Dankman_420
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Soon I'll have enough cash to set up a 4 x 4 in my new place. Do you think I could run a single bubble bucket along with a copy of pots of soil. Maybe I'll try one to see how I do with it
G4-QB132 x12 RDWC 6x Jack Herer 4x4
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vyserage
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if you are growing a sativa strain, you could fill out that 4x4 with 3 5gal buckets if trained correctly to grow wide. Its what i've been considering trying in my 4x8 but money's so tight for me right now that i cant buy upgrades and pay off debt + take the new girlfriend out on fun dates lol. So i have to just not buy more led panels for a while haha.
If you are doing just a single strain in the middle of the 4x4, definitely go with a sativa so it spreads out more. Whats nice with sativa's is you can really train them out horizontally by manipulating the light to be further away so it causes more stretch and gives you that length you need for bending outwards. Thats basically what happend with my last grow with the mars 2 1600 light, it was never close enough (was my first grow with the light) and it really caused some intense stretching but in the end i got an amazing yield from 3 out of the 6 rdwc plants where the other 3 failed miserably but were trumped by the 3 that succeeded cause they filled out so amazingly.
what do you mean by "with a copy of pots of soil"?
I definitely recommend getting the great white as you've seen what it did to my roots lol.
If you are doing just a single strain in the middle of the 4x4, definitely go with a sativa so it spreads out more. Whats nice with sativa's is you can really train them out horizontally by manipulating the light to be further away so it causes more stretch and gives you that length you need for bending outwards. Thats basically what happend with my last grow with the mars 2 1600 light, it was never close enough (was my first grow with the light) and it really caused some intense stretching but in the end i got an amazing yield from 3 out of the 6 rdwc plants where the other 3 failed miserably but were trumped by the 3 that succeeded cause they filled out so amazingly.
what do you mean by "with a copy of pots of soil"?
I definitely recommend getting the great white as you've seen what it did to my roots lol.
Dankman_420
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Haha, spell check. I meant with a couple of soil pots. I can't give up on soil because I know I can produce what I need with it. Maybe I'll run one bubble bucket and two in soil together in same tent
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vyserage
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oh ya you can easily run 1 hydro and 2 soil in a 4x4. Its all about that light placement.
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vyserage
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the hydro will outperform the soil and quickly so you will have to stay on top of it by topping it multiple times to make it stay low and with same height as the soil (if you are going for an even canopy)
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F-Day 1:
*ph=6.25, PPM=?
*Added 3/4ths TBS ph-down.
F-Day 2: 12-08
*Ph=5.93, PPM=1050
*Added 3g water (water line not hooked up yet, i actually dont mind manually filling so i can see how much they drink each 24hrs and which way the ph is flowing)
*Added 1TBS calmag, 1 tsp ph-down
F-Day 3:
*Ph=5.84, PPM=974
*Still seeing small amounts of yellowing + calcium blotches. On upper and lower leafs.
*Added 2g water, 1 TBS calmag, 2 tsp HG.
F-Day 5:
*Ph=5.30's, PPM=900's
*Added 5G water, 2 TBS calmag, 2 tsp HG, 3G nutes.
F-Day 6:
*Ph=6.04, PPM=882
*Added 2 1/2g water, 1 TBS calmag, 3G nutes, 1 tsp ph-down.
F-Day 7:
*Ph=6.07, PPM=930's
*Added 1 1/2G water, tsp HG.
F-Day 8:
*Ph=6.22, PPM=866
*Added 2G water, 2 tsp calmag, 4G nutes, 1 tsp HG, 1 TBS ph-down.
F-Day 9:
*Ph=5.82, PPM=911
*Added 2G water, 2 tsp calmag, 1 tsp HG.
F-Day 10:
*Ph=6.06, PPM=840's
*Added 2 1/2g water, 3G nutes, 3 tsp calmag, 1 tsp HG.
*Heavily defoliated P1 & P2.
*Found some brown spots on some leaves. Possible magnified spots from leafs sweating? They have had plenty of sweat on them as of late.
F-Day 11: 12/17
*Ph=6.26, PPM=882
*Heavily defoliated P3/P4/P5/P6.
*Added 2G water, 1 tsp HG, 1 TBS calmag, 2 tsp ArmorSi, 2G nutes, 1 TBS ph-down.
Everything is coming along nicely since the rez water change. There were a couple of leaf's i noticed from plant #6 (back right side corner plant) that had clear magnesium and calcium dmg to half of one of its fingers but it was the only one of its kind. There were mildly hit magnesium signs on a few leafs out of the 100's i clipped lol, but literally only like 4 or 5 total and from different plants. This could be because f-day 2 through 7 it never hit 6.2 ph. It hit it for 1 day on fday8 but then right back down again until today it finally got some 6.2 to 6.27 before i ph'd back down. Who knows, not a huge concern for me unless its widespread and so far it isnt. I'll continue to keep my eyes on the smaller growth now that its been so heavily defoliated. Happy growing people!
*ph=6.25, PPM=?
*Added 3/4ths TBS ph-down.
F-Day 2: 12-08
*Ph=5.93, PPM=1050
*Added 3g water (water line not hooked up yet, i actually dont mind manually filling so i can see how much they drink each 24hrs and which way the ph is flowing)
*Added 1TBS calmag, 1 tsp ph-down
F-Day 3:
*Ph=5.84, PPM=974
*Still seeing small amounts of yellowing + calcium blotches. On upper and lower leafs.
*Added 2g water, 1 TBS calmag, 2 tsp HG.
F-Day 5:
*Ph=5.30's, PPM=900's
*Added 5G water, 2 TBS calmag, 2 tsp HG, 3G nutes.
F-Day 6:
*Ph=6.04, PPM=882
*Added 2 1/2g water, 1 TBS calmag, 3G nutes, 1 tsp ph-down.
F-Day 7:
*Ph=6.07, PPM=930's
*Added 1 1/2G water, tsp HG.
F-Day 8:
*Ph=6.22, PPM=866
*Added 2G water, 2 tsp calmag, 4G nutes, 1 tsp HG, 1 TBS ph-down.
F-Day 9:
*Ph=5.82, PPM=911
*Added 2G water, 2 tsp calmag, 1 tsp HG.
F-Day 10:
*Ph=6.06, PPM=840's
*Added 2 1/2g water, 3G nutes, 3 tsp calmag, 1 tsp HG.
*Heavily defoliated P1 & P2.
*Found some brown spots on some leaves. Possible magnified spots from leafs sweating? They have had plenty of sweat on them as of late.
F-Day 11: 12/17
*Ph=6.26, PPM=882
*Heavily defoliated P3/P4/P5/P6.
*Added 2G water, 1 tsp HG, 1 TBS calmag, 2 tsp ArmorSi, 2G nutes, 1 TBS ph-down.
Everything is coming along nicely since the rez water change. There were a couple of leaf's i noticed from plant #6 (back right side corner plant) that had clear magnesium and calcium dmg to half of one of its fingers but it was the only one of its kind. There were mildly hit magnesium signs on a few leafs out of the 100's i clipped lol, but literally only like 4 or 5 total and from different plants. This could be because f-day 2 through 7 it never hit 6.2 ph. It hit it for 1 day on fday8 but then right back down again until today it finally got some 6.2 to 6.27 before i ph'd back down. Who knows, not a huge concern for me unless its widespread and so far it isnt. I'll continue to keep my eyes on the smaller growth now that its been so heavily defoliated. Happy growing people!
Vys - So far so good with the recharge in dwc, here’s what it does to root color after 3 days. I’ll only be going heavier in the future so I expect darker results to come
one unexpected outcome is I think the cocoa smell neutralizes the typical nutrient smell. My room went from smelling like a hydro shop to being very odor neutral. Weird.- Thread starter
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vyserage
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ill get an update in when i get back from work tomorrow 5am. So far so good! They are all lookin great!
sativuhhh
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Awesome journal!! I'm following with 2 jack's and using the trio and most all of the same nutes as well just 2 weeks or so behind. Those are some serious plants you have built up!!
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vyserage
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Thanks, my only complaint is how compact they are in the middle haha
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vyserage
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F-Day 13:
*Ph=5.78
*Added 2G water, 1 TBS calmag.
F-Day 14:
*Ph=6.03, PPM=1020's
*Added 3G water, 1 TBS calmag, 1 tsp HG, 2G nutes.
*Raised light an inch or 2.
F-Day 15:
*Ph=6.20, PPM=990's
*Added 2G water, 2 tsp calmag, 1 tsp HG, 2 tsp ArmorSi, 1 TBS ph-down.
F-Day 16:
*Ph=6.02
*Added 2G water.
F-Day 18:
*Added 3G water, 3G nutes, 1 TBS calmag, 1 TBS ph-down.
F-day 19:
*Ph=5.71, PPM=1050's
*Added 3G water, 1 TBS ArmorSi, 1 tsp Ph-down, 1 TBS calmag, 2 tsp HG.
F-Day 20:
*Ph=5.98, PPM=1019
F-Day 21:
*Rez change complete.
*Added Mid-Bloom nutes, HG, BigBud, BudCandy, Calmag, Floralicious (sample), ArmorSi and 8 TBS ph-down.
*Heavy defoliation started on P1/P2/P3/P5 (P1 = left front plant).
*Power raised to 250w/Row.
Plant below = Green Love Potion (Rated good for Parkinson's)
*Ph=5.78
*Added 2G water, 1 TBS calmag.
F-Day 14:
*Ph=6.03, PPM=1020's
*Added 3G water, 1 TBS calmag, 1 tsp HG, 2G nutes.
*Raised light an inch or 2.
F-Day 15:
*Ph=6.20, PPM=990's
*Added 2G water, 2 tsp calmag, 1 tsp HG, 2 tsp ArmorSi, 1 TBS ph-down.
F-Day 16:
*Ph=6.02
*Added 2G water.
F-Day 18:
*Added 3G water, 3G nutes, 1 TBS calmag, 1 TBS ph-down.
F-day 19:
*Ph=5.71, PPM=1050's
*Added 3G water, 1 TBS ArmorSi, 1 tsp Ph-down, 1 TBS calmag, 2 tsp HG.
F-Day 20:
*Ph=5.98, PPM=1019
F-Day 21:
*Rez change complete.
*Added Mid-Bloom nutes, HG, BigBud, BudCandy, Calmag, Floralicious (sample), ArmorSi and 8 TBS ph-down.
*Heavy defoliation started on P1/P2/P3/P5 (P1 = left front plant).
*Power raised to 250w/Row.
Plant below = Green Love Potion (Rated good for Parkinson's)
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vyserage
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F-Day 22:
*Ph=6.10, PPM=1470's
*Added 1 TBS ph-down.
F-Day 23: 12-29-18
*Ph=5.49, PPM=1450's
*Added 3G water, 1 TBS BC & BB, 1 1/2 tsp HG, 3 Scoops Great White.
F-Day 24:
*Ph=5.57, PPM=1360's
*Added 2G water, 1 tsp of: Calmag, ArmorSi, HG. 2 tsp of: BB & BC.
*Added 1 tsp Floralicious (sample bottle)
*Am pretty sure the reason my roots have begun to darken is due to the Floralicious.
F-Day 27:
*Ph=4.98, PPM=1150's
*Added 3G water, 1 TBS of: BB & BC. 2 TBS Ph-Up.
F-Day 28: 1/3/19
*Ph=6.39, PPM=953
*Added 3G water, 3G nutes, 1 TBS ph-down.
So here they are as of today! All in great shape. They are still a bit bushy and very shaded down below so imthinking of doing another heavy defoliation next chance i get. I really hope i can cut off enough leafs to get a little light shining down so i know its good but given how compact they are its hard to do that without cutting off all of its bigger leafs. I feel like it would be left with mostly sugar leafs and hardly any fan leafs haha. Either way i think the yield should be decent.
What do you guys think? Another heavy defoliation due?
*Ph=6.10, PPM=1470's
*Added 1 TBS ph-down.
F-Day 23: 12-29-18
*Ph=5.49, PPM=1450's
*Added 3G water, 1 TBS BC & BB, 1 1/2 tsp HG, 3 Scoops Great White.
F-Day 24:
*Ph=5.57, PPM=1360's
*Added 2G water, 1 tsp of: Calmag, ArmorSi, HG. 2 tsp of: BB & BC.
*Added 1 tsp Floralicious (sample bottle)
*Am pretty sure the reason my roots have begun to darken is due to the Floralicious.
F-Day 27:
*Ph=4.98, PPM=1150's
*Added 3G water, 1 TBS of: BB & BC. 2 TBS Ph-Up.
F-Day 28: 1/3/19
*Ph=6.39, PPM=953
*Added 3G water, 3G nutes, 1 TBS ph-down.
So here they are as of today! All in great shape. They are still a bit bushy and very shaded down below so imthinking of doing another heavy defoliation next chance i get. I really hope i can cut off enough leafs to get a little light shining down so i know its good but given how compact they are its hard to do that without cutting off all of its bigger leafs. I feel like it would be left with mostly sugar leafs and hardly any fan leafs haha. Either way i think the yield should be decent.
What do you guys think? Another heavy defoliation due?
Dankman_420
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One more round of defoil. They are looking great! Going to yeild well
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vyserage
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I spent over an hour giving Plant #1 a VERY heavy defoliation. Big leaves, small leaves, upper leaves, you name it, cut off a shit ton. Plan to do this again to P2 and P3 later tonight when lights on at 11pm. Light is finally reaching deep in there as you can see, and im very happy with that. Hopefully she handles it well.
sativuhhh
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How have they been since that big trim?
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vyserage
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Very interesting, i was actually planning to do a log update and video update tonight when i get back home (Tomorrow early morning)
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vyserage
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F-Day 30:
*Ph=6.15, PPM=960's
*Added 1G water, 3G nutes, 1 TBS HG.
F-Day 31:
*Ph=6.16, PPM=1040's
*Added 2G water, 1 TBS of: BB, BC, Calimagic, HG.
*VERY Heavily defoliated P1
F-Day 32:
*Ph=6.34, PPM=980
*Added 2G water, 2 TBS ph-down.
*Heavily defoliated P2 & medium defoliated P4.
*Very Lightly defoliated P6. - It has the biggest buds.
F-Day 34:
*Ph=5.49
*Added 3G water, 3G Nutes, 1 TBS calimagic, HG. 1 tsp ph-up.
*Lightly defoliated P3, P5, P6
*Note
6 which has been the least defoliated has the biggest buds.
F=Day 35:
*Ph=6.20, PPM=1010's
*Added 3G water, 2 TBS: BB & BC, Calmag, 1 TBS ph-down.
F-Day 36:
*Ph=5.73
*Added 2G water, 3G nutes.
F-Day 37: 1-12-19
*Ph=6.07, PPM=1070's
*Added 2G water, 2 tsp BB & BC, 1 TBS Calmag, 1 tsp Floralicious.
*Very lightly defoliated all plants minus P1. Just 5-10 leaves from each plant or so.
*Raised light wattage from 250/row to 300/row.
VIDEO: If you don't want to watch the video, basically im just showcasing everything and explaining how Plant #6 (back right corner) has the biggest buds of them all and was the least defoliated as an experiment where as P1 = the most defoliated and has the smallest buds, followed by each plant in order being less defoliated and having bigger buds up top. This could be because i did a medium to somewhat heavy defoliation day 21 on P1 through 5 and it wasn't adequate(heavy) enough so i ended up doing more defoliation's on day 30+ which could have easily been the cause of the bud stunt where P6 didn't get the stunt thus has the biggest buds. Who knows, P1 may yield more due to medium to large nugs all the way down the plant where the others have more popcorn towards bottom due to less defoliation. Next time i grow this strain ill need to make sure to do the defoliation exactly on time (A day before flip and again on f-day 21) as well as leave a single one untouched after f-day and see how the results go.
One things for sure, i definitely love the penetration of these quantum board
Even the completely shaded stuff has a very acceptable amount of pistols so they will be decent little buds.
*Ph=6.15, PPM=960's
*Added 1G water, 3G nutes, 1 TBS HG.
F-Day 31:
*Ph=6.16, PPM=1040's
*Added 2G water, 1 TBS of: BB, BC, Calimagic, HG.
*VERY Heavily defoliated P1
F-Day 32:
*Ph=6.34, PPM=980
*Added 2G water, 2 TBS ph-down.
*Heavily defoliated P2 & medium defoliated P4.
*Very Lightly defoliated P6. - It has the biggest buds.
F-Day 34:
*Ph=5.49
*Added 3G water, 3G Nutes, 1 TBS calimagic, HG. 1 tsp ph-up.
*Lightly defoliated P3, P5, P6
*Note
6 which has been the least defoliated has the biggest buds.F=Day 35:
*Ph=6.20, PPM=1010's
*Added 3G water, 2 TBS: BB & BC, Calmag, 1 TBS ph-down.
F-Day 36:
*Ph=5.73
*Added 2G water, 3G nutes.
F-Day 37: 1-12-19
*Ph=6.07, PPM=1070's
*Added 2G water, 2 tsp BB & BC, 1 TBS Calmag, 1 tsp Floralicious.
*Very lightly defoliated all plants minus P1. Just 5-10 leaves from each plant or so.
*Raised light wattage from 250/row to 300/row.
VIDEO: If you don't want to watch the video, basically im just showcasing everything and explaining how Plant #6 (back right corner) has the biggest buds of them all and was the least defoliated as an experiment where as P1 = the most defoliated and has the smallest buds, followed by each plant in order being less defoliated and having bigger buds up top. This could be because i did a medium to somewhat heavy defoliation day 21 on P1 through 5 and it wasn't adequate(heavy) enough so i ended up doing more defoliation's on day 30+ which could have easily been the cause of the bud stunt where P6 didn't get the stunt thus has the biggest buds. Who knows, P1 may yield more due to medium to large nugs all the way down the plant where the others have more popcorn towards bottom due to less defoliation. Next time i grow this strain ill need to make sure to do the defoliation exactly on time (A day before flip and again on f-day 21) as well as leave a single one untouched after f-day and see how the results go.
One things for sure, i definitely love the penetration of these quantum board
Even the completely shaded stuff has a very acceptable amount of pistols so they will be decent little buds.