Bluter's Happy Home For Hilarious Hempsters

[Azimuth]

Hey Bluter,

I just finished reading thru the HH thread so thought I'd mosey on over and check out your journal. Great work, man!

When you did your hempy clones, did you leave them under the dome until they rooted, or something else? And about how long did they take to take?

I'm just starting up the hempy lifestyle now and trying to get a feel for things.

Thanks.

Azi

 

[bluter]

When you did your hempy clones, did you leave them under the dome until they rooted, or something else? And about how long did they take to take?

my hempy cup "domes" are pretty open so they get a lot of air exposure. they are usually ready to come off 10 - 12 days in. i'm pretty well set 14 days in after taking the cuttings unless i have to re-veg the cuttings. then all bets are off.

i can let them sit in the cups for another wk of so after rooting. anything past that and i will run in to issues. i'm wary of root rot in hempy, and root rot can set in early with clones.

cloning in hempy is super easy. i've made clones for others who simply transplanted to other media. it's very friendly that way

I'm just starting up the hempy lifestyle now and trying to get a feel for things.

it's a laid back growing approach. closest to compare would be coco. hempy is also the cheapest way i have ever grown as far as inputs. it's quite cost effective so long as you choose a good nute line.

aside from the tent and the light, everything else can be had at the dollar store. you can re-use the perlite, but i get mine in bulk so cheap, it's easier to mix the used stuff in to the garden.

 

[Azimuth]

i can let them sit in the cups for another wk of so after rooting. anything past that and i will run in to issues. i'm wary of root rot in hempy, and root rot can set in early with clones.

Ok, thanks. I've not heard anyone else talk about root rot in hempys. I figured with all the air in the media and frequent rez changes that that wouldn't be an issue. But you've found otherwise?

 

[bluter]

it's not rampant, but i keep an eye out.

i'm totally rootbound top to bottom by the time i'm in flower. running that way with a res always leaves the possibility depending on other conditions.

i had it once in hempy cause i was held up in veg too long. the fix was a simple matter of cutting the roots way back, and up potting. i got a monster haul out of it in the end.

 

[FelipeBlu]

I think root rot is more likely if you mix vermiculite into the perlite (the OG hempy) - it just retains too much. Unless you are growing outdoors in a pretty arid climate, I believe you are better off leaving the vermiculite out.

And as Bluter indicated, with any medium, I think you want to try to time your last pre-flower up-pot so that the plant isn’t rootbound after the majority of stretch is done (which extends roots as well as branches). The roots will continue to fill the medium after stretch, but you want the plant to have enough room to do so without becoming rootbound too soon.

 

[bluter]

I think you want to try to time your last pre-flower up-pot so that the plant isn’t rootbound after the majority of stretch is done (which extends roots as well as branches). The roots will continue to fill the medium after stretch, but you want the plant to have enough room to do so without becoming rootbound too soon.

that's about right. it won't matter though, i've root bound everything but the bigger buckets indoor. you only really flower the top third in most canopies. unless outdoor the lower stuff won't get what it needs to develop. the bigger buckets don't offer an advantage.

i pull the same weight if i run 6 - 8 2L buckets, as i do if i run 4 - 5 5L buckets. the canopy is the same when stuffed in a 4 x 4. i find bigger buckets not useful when running indoor hempy. plus i can veg and turn the smaller buckets around for another grow faster.

in the end i can produce more yr over yr in the smaller ones.

 

[FelipeBlu]

Makes sense. I believe hempy was “originally“ intended for 2L soda bottles in SOG.

I have found the same from my experience - everything is eventually rootbound and you are fertigating daily.

I’m still working on the timing, but I think up-potting from solo to 2 gallon, if done about a week before flip, fills most of the perlite by a week or two after the end of stretch. Then I’m only fertigating daily for the last 4 weeks or so.

 

[bluter]

Makes sense. I believe hempy was “originally“ intended for 2L soda bottles in SOG.

that's exactly what it was for. i've run hempys to finish in well under a ltr. i could probably run 20 - 24 or so in a 4 x 4 at 750 Ml.
i do know folk local doing an aggressive perp sog in hempy. good few lbs/mth. small intensive commercial grow.

for the rest of us at some point the bigger buckets just get in the way.

I have found the same from my experience - everything is eventually rootbound and you are fertigating daily.

I’m still working on the timing, but I think up-potting from solo to 2 gallon, if done about a week before flip, fills most of the perlite by a week or two after the end of stretch. Then I’m only fertigating daily for the last 4 weeks or so.

that's about where i'm at. i usually am feeding daily by end of veg or wk 2 after flip. no later.

 

[Azimuth]

I’m still working on the timing, but I think up-potting from solo to 2 gallon, if done about a week before flip, fills most of the perlite by a week or two after the end of stretch. Then I’m only fertigating daily for the last 4 weeks or so.

What do you think is a good pot size for flowering in a 12" x 18" space? Is 2 gal too big?

 

[bluter]

sorry 1 foot by 1 and a half ?
stick to a 2L if so.

 

[Azimuth]

Yes, small cabinet grow. And all of 36" of headroom.

Actually 36" wide as well, but I want to do a three plant perpetual. So each gets 12" wide by 18" deep. And probably will be mainlining them to keep 'em in check.

 

[bluter]

Yes, small cabinet grow. And all of 36" of headroom.

Actually 36" wide as well, but I want to do a three plant perpetual. So each gets 12" wide by 18" deep. And probably will be mainlining them to keep 'em in check.

what's the actual space 1 x 3 or 2 x 3 ?
you can fill a 2 x 3 with 2 - 3 2L hempys. four if you flip early and keep them small.
you'll need to run 2 spaces for a perp. perps need both a veg and a flower space.

 

[Azimuth]

what's the actual space 1 x 3 or 2 x 3 ?
you can fill a 2 x 3 with 2 - 3 2L hempys. four if you flip early and keep them small.
you'll need to run 2 spaces for a perp. perps need both a veg and a flower space.

The inside footprint is 1.5' deep x 3' wide. It's a converted TV cabinet. Has flower space up top with about 36" of headroom, veg space below with about 18". Not great but that's what have to work with.

And you thought your space was tight.

I want to flower three across, so each plant gets 12" wide by 18" deep. Whether they need it all or not.

So I'll add one new plant a month for three months, then harvest one and promote one from the veg space below each month for the rest of my natural life.

 

[bluter]

The inside footprint is 1.5' deep x 3' wide. It's a converted TV cabinet. Has flower space up top with about 36" of headroom, veg space below with about 18". Not great but that's what have to work with.

is that total room from floor to ceiling ? or head room ?
you might want to take in to account the height of the buckets

And you thought your space was tight.

i'm only using about 2/3 of my head room. i lift the plants on a floating floor of shelving units. i try to run small pants on purpose.

I want to flower three across, so each plant gets 12" wide by 18" deep. Whether they need it all or not.

for comparison, my 2L hempys will avg 24 inches to 3 ft tall not including the height of the bucket. the buckets add another 6 inches or so.

So I'll add one new plant a month for three months, then harvest one and promote one from the veg space below each month for the rest of my natural life.

you'll either need to mono-crop 1 strain or choose strains that mature in very similar windows. i have had to approach stuff this way as well. getting everything is a row can be tough, as the plants work on their timetable, not yours.

if you can work both rooms well, and have a separate area to hang and dry, you should be able to just rotate through as stuff matures. your flower room will never shut then. you might have to run a plant less to make it though.

 

[Azimuth]

The 36" is floor to ceiling and my pots are about 6" as well. I figure less veg time will help with the height issue? I'm thinking flower them as soon as the mainline structure is set. That will, of course, affect yield but that's what I'll have to do with what I have to work with.

I do have a third small "utility" cab that measures 24" wide x 12" deep x 24" high that I plan to use for hanging and drying as well as temporary isolation in the case of gifted clones, etc. I've got it set up with lighting and a filter already.

I have mostly indicated strains that are supposed to be on the shorter end of flowering times so, with a 12 week total window, I'm hoping that gives me enough cushion for some variation in bloom times.

 

[Azimuth]

What dilution and frequency are you using for your H2O2 flush? I'm thinking of doing a weekly flush to keep the nasties at bay as much as I can.

I think earlier in the thread you said you soak for 20mins or so, but I couldn't find the passage. Do I have that right?

 

[bluter]

What dilution and frequency are you using for your H2O2 flush?

it depends completely on what nute line i'm running. i'm currently on MC, which greatly reduces the need for an h202 flush. i might do one or two in veg and one in flower. i don't think i did one at all on the last run.

I'm thinking of doing a weekly flush to keep the nasties at bay as much as I can.

your nute line will determine if you are able to do that. i'm not sure what you are running.

hempy is less susceptible to a lot of issues, it doesn't mean they won't happen, it's just harder for pests and things to get a foot hold than in either soil or coco.

what are you having issues with ?

I think earlier in the thread you said you soak for 20mins or so, but I couldn't find the passage. Do I have that right?

i plug the drain hole in the bucket and let the plants soak for anywhere from 5 to 20 minutes when feeding or doing a water based flush.

a 'flush' in hempy is just a soak with the plug added.

i run 29% h202 any where from 2ml/L to 5ml/L depending on what i'm trying to do. i have done stronger mixes when eradicating pests.

 

[Azimuth]

Not having any issues, but don't want any root rot so thought a periodic h2o2 flush would be a good preventative.

My "nute line" is home grown organics. I'm trying various plant sugar and water ferments to extract the nutrients. Still dialing it in, but getting closer.

 

[FelipeBlu]

My "nute line" is home grown organics. I'm trying various plant sugar and water ferments to extract the nutrients. Still dialing it in, but getting closer.

Okay, this got my attention..

 

[bluter]

Not having any issues, but don't want any root rot so thought a periodic h2o2 flush would be a good preventative.

it won't hurt.

rot is not a huge issue in hempy. most plants in hempy will actually get a little by finish, but the plant won't even care, and it never really progresses above the res.

My "nute line" is home grown organics. I'm trying various plant sugar and water ferments to extract the nutrients. Still dialing it in, but getting closer.

the nute choice would be largest promoter of rot in this scenario.

you can use organic nutes in hempy if they are already available to the plant. a great deal of organic nutes require breaking down in the media by microbial action in the soil. you are missing the microbial action, which can't be replicated in hempy.

the plant will have to survive off what is immediately available.