Looks good under the natural light. They definitely needed a break!
Bluter's Happy Home For Hilarious Hempsters
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they took a big topping a couple days ago.
i pulled the feed back to make head room for some calmag and still wound up hot at ec 1.2. that's where i normally shoot for flower. i've been starting with calmag at an ec of .25.
a quick check of the nute alone has it mixing hotter than the feed chart. i rechecked the ec meter, and it's in spec, so it's the nute itself running a bit hot. a read on the plants says they are fine, but i'm worried about the cumulative effect of running so hot when i get into flower.
i ran the nute back an extra half gram and dropped the calmag by a third. i'll check ec before next feed, but i'm probably letting it roll as is unless i see other problems.
one of the gelato has a super weak side on the nodes.
it comes in super poor all the way up one side. i debated letting it run normal with no topping but decided i'd try it anyway. the other gelato is similar but not as pronounced. the bad one is the plant that drove the calmag issue.
i pulled the feed back to make head room for some calmag and still wound up hot at ec 1.2. that's where i normally shoot for flower. i've been starting with calmag at an ec of .25.
a quick check of the nute alone has it mixing hotter than the feed chart. i rechecked the ec meter, and it's in spec, so it's the nute itself running a bit hot. a read on the plants says they are fine, but i'm worried about the cumulative effect of running so hot when i get into flower.
i ran the nute back an extra half gram and dropped the calmag by a third. i'll check ec before next feed, but i'm probably letting it roll as is unless i see other problems.
one of the gelato has a super weak side on the nodes.
it comes in super poor all the way up one side. i debated letting it run normal with no topping but decided i'd try it anyway. the other gelato is similar but not as pronounced. the bad one is the plant that drove the calmag issue.
I wish I had your temperature! And that's in a (somewhat) insulated grow space, FFS.
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i actually run a little heater in there. haven't needed it lately. my rh could come down a touch but i'm ok with it for now.
I did a little dry run with an LED panel that was turned way down to 240 watts, and it was 100°F within six hours. And that wasn't even directly under the light, it was next to the space in my bedroom. So I'm wondering, if I go through with this lunacy, do I leave the fan in the bedroom, and let the plants be in danger of expiring - or move it back into the grow space... and take that particular danger onto myself? 
If it drops into the 50s overnight, it'salmost pleasant only mildly unpleasant in here in the morning before the sunlight turns the place into an Easy-Bake oven for the day. But that's without running the fancy Chinese heater, and I doubt I'll see 59°F again before the end of October at the earliest.
And I can't remember ever being really comfortable if it was above maybe 72° (if the RH was low) unless there happened to be a good stiff breeze cooling my sweat. <SHRUGS> It's a family thing. I'm already not sleeping well, I assume because this year, I don't have to actually be doing something strenuous like, well, walking up a short set of steps, to be panting as I struggle for air. It's kind of a... you know... it gets a person down. Normally, by July, I'm basically not sleeping for two to three+ days at a time, then I crash from exhaustion for a few hours. IDK what it'll be like this year, but I cannot imagine that I'll like it. HtH do people manage in the southern part of the USA, and the tropics?
I guess it's good that some of those seeds have a bit of sativa in them, lol.
Ah, well. Maybe my government will tire of rolling onto its back and presenting its belly to the PRC, and there will be war. If so, some dipsh!t on one side or the other (or the other other) will probably set the world hop skip and jumping down the path to a few years of ~35°F colder weather. But even that silver lining comes with a cloud - afterwards, the few billion corpses and all the other dead organic material would thaw out and decay, and then we'd have some seriously hot weather. Well, however much was left after we ate all we could in the fight against starvation from several years of no Summers, followed immediately by the rather extreme challenge of growing crops with no real ozone layer left to block UV (the sun really does produce a lot of it, but the O₃ layer blocks approximately 98% of the stuff). But I'd be cool for a while! If I was still here, I guess. And if my town was no longer near the top of the secondary target list, which I'm uncertain about. Maybe I shouldn't hope for a break, after all? IDFK. . . .
If it drops into the 50s overnight, it's
And I can't remember ever being really comfortable if it was above maybe 72° (if the RH was low) unless there happened to be a good stiff breeze cooling my sweat. <SHRUGS> It's a family thing. I'm already not sleeping well, I assume because this year, I don't have to actually be doing something strenuous like, well, walking up a short set of steps, to be panting as I struggle for air. It's kind of a... you know... it gets a person down. Normally, by July, I'm basically not sleeping for two to three+ days at a time, then I crash from exhaustion for a few hours. IDK what it'll be like this year, but I cannot imagine that I'll like it. HtH do people manage in the southern part of the USA, and the tropics?
I guess it's good that some of those seeds have a bit of sativa in them, lol.
Ah, well. Maybe my government will tire of rolling onto its back and presenting its belly to the PRC, and there will be war. If so, some dipsh!t on one side or the other (or the other other) will probably set the world hop skip and jumping down the path to a few years of ~35°F colder weather. But even that silver lining comes with a cloud - afterwards, the few billion corpses and all the other dead organic material would thaw out and decay, and then we'd have some seriously hot weather. Well, however much was left after we ate all we could in the fight against starvation from several years of no Summers, followed immediately by the rather extreme challenge of growing crops with no real ozone layer left to block UV (the sun really does produce a lot of it, but the O₃ layer blocks approximately 98% of the stuff). But I'd be cool for a while! If I was still here, I guess. And if my town was no longer near the top of the secondary target list, which I'm uncertain about. Maybe I shouldn't hope for a break, after all? IDFK. . . .
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we're dropping by a good 15c at night. it gets a bit under 10c, so the swing between the extremes can be a problem for the plants.
the veg room is actually heated, but it's so poor that it needs the space heater no matter what in winter. the environment gets pretty stable with the heater, the extra insulation, and the light working together. normally i have to shut it down at the height of summer, but things aren't working my way this year.
the veg room is actually heated, but it's so poor that it needs the space heater no matter what in winter. the environment gets pretty stable with the heater, the extra insulation, and the light working together. normally i have to shut it down at the height of summer, but things aren't working my way this year.
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the hempys are filling in nicely.
they haven't needed a feed for a bit. can probably stretch them another day or 2 right now. i'm gonna have to take out the bottom node soon and get them ready for the cage.
they're doing great but the one gelato can't get enough calmag. i could feed it straight. i think i'm gonna bs add some extra just to that one. it won't work for a feed chart. i can do increments under a gram. i'll just add an extra half to full gram on that one and see what happens.
edit : i'm only running about 75% on the 200w rig. when it gets to 18in under the light i'll give the rig a raise and increase to 90% for the rest of the way.
they haven't needed a feed for a bit. can probably stretch them another day or 2 right now. i'm gonna have to take out the bottom node soon and get them ready for the cage.
they're doing great but the one gelato can't get enough calmag. i could feed it straight. i think i'm gonna bs add some extra just to that one. it won't work for a feed chart. i can do increments under a gram. i'll just add an extra half to full gram on that one and see what happens.
edit : i'm only running about 75% on the 200w rig. when it gets to 18in under the light i'll give the rig a raise and increase to 90% for the rest of the way.
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boy it's a quiet friday here. board just doesn't seem as active anymore. good time for a lazy update. get in before a pile of wkend posts.
state of the hempys today.
everyone doing well after the top. decided to feed today and take the bottom nodes out.
i coulda waited maybe another day, but i'm going out overnight on a show and i wanted the nodes out before they
were over developed. likely let them run a deeper dry out before the next feed.
the snip gave me a bit more room to feed. note the curve at the bottom of this acapulco. it came up that way as a seedling and did not want to correct at up pot so i left it. i've already cut the bottom node off, now i need the stalk to thicken a bit.
here's a quick note on up potting hempys. pricier la di dah perlite comes sized, normally from 03 to 10 or higher. the number is supposed to represent the width of each perlite rock in mm.
cheap ass or regular folk perlite comes in a big ass bag and you get what you get. it's often what is left over after the champagne crowd has had their shit sifted out. but is at least a lot cheaper.
if you use the normal folk stuff like i do, make sure you fill your hempy pots up to almost the top when up potting from the hempy cup. this is why ...
the first reason is cheer for a better team lol
the second is notice how far down the perlite is from the top of the pot. when up potted it was much higher. a bit less than an inch. but because i used cheap perlite, the size of the rocks was much smaller, and it settled down much further than the expensive stuff after feeding a few times.
so, if you use a commercial sized bag like i do, make sure you fill the pot close to the top when you up pot. i can probably add later, but it would be easier if the plant was higher up for feeding now.
my ec is still too high. i pulled the feed back and dropped the calmag by a third, but it continues tossing my stones. i'm a full .15 to .20 over even after pulling the nutes back. i fed it anyway.
both gelato improved dramatic but still give me a slight calmag look.
the younger stuff is coming in stronger so it could just be the main fans. i'd like the whole thing more even though.
my favorite plant is an acapulco with a sativa pheno lean. it's oddly shorter than the more indica looking phenos, and it feels all the calmag and n.
can see it starting to show claw, which is why i pulled things back for everyone. this thing is loud. you can't look close without it screaming hello. it's a definite contender already for clones or a mother if i was going that way.
it also has a deep sawtooth blade. always considered it a good sign on the sativa.
sharp enough to cut ya lol
everyone else is checking in good and healthy.
plan is to keep a watch for any more claw and mostly hold the line.
they seem relatively content so i don't want to get too involved at the moment.
the cages are going to have to go on in about a wk and i'll have to start some training. i've got the light a bit higher and am looking for a little stretch to help til then.
state of the hempys today.
everyone doing well after the top. decided to feed today and take the bottom nodes out.
i coulda waited maybe another day, but i'm going out overnight on a show and i wanted the nodes out before they
were over developed. likely let them run a deeper dry out before the next feed.
the snip gave me a bit more room to feed. note the curve at the bottom of this acapulco. it came up that way as a seedling and did not want to correct at up pot so i left it. i've already cut the bottom node off, now i need the stalk to thicken a bit.
here's a quick note on up potting hempys. pricier la di dah perlite comes sized, normally from 03 to 10 or higher. the number is supposed to represent the width of each perlite rock in mm.
cheap ass or regular folk perlite comes in a big ass bag and you get what you get. it's often what is left over after the champagne crowd has had their shit sifted out. but is at least a lot cheaper.
if you use the normal folk stuff like i do, make sure you fill your hempy pots up to almost the top when up potting from the hempy cup. this is why ...
the first reason is cheer for a better team lol
the second is notice how far down the perlite is from the top of the pot. when up potted it was much higher. a bit less than an inch. but because i used cheap perlite, the size of the rocks was much smaller, and it settled down much further than the expensive stuff after feeding a few times.
so, if you use a commercial sized bag like i do, make sure you fill the pot close to the top when you up pot. i can probably add later, but it would be easier if the plant was higher up for feeding now.
my ec is still too high. i pulled the feed back and dropped the calmag by a third, but it continues tossing my stones. i'm a full .15 to .20 over even after pulling the nutes back. i fed it anyway.
both gelato improved dramatic but still give me a slight calmag look.
the younger stuff is coming in stronger so it could just be the main fans. i'd like the whole thing more even though.
my favorite plant is an acapulco with a sativa pheno lean. it's oddly shorter than the more indica looking phenos, and it feels all the calmag and n.
can see it starting to show claw, which is why i pulled things back for everyone. this thing is loud. you can't look close without it screaming hello. it's a definite contender already for clones or a mother if i was going that way.
it also has a deep sawtooth blade. always considered it a good sign on the sativa.
sharp enough to cut ya lol
everyone else is checking in good and healthy.
plan is to keep a watch for any more claw and mostly hold the line.
they seem relatively content so i don't want to get too involved at the moment.
the cages are going to have to go on in about a wk and i'll have to start some training. i've got the light a bit higher and am looking for a little stretch to help til then.
... note the curve at the bottom of this acapulco. it came up that way as a seedling and did not want to correct at up pot so i left it. i've already cut the bottom node off, now i need the stalk to thicken a bit.
My Blackberry MoonRocks was that way too. Had the gangster lean going on. Didn't hurt a thing.
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i messed around with it a bit in the hempy cup and at up pot but it was simply comfortable the way she is. it keeps straightening to the light, so i let it decide now.
Is that one plant lacking calcium? Or, alternatively, receiving too much magnesium (and/or phosphorous), causing a partial Ca lockout? EDIT: Not transpiring enough water could also produce the same effect. Not really something I normally think of, this time of year, but you have a more comfortable climate than I do. I think this is a big part of why people started thinking plants grown under LED needed more calcium when LED lighting was first becoming popular. And, since a lot of the gardeners buying them were newbies who thought "CaMg" was one element, lol, they were also adding more magnesium while they were attempting to address the calcium deficiency, which might have caused them to end up thinking they needed even more Ca than they actually did, due to the relationship between the two elements and the fact that adding more of both when the plant was only deficient in one... wasn't really getting things back into the proper ratio, in regards to how much of each the plant could access. Or something, lol, too hot to think.
Do you use anything like Bluemats when you're out of the house?
Do you use anything like Bluemats when you're out of the house?
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it's always possible. i'd expect to see more dramatic problems, and they all trended thin until i got ahead of the feed schedule.
they haven't been feeding as heavy as i normally expect for this time of year. it's been more humid, but overall growth has been good and is increasing.
led sure seems to pull more out. everyone i knew started under mh/hps. we're all under led now, and we all seem to use more calmag. i notice it more in hempy than when i ran hp type mixes.
no, i don't use anything like that. i can get 2 - 3 days before feeding. it's rare i'd be more than 3 away. i could stretch it to 4 without much trouble at the moment.
Ooph! Beautiful clean setup Bluter!
How was the teip?
Nick
How was the teip?
Nick
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i'm kind of embarrassed by it as it has got of loads junk i'm storing in there lol
if you mean temps i'm sitting consistent in the mid 20's.
edit : if you mean trip i'm not back yet. we're a couple hours away from the start of the show. we go up at 9 tonight. it's always cool to see how they did when i get back. i'm worried i should have caged them before going.
I hope the trip and the temps both went well!
Do you rinse your perlite first? I find a lot of powder washes out, which may be why yours settles so much after a few waterings.
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everything needed a bit of work by the time i got back. i put the cages on ahead of time, and decided to feed early, as i might have to go out of town again right when they would want another.
this gelato will give you an idea of how they have jumped recent.
this one has worked through the calmag issues and looks well set into veg. i pulled both the nute and the amount of calmag back for this feed and checked it against ec. it's running hotter than i want by about .15 ec , which corresponds to the calmag i am adding. i'm letting ride for now as there isn't widespread claw nor am i seeing massively waxy leaves.
this one acapulco is really compact. shows structure far more like an indica, even though the leaves are leaning sativa.
the second acapulco is similar but a bit more stretched out.
they are gonna need a minor defol and some lollipoping later in veg. growing out the nodes i do means i always have one shaded by a main fan, i'll probably take them out when the plant is a bit bigger if the node has trouble growing past.
i'm also on heightened pest patrol. i've never had a summer grow go without some sort of trouble. usually mites. nothing so far except a couple leaves that may gotten a munch, but i'm pretty sure it's actually damage i caused as i couldn't find a culprit. getting some hotshots this wk and may run one for a time as preventative. as long as i can get them through veg clean i stand a chance.
example of what i'm checking
there are some tissue holes like this which typically occur when a plant grows too fast for the leaf to keep up. other times it rips at the leaf edges.
there's a little of both there. only happens with a dramatic growth spurt.
this is the plant
it's heading for the hoop. plan is to have them flipping as the majority get past that first hoop. hoping to have them finish by the top of the second.
the cages make things really easy to move around and work on. it's a very low stress method for training as well. the one drawback is i can't chop and hang the whole plant easily at harvest, which i like to do. i'll have better rh though, so i may not need to hang whole.
the gelato that caused all my grief early has gone on to be an oddball plant. it has a dominant alternating node on one side at each stage.
the tallest branch you see there is from the bottom at node 2
i'm not sure it was even worth topping this thing as the dominant node at stage 4 is essentially the top anyway.
at least it's gotten through the calmag and feed issues and is in the green. i'll get rid of the ugly leaves at some point. it's a bit of a salad right now.
will get them cleaned up and see what the structure is like in a wk or so.
we went from swing temps and unsettled, to extreme heat and hail / tornado producing thunderstorms, in the space of ten days. outdoor environment is a roller coaster right now. it's 31c outdoor and 25c and change in the grow space. my rh shot from low 30's to 72%, indoor i've got it rolling at 65% which at least a minimum acceptable.
plants really seem to like it. they are exploding in growth but it's not matched by i normally see them feeding. it's been an interesting ride so far.
i sift it. i'm at the point i barely care about that either. it does not seem to make a performance difference. i do get some flour in the runoff for the first couple feeds. after that it's pretty clear.
this gelato will give you an idea of how they have jumped recent.
this one has worked through the calmag issues and looks well set into veg. i pulled both the nute and the amount of calmag back for this feed and checked it against ec. it's running hotter than i want by about .15 ec , which corresponds to the calmag i am adding. i'm letting ride for now as there isn't widespread claw nor am i seeing massively waxy leaves.
this one acapulco is really compact. shows structure far more like an indica, even though the leaves are leaning sativa.
the second acapulco is similar but a bit more stretched out.
they are gonna need a minor defol and some lollipoping later in veg. growing out the nodes i do means i always have one shaded by a main fan, i'll probably take them out when the plant is a bit bigger if the node has trouble growing past.
i'm also on heightened pest patrol. i've never had a summer grow go without some sort of trouble. usually mites. nothing so far except a couple leaves that may gotten a munch, but i'm pretty sure it's actually damage i caused as i couldn't find a culprit. getting some hotshots this wk and may run one for a time as preventative. as long as i can get them through veg clean i stand a chance.
example of what i'm checking
there are some tissue holes like this which typically occur when a plant grows too fast for the leaf to keep up. other times it rips at the leaf edges.
there's a little of both there. only happens with a dramatic growth spurt.
this is the plant
it's heading for the hoop. plan is to have them flipping as the majority get past that first hoop. hoping to have them finish by the top of the second.
the cages make things really easy to move around and work on. it's a very low stress method for training as well. the one drawback is i can't chop and hang the whole plant easily at harvest, which i like to do. i'll have better rh though, so i may not need to hang whole.
the gelato that caused all my grief early has gone on to be an oddball plant. it has a dominant alternating node on one side at each stage.
the tallest branch you see there is from the bottom at node 2
i'm not sure it was even worth topping this thing as the dominant node at stage 4 is essentially the top anyway.
at least it's gotten through the calmag and feed issues and is in the green. i'll get rid of the ugly leaves at some point. it's a bit of a salad right now.
will get them cleaned up and see what the structure is like in a wk or so.
we went from swing temps and unsettled, to extreme heat and hail / tornado producing thunderstorms, in the space of ten days. outdoor environment is a roller coaster right now. it's 31c outdoor and 25c and change in the grow space. my rh shot from low 30's to 72%, indoor i've got it rolling at 65% which at least a minimum acceptable.
plants really seem to like it. they are exploding in growth but it's not matched by i normally see them feeding. it's been an interesting ride so far.
i sift it. i'm at the point i barely care about that either. it does not seem to make a performance difference. i do get some flour in the runoff for the first couple feeds. after that it's pretty clear.
They look so much better in natural light!
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