KJ83
There's the love I was looking for bro....
Thanks for sharing this thread bye way you and sue extremely resourceful.
DrZiggy's Low And Slow Drying: Maximizing Your Harvest
There's the love I was looking for bro....
Thanks for sharing this thread bye way you and sue extremely resourceful.
Lo' and Slo' Dried Gummy! 
..and Sue? please dont even think to start a thread "DrZiggy Miniaturization of Gummys"
..and Sue? please dont even think to start a thread "DrZiggy Miniaturization of Gummys"
Skullman420
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You sound exactly like me 4-5 years ago before I became a vegetarian. I have said it all and heard it all. I too used these excuses to tell myself eating meat was not a bad thing and I even thought of myself as a natural predator and that it was my place. But These words I told myself never really convinced me. Deep inside I always knew it was wrong of me to eat others. To take their beautiful lives away. Especially in 2017, there are so many meat-alternatives and also so much information available. Today I do believe that most people would be able to live on a healthy vegetarian diet that gives their bodies and brains everything they need.
Can't say my scientific brain is working less now than it used to when I ate meat. On the contrary. I lost so much weight and am so much more healthy now. My body truly loves me for this choice. If I knew how greatly I would benefit from not eating meat I would probably have stopped decades ago.
But! I am not here to talk about my political or ethical views on this world. I'm here to learn how to grow cannabis from the best. And hopefully also be able to teach others the stuff I picked up during the years as a grower. This site is brilliant. I have never learned so much from any other site/forum/whatever out there.
Being a vegetarian is very challenging in other ways though. I would love to grow vegan organic weed. Not sure it's possible because there are usually so many animal byproducts in organic nutrients
Can't say my scientific brain is working less now than it used to when I ate meat. On the contrary. I lost so much weight and am so much more healthy now. My body truly loves me for this choice. If I knew how greatly I would benefit from not eating meat I would probably have stopped decades ago.
But! I am not here to talk about my political or ethical views on this world. I'm here to learn how to grow cannabis from the best. And hopefully also be able to teach others the stuff I picked up during the years as a grower. This site is brilliant. I have never learned so much from any other site/forum/whatever out there.
Being a vegetarian is very challenging in other ways though. I would love to grow vegan organic weed. Not sure it's possible because there are usually so many animal byproducts in organic nutrients
Skullman420
Well-Known Member
Sue mentioned condensation, which activated my brain. The brain said "hmmmm - What if........"
And then I did a tiny little bit of research. Like half an hour or so and I came to the conclusion I should share this paragraph with you. I think it may be something that could potentially be useful? What do you think folks?
"What is vacuum insulation?
Vacuum insulation is the process of removing the air between an inner and outer wall to provide better insulation performance. This form of thermal insulation consists of a nearly gas-tight enclosure surrounding a core from which the air has been evacuated. Creating a vacuum helps to eliminate the transfer of heat energy through convection since the gas molecules it relies on have been removed.
What is double wall insulation?
Double wall insulated products feature an inner and outer wall. As a result, beverages stay cold or hot longer than they would in a single wall vessel. Also, it helps prevent sweating (although they may still form sweat/condensation if they go through an extreme temperature change)"
Then I googled a little bit more and I found this little sucker:
Then I was thinking "A hole....."
Then I realized that may not be a bad thing at all. Won't that allow us to suck out the air before we seal them?
I don't know - I just felt it should be shared
And then I did a tiny little bit of research. Like half an hour or so and I came to the conclusion I should share this paragraph with you. I think it may be something that could potentially be useful? What do you think folks?
"What is vacuum insulation?
Vacuum insulation is the process of removing the air between an inner and outer wall to provide better insulation performance. This form of thermal insulation consists of a nearly gas-tight enclosure surrounding a core from which the air has been evacuated. Creating a vacuum helps to eliminate the transfer of heat energy through convection since the gas molecules it relies on have been removed.
What is double wall insulation?
Double wall insulated products feature an inner and outer wall. As a result, beverages stay cold or hot longer than they would in a single wall vessel. Also, it helps prevent sweating (although they may still form sweat/condensation if they go through an extreme temperature change)"
Then I googled a little bit more and I found this little sucker:
Then I was thinking "A hole....."
Then I realized that may not be a bad thing at all. Won't that allow us to suck out the air before we seal them?
I don't know - I just felt it should be shared
Sue mentioned condensation, which activated my brain. The brain said "hmmmm - What if........"
And then I did a tiny little bit of research. Like half an hour or so and I came to the conclusion I should share this paragraph with you. I think it may be something that could potentially be useful? What do you think folks?
"What is vacuum insulation?
Vacuum insulation is the process of removing the air between an inner and outer wall to provide better insulation performance. This form of thermal insulation consists of a nearly gas-tight enclosure surrounding a core from which the air has been evacuated. Creating a vacuum helps to eliminate the transfer of heat energy through convection since the gas molecules it relies on have been removed.
What is double wall insulation?
Double wall insulated products feature an inner and outer wall. As a result, beverages stay cold or hot longer than they would in a single wall vessel. Also, it helps prevent sweating (although they may still form sweat/condensation if they go through an extreme temperature change)"
Then I googled a little bit more and I found this little sucker:
Then I was thinking "A hole....."
Then I realized that may not be a bad thing at all. Won't that allow us to suck out the air before we seal them?
I don't know - I just felt it should be shared
So kinda like a a thermos wall ?
Skullman420
Well-Known Member
Yep. Like a thermo wall. It will keep the environmental factors very stabile. Add one of these
And then rebuild one of these to suck instead of blow, and you can store your buds in a vacuum. Now we're talking long term storage!
And then rebuild one of these to suck instead of blow, and you can store your buds in a vacuum. Now we're talking long term storage!
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Exactly. Now, where would the condensation collect in this arrangement?
I opened my fridge yesterday to find things freezing. Evidently I moved the temperature knob without realizing it. I caught it before any more than condensation on the jar walls had frozen, and I'm resetting the temps. Last night I dumped all the jars to be sure I hadn't frozen any buds, and it appears I'm good. Whew! Had I gone to bed without catching that I'd have found buds frozen solid by this morning.
I'll be more careful when filling the fridge from now on. Those buds are sitting in the coolest spot in the unit.
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Hey... They don't call me SweetSue for nothin'.
Lo' and Slo' Dried Gummy!
..and Sue? please dont even think to start a thread "DrZiggy Miniaturization of Gummys"
Awwww Ziggy, it was gonna be a surprise.
Skullman420
Well-Known Member
There is something interesting with vacuum. I have seen people talking about vacuum making it possible to freeze the buds without harming them. Do not know for sure this is true though. This is so not my field of science.
"Freezer Method
To properly use the freezer method, you need to have access to vacuum sealable containers. Its very important to remove all air from the container because the remaining air could dry the bud, and ruin the flavor. After placing the marijuana into the container and removing the air, place into your freezer. The great thing is, mold and fungus will not grow in freezing conditions. When it comes time to smoke, you don't need to thaw, just blaze away!"
"Freezer Method
To properly use the freezer method, you need to have access to vacuum sealable containers. Its very important to remove all air from the container because the remaining air could dry the bud, and ruin the flavor. After placing the marijuana into the container and removing the air, place into your freezer. The great thing is, mold and fungus will not grow in freezing conditions. When it comes time to smoke, you don't need to thaw, just blaze away!"
Exactly. Now, where would the condensation collect in this arrangement?
I opened my fridge yesterday to find things freezing. Evidently I moved the temperature knob without realizing it. I caught it before any more than condensation on the jar walls had frozen, and I'm resetting the temps. Last night I dumped all the jars to be sure I hadn't frozen any buds, and it appears I'm good. Whew! Had I gone to bed without catching that I'd have found buds frozen solid by this morning.
I'll be more careful when filling the fridge from now on. Those buds are sitting in the coolest spot in the unit.
Skullman420
Well-Known Member
I'm not sure where the condensation goes sue Honestly noe clue. I just know it doesn't happen anymore
Honestly noe clue. I just know it doesn't happen anymore- Thread starter
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I'm not sure where the condensation goes sue
Hahaha! You should have been inside my blonde brain right then. Lol!
The vacuum idea is a sweet one. I know they're talking about dried buds, but after the low and slo was complete this makes an attractive long-term storage solution. In my world buds never stick around that long, but it strikes me as a neat way to build up a secret stash.
I have a vacuum. Jar with some DDA in it that I sealed up months ago. It's my emergency patient stash.
Skullman420
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dearest Sue. There is absolutely nothing blond about your brain! That's something I can sign on. You're incredibly intelligent
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Thank you, kind sir.
I have my moments. Lol! Moments when my husband would stop in his tracks and shake his head in wonder, before he pulled me in for a good hug while he laughed heartily. Lol! Ahhhh.... good times. Hehe!
NOTE: This is somewhat longer than my usual posts. And it's probably all over the place between feeling kind of mentally-challenged today and the myriad of interruptions I've experienced whilst working on it. And it might be about 99.5% off-topic. And it's probably also out of order, because I encountered some issues here.
Truer words were never spoken. Err... Typed.
You're pretty good at surprises
.
Oh, many, many things.
Seems to me that the trichomes can become damaged unless they are completely devoid of moisture. And that they don't seem to stick to the buds quite as well when everything is frozen. But I could be wrong, of course.
Was the person talking about doing this after the cure? Or was he simply not interested in curing his cannabis? And... mold and fungus? I've never had either grow on properly dried/cured bud. Of course, I've never allowed it to get wet and then put it away in that condition, either. If the guy was storing it outside in pillowcases during the local rainy season, OtOH... Yeah, the logic would then make sense. But so would not leaving it outside to get ruined.
People think that about ME all the time
Not ALL of it, but some. A lot, in relative terms. And I like the thought of using hard-walled containers for partial-vacuum storage as opposed to those vacuum-seal bags.
Well, with a true vacuum, it'd end up more or less evenly distributed, which would be helped by cell walls bursting.
But I strongly suspect that what is happening is not a true vacuum. That's kind of hard to create. If I ever have to repair a catastrophic leak in the A/C in Mom's car, I'll have to borrow a vacuum pump. That'll create a very low pressure environment. Most folks that do that kind of work professionally these days, I guess you're lucky if they run the pump for an hour. Old-school says, FBR (for best results), run it for 12 hours. Still not a true zero PSI vacuum, but it's safe to assume at that point that the vast overwhelming majority of moisture has been removed.
Those Seal-A-Meal things? Not a true vacuum. Pressure canning? Ditto. It's obviously what's called a partial vacuum - thus the *pop* sound when one opens a jar.
Or something like that, lol. I'm no scientist, regardless of the machines I may or may not have disassembled as a child.
Hmm... I wish my mind was working better today instead of leaving me feel vaguely like a halfwit.
How about grinding/chopping the cannabis into as fine a substance as you can, then rigging up a powerful vacuum pump, leave it running for 12 hours, and slowly dropping the temperature to "deep freeze" along the way? I can think of a couple of reasons why this probably isn't optimum (for one, what you'd end up with wouldn't be capable of a cure at that point). But it might be an interesting experiment for anyone in the audience who is a scientist (mad or otherwise). Decarboxylation, hmm... The cannabinoids in fresh cannabis all have an extra carboxyl ring or group (COOH) attached to their chain. So we use a little heat and time (or a lot of heat and more or less no time by just rolling it up and lighting the end of the joint, lol). I wonder if the above would provide for any decarboxylation? I'm thinking, "No." But playing with pressures (or lack thereof) under very cold temperatures can do some pretty amazing things. Like the many, many states that water can transform into under extreme pressure and extreme low temperature. So I really have no idea what'd occur if the cannabis got cold enough and the pressure became low enough (or, for that matter, high enough - hmm again ).
But say you've just spend a few tens of thousands of dollars on a lab-quality ultra-low-temperature freezer, several more thousand on an industrial vacuum pump and related hardware, you've turned your cannabis into the finest powder, you've managed to figure out how to NOT see that powder immediately escape through the vacuum device, you set things up, come back the next day...
And what you've got hasn't gone through the process of decarboxylation. But it's a powder. You have some capsules. The THCA is all still merely THCA. Et cetera. It's not going to be psychoactive. But THCA still has anti-inflammatory and neuroprotective qualities. Huh. My Mom doesn't want to get high. I suggested it once, years ago, and almost ended up leaving "home" early over the... prolonged reaction. So, no, she doesn't want to get high. But she has a list of health issues. Including constant pain that is sometimes so extreme that she cannot keep her balance. I bet whatever mess came out of the experiment would provide some improvement in her life. HMM... Sometimes I'd like to have been a fly on the wall when that rat b@stard Sam the Skunkman and his HortaPharm were in discussions with GW Pharmaceuticals. When I think about all that, I mostly just think about... Well, if you ever get a chance, search for an article titled "Who is Doctor Frankenbeanstein?" I ranted about it a little in post #19 of this thread:
GMO Cannabis Concerns
Remember how, in the lower-pressure environment at high altitude, cooking directions are different because water boils at a lower temperature? Decrease the pressure enough and liquids pretty much boil off immediately after forming. So... Condensation doesn't "go" anywhere; there just isn't any at that pressure level.
Oh no! (Can I sit in your refrigerator for a little while, lol?)
Whew, indeed. Hey, I've always been under the impression that bud which has been frozen won't cure properly afterwards. Does anyone know whether this is true or merely a false assumption on my part?
You're supposed to cut the heads off before you shrink them.
How very sad. Not me. I try to learn something new, every single day. If I'm really lucky, I get it in before noon and can coast the rest of the day (just kidding). And as for saying it all, I'll probably have something to say tomorrow, too (probably not kidding ).
I do have pretty strong opinions. But if those opinions are not challenged - and, yes, often successfully - then I might as well be all by myself on this planet.
Probably not going to win any points with this admission, but I'm not really bothered by any moral aspects. When I was dating the vegetarian, I tried to come around to her point of view. She was funny and hot, supporting herself whilst simultaneously taking more classes at the local college... and a vegetarian. So I listened to the arguments. I tried the dishes (many of the ones that weren't served as "meat substitutes" were okay). Mostly, all I knew was that I liked meat, lol - and that's not exactly a scientific basis for the thing. So I started hunting for information about why I should try to stop eating meat. Chicken farms? <SHUDDERS> A chicken isn't even considered to be an animal by those who write the regulations in this country, merely a food item (and having seen what domestic food-production chickens came from, and the difference, was sad). There were more... But all that showed, really, was the things that homo sapiens would do in order to support his/her greed. I learned that lesson before I ever reached the upper floor of my elementary school. But I kept trying. That's when I learned that our teeth aren't the teeth of an herbivore (or a carnivore, either). We have the teeth of an omnivore. And it's when I saw the studies regarding expecting and nursing mothers, diet, and the development & intelligence of their children. I was still trying to convince myself that I should become a vegetarian at this point. If for no other reason, well... You know those little white lies we routinely tell everyone from the next door neighbor, strangers we pass on the street... up to and including our spouses and/or partners? Yeah... I don't really do that. So I was beginning to feel the need to score some major relationship points.
Anyway... High-production chicken farmers. HATE them. Err... Those old folks who have chickens wandering around their yard - and into the road, lol? That only annoys me when I was driving and had to watch for the critters. Those chickens have a pretty good life. Sure - and then they die. <SHRUGS> Well, better enjoy every sandwich (err, sorry), bro, because like the late, great Warren Zevon said, "LIFE will kill 'ya. And then you're dead." I'd much prefer going out like one of those local farmers' birds than the way that I undoubtedly will, slowly, painfully, and without dignity. The guy that heads into the woods, stalks a deer, disregards it as likely having young, selects a different one, shoots it, field dresses it, humps it back out of the woods, et cetera... and feeds his family? No problem whatsoever with him. (But don't get me started on those people with the trail cameras, tree stands hanging over salt blocks, who sit up there waiting on the deer to show up to be shot, then return with a head/antlers and pat each other on the back about how great they are at the "sport".)
I'm not the kind of person that spends hours each day reading the Bible and memorizing the passages. But I have been known to open one (and several other religions' Books, too) and read "from time to time." It looks like the majority of the organized religions allow some form of consumption of animal products. Occasionally, even humorously so - like the time when the Pope declared that the world's largest rodent (up to 201 pounds, lol, but typically averaging around 100 pounds) was a fish in order to not alienate the new (and potential) converts to Catholocism in South America who, it seemed, weren't going to be told that they couldn't eat their favorite animal during certain times of the year. So religion doesn't cause me to have trouble with the concept of animal consumption.
There are those who hold that all animal life is sacred. Some of them still eat meat. There are those who feel that ALL life is sacred, regardless of which kingdom it happens to be classified under. As near as I can figure, killing a fish, a frog, a steak, a dog... is no different than killing a fly - or a corn plant.
I suppose, if I was forced to consider this aspect of the thing... That I'd concede that there's a moral issue involved with someone who refuses to kill animals for food but doesn't have a problem with slaughtering plants. But since I can't live without eating something from at least one of those sets of life forms, well... I don't have a problem with doing so from both.
Depending on the area. But, yes, it is much better these days in that regard.
The number one argument I came up with FOR the lifestyle was that there are waaaay too many people at this point to stretch the meat (so to speak) enough for everyone. A lack of resources, if you will. But that little issue... People either too stupid to have figured out where kids come from - or too stupid to care. It's still going to be the biggest and most catastrophic issue the world has ever known, whether we eat animal-based foods, vegetarian foods, or suck fungus from a vat (which is technology that is sorely needed, IMHO).
Give me a nice, thick, center-cut ribeye steak that came from a healthy, properly-fed cow, spend a few minutes pounding both sides with a meat tenderizer hammer, maybe (maybe) rub a few herbs and spices into it before doing the pounding, sear both sides in a HOT skillet, then finish cooking it under a lower temperature for a longer period of time (instead of thinking "well-done" just means turn up the fire and burn the poor thing) until the inside looks like it was cooked instead of merely wounded... Put that on my plate. OR pull something out of the vat, process it in such a way that it doesn't lose its nutritional value, and turn it into something that my senses cannot differentiate from that steak... And I won't care which one you put in front of me. Again, I'm not "anti-vegetarian." I'm not "anti-electric-vehicle," either. Give me one that I can drive from my house to, IDK... Pittsburgh and back and I'd be equally happy to drive it as an IC-engined vehicle. Or, if it cannot handle that little day trip on one charge, fine - give me one that I can stop halfway along, pull into a fueling station, and charge it back up while I'm inside emptying my bladder and looking for an original flavor Slim Jim. You know, two to five minutes. Back on the road, another few hundred miles. The ability to carry lots of cargo would be a plus, too, along with not having to consider whether or not running the A/C would leave me stranded short of my destination.
A little car that, realistically, can only make a trip of 50-70 miles, is HEAVY, expensive, must be plugged in for hours instead of a few minutes in order to completely recharge, having to either replace batteries after several years or live with the ~80% capacity... That works for some. It just won't work for me.
The substitute is fine with me if it is equal to or better than what it would be replacing. That's why I'm not opposed to the concept of vegetarianism, and why vegetarians don't bother me as long as they don't get religious about it.
Are you pregnant? Nursing a brood of young, lol? I didn't say that the ceasing the practice of consuming an omnivore's diet would make you dumb. Or, for that matter, that it'd make your unborn and/or still-nursing children dumb. I was talking about the development stages, and how statistically (IOW, over a reasonably-sized sample population) children born to mothers who ate a nutritionally complete diet that included animal products tend to have higher IQs. There were other things mentioned in the studies, too, aside from gross intelligence.
Were you fat before? Because being fat isn't exactly a sign of eating a good diet, regardless of what it consists of. Well... If you're an Eskimo and the fat is serving a valuable purpose (helping to keep you alive in extreme cold conditions) then I would consider it to be healthy, lol.
If I lost "so much" weight - or even, IDK, 20 pounds? - I could hide in a crowded elevator by turning sideways . People eat meat all over the world. Wait... Discounting poverty, the practice of eating meat in developed nations is not uncommon. But the world at large (lol) isn't fat. That seems to be a United States issue, mainly. How do you tell an "American" tourist at a restaurant? He's the one still eating. How do you tell an "American" tourist that's still at the counter in a restaurant? He's trying to explain to the cashier what "super-size it" means :rolleyes3 .
I am glad it's working for you. I am also glad that you've started eating a healthy diet in addition to the fact that you no longer consume meat products.
I do a bit of both. I probably ought to restrict myself with a much firmer hand. But I feel safe in the belief that if I go too far off the rails, someone will advise me.
AGREED!
I find this to be of interest. Do you mean that, not only do you not consume meat, you wish to not use things like their manure, either? I would love to discuss your reasoning for this, as long as it didn't boil down to "it feels wrong." (If that IS the case, well, I suppose that's fine - it'd just be pointless to debate it.)
Hey... They don't call me SweetSue for nothin'.
Truer words were never spoken. Err... Typed.
Awwww Ziggy, it was gonna be a surprise.
You're pretty good at surprises
.Oh, many, many things.
Seems to me that the trichomes can become damaged unless they are completely devoid of moisture. And that they don't seem to stick to the buds quite as well when everything is frozen. But I could be wrong, of course.
Was the person talking about doing this after the cure? Or was he simply not interested in curing his cannabis? And... mold and fungus? I've never had either grow on properly dried/cured bud. Of course, I've never allowed it to get wet and then put it away in that condition, either. If the guy was storing it outside in pillowcases during the local rainy season, OtOH... Yeah, the logic would then make sense. But so would not leaving it outside to get ruined.
People think that about ME all the time
Not ALL of it, but some. A lot, in relative terms. And I like the thought of using hard-walled containers for partial-vacuum storage as opposed to those vacuum-seal bags.
Well, with a true vacuum, it'd end up more or less evenly distributed, which would be helped by cell walls bursting.
But I strongly suspect that what is happening is not a true vacuum. That's kind of hard to create. If I ever have to repair a catastrophic leak in the A/C in Mom's car, I'll have to borrow a vacuum pump. That'll create a very low pressure environment. Most folks that do that kind of work professionally these days, I guess you're lucky if they run the pump for an hour. Old-school says, FBR (for best results), run it for 12 hours. Still not a true zero PSI vacuum, but it's safe to assume at that point that the vast overwhelming majority of moisture has been removed.
Those Seal-A-Meal things? Not a true vacuum. Pressure canning? Ditto. It's obviously what's called a partial vacuum - thus the *pop* sound when one opens a jar.
Or something like that, lol. I'm no scientist, regardless of the machines I may or may not have disassembled as a child.
Hmm... I wish my mind was working better today instead of leaving me feel vaguely like a halfwit.
How about grinding/chopping the cannabis into as fine a substance as you can, then rigging up a powerful vacuum pump, leave it running for 12 hours, and slowly dropping the temperature to "deep freeze" along the way? I can think of a couple of reasons why this probably isn't optimum (for one, what you'd end up with wouldn't be capable of a cure at that point). But it might be an interesting experiment for anyone in the audience who is a scientist (mad or otherwise). Decarboxylation, hmm... The cannabinoids in fresh cannabis all have an extra carboxyl ring or group (COOH) attached to their chain. So we use a little heat and time (or a lot of heat and more or less no time by just rolling it up and lighting the end of the joint, lol). I wonder if the above would provide for any decarboxylation? I'm thinking, "No." But playing with pressures (or lack thereof) under very cold temperatures can do some pretty amazing things. Like the many, many states that water can transform into under extreme pressure and extreme low temperature. So I really have no idea what'd occur if the cannabis got cold enough and the pressure became low enough (or, for that matter, high enough - hmm again
). But say you've just spend a few tens of thousands of dollars on a lab-quality ultra-low-temperature freezer, several more thousand on an industrial vacuum pump and related hardware, you've turned your cannabis into the finest powder, you've managed to figure out how to NOT see that powder immediately escape through the vacuum device, you set things up, come back the next day...
And what you've got hasn't gone through the process of decarboxylation. But it's a powder. You have some capsules. The THCA is all still merely THCA. Et cetera. It's not going to be psychoactive. But THCA still has anti-inflammatory and neuroprotective qualities. Huh. My Mom doesn't want to get high. I suggested it once, years ago, and almost ended up leaving "home" early over the... prolonged reaction. So, no, she doesn't want to get high. But she has a list of health issues. Including constant pain that is sometimes so extreme that she cannot keep her balance. I bet whatever mess came out of the experiment would provide some improvement in her life. HMM... Sometimes I'd like to have been a fly on the wall when that rat b@stard Sam the Skunkman and his HortaPharm were in discussions with GW Pharmaceuticals. When I think about all that, I mostly just think about... Well, if you ever get a chance, search for an article titled "Who is Doctor Frankenbeanstein?" I ranted about it a little in post #19 of this thread:
GMO Cannabis Concerns
I'm not sure where the condensation goes sue
Remember how, in the lower-pressure environment at high altitude, cooking directions are different because water boils at a lower temperature? Decrease the pressure enough and liquids pretty much boil off immediately after forming. So... Condensation doesn't "go" anywhere; there just isn't any at that pressure level.
Oh no! (Can I sit in your refrigerator for a little while, lol?)
Whew, indeed. Hey, I've always been under the impression that bud which has been frozen won't cure properly afterwards. Does anyone know whether this is true or merely a false assumption on my part?
Lo' and Slo' Dried Gummy!
..and Sue? please dont even think to start a thread "DrZiggy Miniaturization of Gummys"
You're supposed to cut the heads off before you shrink them.
How very sad. Not me. I try to learn something new, every single day. If I'm really lucky, I get it in before noon and can coast the rest of the day (just kidding). And as for saying it all, I'll probably have something to say tomorrow, too (probably not kidding
).I do have pretty strong opinions. But if those opinions are not challenged - and, yes, often successfully - then I might as well be all by myself on this planet.
Probably not going to win any points with this admission, but I'm not really bothered by any moral aspects. When I was dating the vegetarian, I tried to come around to her point of view. She was funny and hot, supporting herself whilst simultaneously taking more classes at the local college... and a vegetarian. So I listened to the arguments. I tried the dishes (many of the ones that weren't served as "meat substitutes" were okay). Mostly, all I knew was that I liked meat, lol - and that's not exactly a scientific basis for the thing. So I started hunting for information about why I should try to stop eating meat. Chicken farms? <SHUDDERS> A chicken isn't even considered to be an animal by those who write the regulations in this country, merely a food item (and having seen what domestic food-production chickens came from, and the difference, was sad). There were more... But all that showed, really, was the things that homo sapiens would do in order to support his/her greed. I learned that lesson before I ever reached the upper floor of my elementary school. But I kept trying. That's when I learned that our teeth aren't the teeth of an herbivore (or a carnivore, either). We have the teeth of an omnivore. And it's when I saw the studies regarding expecting and nursing mothers, diet, and the development & intelligence of their children. I was still trying to convince myself that I should become a vegetarian at this point. If for no other reason, well... You know those little white lies we routinely tell everyone from the next door neighbor, strangers we pass on the street... up to and including our spouses and/or partners? Yeah... I don't really do that. So I was beginning to feel the need to score some major relationship points.
Anyway... High-production chicken farmers. HATE them. Err... Those old folks who have chickens wandering around their yard - and into the road, lol? That only annoys me when I was driving and had to watch for the critters. Those chickens have a pretty good life. Sure - and then they die. <SHRUGS> Well, better enjoy every sandwich (err, sorry), bro, because like the late, great Warren Zevon said, "LIFE will kill 'ya. And then you're dead." I'd much prefer going out like one of those local farmers' birds than the way that I undoubtedly will, slowly, painfully, and without dignity. The guy that heads into the woods, stalks a deer, disregards it as likely having young, selects a different one, shoots it, field dresses it, humps it back out of the woods, et cetera... and feeds his family? No problem whatsoever with him. (But don't get me started on those people with the trail cameras, tree stands hanging over salt blocks, who sit up there waiting on the deer to show up to be shot, then return with a head/antlers and pat each other on the back about how great they are at the "sport".)
I'm not the kind of person that spends hours each day reading the Bible and memorizing the passages. But I have been known to open one (and several other religions' Books, too) and read "from time to time." It looks like the majority of the organized religions allow some form of consumption of animal products. Occasionally, even humorously so - like the time when the Pope declared that the world's largest rodent (up to 201 pounds, lol, but typically averaging around 100 pounds) was a fish in order to not alienate the new (and potential) converts to Catholocism in South America who, it seemed, weren't going to be told that they couldn't eat their favorite animal during certain times of the year. So religion doesn't cause me to have trouble with the concept of animal consumption.
There are those who hold that all animal life is sacred. Some of them still eat meat. There are those who feel that ALL life is sacred, regardless of which kingdom it happens to be classified under. As near as I can figure, killing a fish, a frog, a steak, a dog... is no different than killing a fly - or a corn plant.
I suppose, if I was forced to consider this aspect of the thing... That I'd concede that there's a moral issue involved with someone who refuses to kill animals for food but doesn't have a problem with slaughtering plants. But since I can't live without eating something from at least one of those sets of life forms, well... I don't have a problem with doing so from both.
Depending on the area. But, yes, it is much better these days in that regard.
The number one argument I came up with FOR the lifestyle was that there are waaaay too many people at this point to stretch the meat (so to speak) enough for everyone. A lack of resources, if you will. But that little issue... People either too stupid to have figured out where kids come from - or too stupid to care. It's still going to be the biggest and most catastrophic issue the world has ever known, whether we eat animal-based foods, vegetarian foods, or suck fungus from a vat (which is technology that is sorely needed, IMHO).
Give me a nice, thick, center-cut ribeye steak that came from a healthy, properly-fed cow, spend a few minutes pounding both sides with a meat tenderizer hammer, maybe (maybe) rub a few herbs and spices into it before doing the pounding, sear both sides in a HOT skillet, then finish cooking it under a lower temperature for a longer period of time (instead of thinking "well-done" just means turn up the fire and burn the poor thing) until the inside looks like it was cooked instead of merely wounded... Put that on my plate. OR pull something out of the vat, process it in such a way that it doesn't lose its nutritional value, and turn it into something that my senses cannot differentiate from that steak... And I won't care which one you put in front of me. Again, I'm not "anti-vegetarian." I'm not "anti-electric-vehicle," either. Give me one that I can drive from my house to, IDK... Pittsburgh and back and I'd be equally happy to drive it as an IC-engined vehicle. Or, if it cannot handle that little day trip on one charge, fine - give me one that I can stop halfway along, pull into a fueling station, and charge it back up while I'm inside emptying my bladder and looking for an original flavor Slim Jim. You know, two to five minutes. Back on the road, another few hundred miles. The ability to carry lots of cargo would be a plus, too, along with not having to consider whether or not running the A/C would leave me stranded short of my destination.
A little car that, realistically, can only make a trip of 50-70 miles, is HEAVY, expensive, must be plugged in for hours instead of a few minutes in order to completely recharge, having to either replace batteries after several years or live with the ~80% capacity... That works for some. It just won't work for me.
The substitute is fine with me if it is equal to or better than what it would be replacing. That's why I'm not opposed to the concept of vegetarianism, and why vegetarians don't bother me as long as they don't get religious about it.
Are you pregnant? Nursing a brood of young, lol? I didn't say that the ceasing the practice of consuming an omnivore's diet would make you dumb. Or, for that matter, that it'd make your unborn and/or still-nursing children dumb. I was talking about the development stages, and how statistically (IOW, over a reasonably-sized sample population) children born to mothers who ate a nutritionally complete diet that included animal products tend to have higher IQs. There were other things mentioned in the studies, too, aside from gross intelligence.
Were you fat before? Because being fat isn't exactly a sign of eating a good diet, regardless of what it consists of. Well... If you're an Eskimo and the fat is serving a valuable purpose (helping to keep you alive in extreme cold conditions) then I would consider it to be healthy, lol.
If I lost "so much" weight - or even, IDK, 20 pounds? - I could hide in a crowded elevator by turning sideways
. People eat meat all over the world. Wait... Discounting poverty, the practice of eating meat in developed nations is not uncommon. But the world at large (lol) isn't fat. That seems to be a United States issue, mainly. How do you tell an "American" tourist at a restaurant? He's the one still eating. How do you tell an "American" tourist that's still at the counter in a restaurant? He's trying to explain to the cashier what "super-size it" means :rolleyes3 .I am glad it's working for you. I am also glad that you've started eating a healthy diet in addition to the fact that you no longer consume meat products.
I do a bit of both. I probably ought to restrict myself with a much firmer hand. But I feel safe in the belief that if I go too far off the rails, someone will advise me.
AGREED!
I find this to be of interest. Do you mean that, not only do you not consume meat, you wish to not use things like their manure, either? I would love to discuss your reasoning for this, as long as it didn't boil down to "it feels wrong." (If that IS the case, well, I suppose that's fine - it'd just be pointless to debate it.)
NOTE: This is somewhat longer than my usual posts. And it's probably all over the place between feeling kind of mentally-challenged today and the myriad of interruptions I've experienced whilst working on it. And it might be about 99.5% off-topic. And it's probably also out of order, because I encountered some issues here.
Truer words were never spoken. Err... Typed.
You're pretty good at surprises
Oh, many, many things.
Seems to me that the trichomes can become damaged unless they are completely devoid of moisture. And that they don't seem to stick to the buds quite as well when everything is frozen. But I could be wrong, of course.
Was the person talking about doing this after the cure? Or was he simply not interested in curing his cannabis? And... mold and fungus? I've never had either grow on properly dried/cured bud. Of course, I've never allowed it to get wet and then put it away in that condition, either. If the guy was storing it outside in pillowcases during the local rainy season, OtOH... Yeah, the logic would then make sense. But so would not leaving it outside to get ruined.
People think that about ME all the time
Not ALL of it, but some. A lot, in relative terms. And I like the thought of using hard-walled containers for partial-vacuum storage as opposed to those vacuum-seal bags.
Well, with a true vacuum, it'd end up more or less evenly distributed, which would be helped by cell walls bursting.
But I strongly suspect that what is happening is not a true vacuum. That's kind of hard to create. If I ever have to repair a catastrophic leak in the A/C in Mom's car, I'll have to borrow a vacuum pump. That'll create a very low pressure environment. Most folks that do that kind of work professionally these days, I guess you're lucky if they run the pump for an hour. Old-school says, FBR (for best results), run it for 12 hours. Still not a true zero PSI vacuum, but it's safe to assume at that point that the vast overwhelming majority of moisture has been removed.
Those Seal-A-Meal things? Not a true vacuum. Pressure canning? Ditto. It's obviously what's called a partial vacuum - thus the *pop* sound when one opens a jar.
Or something like that, lol. I'm no scientist, regardless of the machines I may or may not have disassembled as a child.
Hmm... I wish my mind was working better today instead of leaving me feel vaguely like a halfwit.
How about grinding/chopping the cannabis into as fine a substance as you can, then rigging up a powerful vacuum pump, leave it running for 12 hours, and slowly dropping the temperature to "deep freeze" along the way? I can think of a couple of reasons why this probably isn't optimum (for one, what you'd end up with wouldn't be capable of a cure at that point). But it might be an interesting experiment for anyone in the audience who is a scientist (mad or otherwise). Decarboxylation, hmm... The cannabinoids in fresh cannabis all have an extra carboxyl ring or group (COOH) attached to their chain. So we use a little heat and time (or a lot of heat and more or less no time by just rolling it up and lighting the end of the joint, lol). I wonder if the above would provide for any decarboxylation? I'm thinking, "No." But playing with pressures (or lack thereof) under very cold temperatures can do some pretty amazing things. Like the many, many states that water can transform into under extreme pressure and extreme low temperature. So I really have no idea what'd occur if the cannabis got cold enough and the pressure became low enough (or, for that matter, high enough - hmm again
But say you've just spend a few tens of thousands of dollars on a lab-quality ultra-low-temperature freezer, several more thousand on an industrial vacuum pump and related hardware, you've turned your cannabis into the finest powder, you've managed to figure out how to NOT see that powder immediately escape through the vacuum device, you set things up, come back the next day...
And what you've got hasn't gone through the process of decarboxylation. But it's a powder. You have some capsules. The THCA is all still merely THCA. Et cetera. It's not going to be psychoactive. But THCA still has anti-inflammatory and neuroprotective qualities. Huh. My Mom doesn't want to get high. I suggested it once, years ago, and almost ended up leaving "home" early over the... prolonged reaction. So, no, she doesn't want to get high. But she has a list of health issues. Including constant pain that is sometimes so extreme that she cannot keep her balance. I bet whatever mess came out of the experiment would provide some improvement in her life. HMM... Sometimes I'd like to have been a fly on the wall when that rat b@stard Sam the Skunkman and his HortaPharm were in discussions with GW Pharmaceuticals. When I think about all that, I mostly just think about... Well, if you ever get a chance, search for an article titled "Who is Doctor Frankenbeanstein?" I ranted about it a little in post #19 of this thread:
GMO Cannabis Concerns
Remember how, in the lower-pressure environment at high altitude, cooking directions are different because water boils at a lower temperature? Decrease the pressure enough and liquids pretty much boil off immediately after forming. So... Condensation doesn't "go" anywhere; there just isn't any at that pressure level.
Oh no! (Can I sit in your refrigerator for a little while, lol?)
Whew, indeed. Hey, I've always been under the impression that bud which has been frozen won't cure properly afterwards. Does anyone know whether this is true or merely a false assumption on my part?
You're supposed to cut the heads off before you shrink them.
How very sad. Not me. I try to learn something new, every single day. If I'm really lucky, I get it in before noon and can coast the rest of the day (just kidding). And as for saying it all, I'll probably have something to say tomorrow, too (probably not kidding
I do have pretty strong opinions. But if those opinions are not challenged - and, yes, often successfully - then I might as well be all by myself on this planet.
Probably not going to win any points with this admission, but I'm not really bothered by any moral aspects. When I was dating the vegetarian, I tried to come around to her point of view. She was funny and hot, supporting herself whilst simultaneously taking more classes at the local college... and a vegetarian. So I listened to the arguments. I tried the dishes (many of the ones that weren't served as "meat substitutes" were okay). Mostly, all I knew was that I liked meat, lol - and that's not exactly a scientific basis for the thing. So I started hunting for information about why I should try to stop eating meat. Chicken farms? <SHUDDERS> A chicken isn't even considered to be an animal by those who write the regulations in this country, merely a food item (and having seen what domestic food-production chickens came from, and the difference, was sad). There were more... But all that showed, really, was the things that homo sapiens would do in order to support his/her greed. I learned that lesson before I ever reached the upper floor of my elementary school. But I kept trying. That's when I learned that our teeth aren't the teeth of an herbivore (or a carnivore, either). We have the teeth of an omnivore. And it's when I saw the studies regarding expecting and nursing mothers, diet, and the development & intelligence of their children. I was still trying to convince myself that I should become a vegetarian at this point. If for no other reason, well... You know those little white lies we routinely tell everyone from the next door neighbor, strangers we pass on the street... up to and including our spouses and/or partners? Yeah... I don't really do that. So I was beginning to feel the need to score some major relationship points.
Anyway... High-production chicken farmers. HATE them. Err... Those old folks who have chickens wandering around their yard - and into the road, lol? That only annoys me when I was driving and had to watch for the critters. Those chickens have a pretty good life. Sure - and then they die. <SHRUGS> Well, better enjoy every sandwich (err, sorry), bro, because like the late, great Warren Zevon said, "LIFE will kill 'ya. And then you're dead." I'd much prefer going out like one of those local farmers' birds than the way that I undoubtedly will, slowly, painfully, and without dignity. The guy that heads into the woods, stalks a deer, disregards it as likely having young, selects a different one, shoots it, field dresses it, humps it back out of the woods, et cetera... and feeds his family? No problem whatsoever with him. (But don't get me started on those people with the trail cameras, tree stands hanging over salt blocks, who sit up there waiting on the deer to show up to be shot, then return with a head/antlers and pat each other on the back about how great they are at the "sport".)
I'm not the kind of person that spends hours each day reading the Bible and memorizing the passages. But I have been known to open one (and several other religions' Books, too) and read "from time to time." It looks like the majority of the organized religions allow some form of consumption of animal products. Occasionally, even humorously so - like the time when the Pope declared that the world's largest rodent (up to 201 pounds, lol, but typically averaging around 100 pounds) was a fish in order to not alienate the new (and potential) converts to Catholocism in South America who, it seemed, weren't going to be told that they couldn't eat their favorite animal during certain times of the year. So religion doesn't cause me to have trouble with the concept of animal consumption.
There are those who hold that all animal life is sacred. Some of them still eat meat. There are those who feel that ALL life is sacred, regardless of which kingdom it happens to be classified under. As near as I can figure, killing a fish, a frog, a steak, a dog... is no different than killing a fly - or a corn plant.
I suppose, if I was forced to consider this aspect of the thing... That I'd concede that there's a moral issue involved with someone who refuses to kill animals for food but doesn't have a problem with slaughtering plants. But since I can't live without eating something from at least one of those sets of life forms, well... I don't have a problem with doing so from both.
Depending on the area. But, yes, it is much better these days in that regard.
The number one argument I came up with FOR the lifestyle was that there are waaaay too many people at this point to stretch the meat (so to speak) enough for everyone. A lack of resources, if you will. But that little issue... People either too stupid to have figured out where kids come from - or too stupid to care. It's still going to be the biggest and most catastrophic issue the world has ever known, whether we eat animal-based foods, vegetarian foods, or suck fungus from a vat (which is technology that is sorely needed, IMHO).
Give me a nice, thick, center-cut ribeye steak that came from a healthy, properly-fed cow, spend a few minutes pounding both sides with a meat tenderizer hammer, maybe (maybe) rub a few herbs and spices into it before doing the pounding, sear both sides in a HOT skillet, then finish cooking it under a lower temperature for a longer period of time (instead of thinking "well-done" just means turn up the fire and burn the poor thing) until the inside looks like it was cooked instead of merely wounded... Put that on my plate. OR pull something out of the vat, process it in such a way that it doesn't lose its nutritional value, and turn it into something that my senses cannot differentiate from that steak... And I won't care which one you put in front of me. Again, I'm not "anti-vegetarian." I'm not "anti-electric-vehicle," either. Give me one that I can drive from my house to, IDK... Pittsburgh and back and I'd be equally happy to drive it as an IC-engined vehicle. Or, if it cannot handle that little day trip on one charge, fine - give me one that I can stop halfway along, pull into a fueling station, and charge it back up while I'm inside emptying my bladder and looking for an original flavor Slim Jim. You know, two to five minutes. Back on the road, another few hundred miles. The ability to carry lots of cargo would be a plus, too, along with not having to consider whether or not running the A/C would leave me stranded short of my destination.
A little car that, realistically, can only make a trip of 50-70 miles, is HEAVY, expensive, must be plugged in for hours instead of a few minutes in order to completely recharge, having to either replace batteries after several years or live with the ~80% capacity... That works for some. It just won't work for me.
The substitute is fine with me if it is equal to or better than what it would be replacing. That's why I'm not opposed to the concept of vegetarianism, and why vegetarians don't bother me as long as they don't get religious about it.
Are you pregnant? Nursing a brood of young, lol? I didn't say that the ceasing the practice of consuming an omnivore's diet would make you dumb. Or, for that matter, that it'd make your unborn and/or still-nursing children dumb. I was talking about the development stages, and how statistically (IOW, over a reasonably-sized sample population) children born to mothers who ate a nutritionally complete diet that included animal products tend to have higher IQs. There were other things mentioned in the studies, too, aside from gross intelligence.
Were you fat before? Because being fat isn't exactly a sign of eating a good diet, regardless of what it consists of. Well... If you're an Eskimo and the fat is serving a valuable purpose (helping to keep you alive in extreme cold conditions) then I would consider it to be healthy, lol.
If I lost "so much" weight - or even, IDK, 20 pounds? - I could hide in a crowded elevator by turning sideways
I am glad it's working for you. I am also glad that you've started eating a healthy diet in addition to the fact that you no longer consume meat products.
I do a bit of both. I probably ought to restrict myself with a much firmer hand. But I feel safe in the belief that if I go too far off the rails, someone will advise me.
AGREED!
I find this to be of interest. Do you mean that, not only do you not consume meat, you wish to not use things like their manure, either? I would love to discuss your reasoning for this, as long as it didn't boil down to "it feels wrong." (If that IS the case, well, I suppose that's fine - it'd just be pointless to debate it.)
Wow that had to be a record lol
To tell you the truth, it was lengthy enough that it bothered me a little. But the fact that you just produced an even longer post by quoting the entire thing took that worry away. So... thanks, I guess
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To tell you the truth, it was lengthy enough that it bothered me a little. But the fact that you just produced an even longer post by quoting the entire thing took that worry away. So... thanks, I guess
Oh sour are we? Was just a joke man my bad . didn't mean to upset ya .
Relax, there was no malice intended. I wasn't upset because... Several reasons, actually. I try to read a book on an average day, so it's not like a few paragraphs are going to cause an anxiety attack, lol. And I got the joke (and laughed - or I wouldn't have responded to you). Besides, I didn't need to read through the quoted text because I'd just posted the original. And my Page Down key works fine
.So... No, not sour today. I'd like to eat a lemon, but I'm out and the ones at the grocery store were small, expensive, and overly soft. Plus, while I don't usually add salt to my food (except for a little if called for when cooking), when I eat a lemon I end up slicing it and completely covering each slice with salt. That prevents the feeling that someone just stabbed me in the pivot points of my jaw with a stout piece of metal. (And it tastes good
). But it's probably not what you'd consider a healthy way to eat a lemon.No hard feelings, I hope. That certainly wasn't the reaction I was aiming for.
Relax, there was no malice intended. I wasn't upset because... Several reasons, actually. I try to read a book on an average day, so it's not like a few paragraphs are going to cause an anxiety attack, lol. And I got the joke (and laughed - or I wouldn't have responded to you). Besides, I didn't need to read through the quoted text because I'd just posted the original. And my Page Down key works fine
So... No, not sour today. I'd like to eat a lemon, but I'm out and the ones at the grocery store were small, expensive, and overly soft. Plus, while I don't usually add salt to my food (except for a little if called for when cooking), when I eat a lemon I end up slicing it and completely covering each slice with salt. That prevents the feeling that someone just stabbed me in the pivot points of my jaw with a stout piece of metal. (And it tastes good
No hard feelings, I hope. That certainly wasn't the reaction I was aiming for.
It's all good torture I still love ya bro ....
EWW I mean that's cool .
See, in real life, people think nothing of asking, "Hey, ~TS~, how about if you stop talking long enough to breathe?"
I hope that NO one, EVER (regardless of the venue and medium of communication) feels prohibited from doing so. (And that they'll understand that I tend to need the occasional reminder, lol.)
.See, in real life, people think nothing of asking, "Hey, ~TS~, how about if you stop talking long enough to breathe?"
I hope that NO one, EVER (regardless of the venue and medium of communication) feels prohibited from doing so. (And that they'll understand that I tend to need the occasional reminder, lol.)