Humid Temperate Colombian Andes Greenhouse Organic Grow

[CBDMed]

Ok, clone mama check.
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This girl back in the corner is Northern Light CBD sativa pheno. She kind of has a delayed stretch but she's started now.

This is Cookies and Cream 1:1. She looks like a sativa pheno. She is supposed to be mold resistant to start with but with sativa I expect she will be very mold resistant.

This is Peyote Wi-Fi CBD. I was super excited that she turned out sativa. She is frosting up real well. She is supposed to taste like earthy diesel so I took several clones. I hope they make it.

This is Dr. Seedsman 30:1. She's not real tall and not super vigorous. I thought she would stretch a lot more. But maybe she is still stretching?
If I had known, I would not have lollipop trimmed her up so high. I took a lot of clones on her also.

This is Deep Mandarine (CBD Sugar Black Rose). I get your point now about growing a sativa sugar black rose and then mixing in the grinder. She girl has a fairly tight bud structure, I think she's definitely at risk of mold, so I put her directly in front of the fan inside the grow room.
I took some clones of her but I think it's better not to try them outdoors. I think it will be better to mix a sativa Sugar Black Rose and a sativa CBD in the grinder.

This is CBD Jam. I think it's a hybrid but her bud structure seems loose enough that if you trim it right for good airflow it might probably do just fine in the greenhouse. I don't know, what do you think?

This is a second CBD Jam.
I think if I keep the leaves trimmed out, the bud structure is loose enough that it will probably be OK.

And lastly, this is Cookies and Cream 1:1 CBD looks like an Indica. C&C 1:1 is supposed to be mold resistant so probably she'll be just fine. I did not take clones (but I have more seeds).
I'm not sure about the taste, but if it is indica and does not mold it will work better as medicine than an indica that does mold, ha ha.

Basically I think I should be OK to take clones of everything except for the Deep Mandarin.
For Deep Mandarine, I think I need to replace with sativa Sugar Black Rose, and then mix with CBD in the grinder.

Of course I still have to see what molds and does not mold in the indoor flower room.
If anything molds in the flower room, it does not go to the property.

 

[cbdhemp808]

Super Lemon Haze, photo by @Nicholas Flamel , 2020

My bad... that one is Super Silver Haze. But they are similar... both have phenos with high terpinolene and other pine terpenes.

Super Lemon Haze

photo: Reddit, Microgrowery group, user MisterManMeow (2017)

 

[cbdhemp808]

Ok, clone mama check.
Everything was bought from a sponsor.
This girl back in the corner is Northern Light CBD sativa pheno. She kind of has a delayed stretch but she's started now.

This is Cookies and Cream 1:1. She looks like a sativa pheno. She is supposed to be mold resistant to start with but with sativa I expect she will be very mold resistant.

This is Peyote Wi-Fi CBD. I was super excited that she turned out sativa. She is frosting up real well. She is supposed to taste like earthy diesel so I took several clones. I hope they make it.

This is Dr. Seedsman 30:1. She's not real tall and not super vigorous. I thought she would stretch a lot more. But maybe she is still stretching?
If I had known, I would not have lollipop trimmed her up so high. I took a lot of clones on her also.

This is Deep Mandarine (CBD Sugar Black Rose). I get your point now about growing a sativa sugar black rose and then mixing in the grinder. She girl has a fairly tight bud structure, I think she's definitely at risk of mold, so I put her directly in front of the fan inside the grow room.
I took some clones of her but I think it's better not to try them outdoors. I think it will be better to mix a sativa Sugar Black Rose and a sativa CBD in the grinder.

This is CBD Jam. I think it's a hybrid but her bud structure seems loose enough that if you trim it right for good airflow it might probably do just fine in the greenhouse. I don't know, what do you think?

This is a second CBD Jam.
I think if I keep the leaves trimmed out, the bud structure is loose enough that it will probably be OK.

And lastly, this is Cookies and Cream 1:1 CBD looks like an Indica. C&C 1:1 is supposed to be mold resistant so probably she'll be just fine. I did not take clones (but I have more seeds).
I'm not sure about the taste, but if it is indica and does not mold it will work better as medicine than an indica that does mold, ha ha.

Basically I think I should be OK to take clones of everything except for the Deep Mandarin.
For Deep Mandarine, I think I need to replace with sativa Sugar Black Rose, and then mix with CBD in the grinder.

Of course I still have to see what molds and does not mold in the indoor flower room.

 

[CBDMed]

My bad... that one is Super Silver Haze. But they are similar... both have phenos with high terpinolene and other pine terpenes.

Super Lemon Haze

photo: Reddit, Microgrowery group, user MisterManMeow (2017)

 

[CBDMed]

Ok, I took a look at the goat stall cleanings. It is sawdust. I do not think it is treated sawdust or any kind of resistant wood. It looks like half of it is completely rotted, and there's another section where there are still some faint wood chips but they are rotting. (I would want it 100% rotted before I put it in my garage so it does not steal oxygen.)

This side of the pile looks ready to use.

This side of the pile looks like it needs to rot a little bit more. (You could probably use it in a pinch, but it looks like it is only about 85–90% decomposed. I would prefer to have it completely decomposed first.)

I noticed they are not keeping it covered. Does compost need to stay covered (so the goods do not wash through with the rain)?

 

[CBDMed]

PS I am not sure if this is an orchid, or what this thing is, but they sure have plenty of moisture in the air here!

 

[cbdhemp808]

Ok, I took a look at the goat stall cleanings. It is sawdust. I do not think it is treated sawdust or any kind of resistant wood. It looks like half of it is completely rotted, and there's another section where there are still some faint wood chips but they are rotting. (I would want it 100% rotted before I put it in my garage so it does not steal oxygen.)

Yes, you want 100% decomposed.

I noticed they are not keeping it covered. Does compost need to stay covered (so the goods do not wash through with the rain)?

Good for it to get some water, but you definitely want it covered from the rain. It's also good to turn it with a shovel.

 

[cbdhemp808]

Nice! My guess is a bromeliad, possibly a Tillandsia species, maybe Tillandsia biflora. Yes, an air plant that grabs water from the air.

 

[CBDMed]

It depends on what strain you are growing. The Mango Biche would get huge if you let it, so you would need to top it to fit in the greenhouse.

My guy said it is 4M tall in the center and 3M tall on the sides, so yeah, I would probably need to top the Mango Biche.

I've had 10 ft sativas before and they did OK in 40 gal. I would say 15 would be plenty for a lot of strains. 10 would even be OK for some... I've had really nice plants in 10 gal.

Ok, I checked.
I have plenty of 15G fabric pots, which should be good for *most of the strains.
I also have plenty of 10G fabric pots, which is probably good for the Dr. Seedsman 30:1 sativas (because they do not get real big).
Then I can build 40G wire hoops to make raised beds for the Mango Biche.
(And when I re-use the cloth pots I will stab them with an ice pik, to make air holes.)

Use an online calculator for the volume of a cylinder... just google for calculate volume of cylinder. Plug in the parameters in inches and you'll get cubic inches. Then type into google: X cubic inches to gallons. Voila! Play around until you hit the number of gallons you're shooting for. Then you can calculate the circumference to determine your length of chicken wire.

Okay, a 12" radius (24" diameter) with 21" height is 41 gallons. If it sits on top of the native soil (another 6-8") that is probably plenty.
The only problem is that I am not sure I have enough supersoil for all that.

I have 7 bins of supersoil, at 40G each (@ 280G of supersoil, realistically probably more like 260 G).
When I add aeration (volcanic pumice + perlite + rice hulls) I can almost double that (since SIP aeration is about 40%), so that will be maybe 375-400 gallons.
Still, if I plant 5 Mango Biche that is 200 gallons of soil, just for those 5!


If I run out of supersoil (which I might), I have plenty of supersoil nutrients, but you are supposed to let it cook for at least 3 months.
I doubt that the "hard" nutrients like the Dolomite Lime and Magnesium Sulfate (Epsom Salts) really need to cook, but the blood meal and the other "soft" nutes definitely need to cook, so they do not rob the oxygen from the soil.)
So, maybe I should fill the cloth pots with supersoil first, and then I can use whatever is left over for the Mango Biche raised beds??
And if / when I run out of supersoil, maybe I can try to fill the raised beds with goat manure and worm compost, and then we can do a side-by-side "comparison" grow???
Only, is there anything I can mix in with the goat manure and worm compost soil on short notice, so that the Mango Biche gets some better nutrition??

 

[CBDMed]

Ok, I consolidated the girls that have come up from seed, and pulled the heat mat. (Is that too soon to pull it?)
I still have a heat mat under the girls that have not yet popped.
It is not looking good for the older seeds.
I just put six Mango Biche seeds. I am not sure how many will come up.

Some of the clones are starting to get a little bit pale. Are they still OK?

Do I need to take them out and pot them up? Or are they still okay for now?

 

[cbdhemp808]

Then I can build 40G wire hoops to make raised beds for the Mango Biche.
(And when I re-use the cloth pots I will stab them with an ice pik, to make air holes.)

Fabric pots already allow for air; however, since they are being re-used, you may need to wash the fabric... i.e. scrub with soapy water and a stiff scrub brush, sides and bottom of pot. This to allow air flow again, and proper drainage.

Okay, a 12" radius (24" diameter) with 21" height is 41 gallons. If it sits on top of the native soil (another 6-8") that is probably plenty.
The only problem is that I am not sure I have enough supersoil for all that.

24 x 21 is fairly close to "square". I recommend going a bit more "squat", since cannabis roots like to go horizontal more than vertical. For our DIY 40 gal fabric bags, we used 25.8" diameter and 18" height.

The formula is: volume in cubic inches = (π x radius squared) x height

9410 cu in = (π x (25.8/2) squared) x 18
9410 cu in / 231 = 40.7 gal

For example, if you want 30 gal instead, keeping height at 18", solve for diameter, D...

30 gal x 231 = 6930 cu in
6930 cu in = (π x (D/2) squared) x 18
6930 cu in = (9π x (D/2) squared) / 2
D squared = (6930 x 2) / 9π
D squared = 1540 / π
D squared = 490.2
D = ~22.14" diameter

I have 7 bins of supersoil, at 40G each (@ 280G of supersoil, realistically probably more like 260 G).
When I add aeration (volcanic pumice + perlite + rice hulls) I can almost double that (since SIP aeration is about 40%), so that will be maybe 375-400 gallons.
Still, if I plant 5 Mango Biche that is 200 gallons of soil, just for those 5!

Well, the quite large 40 gal pot size is to accommodate the very tall growing Mango Biche sativa. Maybe just try out a couple of those (80 gal)? Maybe it would be best to grow a smaller sativa plant, such as the Super Lemon Haze, in say, 15 gal pots. 260 - 80 gal = 180 gal. 180 / 15 = 12 plants. Or you could grow 6 x SLH and 6 x NL5.

If I run out of supersoil (which I might), I have plenty of supersoil nutrients, but you are supposed to let it cook for at least 3 months.
I doubt that the "hard" nutrients like the Dolomite Lime and Magnesium Sulfate (Epsom Salts) really need to cook, but the blood meal and the other "soft" nutes definitely need to cook, so they do not rob the oxygen from the soil.)

You could use your mineral ferts along with bat guano for N and seabird guano for P (no cooking needed). Then you could use Langbeinite for K, Mg, S (and not use epsom salt). Langbeinite is also called "K-Mag"... a very common fertilizer.

So, maybe I should fill the cloth pots with supersoil first, and then I can use whatever is left over for the Mango Biche raised beds??
And if / when I run out of supersoil, maybe I can try to fill the raised beds with goat manure and worm compost, and then we can do a side-by-side "comparison" grow???
Only, is there anything I can mix in with the goat manure and worm compost soil on short notice, so that the Mango Biche gets some better nutrition??

Sorry, I lost track of what you are going to grow in cloth pots vs. wire raised beds.

I'm not sure what all you have available to re-condition your 260 gal of super soil, but you could just mix it all together, goat manure, worm compost, maybe some filtered topsoil, etc. That's a lot of mixing! Makes me think of some kind of rotating drum that would hold 50 gal at a time. Good to re-hydrate it all, too, to activate the microbes. It would be great if you had access to coco coir blocks.

 

[cbdhemp808]

The ones in the back, right side are flowering. Are you using night interruption lighting? Must do. The ones in the back, left side are lacking nutrients. I would say in general you are leaving too much leaf on the cuttings. I'll take a photo of my clones so you can see what I mean. Do you see any roots coming out the bottom? That's what I cue on... when I see some roots out the bottom, I up-pot to 1 gal.

 

[CBDMed]

Fabric pots already allow for air; however, since they are being re-used, you may need to wash the fabric... i.e. scrub with soapy water and a stiff scrub brush, sides and bottom of pot. This to allow air flow again, and proper drainage.

Good idea.
Thanks.

24 x 21 is fairly close to "square". I recommend going a bit more "squat", since cannabis roots like to go horizontal more than vertical. For our DIY 40 gal fabric bags, we used 25.8" diameter and 18" height.

The formula is: volume in cubic inches = (π x radius squared) x height

9410 cu in = (π x (25.8/2) squared) x 18
9410 cu in / 231 = 40.7 gal

For example, if you want 30 gal instead, keeping height at 18", solve for diameter, D...

30 gal x 231 = 6930 cu in
6930 cu in = (π x (D/2) squared) x 18
6930 cu in = (9π x (D/2) squared) / 2
D squared = (6930 x 2) / 9π
D squared = 1540 / π
D squared = 490.2
D = ~22.14" diameter

Yes, ok, sorry, I should have said, my site foreman and the contractor said they are interested to learn any advanced techniques.
They want to use drip irrigation.
I thought if I fill the cloth buckets with supersoil, and then put them in a plastic tub, then they can put their drippers, and we can basically do SWICK.

@013 said he would put the fabric pot directly in the water, and it worked, so actually I was thinking that I should try to imitate the factory SIP height, because with the factory GroTech SIP, when you fill the res, it wicks to about 2" under the surface of the soil.
So, I was thinking if the pot has a little height, then it should imitate the conditions of the SIP, meaning drier soil on top and wet soil on bottom (SWICK).
I also thought that since clones do not have tap roots, the feeder roots should not be adversely affected, since it will be drier near the top.
I hope I am explaining my idea well.
The reality is that I have existing fabric pots, and will probably just use those (and we can adjust the drippers as needed).

Well, the quite large 40 gal pot size is to accommodate the very tall growing Mango Biche sativa. Maybe just try out a couple of those (80 gal)? Maybe it would be best to grow a smaller sativa plant, such as the Super Lemon Haze, in say, 15 gal pots.

Super Lemon Haze is definitely on the list for the future! CBD Jam has pineapple flavors (no idea of the terpene profile).
The Mango Biche seeds are a little old, and they are regulars, so I have no idea how many of the 6 will come up, and how many will be males or females. (I tried that inspect-the-navel gendering thing again, but I will not be sure until we get there. Even if I did it all wrong, probably 3 males, 3 females.)
The goal is to get one good Mango Biche clone mother, and one good MB plant harvest, and anything else is gravy.

About pot size, I need to look up my plant heights.
Dr. Seedsman 30:1 says it caps out about 5 feet.
Candida says about the same height (5 feet).
If it is only 5 feet and it has a dripper, then maybe 5G would be big enough for each?
Or would 7G be better?
(If they are only 5 feet tall, then they do NOT need a 10G!!)

When I grew with supersoil before in 2016, you could get a nice 5-6 foot bush with a 5G.
I used 7G for moisture control, but 5G had all of the nutrients they needed.

Probably I need to plant ALL of my Dr. Seedsman clones, and the Candida girls, because I will need CBD to mix with the Mango Biche.

I will have to find out how tall the plants get, to plan pot size.
I could not find an expected height for CBD Jam, but probably a 7G would do for her also. 10G even. (15G would probably be excessive.)
So I need to research pot sizes.

260 - 80 gal = 180 gal. 180 / 15 = 12 plants. Or you could grow 6 x SLH and 6 x NL5.

Great ponderings.
The Candida came up 4 for 4, so that is indica CBD.
I have maybe 6 Dr. Seedsman 30:1 clones, so that is sativa CBD.
Haha, I am thinking that if I have even two Mango Biche girls I will need even more CBD clones!

You could use your mineral ferts along with bat guano for N and seabird guano for P (no cooking needed). Then you could use Langbeinite for K, Mg, S (and not use epsom salt). Langbeinite is also called "K-Mag"... a very common fertilizer.

Very nice. I can probably do that.
Would I substitute in the bat guano 1:1 for blood meal?
I am not sure I have seabird guano but I can look for it.
Is Epsom Salt bad? Or is Langbeinite just better?
We are on extreme budget measures right now, so it would be better if I can use my existing stocks (and I have Epsom, and some Bat Guano).

Sorry, I lost track of what you are going to grow in cloth pots vs. wire raised beds.

Probably I will put the Mango Biche in raised beds, because I do not have any fabric 40G pots, and we are on extreme budget measures right now.

I'm not sure what all you have available to re-condition your 260 gal of super soil, but you could just mix it all together, goat manure, worm compost, maybe some filtered topsoil, etc. That's a lot of mixing! Makes me think of some kind of rotating drum that would hold 50 gal at a time. Good to re-hydrate it all, too, to activate the microbes. It would be great if you had access to coco coir blocks.

I think we can rent a cement mixer.
I plan to add Dude's version of Re-Charge.
I think I will do supersoil for all of the cloth pots, and then we can make goat-manure + worm casting + hard-supersoil-nutrients-with-substitutions for the Mango Biche (and they will probably love it).
The real goal with Mango Biche is to get at least one good clone mother.
I think we can put all of that together.
Haha, yeah, probably we will want a cement mixer!
That or a couple of dudes with shovels and mixing buckets...
(Usually I mix everything with a shovel and a mixing bucket, but not for 20 plants at once!)

 

[CBDMed]

The ones in the back, right side are flowering. Are you using night interruption lighting? Must do.

Yeah, sorry, those are re-veg.
They are holding up surprisingly well!
I think to plant a lot of the Peyote Wi-Fi CBD. "Earthy diesel" just sounds too good, and they smell just fabulous.
(Someone needs to make a men's cologne, haha!)

The ones in the back, left side are lacking nutrients. I would say in general you are leaving too much leaf on the cuttings. I'll take a photo of my clones so you can see what I mean. Do you see any roots coming out the bottom? That's what I cue on... when I see some roots out the bottom, I up-pot to 1 gal.

Yes, ok, I was not sure how much leaf to leave.
Those are the CBD Jam. I want to grow those for sure.
Would it help to change the pot style for those two, so that they sit in light nutes like the 3 in front?
(Only, some of the 3 in front do not look so great...)
It would really be great to keep the CBD Jam, as they say it is 2:1 CBD with a pineapple flavor (and pineapple seems to be those terpenes you are mentioning)...

I just did a light defoliation and trim today, but I could try another re-veg cutting if need be, because I do not want to lose the CBD Jam.

 

[cbdhemp808]

Good idea.
Thanks.

Yes, ok, sorry, I should have said, my site foreman and the contractor said they are interested to learn any advanced techniques.
They want to use drip irrigation.
I thought if I fill the cloth buckets with supersoil, and then put them in a plastic tub, then they can put their drippers, and we can basically do SWICK.

@013 said he would put the fabric pot directly in the water, and it worked, so actually I was thinking that I should try to imitate the factory SIP height, because with the factory GroTech SIP, when you fill the res, it wicks to about 2" under the surface of the soil.
So, I was thinking if the pot has a little height, then it should imitate the conditions of the SIP, meaning drier soil on top and wet soil on bottom (SWICK).
I also thought that since clones do not have tap roots, the feeder roots should not be adversely affected, since it will be drier near the top.
I hope I am explaining my idea well.
The reality is that I have existing fabric pots, and will probably just use those (and we can adjust the drippers as needed).



Super Lemon Haze is definitely on the list for the future! CBD Jam has pineapple flavors (no idea of the terpene profile).
The Mango Biche seeds are a little old, and they are regulars, so I have no idea how many of the 6 will come up, and how many will be males or females. (I tried that inspect-the-navel gendering thing again, but I will not be sure until we get there. Even if I did it all wrong, probably 3 males, 3 females.)
The goal is to get one good Mango Biche clone mother, and one good MB plant harvest, and anything else is gravy.

About pot size, I need to look up my plant heights.
Dr. Seedsman 30:1 says it caps out about 5 feet.
Candida says about the same height (5 feet).
If it is only 5 feet and it has a dripper, then maybe 5G would be big enough for each?
Or would 7G be better?
(If they are only 5 feet tall, then they do NOT need a 10G!!)

When I grew with supersoil before in 2016, you could get a nice 5-6 foot bush with a 5G.
I used 7G for moisture control, but 5G had all of the nutrients they needed.

Probably I need to plant ALL of my Dr. Seedsman clones, and the Candida girls, because I will need CBD to mix with the Mango Biche.

I will have to find out how tall the plants get, to plan pot size.
I could not find an expected height for CBD Jam, but probably a 7G would do for her also. 10G even. (15G would probably be excessive.)
So I need to research pot sizes.


Great ponderings.
The Candida came up 4 for 4, so that is indica CBD.
I have maybe 6 Dr. Seedsman 30:1 clones, so that is sativa CBD.
Haha, I am thinking that if I have even two Mango Biche girls I will need even more CBD clones!




Very nice. I can probably do that.
Would I substitute in the bat guano 1:1 for blood meal?
I am not sure I have seabird guano but I can look for it.
Is Epsom Salt bad? Or is Langbeinite just better?
We are on extreme budget measures right now, so it would be better if I can use my existing stocks (and I have Epsom, and some Bat Guano).


Probably I will put the Mango Biche in raised beds, because I do not have any fabric 40G pots, and we are on extreme budget measures right now.


I think we can rent a cement mixer.
I plan to add Dude's version of Re-Charge.
I think I will do supersoil for all of the cloth pots, and then we can make goat-manure + worm casting + hard-supersoil-nutrients-with-substitutions for the Mango Biche (and they will probably love it).
The real goal with Mango Biche is to get at least one good clone mother.
I think we can put all of that together.
Haha, yeah, probably we will want a cement mixer!
That or a couple of dudes with shovels and mixing buckets...
(Usually I mix everything with a shovel and a mixing bucket, but not for 20 plants at once!)

Quick reply... I'll reply more later...

Re: 5/7 gal vs 10 gal. I grew a lot in 5/7 gal and the difference with 10 gal was night and day. I highly recommend 10 gal. Now I am trying out 5gal SIP bucket instead of 10 gal.

 

[CBDMed]

Quick reply... I'll reply more later...

Re: 5/7 gal vs 10 gal. I grew a lot in 5/7 gal and the difference with 10 gal was night and day. I highly recommend 10 gal. Now I am trying out 5gal SIP bucket instead of 10 gal.

No, it is good. Thank you for that. If that is the case then I can put the small ones in 10 gallon and the hybrids in 15 gallon pots. So that means we will be heaping goat manure and warm castings for the Mango Biche, but that is perfect.

I've got to get get to sleep, early appointment in the morning.
Best of success with your SIP!

 

[InTheShed]

Or would 7G be better?
(If they are only 5 feet tall, then they do NOT need a 10G!!)

I've never had a plant get anywhere near 5' tall and my 3 footers completely fill a 7g cloth pot with roots and only 70 days veg.

The Candida came up 4 for 4, so that is indica CBD.

There are two phenos of Candida but I don't think the sativa version gets tall and rangy like a landrace would. Just taller buds and looser spacing I believe.

 

[CBDMed]

I've never had a plant get anywhere near 5' tall and my 3 footers completely fill a 7g cloth pot with roots and only 70 days veg.

Ok, 3 footers.

There are two phenos of Candida but I don't think the sativa version gets tall and rangy like a landrace would. Just taller buds and looser spacing I believe.

Ok, 7G for the Candida, then? Thanks, Shed!

(Wow, I wonder how many all-CBD bushes I will need to match up with one all-THC Mango Biche...)

 

[InTheShed]

Ok, 7G for the Candida, then? Thanks, Shed!

Depends on how long you're going to veg them so 10s might be ideal.

And my advice to anyone growing Candida is to keep thinning the middle (including all through flower) because they love to grow little bits down there. Take a look at the two BeezLuiz has going now and you'll see what I mean:
https://www.420magazine.com/community/threads/outdoor-growing-with-beezluiz.501264/post-6038869

 

[CBDMed]

Depends on how long you're going to veg them so 10s might be ideal.

And my advice to anyone growing Candida is to keep thinning the middle (including all through flower) because they love to grow little bits down there. Take a look at the two BeezLuiz has going now and you'll see what I mean:
https://www.420magazine.com/community/threads/outdoor-growing-with-beezluiz.501264/post-6038869

Oh! She has a 'frizz-do!

Yes, ok, 10g for all-CBD, ans 15G for the hybrids.
Goat-hoops for the all-THC monster sativas....

Thanks, Shed!