.

Thanks!
I wrote them, and we will see what they say.

 

[CBDMed]

Hey ! A bit late to the journal, but so cool tonfind someone growing in Colombia and active in the forums.

Welcome, elcoloan!

Im Colombian and live in Bogota. Got farming family all around the country and know plenty people in the cannabis growing scene here.

Glad you are here! It is great to be able to talk with someone who knows both farming and cannabis in Colombia!
I am trying to adapt my genetics to the local environment, hahaha

Please believe me, dont completely trust local outdoor growers.

No, I hear that for sure!
Lots of people here will tell you they know, when they do not even know how to look it up!

They use very traditional methods (synthetic pesticides and nutes, horrendous crop managment, very lowquality and badly planned greenhouses, etc) normally used in ilicit grows or taken from other crop growing, and several people will try to appear as experts just because they know how to grow potatoes or have been in ilicit (black market) grow... Yeah, they will grow stuff, but not the stuff you want for medicine.

I totally hear that. Thanks!
The contractor said he grew for some dealer in the Cauca. As you say, he said it was strictly the-cheapest-possible-way, regular chemicals, regular pesticides, etc. (Probably glyphosate also.)
Only, now he is in a different department. He said he has a friend here in the valley who says he grows all-organic, with garlic and pepper sprays for insects, etc.
I will only supply them with organic sprays and such, and will insist on separate spray gear.

So Id first make sure to get a proper person to guide you.

I dont have the info at hand right now, but ill get you the contact info for a few local companies and people who can guide you in proper outdoor growing in Colombia. It's not easy to do though if you are searching for international medicinal standards.

Thank you!
And if anyone knows CBD strains which resist mold and pests, that would be what I need.
The contractor said he can learn from his friend, which he probably can--but you are right, I have no idea the quality.
I thought I would doctor the soil for them, and then the contractor can grow and tend it.
But if there is someone local to this area he can learn from, that would be fabulous.

But for self-procurement, it can be done. In my opinion, green house growing (or outdoor growing) of cannabis in Colombia is too complicated if not done in regions such as El Valle (warm weather), and even in those better climates it can be a huge task to take on if you are aiming for high standards.

Hmmm...
I understand. We wanted to grow on the Pacific side, but long story, we ended up here.
If I do not grow in a greenhouse, then how do I keep the plants warm?

Your pics and info you share seem to show you are in a colder and more humid region, so you are definitely undertaking a dificult task and should get a good guide so you dont waste time and resources. Ill get you the contacts as soon as i can.

A very good CBD strain found in Colombia ( with national cultivar registry and all) is Stellita CBD, but maybe not enoguh CBD content for you (CBD (%): 14,34; THC 0,22). You can buy clones of it from these people ESQUEJE CANNABIS STELLITA CBD 0,6 LT - PLANTAE but they are outofstock right know (id contact the guys and ask when they think theyll have it again). Ive grown this strain in Bogota's outdoor climate (no green house or anything of the sorts) and have had no issues with mold. I know people who ahve grown it in green house and it's a very good performer.

Hope anyof this helps you. Will hit back with the contact info.

Thanks, @elcoloan . That is very good to know.
I might be looking for seeds come March, but probably not before that.
I have 22 older Mango Biche seeds from this valley on heat mats, trying to get them to pop. (One just came up.)
Probably I will try to sprout these for this grow, and if I cannot get what I need, then obviously I will look for more seed. If I do that, then I will definitely give Stellita a close inspection.

I look forward to hearing about the contacts or guides.

 

[cbdhemp808]

Right.
But so you are saying that a dramatic drop from 18 to +/- 12 might impress a European indoor plant, it isn't going to impress a tropical sativa? And that even if the dark drops from 18 hours to 12 hours and (say) 9 minutes, that dramatic drop isn't going to impress the plant, even though some growers play with the upper end of their 12/12???

I'm not sure what you're saying here. It sounds like you are talking about extending the night length, which would require "light deprivation"—i.e. covering the whole greenhouse to block out the light. I'm not familiar with that method, but yes, I think it's used to jump-start flowering.

'Cuz I thought for sure I saw Emilya or someone pushing her lights to 12.5 / 11.5 or maybe even 13 / 11...
If that really does not work then I would need autos...
Only, it works INSIDE under LEDs?? (So why would it not work outside??)

Light deprivation does work outside, but you can't turn off the sun with a switch, hence the need to cover the greenhouse.

I wrote them, and we will see what they say.

 

[CBDMed]

I'm not sure what you're saying here. It sounds like you are talking about extending the night length, which would require "light deprivation"—i.e. covering the whole greenhouse to block out the light. I'm not familiar with that method, but yes, I think it's used to jump-start flowering.

Sorry, what I am trying to say is that I want to artificially lengthen the LIGHT portion outside from 12 hours to 18 hours (thereby reducing the dark time from 12 hours to about 6 hours) by adding artificial lighting during veg, and then suddenly taking it away when it is time to flower.

My reasoning:
We get natural daylight from @ 6AM to @ 6PM (often cloudcover, but sunlight nonetheless). That is 12 hours.
Then, in addition to those 12 hours of natural daylight, I have two "super bright (haha)" solar-powered night-party-light strings on the way. At least they allegedly provide "bright" light for about 6 hours (hopefully bright enough to keep the girls from producing flowering hormone). It was the brightest string I could find, and I got two.
This was right before you showed me the solar panels and inverter (which I want to come back to some day, just not now).

They are supposed to automatically turn on at sunset, and run "super bright" for about 6 hours. That means they would start to go dim about midnight. Then the plants would have dark (and hypothetically sleep) between around midnight and 6AM, with the sunrise.
So, with that regimen, the plants will have 18 hours of light for veg. Then we will suddenly remove the light strings, so that the light hours drop from 18 to 12, all at once.
That is how I get my plants in my grow room to flip indoors, is by suddenly dropping the light hours from 18 to 12. I guess I do not understand why this same strategy should not work outdoors.

Light deprivation does work outside, but you can't turn off the sun with a switch, hence the need to cover the greenhouse.

Yes, thanks.
Sorry, I meant when we take away the night-extender lights it will be like the same as removing the hour at midnight, for night-interruption lighting. Only this time, instead of removing the night-interruption lighting we would remove the light-extension lighting (but both halt the flowering hormone).
Is there some reason removing night-extender lights should not work the same as removing night-interruption lights?
Sorry, but I am not getting it.
Then when the plants are big enough, we would take away the night-extender-lights (in one day).
This is how I get my indoor plants to flip. Will this not work outdoors, as well?
I hope I am explaining clearly.

 

[InTheShed]

That is how I get my plants in my grow room to flip indoors, is by suddenly dropping the light hours from 18 to 12. I guess I do not understand why this same strategy should not work outdoors.

It will definitely work outdoors as it does inside. I do the same thing but by moving the plants into darkness even when it's light outside (here in Los Angeles).

 

[cbdhemp808]

This is how I get my indoor plants to flip. Will this not work outdoors, as well?
I hope I am explaining clearly.

Your indoor plants only need night interruption lighting to prevent flowering. All you need to do is stop the night interruption and they will flower.

The local outdoor sativas don't even need night interruption lighting to prevent flowering. They will flower when they are ready. If you are trying to force them to flower early by providing night interruption, and then stopping night interruption, I don't know if that will work. They are already in a natural sunlight situation of right around 12 hours of night already, year round, and yet they only flower when they are old enough to flower, and when other conditions are met.

If you are talking about growing something other than the local sativas, outdoors in a greenhouse, the same applies—you only need night interruption to prevent flowering, and then turn that off and they will flower.

 

[elcoloan]

If I do not grow in a greenhouse, then how do I keep the plants warm?

Oh sorry, by green house growing I was mostly referring to those bambu or even cheaper ones you see in most places here. Yes, even those can be well conditioned to be properly sealed, with good thrips netting and all the bells and whistles..... and with top growing skills they work quite well, but most I've seen with cannabis end up having some sort of issue after just 3 o 4 runs (if not sooner) and seem to require more work and sometime even more cash in the long run compared to better greenhouses. Normally they have issues because of wood rotting, and also because of pests or other biological problems getting into the grows. Warmth is normally not the issue really unless you are in a terribly cold place, and a cheap palstic green house hleps with that. Point was, try to get that green house as well sealed as you can and invest in good thrips netting and proven IPM method for the region you are at if you want top shelf meds.

I just sent you a PM with some contact info BTW.


EDIT:
I couldn't start a conversation with you, so here is a very summarized version of the message:
I owe you a few more, but for now, I would really recommend the guys at Cerro Bravo dot co . They have their email and phone in their website. I haven't spoken to them in over a year or more, but they still seem to be doing their thing and they grow under bamboo and plastic. In their facebook page (Plantación Medicinal) they have several photos for you to get an idea of how they grow. Their workshops are very insightful. Hope they are kind to you and that they can help you.

 

[cbdhemp808]

Warmth is normally not the issue really unless you are in a terribly cold place, and a cheap palstic green house hleps with that.

Med's greenhouse location is in Southern Colombia, in the mountains above 9,000 ft. It's not cold cold there, but not ideal temps for cannabis.

Summer highs are like maybe 68-73F. Once I saw maybe 75F. Lows around maybe 55-59F.
Wintertime highs are like maybe 61-65F. Maybe 67F once in a while. Lows around 50F.

 

[CBDMed]

Oh sorry, by green house growing I was mostly referring to those bambu or even cheaper ones you see in most places here.

Thanks, @elcoloan ! I appreciate the inside scoop.
Yes, they are making a home built invernadero greenhouse in guadua (bamboo). I told them it needs a good net to keep all of the bugs out. They said that they will put the Angeo mesh, which is the finest mesh they know. I will check to make sure it is sealed before we put the plants.

Yes, even those can be well conditioned to be properly sealed, with good thrips netting and all the bells and whistles.....

I think it's going to be a pretty basic greenhouse, because we are on a tight budget right now. But if it has good angeo mesh and electricity for fans, it should be good.

and with top growing skills they work quite well, but most I've seen with cannabis end up having some sort of issue after just 3 o 4 runs (if not sooner) and seem to require more work and sometime even more cash in the long run compared to better greenhouses.

Some day it would be nice to have a very nice outdoor greenhouse, but at the moment we have to settle for functional. But I definitely want sealed mesh.
(If you have sealed mesh there are so many fewer bugs, and you do not have to use so much spray.)

Normally they have issues because of wood rotting, and also because of pests or other biological problems getting into the grows.

I'm pretty sure the bamboo is treated. I don't know how long it will last. If it starts Sharot we can do something else.

Warmth is normally not the issue really unless you are in a terribly cold place, and a cheap palstic green house hleps with that.

Bogotá is supposed to be around 2600 m (8600 feet), depending on what part you are in.
I think we are just a little bit higher than that here (2800m / 9200 feet).
I spent about two months in Bogotá overall, and I think the climate is very similar here. Maybe just one or 2° warmer where you are, but very similar. (Not nearly as many bugs in the city, haha.)

Point was, try to get that green house as well sealed as you can and invest in good thrips netting and proven IPM method for the region you are at if you want top shelf meds.

Yes, thanks!
Sorry, IPM is "integrated pest management"?
I don't know very much. I know that I tried one grow recently where I top dressed with GeoFlora. The bud quality was amazing! And the flavors were very rich and full. Only, there were a zillion bugs! It looked like air traffic control at El Dorado Airport!
This grow I am using a modified Subcool Supersoil recipe, and I barely see any bugs. So I think I'm going to premix my soil in the future, just to get rid of bugs.
During I usually spray with neem oil and Dr. Bronner's unscented Castille soap.
Tech Industries / Dr. Wee also sells a Sanoplant formula which I think is garlic, and hot peppers.
I had what we think are some Russet mites that took out a crop about four grows ago, so we will want to keep everything sealed and sprayed.
I am out of time, but the contractors son (who appears to be about 20 years old) seems like he's really into it, so hopefully he will want to do a good job. And if we grow Mango Biche, Mango Biche is huge (3-4m tall), so he can probably smoke all he wants.

I just sent you a PM with some contact info BTW.

Cool!
I'm running around right now but I hope to catch up with you soon.

EDIT:
I couldn't start a conversation with you,

so here is a very summarized version of the message:

I owe you a few more, but for now, I would really recommend the guys at Cerro Bravo dot co . They have their email and phone in their website. I haven't spoken to them in over a year or more, but they still seem to be doing their thing and they grow under bamboo and plastic. In their facebook page (Plantación Medicinal) they have several photos for you to get an idea of how they grow. Their workshops are very insightful. Hope they are kind to you and that they can help you.

Thank you, elcoloan.
This one?

Plantación Medicinal


I will try to check them out.
I think really what I need to do is put the contractors son in contact with people who know how to grow, because it seems like he is into it, and would have a fun time doing it.

 

[CBDMed]

Clones:.
2 Northern Light CBD sativa
1 Cookies and Cream 1:1 sativa
2 Dr. Seedsman 30:1 CBD sativa
3 (2) Pineapple Kush THC (two of them looked tall and good, one of them had a difficult surgery to get a helmet off and she's not real tall yet but I'm hoping she will recover.
10 subtotal

Seedlings:
8 (9?) Dr. Seedsman 30:1 CBD (one is a double)
9 Mango Biche all THC

So that is actually 26 plants in 25 cups. This one below is a double.
(I am not real sure what I did wrong but I replanted some of the cups. I typically dug the old seed out first and then put the new seed, but some of the cups came up with two seeds, so I am not sure what I did wrong, or which one is which.)

This one also first came up with two seeds. I pulled the one in the starter cube out and did surgery (trying to remove a helmet and get it planted with her tail down) but she didn't make it. I can't be 100% sure this one is Mango Biche. It might be one of the earlier strains that I planted.

Cannapot says they have an AI strain identifier, so when they get a little bigger I will try to see if I can identify which strain is what.
And that is probably all the seeds I need, so I can probably stop with the heat mats. I will probably let them go until after the weekend and then pull them.
At this point I just need to let the girls get a little bigger, make sure what strains I've got, and pick the 20 best.

When I get time I want to put up some mylar or something on the wooden wall to reflect light a little better.

 

[CBDMed]

Med's greenhouse location is in Southern Colombia, in the mountains above 9,000 ft. It's not cold cold there, but not ideal temps for cannabis.

I think @elcoloan is in Bogotá, which is almost as high. I think the city is like 8500+ feet (2600+ meters), depending on what part of the city you are in. I spent maybe two months they're all told, I think the temperature is about maybe one or 2°C (3 or 4 F) warmer than here.

I do not think it is so cold that cannabis will not grow, but I think it will appreciate having something put around it, if there is good ventilation.

 

[CBDMed]

It looks like Cookies and Cream is commonly known to have caryophyllene, limonene, and myrcene dominant. As such, and being indica dominant, likely not fungus resistant. Some phenos may have some pinene and terpinolene.

Ok. I guess we will see.
I am kind of taking a "throw everyone in and see who survives behind bug netting in an inverted-season grow. Haha, I do not recommend it! Lol!!
Next year we can start in march, but this should be a good torture test to see who makes it. And with six clones we should get at least one healthy male and one healthy female to make fresh Mango Biche seed and clones.
And then we can get a clone garden, and when we have clones that survive and thrive reliably in this climate, and do not mold, then maybe in the future we can go back to sinsemilla clones??
I already asked about a separate clone tent.

I grew Seedsman 30:1 CBD, and it was very bud rot resistant, but definitely NOT resistant to powdery mildew. With a different pheno, results may vary.

Yeah. And whichever plant looks best at the end of the season, we will keep seed from her.
And I am not sure, but when I plant that seed, do I cross again with the THC father (Mango Biche tropical THC monster sativa)?
Or do I cross again with the CBD mother (Dr. Seedsman 30:1, three foot all-CBD bush)?

Regarding "acclimating", that only applies if you are doing selective breeding and choosing the phenos that grow the best in the local environment.

That is the plan, yes.
This seeded grow does not have to be the only thing we grow.
We can take seeds and store them in the fridge. They take a while to come up when they are older, but eventually they come up.
And then get a big huge crop, and put it into the cob, and then you can grow something else next year (sinsemilla or seeded, depending).
If Afghan Kush is mold resistant, I am interested to try it. And maybe cross it with the Dr. Seedsman, to make a different strain, and then we can take seeds and clones of her.
And then everything else can go into the cob for now.

Or, if you are planting many Seedsman 30:1 seeds and looking for a pheno that happens to do better in your environment. A pheno either does well or doesn't do well.

Yes, I think I have 2 clones and 8 seedlings, for a total of 10.
I thought, the one that looks the best at the end of the inverted-season torture test can be the seed mother--and then everyone else goes into the cob.
Sometimes I wish I had a CBD father to hit the Pineapple Kush with. Maybe that can be in a future grow. Right now we need to see if CannaSur genetics survive the humidity of winter in a greenhouse, or not. Or at least, how far they get.
If I recall, I had to cut a few plants early because of mold, but still I trimmed the mold, bud washed, and they went into the cob, and came out fine.

Keep in mind that indicas and sativa/indica hybrids (that lean either sativa or indica), are typically not subject to the 12-hour requirement to start flowering. They will start flowering at your location as soon as they are sexually mature and the plants are big enough to support flowering.

Well, according to the locals, if you plant in March or April (i.e., when the day starts to go above 12/12), the plants will veg until they start to go below 12/12 again, in September. And then the plants will automatically flower once you hit that true 12/12, maybe because certain phenos adapted successfully to the more subtle variations in climate?
But when you Hit them with 18 hours a day, and then drop that to @ +/- 12 hours a day, I think they will flower reliably, just like they do indoors under LED.
The big question is if the genetics survive the environment under plastic and behind mesh, with fans. I am thinking with 2 healthy clones and 8 healthy seedlings, there should be maybe one or two phenos that look "best" for a host of reasons--so you take the seeds from the best one, and those become your experimental seed.
I think I plant that experimental seed and cross back with one of the parents, but I do not remember if you cross with the father or mother--or if you can do either, or what are the advantages/disadvantages.
I am hoping @bluter or some knowledgeable breeder will want to clarify.

I think the idea for this grow is to get reliable mold-resistant CBD seed. Mango Biche has a strong reputation for mold resistance, so it should be a good parent in one sense.
Dr. Seedsman is a sativa, and you said it has strong mold resistance, just leaf mildew, which can be treated, and does not affect the buds (thankfully!).
We can take clones, and we can store seeds. I think you nailed it--the key is to take clones of the strains that look best.

It depends a lot of the kush strain and pheno of that strain. The best evidence yet I've seen for fungus resistance in a kush would be Afghan Kush and Northern Lights #5.

Yes, I will be interested to see how this Pineapple Kush does, and then we can mix in the grinder, and also before we put it into the cob.
I wish I could hit the Pineapple Kush with a CBD father, and then see if it survives the weather.
I think your idea about Afghan Kush is the best idea. I have no money for seeds right now, and I still have lots of seeds in the fridge.

If you were going to all the trouble to breed and create a 1:1 variety (THC:CBD), you might as well start with a verified highly fungus resistant THC strain (indica and/or sativa),

Yes, that is Mango Biche's reputation exactly.
That is the primary reason I am choosing it, is its reputation for being "bulletproof" with regard to mold here.
Second, these seeds came from plants somewhere in this same valley, so they are already adapted to the valley.
Third, it is a tropical sativa. The natural medical doctor had Moby Dick, Sweet Afghan Delicious, and Mango Biche. I only had the Mango Biche that one time, but I felt like I had entered the wifi, and was communicating with people around Saturn, etc. I mean, it was TRIPPY!!!

and a potent CBD strain that's also highly fungus resistant.

Yes, I think the Dr. Seedsman will do nicely for a mother. She has a little bit of susceptibility to fungus on the leaves, but that is controllable.
And one of them should look like the "best overall" seed mother queen. Maybe one or two will have little or no leaf mold, and will also be strong and vigorous.
And then we will have seeds and clones of the best Mango Biche, and also seeds and clones of the best Dr. Seedsman mamas.
Now I just need to find out if I cross back to the mother or the father or both.
Probably we will chop all but the best looking THC Mango Biche male.
The contractor said his friend's Moños (Bows) variety can live in the greenhouse for a year and a half. So like two seasons.
Basically you can strip the buds, and then re-veg it.
I wonder how many seasons it takes non-tropical genetics to adapt to take advantage of the full growing season.

But then... we are back to the same discussion re: growing separate THC and CBD, and then mixing them in the grinder.

Yeah, it would be great to get around the 20 plant limit for breeding purposes, but that takes work, and I might have to drive that one horrible road again to apply for the permit. I do not know.
If you can apply here in the valley I could maybe apply for a permit for private breeding, so that they know I am just growing for personal, medicinal, and spiritual purposes, and probably I would get it, but if I have to drive down to the Amazon Basin again, forget it! That is a wartime road carved out of a cliff that has never been improved. That is the scariest road I have ever been on in my life.
If I just keep to 20 plants, I do not need any permits.
I think if we have a good clone tent, all we need to do is to crack seeds, and keep clones of the best ones.
I think you basically have to pay a bribe to get a license to breed commercially, and I do not want to get into that.
If you did not have to pay a bribe I might apply so we could grow maybe 100 in ground, for breeding purposes, but I just do not need to get into that.
If I keep it under 20 I do not have to get into that.
I think we can pop seeds, and see what makes it. And keep strains and clones of what grows best, and what we like best. Maybe I can find mold resistant regular CBD seeds at some point, so we can hit females with male CBD pollen.

If you are not locked-in to the Moños sativa, you have options as to start time by growing indica or sativa/indica hybrids. But you would need to acquire new seed. A bigger concern I think is the temperature in the greenhouse over the coming weeks and months... low temps and high temps.

Yes, I agree completely.
Only, we are taking a "torture test" mentality with this one.
The goal is to get fresh Mango Biche seed and clones, and seed from the best Dr. Seedsman 30:1 mama, and then put everyone else into the cob.
I am looking forward to seeing which of the clones and seedlings makes it.
I am especially interested to see if the Pineapple Kush makes it.
If not, I can definitely replace it with Afghan Kush. I would think regular seeds would be easy to find.
But in the meantime, if we take seeds from Pineapple Kush and cross those with a Dr. Seedsman mama, and the seed has good mold resistance, then we should have a Pineapple Kush CBD right there.
And then we just have to find out who to cross back to, and refine the line.

 

[cbdhemp808]

Ok. I guess we will see.

You replied to that post already, on Oct. 25. I think we've been over all that material already. Maybe re-read Oct. 25 up to the present.

 

[CBDMed]

You replied to that post already, on Oct. 25. I think we've been over all that material already. Maybe re-read Oct. 25 up to the present.

Ok.
Well, I was in kind of a hurry when I went through all of that before.
It was good for me to reread your posts.
I suppose it was not necessary to re-respond.
Maybe it was needless reading for you?
I guess I was thinking out loud, to clarify my thoughts, trying to reconsider what you said.
Sorry.

 

[cbdhemp808]

Ok.
Well, I was in kind of a hurry when I went through all of that before.
It was good for me to reread your posts.
I suppose it was not necessary to re-respond.
Maybe it was needless reading for you?
I guess I was thinking out loud.
Sorry.

No worries. I did read and skim, but started feeling like I already responded to what you were saying... for example the part about photoperiod and lighting, and the parts about breeding. If you'd like to distill out some new questions from all that, I'm happy to try to answer.

 

[CBDMed]

EDIT:
I couldn't start a conversation with you, so here is a very summarized version of the message:
I owe you a few more, but for now, I would really recommend the guys at Cerro Bravo dot co . They have their email and phone in their website. I haven't spoken to them in over a year or more, but they still seem to be doing their thing and they grow under bamboo and plastic. In their facebook page (Plantación Medicinal) they have several photos for you to get an idea of how they grow. Their workshops are very insightful. Hope they are kind to you and that they can help you.

Yes, I tried to start a conversation with you also, but it is blocked from my side also.
Not sure why.
Maybe admin has to block Colombia just to keep the cops away? Not sure, really. Too bad, but it is what it is.

I have been talking with Tech Industries, and also Bendita Sea in Bogotá. Bendita Sea sold me some bad quality soil, and I have had issues.
I have not had any real issues with Tech Industries, except attempts at upselling.

I have way too many seeds. I wonder how many generations it takes them to take advantage of the long summers, and lengthen their flowering times.

 

[CBDMed]

No worries. I did read and skim, but started feeling like I already responded to what you were saying... for example the part about photoperiod and lighting, and the parts about breeding. If you'd like to distill out some new questions from all that, I'm happy to try to answer.

Thanks.
EDIT: Sorry if this is basic, but I am just trying to get things straight in my own head.


Assuming the sativa phenos are resistant, I think I have NL CBD.

However, Kush is still highly desirable, because I have multiple spinal injuries, and Kush makes me want to do deep stretching (which is very beneficial).
Only, in the Kush department, you have recommended both Afghan Kush and Pineapple Kush.
Assuming I can find phenos that are adapted and mold resistant here, may I please ask your comparative opinions of each?

I know you recommended Afghan Kush because it is highly resistant.

You also recommended Tweedle Creek and East Fork Pineapple Kush cultivars in specific, but they do not ship.

EDIT:
Assuming I can find a mold-resistant pheno, do you have an opinion as to which strain would hypothetically be better?
I cannot remember why you recommended Pineapple Kush, but I think it had something to do with phenos.
Or beyond mold resistance is it simply a matter of personal preference?
Thanks.

 

[CBDMed]

PS hahaha, I guess I do not really know what I want...


I agree, I think this Dr. Biche CBD project will take a lot of work--and what I really need first is a CBD Pineapple or Afghan Kush. Then as cool as it is, communicating through Saturn WiFi can come later, hahahaha


But in thinking about it, I also think you are right, it could be a lot better to adapt some high-quality mold-eesistant genetics to the valley.than to try to breed a new strain.
I also get your point, that lots of high quality high-mold-resistance strains probably adapt well to a greenhouse here, so realistically the Dr. Mango Biche CBD project is not that high of a priority.

If I am going to run clones, maybe I should just destroy all of the males anyway, even though other people will have males in the area?
Or destroy all but the best one, and isolate it on the other side of the proprty, and just take some of the earliest seed, and destroy it.
I think you guys have been counseling cloning for a long time. Sorry, it takes me some time to adapt sometimes, but I think the lightbulb might be finally starting to come on.