G4-QB132 x12 RDWC 6x Jack Herer 4x4

So you think after this then that 21 day heavy defol is still the way to go? I did a light defol on my jack's at day f7, doing none till 21 seems like it'll be out of control, but I guess it looks like they still do well with all the leaves. Appreciate the videos too, that really helps give better perspective than pics alone!
 
So you think after this then that 21 day heavy defol is still the way to go? I did a light defol on my jack's at day f7, doing none till 21 seems like it'll be out of control, but I guess it looks like they still do well with all the leaves. Appreciate the videos too, that really helps give better perspective than pics alone!
Absolutely, if there is anything i've learned, its most definitely that defoliation in heavy doses at specific times does amazing, where light defoliation (a few leaves every couple days) also doesn't seem to hurt. Doing a heavy defoliation after day 21 however seems to harshly impact bud development in its critical time of bulking up.

At day 21 the stretch is over and the buds are all still tiny so this is when you should go in and not be afraid to chop off many of the leaves no matter the size. As long as you can look through it and see stem's and light getting through, you will get amazing growth. All the remaining leaves will fill out and get bigger so no worries there! Now there are exceptions to this rule that ive found and that is some strains hate defoliation so i always like to leave 1 of the plants very lightly defoliated to see how it reacts so i can better learn each strain i grow and have these logs to remember. In this case i messed up by doing a defoliation on day 30 and 32 for the rest, that was WAY too late in flowering to be doing heavy defoliation's. In a way im glad i did it though, now ive definitely confirmed for myself that its dangerous to do heavy defol past day 21 but light defol seems to not effect it much if not at all.
 
Also i should add, with this strain i can see the need to do an intense defoliation a day or 2 before flipping so it spends the next 21 days stretching with ample light penetration, plus filling out. By day 21 all the leaves should have filled out again and be a bushy plant. This JH strain just loves to bush out lol. Its like a 50/50 sativa indica or something haha.
 
Thanks for that answer! I'll stick it out without much trimming till day 21 for the full cut. I'm just gonna let it go and see what happens. Once you flipped to 12/12 how many inches of vertical growth would you say they stretched?
 
Tbh I've never taken direct measurements but I can say that it definitely did not double in vertical size. JH doesn't seem to stretch much and everything is pretty compact with tight nodes together. This could be partly because I've had my light no farther than 8 inches from the tops
 
Nice to see the difference with the amount used of defoliation. And I'm happy to see the QB's that they penetrate good. Last week I just finished setting up everything in my tent with the HLG 600h and also a 6pot rdwc. Just waiting for my seeds then I can start my 1st grow with rdwc. Hope you can help me on the road with my grow and give me some tips :)
 

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Nice to see the difference with the amount used of defoliation. And I'm happy to see the QB's that they penetrate good. Last week I just finished setting up everything in my tent with the HLG 600h and also a 6pot rdwc. Just waiting for my seeds then I can start my 1st grow with rdwc. Hope you can help me on the road with my grow and give me some tips :)
Glad you can gain any knowledge off my grow, do keep in mind though that every strain reacts differently so its something you would want to test with your favorite strains. I'll give what help i can! Feel free to tag me in questions any time.
 
From a switch from HPS to the QB 600h version I'm not sure at what height I can hang it on full power and then not burn the plants. I can dim mine till around 70 watts and max 600 watts.

Can you give me a guideline of what wattage/height is needed from seedlings to vedge and bloom?
 
From a switch from HPS to the QB 600h version I'm not sure at what height I can hang it on full power and then not burn the plants. I can dim mine till around 70 watts and max 600 watts.

Can you give me a guideline of what wattage/height is needed from seedlings to vedge and bloom?
Although i do have zero experience with those more powerful versions, id say running it at 200 watts to 250 and having it 18 to 24" from top of plants is a safe bet. You have to kind of play it by sight and always look for how far apart nodes are. If they are getting too long between each other, lower your light a few inches. If they are super packed together and you dont like that cause you're aiming for a taller plant then you would raise the light a few inches. You could also read back on my journal (this one) and see what i set the power wattages to and at what heights. That'll give you an idea, but i basically went for tight packed nodes and mostly achieved that with the jack herer strain.
 
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*Added 2G water, 2tsp: BB, BC and HG.
*Cleaned up dead leafs inside and under P4&P6. Lightly defoliated bottom and middle of P6.

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*Added 3G water, 1G nutes, 1 TBS ph-down.

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*Added 4G water, 1TBS calmag, BB, BC and HG.

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*Added 3G water, 1 TBS OD, Calmag, BB, BC and 2tsp HG.

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Nice to see the difference with the amount used of defoliation. And I'm happy to see the QB's that they penetrate good. Last week I just finished setting up everything in my tent with the HLG 600h and also a 6pot rdwc. Just waiting for my seeds then I can start my 1st grow with rdwc. Hope you can help me on the road with my grow and give me some tips :)
Peter - Your grow will be the first one I’ve ever witnessed that’s being broadcasted from outer space :)

Nice setup, looks great.
 
F-Day 38:
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Ph=6.08 PPM=1050's
*Added 2G water, 2tsp: BB, BC and HG.
*Cleaned up dead leafs inside and under P4&P6. Lightly defoliated bottom and middle of P6.

F-Day 39:
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Ph=6.29, PPM=1050's
*Added 3G water, 1G nutes, 1 TBS ph-down.

F-Day 41:
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Ph=5.70, PPM=1060's
*Added 4G water, 1TBS calmag, BB, BC and HG.

F-Day 42:
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Ph=5.98, PPM=1000's
*Added 3G water, 1 TBS OD, Calmag, BB, BC and 2tsp HG.

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wow vys. they are amazing looking now. heights are brilliant and so compact. great work
 
Thanks guys :D Getting close! I suspect they will be ready either for harvest on day 56 or ill start a flush for 7 days on day 56. Will see how the trichomes look when the time comes!
 
I too am a member of no flush club... Why starve the ladies on food, when they need it the most?
Have you ever done the same pheno/ room/ time side by side flush vs no flush? Just curious what impacts were across yield and flavors as I’ve never tried no flush. My key concern is flavors.
 
Have you ever done the same pheno/ room/ time side by side flush vs no flush? Just curious what impacts were across yield and flavors as I’ve never tried no flush. My key concern is flavors.
have done both but only ever apart. It is really all about the slow dry and no trimming at all till bone dry , she will use up every last drop of chloryphil ect.. staying alive , flushing prolongs her starvation to death over a longer period ( 2 weeks flushing +7 days drying v 10 days drying properly and feeding her until the end of the harvest period ???). No nutes ever come back out of the roots or stems and her stores are for emergencies like starvation !. Flushing slowly forces her to use the stores sooner and stresses her for a longer period prior to eventually harvesting. feeding her till harvest , avoids her being tortured while her food and water are cut off , until it is absolutely necessary.
The slow dry forces her to use her stores in the leaves leaves create harshness and unused chloryphil in them creates heat when burning too, creating an uneven burn.. i.m.o lol just sayin
 
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