Indeed - The vacuum freezing is for AFTER the cure, not to cure. I perhaps should have specified that point. Was kinda thinking "after the low'n'slo - then what?"
Vegans doesn't use any animal byproducts. Not leather, not capsules or any other products that cause any harm whatsoever to animals or products that require humans to suppress animals in any form.
So... I don't often do this, but I'm going to preface this one by stating that I am not trying to be a smart-@ss here: So vegans aren't using anything that was, for example, either made from petroleum or in a process that required a petroleum-based product? Because oil wells, "exploration" drilling, and the fracking process all seem to cause
quite a bit of harm to the other animal species. Homo sapiens, too, come to think of it.
Plus - and here, yes, a bit of a smart-@ss, lol (but only a
bit) - oil is most definitely an animal product, and wouldn't exist without the deaths of untold millions of them. To me, this is simply a case of us not killing those animals in order to create the oil. Plus, you know... there is some
need for petroleum. Where I come from,
need usually trumps everything else. I've used the example of a steak before, so: I
want a steak. But I don't actually need one. I
need water. So if I find myself in a situation where I'd have to kill an animal in order to get it (pond being guarded by a lion, maybe, IDFK), I won't have to think about my decision - I'll just go looking for some stout sticks to sharpen and fire-harden.
There are also animal (by)products that don't require the killing of animals. Eggs... Well, I am under the impression that the eggs people consume are
unfertilized ones, therefore, not really meeting my definition for "life." Specifically in regards to growing plants, what about guano? Would a vegan cannabis grower refuse to use something like that?
I'm vegetarian however so I drink milk, eat eggs and I fucking use leather as well - I'm not the best vegetarian.
I vaguely remember milking a cow (it did not go well, lol, and only happened once) and collecting eggs once as a young child at one of my grandfathers' homes. Those were, err, not painful (the milking experience only harmed one small human
) . Large-scale egg production, though...
I do things like not purchasing cheap supermarket eggs. That's not a vegetarian/vegan/whatever thing. I just try not to finance such things. Capitalism, lol, if enough people stopped supporting those methods, the farmers (or farm-factory owners, I suppose) would either change their ways or go out of business.
Unfortunately, I'm not any good at it. I buy cheap food on sale, so there's going to be... IDK what all they put eggs in, but it's pretty certain that they're not using free-range hens to produce the eggs that they use in, say, a TV dinner. And, now that I think of it, GMO corn is a certainity in such products. Doggone it, now look what you've got me thinking about!
But I do try. I really do
Good. I should probably try harder. But the more... selective I am in grocery shopping, the less groceries I can afford to bring home. It's a touch choice, most days. And one that I'm not willing to starve over (at some point, as previously mentioned, thoughts about other life forms pale against thoughts of survival).
If there is good vegan alternatives to the animal product I will buy that
That would make an excellent thread for our off-topic area, IMHO. Alternatives to animal products. There are linux (OS) threads like that at other forums, for people that come from other operating systems and do not wish to give up certain non-linux applications but would still like to quit torturing themselves and switch to a decent OS. There are undoubtedly people who'd make little (and maybe not so little) changes if they knew of viable alternatives to the things they enjoy now. And every little bit helps.
You wouldn't use products that required us to kill humans - would you? Well - I like humans much less than animals and think I would rather eat some of us
Legalize cannibalism!
By choice? Certainly not. Although who knows what medicines and medical procedures (when I was a kid and actually went to a doctor once in a...
ever) might have either been directly created or created from knowledge attained via the mad evil people who worked in places with names like Auschwitz in and around Nazi-era Germany?
However... If you're envisioning a scenario such as "two starving people on a life raft," this becomes slightly more problematic and uncertain, lol. When
two people don't eat, they both die anyway. If one person eats, but the other dies anyway... Well, that's an immediate 50% reduction in deaths. I've eaten
bird, FFS, and the reason there's dark meat on one of those <BLEEPing> winged things is because they don't have bladders :rolleyes3 . Well... Hmm... I'd like to say, "No, of course not." The health aspects... You'd be eating something that is capable of supporting diseases that would transfer to you. But that would be like getting a liver transplant from someone that has Aids. Die now or die at some future date. The
moral aspects... Do you choose yourself as the survivor, taking the stance that personal survival is primus? I try real hard not to place my own self above the rest of the planet when making political decisions (voting, et cetera). But that's a much less personal thing than "do I survive another day in hopes that a ship will find me, or refuse to do something abhorrent?" And I like to think I'm a nice guy (at least when I remember to try not to be an @sshole), and I try to be helpful - but what if the other person is, IDK, a doctor? Or even a truck driver, transporting milk or something? A lawyer would probably taste like bile (and get stuck in my throat), and a politican would have had a little misstep whilst trying to board the life raft, lol. What if the other person is a mother? I have no "blood" children, AfaIK. Would I be able to open a vein for the cause? Or at least say, "I'm a pretty sound sleeper, so you better
hold onto our only knife while I sleep, in case you see a pirate," perhaps? I'd like to think so, but how can anyone answer that unless they've been there?
Would I pull a Jeffery Dahmer, lol? <SHUDDERS> No, and not just in regards to his
diet, either.
IDK, man, it's all situational, isn't it? When my most recently expired cat died, it tore me up something awful. A
cat. Did I eat it? NO. But I "was friends" (like they cared :rolleyes3 ) with my late aunt's few cows when I was a kid (mostly because I'd never seen anyone keep animals in an old house instead of a barn before, so I hung out). Eight or so years old - and I still remember those being the best-tasting (and probably some of the healthiest) steaks I've ever eaten. And the conversation went something like:
(Me)"Boy, this must be the best tasting steak, EVER! And I almost don't even need a knife."
(Aunt)"That's because it was one of my cows."
(Me)"One of the cows up by your old house?"
(DAD, laughing)"Did you think she had some others hidden away?"
(Me)"I'm sure glad I was nice to them. Because this one is nice to me."
Like that. Maybe it's a rural thing. If I'd grown up in one of those 89-story monstrosities in New York City, then I'd only see... Pigeons, the peregrine falcons that feed on them, rats, two-legged rats, and pets?
So, right, I never even thought of eating my cat. But Koreans eat dog all the time, don't they? That concept doesn't bother me. I certainly wouldn't choose to eat dog. Wouldn't even taste it, unless I was starving. They eat snails in France, and I did taste that in high school French class. I have no way of knowing, of course... But I
suspect that dog would have been far more palatable. I've eaten snake <SHRUGS>. Buffalo. Either reindeer or caribou (I forget which). Rabbit and squirrel, of course. Fish, when they were still thought to be reasonably non-toxic in the local wates. Wild turkey when Pop didn't see any deer on the last day of the season <WHOOPS!
Accidentally killed a turkey
> . Lamb, which I'd ignored all my life until a friend treated me to a Lebanese restaurant one day and I learned what I had been missing. Store-bought bird (but not by preference). IDK, probably other things. And I went to a Cubs game once and stumbled across a hot dog place that had a number of so-called "exotic" meat sausages/etc., where I tried a few things. Oh, and once -
once - I tried some tuna. IDFK how cats can eat that stuff.
I once got there with a friend, some kind of purple indica so nothing to write home about, but we were standing in his father's kitchen and he reached up behind him, opened the cabinet, pulled out a box, stuck his hand in, grabbed a handful, tossed it in, started chewing... Got the oddest look on his face, chewed some more, finally swallowed, and said, "Hey, those aren't triscuits," or something like that. It turned out he'd just grabbed a box of dry cat food, LMFAO - so he probably ate
horse.
I assume that some of the things I've eaten would cause disgust or at least eye-rolling in other lands, other cultures. Much of what I eat isn't kosher or... what's the word for the Muslem dietary restrictions? Anyway, the people of those religions wouldn't think much of what I eat. And cows are held in high esteem to Hindus, so they don't eat them. Which is ironic, because every Indian that I've ever asked (only a few, but...) has told me that all the cows wandering around pretty much universally annoy the sh!t out of them, lol. Besides, the pictures/video I've seen of many of those cows, they look like skin and bones. My aunt's cows had a much higher quality of life, regardless of the respective lengths of life. Go figure...
Back to the vacuum sealing - So as we won't be able to create a true vacuum, we risk the THC crystals fall off the buds.
I was thinking the possibility of seeing more loose trichomes in the container would be if they were frozen, not sealed into a low-pressure environment. IDK.
He will grind everything after the cure and then freeze it.
In which case trichomes have
already been disturbed, lol.
Never noticed his pot had any reduction of quality in the freezer.
Good to know (thanks!).
But I don't do it like that myself. I want to have the buds whole kinda
Me, too. But I might end up trying your friend's method with a small quantity (a little in a film cannister or something of similar size). Mainly because I might forget it's in there, lol, and be able to find it one day when I'm feeling, well... <~TS~ goes to look in his freezer...>
Ball jars are best, IMO- a better vacuum is achieved; they do require more space and darkness, and theyre fragile. The herb in the bags are more fragile and if you take all the air out you compress the buds...
Ive stored vacuum foodsaver bags with herb in De-Pot buckets..
I also do not like the bags, and for the same reason. I did not know one could vacuum-seal Ball jars without using a canner (and I don't know how to do
that with dry goods). How do you seal canning jars? With a canner, or...?
Ok I don't know what is up with my ability to post, like, PM or interact at all within this site. Almost 10 days now and no help. I'm logged on but, have the ability of a guest. I make one post and get booted. Tag a like and get booted.
Don't know if this will go through.
You can PM me if you like. The folder is empty and does not populate.
No response from an admin.
You have more than 50 posts, so there is no (normal) automatic reason that you shouldn't be able to send a PM.
As for "doing one thing and getting 'booted,' " you did not state what your method of access is. The only issues in that regard that I've ever had when using my laptop and web browser (Firefox) was when I had somehow cleared the "keep me logged in" checkbox. This forum, like most websites these days, does require the user to accept a script (the "420magazine.com" one; the "doubleclick.net," "google-analytics.com," etc. ones must be optional) for full website functionality, but most users seem to choose to automatically accept every script that every website tries to run on their computer, by
not running a script-blocker such as NoScript, so I assume that the 420magazine.com script is able to run in your browser). The only other thing that I ever notice is that, occasionally, I will click on the "edit post" button and get placed into the quick reply box as if I had indicated the desire to begin a new reply (mildly annoying, but not a problem). If you are using one of the cell phone applications for access, there are threads for reporting issues in the
Bug Reports subsection of the Website Help & Feedback area:
Website Help & Feedback
Actually, there are threads for the specific cell phone applications, general cell phone issues, web browsers, et cetera, so there may be some knowledge there already which is pertinent; if not, try posting there.
This forum doesn't run any of the various "bad user" plug-ins, lol. Anyone who annoys the staff (by disregarding
guidelines) would receive some kind of administrative PM instead of just being "annoyed away." Or, in the case of disregarding warnings, banned. But that is rare, and (AfaIK) if you'd been banned you couldn't even log in.
I did find a thread just now that
might apply, IDK:
Members Locked Out Of Accounts - Expired Email Accounts
The official support email address is
support@420magazine.com , but you may find the cause - and solution - to your issue via one of the links I've posted.
I do hope you can solve your issue!
The number of times you had me scream with laughter...... 
