JiggiLotus
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Those are leaf hoppers. They come in different colors, they're not detrimental so you have nothing to worry about. 
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They can spread diseases, so I squish them every time I see them.Those are leaf hoppers. They come in different colors, they're not detrimental so you have nothing to worry about.
They look good GDB will you be up potting again into 5 gals?Hello all and Happy Sunday!
It's Day 49 for the Phase II clones and I'm trying to make things right for the Cosmic Lights clones. They continue to look grumpy but they live on.
Last night I topped off all of their pots with Roots Organics Lush soil. As I was doing so I was thinking that it's no surprise that the CLs, finicky as they are, have not reacted well to their transplants. Their little 2 gallon pots had lots of room for more soil on top. When I transplanted them I had not prepped enough soil and so I kinda' stretched out what I did have prepared to enable me to up-pot all 4 of the plants. My intention was to add more soil a few days later. I did not. Score 1 for the Lazy-Meter.
However, I dosed them all with the dry nutrients per what the schedule says for 2 gallons of soil, but I didn't have 2 gallons of soil in the pots. The result was some hot soil and the CL objected mightily. The Fat Kid's Cake clone (tan pot) said I don't give a shit, I can handle it!
The Lush soil is highly fortified and should support the CLs for a minute while allowing organic nutrients to kinda' cool down. That's my hope. I'm skipping the CL's bi-weekly feed of the dry nutes that's due today for all of the plants. Only the FKC will get fed.
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Stella enjoying her Sunday morning:
For me, a true newbie to outdoor growing, she's intriguing! I look forward to seeing how this story ends!
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I think what you've heard is true!
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Thanks for your interest.
PEACE
JiggiLotus
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I try, but they're usually faster than I am...
She looks good, but there's still something bothering her- those "convex" upper leaves seem to indicate a problem, but I'm not sure what it'd be..
I think her flowers will start looking a little more normal in about 2 weeks...once she figures out what's going on..
seaofgreen18
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Ive had that problem in the past with those kind of leaves,for me ,according to the soil test it was to many nitrates and a out of balanced soil.
I don't believe that plant is in flower yet, those are the pre flowers but seeings how it's struggling a bit its STRESSED out (by looking at those leaves).
They probably wont go full blown flower until the end of July or Aug, think about it ,harvest is usually way late sept or Oct sometimes even later just trying to help give you all some insights on why its weird looking at the top and what ive learned from my own experiences
I don't believe that plant is in flower yet, those are the pre flowers but seeings how it's struggling a bit its STRESSED out (by looking at those leaves).
They probably wont go full blown flower until the end of July or Aug, think about it ,harvest is usually way late sept or Oct sometimes even later just trying to help give you all some insights on why its weird looking at the top and what ive learned from my own experiences
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No con. That's their final pots.
I think maybe the best thing you can do with your CL clones is not give them to LB for his garden, since that one is home to leaf hoppers (three on one leaf...crazy!) and the yellow spots. Can't blame the weird flowering on him or his gas though.
Summary:
•Leafhopper feeding causes leaves to develop pale specks. Leaves and shoot tips fed upon by an abundance of leafhoppers may turn yellow then brown and curl and die. Leafhoppers also excrete honeydew on which blackish sooty mold grows. This can foul foliage, fruit, and surfaces underneath infested plants. As nymphs molt into the next (larger) instar, they leave whitish cast skins on the underside of foliage.
•Some leafhopper species transmit plant pathogens that cause plant disease. For example, glassy-winged sharpshooter and various other leafhoppers and sharpshooters vector the plant-pathogenic bacterium Xylella fastidiosa. This bacterium can cause lethal diseases in plant hosts, including almond leaf scorch, oleander leaf scorch, Pierce’s disease of grape, and other diseases that vary by the host plant and strain of X. fastidiosa.
That said:
•In most situations, leafhoppers are just an annoyance or curiosity and do not threaten plant survival. Generally, no control of them is needed in gardens and landscapes. Insecticide application in gardens and landscapes generally is not effective for preventing plant diseases vectored by leafhoppers because they can transmit the virus to a new host before the leafhoppers are killed by the insecticide.
If 2 gallons are the clones' final homes will you be waiting for them to recover before you flip? I just wondering how happy they'll be in flower in only 2 gallons of soil, even full to the brim. I'm sure they'll be fine but I hope I'm allowed to wonder anyway!
Summary:
•Leafhopper feeding causes leaves to develop pale specks. Leaves and shoot tips fed upon by an abundance of leafhoppers may turn yellow then brown and curl and die. Leafhoppers also excrete honeydew on which blackish sooty mold grows. This can foul foliage, fruit, and surfaces underneath infested plants. As nymphs molt into the next (larger) instar, they leave whitish cast skins on the underside of foliage.
•Some leafhopper species transmit plant pathogens that cause plant disease. For example, glassy-winged sharpshooter and various other leafhoppers and sharpshooters vector the plant-pathogenic bacterium Xylella fastidiosa. This bacterium can cause lethal diseases in plant hosts, including almond leaf scorch, oleander leaf scorch, Pierce’s disease of grape, and other diseases that vary by the host plant and strain of X. fastidiosa.
That said:
•In most situations, leafhoppers are just an annoyance or curiosity and do not threaten plant survival. Generally, no control of them is needed in gardens and landscapes. Insecticide application in gardens and landscapes generally is not effective for preventing plant diseases vectored by leafhoppers because they can transmit the virus to a new host before the leafhoppers are killed by the insecticide.
If 2 gallons are the clones' final homes will you be waiting for them to recover before you flip? I just wondering how happy they'll be in flower in only 2 gallons of soil, even full to the brim. I'm sure they'll be fine but I hope I'm allowed to wonder anyway!
seaofgreen18
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Its recommended by my garden experts that 5 gal containers min for a full cycle round but that's water only LOS and not written in stone
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Hello all.
Well I've committed yet another faux pas and this time the victim is Stella.
When I posted this pic of her on Sunday I noticed some blemishes (circled) but I dismissed them as being too minor to fret over.
By yesterday, those blemishes had progressed to these blemishes:
On the upper leaf:
And on the lower leaves:
Prior to taking that Sunday pic I had fed Stella -- I believe on Thursday. It was the first time she had been fed in a while (more than a week). I think that feed is what screwed her up!
I'm really hoping it's a case of my Lazy-Meter sticking it to me again. I had about 2 liters of FOOP mixed from her previous feed. But rather than pH the solution before giving it to the plant I just shook the bottle and poured it right in. FOOP warns about pHing to between 6.2 & 6.4 prior to feeding plants. It says that otherwise one risks damaging their plant. I knew that bottle of nutes had sat for more than a week and I knew that sitting solutions often drift away from the pH they were when first mixed. But I believe my Lazy-Meter, in conjunction with my Olfactory-Meter, colluded to convince me to just go ahead and pour 'em in. (I mention my Olfactory-Meter because these damn FOOP nutrients stink to high heaven, like a eau de Outhouse concentrate or something.)
So I didn't want to smell that crap for any longer than I had to. It made skipping checking the pH seem like a reasonable thing to do. Hell, it's bad enough just to endure removing the bottle cap and pouring it on the plant. This stuff is way funkier than any song James Brown or George Clinton ever created.
That's how I think I got here.
Yesterday evening I flushed her -- really flushed her. I let her sit overnight and then this morning I gave her a liter of freshly mixed FOOP, pHed to 6.3.
The remote Cosmic Lights and now Stella. I'm thinking I should have stayed my ass inside!
But wait, inside I've got the 3 CL clones in my basement tent also being fussy.
Maybe I should have stayed inside and upstairs!
No matter. I used to be an avid baseball player many years ago and now I'm an avid golfer. Both sports conditioned me over many years to not only to expect but to accept failures, and keeping pushing forward.
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Thanks for looking.
PEACE
Well I've committed yet another faux pas and this time the victim is Stella.
When I posted this pic of her on Sunday I noticed some blemishes (circled) but I dismissed them as being too minor to fret over.
By yesterday, those blemishes had progressed to these blemishes:
On the upper leaf:
And on the lower leaves:
Prior to taking that Sunday pic I had fed Stella -- I believe on Thursday. It was the first time she had been fed in a while (more than a week). I think that feed is what screwed her up!
I'm really hoping it's a case of my Lazy-Meter sticking it to me again. I had about 2 liters of FOOP mixed from her previous feed. But rather than pH the solution before giving it to the plant I just shook the bottle and poured it right in. FOOP warns about pHing to between 6.2 & 6.4 prior to feeding plants. It says that otherwise one risks damaging their plant. I knew that bottle of nutes had sat for more than a week and I knew that sitting solutions often drift away from the pH they were when first mixed. But I believe my Lazy-Meter, in conjunction with my Olfactory-Meter, colluded to convince me to just go ahead and pour 'em in. (I mention my Olfactory-Meter because these damn FOOP nutrients stink to high heaven, like a eau de Outhouse concentrate or something.)
So I didn't want to smell that crap for any longer than I had to. It made skipping checking the pH seem like a reasonable thing to do. Hell, it's bad enough just to endure removing the bottle cap and pouring it on the plant. This stuff is way funkier than any song James Brown or George Clinton ever created.
That's how I think I got here.
Yesterday evening I flushed her -- really flushed her. I let her sit overnight and then this morning I gave her a liter of freshly mixed FOOP, pHed to 6.3.
The remote Cosmic Lights and now Stella. I'm thinking I should have stayed my ass inside!
But wait, inside I've got the 3 CL clones in my basement tent also being fussy.
Maybe I should have stayed inside and upstairs!
No matter. I used to be an avid baseball player many years ago and now I'm an avid golfer. Both sports conditioned me over many years to not only to expect but to accept failures, and keeping pushing forward.
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Thanks for looking.
PEACE
We had a saying way back. Always forward, never straight! The never straight part was you were either a stoner or not,. straight or not. We were Always Forward! 
Your altitude is commendable!
Your altitude is commendable!
That sucks hopefully the flush sets em straightHello all.
Well I've committed yet another faux pas and this time the victim is Stella.
When I posted this pic of her on Sunday I noticed some blemishes (circled) but I dismissed them as being too minor to fret over.
By yesterday, those blemishes had progressed to these blemishes:
On the upper leaf:
And on the lower leaves:
Prior to taking that Sunday pic I had fed Stella -- I believe on Thursday. It was the first time she had been fed in a while (more than a week). I think that feed is what screwed her up!
I'm really hoping it's a case of my Lazy-Meter sticking it to me again. I had about 2 liters of FOOP mixed from her previous feed. But rather than pH the solution before giving it to the plant I just shook the bottle and poured it right in. FOOP warns about pHing to between 6.2 & 6.4 prior to feeding plants. It says that otherwise one risks damaging their plant. I knew that bottle of nutes had sat for more than a week and I knew that sitting solutions often drift away from the pH they were when first mixed. But I believe my Lazy-Meter, in conjunction with my Olfactory-Meter, colluded to convince me to just go ahead and pour 'em in. (I mention my Olfactory-Meter because these damn FOOP nutrients stink to high heaven, like a eau de Outhouse concentrate or something.)
So I didn't want to smell that crap for any longer than I had to. It made skipping checking the pH seem like a reasonable thing to do. Hell, it's bad enough just to endure removing the bottle cap and pouring it on the plant. This stuff is way funkier than any song James Brown or George Clinton ever created.
That's how I think I got here.
Yesterday evening I flushed her -- really flushed her. I let her sit overnight and then this morning I gave her a liter of freshly mixed FOOP, pHed to 6.3.
The remote Cosmic Lights and now Stella. I'm thinking I should have stayed my ass inside!
But wait, inside I've got the 3 CL clones in my basement tent also being fussy.
Maybe I should have stayed inside and upstairs!
No matter. I used to be an avid baseball player many years ago and now I'm an avid golfer. Both sports conditioned me over many years to not only to expect but to accept failures, and keeping pushing forward.
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Thanks for looking.
PEACE
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Hello all.
I've been trying to make a decision on how to proceed with the clones. I'm not crazy about my new plan but I've got my reason for deciding to go this route.
First a little background.
These clones have been in soil for 53 days. There are 3x Cosmic Lights and 1x Fat Kid's Cake. When I transplanted them from solo cup to 2 gallon pots my intention was to flower them briefly and then flip and finish them in the 2 gallon pots. Having no need for a large haul, my aim was to to get them done quickly and get them out of the way. (I'm excited about getting my next grow started and need the tent space.)
When transplanted all were started on Roots Organic dry nutrients, top-fed at 2 tps. per gallon of soil. Soon thereafter, the leaf tips on the CL plants curled severely downward and have remained that way since. The FKC plant (tan pot below) never complained about the nutes and remains healthy looking to this day.
Yesterday morning I flushed the 3 CL plants. I was hoping to see just some "slight" change in them by this morning, but no such luck.
So my COP (change of plans) is to transplant all four of the clones to larger pots. I'll probably only go up to 3 gallons because I still don't want them to be too large.
The FKC will continue on the Roots Organic nutes.
The CLs will be getting water only for the next week along with a bit of Recharge. The additional layer of Lush soil should be enough for them for now, and I'd really like to see some change in those curled leaves before I start feeding her again. When I start feeding them again I'm leaning on using Strive nutrients to try and bring them home. IMO, the Strive nutes are good at finishing plants.
As I said earlier, I'm not crazy about this plan. It extends the grow by at least 2 weeks, maybe 3. But it's my last chance to grow my beloved Cosmic Lights! My last seed was used for this grow and there are no more to be had, as it's a discontinued strain. I had been counting on the remote CL at LB's place to provide a boatload of it, but when I take off my rose-colored glasses I'm of a mind that maybe that's not gonna' happen.
So these three CL clones is all that's left. I'm not taking cuttings from any of the clones. It ain't that kinda' beloved!
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Stella's condition, on her Day 53, seems to be getting worse. I'll post some pics of how she looks tomorrow. I'm not trying to go there today!
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Thanks for taking a look.
PEACE
I've been trying to make a decision on how to proceed with the clones. I'm not crazy about my new plan but I've got my reason for deciding to go this route.
First a little background.
These clones have been in soil for 53 days. There are 3x Cosmic Lights and 1x Fat Kid's Cake. When I transplanted them from solo cup to 2 gallon pots my intention was to flower them briefly and then flip and finish them in the 2 gallon pots. Having no need for a large haul, my aim was to to get them done quickly and get them out of the way. (I'm excited about getting my next grow started and need the tent space.)
When transplanted all were started on Roots Organic dry nutrients, top-fed at 2 tps. per gallon of soil. Soon thereafter, the leaf tips on the CL plants curled severely downward and have remained that way since. The FKC plant (tan pot below) never complained about the nutes and remains healthy looking to this day.
Yesterday morning I flushed the 3 CL plants. I was hoping to see just some "slight" change in them by this morning, but no such luck.
So my COP (change of plans) is to transplant all four of the clones to larger pots. I'll probably only go up to 3 gallons because I still don't want them to be too large.
The FKC will continue on the Roots Organic nutes.
The CLs will be getting water only for the next week along with a bit of Recharge. The additional layer of Lush soil should be enough for them for now, and I'd really like to see some change in those curled leaves before I start feeding her again. When I start feeding them again I'm leaning on using Strive nutrients to try and bring them home. IMO, the Strive nutes are good at finishing plants.
As I said earlier, I'm not crazy about this plan. It extends the grow by at least 2 weeks, maybe 3. But it's my last chance to grow my beloved Cosmic Lights! My last seed was used for this grow and there are no more to be had, as it's a discontinued strain. I had been counting on the remote CL at LB's place to provide a boatload of it, but when I take off my rose-colored glasses I'm of a mind that maybe that's not gonna' happen.
So these three CL clones is all that's left. I'm not taking cuttings from any of the clones. It ain't that kinda' beloved!
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Stella's condition, on her Day 53, seems to be getting worse. I'll post some pics of how she looks tomorrow. I'm not trying to go there today!
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Yes, wonder away! I alway wonder too when I see some of the plants @Cola Monster grows in solo cups.
I'd like to use 5gals or even 7, SOG. But it ain't happening!Its recommended by my garden experts that 5 gal containers min for a full cycle round but that's water only LOS and not written in stone
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Thanks for taking a look.
PEACE
I wonder if there are any other NL#5 x G13 crosses?
Maybe that would be similar to Cosmic Lights, depending on how much pheno hunting and stabilization went into the original.
Maybe that would be similar to Cosmic Lights, depending on how much pheno hunting and stabilization went into the original.
I've got a similar situation on my sip girl- so far, I've chosen not to worry about it, and it's staying about the same- only 2 leaves are affected so far-one at the bottom, and one halfway up the plant..
I think she's going to outgrow it, but time will tell...
Are those clones from your buddy's Cosmic Lights?
Their leaves are doing exactly what your buddy's plant is doing...
Seems like it may not be nute-related, might just be something with the plant.?..
That plant's a hard one to please...
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Hello gang.
Stella is still standing on her Day 54.
The discoloration that started on two sets of leaves has spread to several other leaves, but not yet all of her leaves. I'm probably being too optimistic, but it looks like it may have stopped spreading. Time will tell.
It's become difficult for me to be excited about this grow. IMO, I'm doing well not to have chopped her down and trashed her by now!
That's her story for today.
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Hard to please indeed.
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Thanks for taking a peek.
PEACE
Stella is still standing on her Day 54.
The discoloration that started on two sets of leaves has spread to several other leaves, but not yet all of her leaves. I'm probably being too optimistic, but it looks like it may have stopped spreading. Time will tell.
It's become difficult for me to be excited about this grow. IMO, I'm doing well not to have chopped her down and trashed her by now!
That's her story for today.
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I don't know Mel. And I don't care!
Yes they are Carcass, and I had not even noticed the similarities!Are those clones from your buddy's Cosmic Lights?
Their leaves are doing exactly what your buddy's plant is doing...
Seems like it may not be nute-related, might just be something with the plant.?..
That plant's a hard one to please...
Hard to please indeed.
I hope you're right about her growing out of it. However, my plants never copy what yours do. At least I haven't had one mimic yours yet.
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Thanks for taking a peek.
PEACE
seaofgreen18
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Howdy GDB,it Looks as if the issues are starting @ the bottom of the plant and to be frank it should be farther along than it is.! Dont give up the ship though,you'll get a little off it and give it some thought on what you planted her in, is ph good, where you put her for sunlight,how much water she gets,root health and A IPM which is really CRITICAL for a successful outside grow because of the bug and pathogen pressure out there not to mention way more stress than inside and so on so when next year rolls around you'll be ready for an outdoors grow! So take this season as a learning season and grow from there , maybe experiment a little with it weather it be a good or bad outcome you can learn something from it!
Like tge Germans at my old company used to say " Learning by doing!"
Nothing like an almost free bunch of herb to put in the stash is how I look @ growing outside its WORTH it's cheap on electric and it can buy you some time to refine your indoor grow for MORE efficiency and sustainability! Have a GREAT day!
Like tge Germans at my old company used to say " Learning by doing!"
Nothing like an almost free bunch of herb to put in the stash is how I look @ growing outside its WORTH it's cheap on electric and it can buy you some time to refine your indoor grow for MORE efficiency and sustainability! Have a GREAT day!
Chef Theo
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My lazy meter runs high as being in soil I never PH. Use distilled water with my TPS nutrients & that’s a wrap!Hello all.
Well I've committed yet another faux pas and this time the victim is Stella.
When I posted this pic of her on Sunday I noticed some blemishes (circled) but I dismissed them as being too minor to fret over.
By yesterday, those blemishes had progressed to these blemishes:
On the upper leaf:
And on the lower leaves:
Prior to taking that Sunday pic I had fed Stella -- I believe on Thursday. It was the first time she had been fed in a while (more than a week). I think that feed is what screwed her up!
I'm really hoping it's a case of my Lazy-Meter sticking it to me again. I had about 2 liters of FOOP mixed from her previous feed. But rather than pH the solution before giving it to the plant I just shook the bottle and poured it right in. FOOP warns about pHing to between 6.2 & 6.4 prior to feeding plants. It says that otherwise one risks damaging their plant. I knew that bottle of nutes had sat for more than a week and I knew that sitting solutions often drift away from the pH they were when first mixed. But I believe my Lazy-Meter, in conjunction with my Olfactory-Meter, colluded to convince me to just go ahead and pour 'em in. (I mention my Olfactory-Meter because these damn FOOP nutrients stink to high heaven, like a eau de Outhouse concentrate or something.)
So I didn't want to smell that crap for any longer than I had to. It made skipping checking the pH seem like a reasonable thing to do. Hell, it's bad enough just to endure removing the bottle cap and pouring it on the plant. This stuff is way funkier than any song James Brown or George Clinton ever created.
That's how I think I got here.
Yesterday evening I flushed her -- really flushed her. I let her sit overnight and then this morning I gave her a liter of freshly mixed FOOP, pHed to 6.3.
The remote Cosmic Lights and now Stella. I'm thinking I should have stayed my ass inside!
But wait, inside I've got the 3 CL clones in my basement tent also being fussy.
Maybe I should have stayed inside and upstairs!
No matter. I used to be an avid baseball player many years ago and now I'm an avid golfer. Both sports conditioned me over many years to not only to expect but to accept failures, and keeping pushing forward.
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Thanks for looking.
PEACE
Update= some Trizkit auto buds 10th week.
A couple of burned edges and the rest of the plant looks stellar! What's not to love?
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I appreciate the kind words SOG. But unless my neighbor gets some branches trimmed from that big tree in their backyard (and that ain't gonna' happen - they're renting) then I won't be trying another outdoor grow in my backyard. I simply don't get enough sunshine.Howdy GDB,it Looks as if the issues are starting @ the bottom of the plant and to be frank it should be farther along than it is.! Dont give up the ship though,you'll get a little off it and give it some thought on what you planted her in, is ph good, where you put her for sunlight,how much water she gets,root health and A IPM which is really CRITICAL for a successful outside grow because of the bug and pathogen pressure out there not to mention way more stress than inside and so on so when next year rolls around you'll be ready for an outdoors grow! So take this season as a learning season and grow from there , maybe experiment a little with it weather it be a good or bad outcome you can learn something from it!
Like tge Germans at my old company used to say " Learning by doing!"
Nothing like an almost free bunch of herb to put in the stash is how I look @ growing outside its WORTH it's cheap on electric and it can buy you some time to refine your indoor grow for MORE efficiency and sustainability! Have a
GREAT day!
I agree with all that you say, especially the part about this being a "learning season." But the learning started early and one of the first things I "learned" is that I need more sunshine.