First Grow Indica Under CFLs 2012

[growrook]

My seeds came today . And I would like to say that herbies headshop gets an A+ in my book. I order on friday last week. So it took a total of 4 business days to get to me. Which I think is great. concidering my beans came from the UK to Canada. Thanks to DP for making up my mind on where to order from reps buddy! So anyone having a hard time on where to get your seeds from i strongly reconmend herbies headshop. I would take a picture of the packaging to show how stealth it was but you never know who is reading this and i dont want to ruin it for anyone else but take my word for it they would have to take the whole package apart piece by piece to tell whats in there.
So heres my new line up
Female Seeds: white widow x big bud x1
c99 hybrid x-line x1
Nirvana: white rhino x10
Green House: big bang x3
exodus cheese x1
church x1
Barneys Farm: blue cheese x1
Seedmakers: super diesel x1

FREE SEEDS
Royal Queen: critical x2 fem
fruit spirit x1 fem
sleestack x skunk x5 reg

 

[grogreen]

I would love to see these 6.5 foot plants, got any pics? And good job with the fungus gnats, even though I don't know what the hell a fungus gnat is, and frankly hope I never do lol. I know they are nuisance bugs that many cannabis growers deal with, just never had any experience with them. Good luck with eradicating them little basterds, sounds like you've got the situation under control

 

[grogreen]

Wow you've got quite the selection going on there, maybe at some point we can exchange clones. My current grow consists of a white widow x big bud, and it is by far my best plant, so good choice there! I plan to order some more seeds at some point, but first gonna work with my clones now that I'm more familiar with the strains. You plan on growing indoors I assume, considering winter is quickly approaching...keep us updated

 

[growrook]

I would love to see these 6.5 foot plants, got any pics? And good job with the fungus gnats, even though I don't know what the hell a fungus gnat is, and frankly hope I never do lol. I know they are nuisance bugs that many cannabis growers deal with, just never had any experience with them. Good luck with eradicating them little basterds, sounds like you've got the situation under control

I was thinking about bringing my camera next time i go see my girls, so ya next visit if i remember the camera ill take a few pics.
Fungus gnats aka fruit flys or beer bugs, I see them flying around my empties and around my bananas if they get to ripe.

 

[growrook]

Wow you've got quite the selection going on there, maybe at some point we can exchange clones. My current grow consists of a white widow x big bud, and it is by far my best plant, so good choice there! I plan to order some more seeds at some point, but first gonna work with my clones now that I'm more familiar with the strains. You plan on growing indoors I assume, considering winter is quickly approaching...keep us updated

Ya for sure I would do some trading, I m planing on the seeds i ordered to become mother plants, then clone clone clone. Ya it would be next to become familiar with each strain.
Where did you get the ww x bb from?

 

[grogreen]

Ya for sure I would do some trading, I m planing on the seeds i ordered to become mother plants, then clone clone clone. Ya it would be next to become familiar with each strain.
Where did you get the ww x bb from?

I sent you a pm regarding my seed source, and ya i've got two clones going that I also plan to make mothers of many babies unfortunately my white widow clones didnt make it so I dont have any to carry on her legacy, I'd def. be interested in a clone of that one. I was thinking of attempting to regenerate her for some clones but it seems like alot of work, im undecided at this point

 

[donpaul.p]

so your liking herbies then mate, they are by far the best and i pass on their details to everyone, just drop my name in the msg and you will be more than looked after, herbies ships to other countries quicker than it takes companies in that country to send seeds to people in their own country, i get my seeds from herbies the very next day due to where i live, but 4 days is good going,

so glad you liked herbies mate, did you drop a msg with your order or did you just place the order,
if you never sent a msg then drop herbies an email thanking them for your order and explain your part of this site and tell herbie how you found out about him, then trust me mate, you will be more than looked after with your next order,

so anyone placing an order send a msg with it saying how you found out about herbies, say your part of this site and you will be looked after,

thanks for checking herbies mate, i knew you would like the service and like the speedy discreet delivery, its a good idea not to post pictures of the delivery as herbie does what he can to make it discreet, but i got to say, it would take a pro to find the seeds, so you can all rest assured that no matter where you live you will always get your order and know one will ever know what you have ordered.

reps for checking them out my friends

 

[donpaul.p]

be careful discussing seeds on here, your not allowed to request seeds from anyone, just a heads up for future reference

 

[growrook]

3 week update
Well I can post no pic yet since my camera burns through batteries faster then my wife burns though are stash.
Once I Go get some batteries ill get up some week 3 pics
For problems I have flushed all plants checked the PH it was a little high so I been adjusting that. I m new to coco so i was doing the same thing i did with soil which is a big no no. This is fixed
mag def I m not sure if this was the problem or the PH but i did feed and foliar feed the girls with epsom salt. this is fixed
Over watering I m sure i did this and that why my leafs were cupping under I think, this is due to not knowing what i m doing in coco. Coco hold water for a while even if it feels and looks dry its still moist, I was being lazy and not measuring the amount of water i was giving and i wasn t using the moisture meter. this is fixed
So hopefully that s it but a lot of the plants are looking great and not showing any signs of anything wrong. Buds are looking nice!
My outdoor girls are monsters I never checked them for a while. well the time i never checked them was the time they did there stretch and really filled out now there monsters. Ill get pics of this right before i harvest.

 

[growrook]

Week 3 of budding
Well just when i thought i had everything under control this is what i seen today only on a few plants,
SOS Any body that has a clue what maybe is wrong here would be great, cause i m lost.

Here s what most of the good plants look like

 

[jandre2k3]

Howdy! From the first few pics of current problem, it looks like it could be Heat damage. How close are your lights? and are these under CFL's as well? What wattage?

Second Prong:

I know you're in coco are these pure coco? At what pH are you feeding? Have you added anything new that might have caused this?

When you saw this stress, did you add B12 or SUPERthrive?

 

[growrook]

Howdy! From the first few pics of current problem, it looks like it could be Heat damage. How close are your lights? and are these under CFL's as well? What wattage?

Second Prong:

I know you're in coco are these pure coco? At what pH are you feeding? Have you added anything new that might have caused this?

When you saw this stress, did you add B12 or SUPERthrive?

HELLO Jandre2k3 Thanks for stopping by, The lights are 400 watts and 10x 26 watt cfl 6500k, They are close the 400 watt is about 8 inches away CfL are 3-4 inches.
Yes they are in pure coco I did mix bone meal into the coco before planting, Ive feed them with epsom salt and water at around 6.0 ph. I used the test strips so its had to tell what the exact number of the ph is. I also foilar feed them this mix to. the last time I feed was a
week ago with 5-15-5 plant food. My temp is around 90 So they are high but some plants are doing real well.
I was thinking heat to so i took the plants outside to see if they do any better. its hot but they get a nice cool breeze being close to a lake

 

[donpaul.p]

hi mate, it looks like your lights are way to close mate, my 400watt hps has to stay at over 1ft away from the top of the plants, and even then i have to have a fan blowing over the tops of the plants as well, also mate make sure you have not got a fan blowing directly on them plants that are damaged, if you have a fan blowing on them then this can cause similar problems as it dries the leaves out.

now as the plants are in small pots are you sure your giving enough water, the res on my hempies is empty in 24 hours and they hold around 1ltr of liquid per res, and they use all that up and more, so make sure your watering enough and often enough, so id check that also, make sure you water till you have run off, its not a nute issue or over nute, to me id agree with jandre, it looks like heat damage or fan damage or even under watering.

so check the following,
1 raise the height of the hps to 1ft away from the top of the plant, if my light is lower than that i have problems with the tops of the plants,
2 check your temps at the top of the plant, make sure its in the correct range.
3 check any fans you have running, i use 12v computer fans and if i have these blowing directly on 1 of the plants then it dries the leaves out, so i have my fans blowing above the plants and gently blowing on the plants.
4 check how much you are watering and how often, each of my hempies use 1ltr per 24 hours but im growing mine in a dwc type grow, so check how much you are watering, its clear you are not over watering as the leaves would be drooping down, but the leaves look dry to me so check how often and how much you water,
5, check the fans are not blowing hot air onto the plants, if the fan is pulling the hot air away from the lights then this could be blowing it on the plants, so make sure you have enough ventilation.
my grow room 3ft by 3ft and floor to ceiling high, and i cant close my grow room door as the temps go way to high so my door is left open and i have a couple of 12v fans blowing the air around the room, if it gets to hot i have a big desktop fan that i switch on and have it blowing into the room.

let me know what you find mate, but to me it looks like heat damage, so raise the lights and they should recover, also make sure your watering enough but dont over water as you will have more problems

 

[Mr. Krip]

Hey Growrook, you're doing a great job, overall!

If I had to guess, based on what I've seen and read, your fungus gnat problem is worse than you think. Those little f'ers can damage the roots which prevents the roots from uptaking the nutes it needs.

Fungus gnats love coco, and may have even been introduced to your growroom from a bad batch of coco you purchased.

You can get some Baccillus Thurengiensis (BT...and not sure if I spelled it exactly correct!) and add it to the nutes, which will kill the larvae, but not the adults. A Pyrethium fogger can help a lot, if you want to spend some money, and those No-Pest-Strips will also help.

 

[Xlr8]

Hey Growrook, you're doing a great job, overall!

If I had to guess, based on what I've seen and read, your fungus gnat problem is worse than you think. Those little f'ers can damage the roots which prevents the roots from uptaking the nutes it needs.

Fungus gnats love coco, and may have even been introduced to your growroom from a bad batch of coco you purchased.

You can get some Baccillus Thurengiensis (BT...and not sure if I spelled it exactly correct!) and add it to the nutes, which will kill the larvae, but not the adults. A Pyrethium fogger can help a lot, if you want to spend some money, and those No-Pest-Strips will also help.

Bingo. I agree completely, and even have a theory. Fungus gnats like... fungus. Unfortunately, when you have fungus gnats you often have fungus. Not only that, they spread fungus. Bastards, right?

My guess is you may have burned them at some point (nute burn). When that happens, you see the damage on the leaves, but the roots are often just as affected if not more. Meaning, dead roots in the pot. You may have been overwatering some, too, or the pots were unable to dry fully in the middle due to straight coco as medium (see my other note below) which helps contribute to mold, fungus, rot... Just the sort of stuff that fungus gnats LOVE (other bugs like root aphids, too).

Like Mr. Krip said, BT. Think "Mosquito Dunks" (google if you're not familiar). Put them in your reservoir or watering can/bucket/whatever. One will do it, even half of one. I put it in a clean nylon sock, as they disentegrate into little chunks, but I only do that because I use the water with an active hydro system, too. Also, azamax works great. Or, the SNS 203 from Sierra Natural Sciences (a sponsor):

SNS 203 Soil Drench Spray | Sierra Natural Science

Follow the directions. I'd consider getting rid of any plants that look really bad, so it doesn't continue to contribute to furthering or spreading the problem - the affected plants look pretty rough, in all honesty.

Also, consider things like "No Pests" strips by Hot Shot (google if you aren't familiar, I see Mr Krip mentioned that too). They work and are fairly safe as long as you don't spend more than 3 hours per day in your grow room, but read up to make sure you are comfortable with it first.

Also, there is a spray product called "Home Defense Max" that I spray outside the entrance to my grow room, as well as around the exterior of my home, etc. It forms a bit of an invisible barrier that bugs don't like to cross. I've literally seen bugs retreat as they approach the area I sprayed with it, so it does help some. For what it's worth, all of these things are part of my preventative maintenance approach now, as dealing with bugs... bites.

Oh, and if you have a utility sink nearby, dump a shot glass full of bleach down the drain. Make sure there is no standing water anywhere exposed - it's been proven that they can breed in a thimble full of water!

Finally, deal with the fungus. If you try to keep the affected plants, try adding an enzyme product like Hygrozyme to help detoriate and clean up dead rotten roots that are under the surface. Make sure you only water when the pots get light. With coco coir, the pots will get ridiculously "light" feeling when they are ready for watering. Basically, the best time to water is right before they start to wilt from lack of water. If you pick up a pot and think, whoa, that's crazy light for what I'd expect, time to water. If you're not sure... wait.

If you use something like Superroots "Airpots", or "Smart Pots" you can get by with straight coco coir as a medium, but if you are using a standard gardening pot, it might help to add perlite or something similar to help get more air in the medium which should also help prevent fungus, etc. (in the future).

Don't panic or get down - Mr Krip is right you are doing a good job so far. But, that's where I think your problem lies, too, personally.

Growrook!

 

[shizznizzle]

Top notch, concise and easy to understand. Thank you so much Xlr8 I know this is not my journal but I always get lots of tips and things from others and do not feel I give my appreciation enough.

 

[Xlr8]

Top notch, concise and easy to understand. Thank you so much Xlr8 I know this is not my journal but I always get lots of tips and things from others and do not feel I give my appreciation enough.

Shizznizzle. I'm hoping it's helpful - ugh, I hate bugs!

 

[Alaskan1]

wow, I have nothing to add as it's all been said by Jandre, Mr Krip and Xlr8!
Excellent info guys

 

[growrook]

Hey Growrook, you're doing a great job, overall!

If I had to guess, based on what I've seen and read, your fungus gnat problem is worse than you think. Those little f'ers can damage the roots which prevents the roots from uptaking the nutes it needs.

Fungus gnats love coco, and may have even been introduced to your growroom from a bad batch of coco you purchased.

You can get some Baccillus Thurengiensis (BT...and not sure if I spelled it exactly correct!) and add it to the nutes, which will kill the larvae, but not the adults. A Pyrethium fogger can help a lot, if you want to spend some money, and those No-Pest-Strips will also help.

Im thinking you nailed it right on the ball because when i water it seems these plants that are not healthy are needing water not as much as the healthy plants, which makes me think the larvie are having a feast on the roots.
All these plant started out really healthy so something happen along the way. if it was nuts prob wouldn t they all have it? I might have over watered at first, I was treating my grow like a hydro grow thinking i need to water more because of the pure coco. which i learned later that coco does hold water longer then i thought. temp I think is a problem to.
I got a little cocky when i started flowering in coco didn t do my research first now im paying, thank you jandre2k3, Mr krp, xlr8, DP, alasken1, I asked 5 people for help and all 5 of you came to the aid of my grow and all today, I look up to all you guys as growers thank so much and hopefully we can fix this one.

 

[Alaskan1]

Im thinking you nailed it right on the ball because when i water it seems these plants that are not healthy are needing water not as much as the healthy plants, which makes me think the larvie are having a feast on the roots.
All these plant started out really healthy so something happen along the way. if it was nuts prob wouldn t they all have it? I might have over watered at first, I was treating my grow like a hydro grow thinking i need to water more because of the pure coco. which i learned later that coco does hold water longer then i thought. temp I think is a problem to.
I got a little cocky when i started flowering in coco didn t do my research first now im paying, thank you jandre2k3, Mr krp, xlr8, DP, alasken1, I asked 5 people for help and all 5 of you came to the aid of my grow and all today, I look up to all you guys as growers thank so much and hopefully we can fix this one.

No worries man. I think I can speak for all 5 of us when I say we are here to help when we can. We all need help, advise and opinions at some point and it's more like a family here.