Yes I spoke of this before with you but I don't think we were on the same page at the time probably the way I explained it.
Autos v. Photos - A 5x5 No Rules Fight for Yield: A Jon & NickHardy Gig
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As Absorber said but there might be advantages other than harvest turnaround. Potentially you’re going to use less electricity. If the plants react to cycles as days so a normal day for a standard flowering time is 24*= 1440 hours 16*60 = 960 hours so about a third savings in light - but maybe they need just more time? But the idea is really predicated on the idea that more than 6 hours of continuous max light is wasted. The plants photosynthesis rate begins to sharply decrease after this. A lot of DWC guys apparently used to run 6 on 2 off for this reason.
I’m not sure but who hasn’t been surprised by how much of the growth occurs during the hours of darkness?
I’m going to take a look for the right sort of timer today. I’m not saying I’m going to do it on this grow - but the option would be there and I’ll maybe try it on one of the grows I popped yesterday. Maybe a 4x4 with 9 Bruce Banner in dixie cups. Start with something easy
And advanced! Ha! I reckon I get a passing mark at “Enthusiastic Tryer” level!
I’m not sure but who hasn’t been surprised by how much of the growth occurs during the hours of darkness?
I’m going to take a look for the right sort of timer today. I’m not saying I’m going to do it on this grow - but the option would be there and I’ll maybe try it on one of the grows I popped yesterday. Maybe a 4x4 with 9 Bruce Banner in dixie cups. Start with something easy
And advanced! Ha! I reckon I get a passing mark at “Enthusiastic Tryer” level!
As Absorber said but there might be advantages other than harvest turnaround. Potentially you’re going to use electricity. If the plants react to cycles as days so a normal day for a standard flowering time is 24*= 1440 hours 16*60 = 960 hours so about a third savings in light - but maybe they need just more time? But the idea is really predicated n the idea that more than 6 hours of continuous max light is wasted. The plants photosynthesis rate begins to sharply decrease after this. A lot of DWC guys apparently used to run 6 on 2 off for this reason.
I’m not sure but who hasn’t been surprised by how much of the growth occurs during the hours of darkness?
I’m going to take a look for right sort of timer today. I’m not saying I’m going to do it on this grow - but the option would be there and I’ll maybe try it on one of the grows I popped yesterday. Maybe a 4x4 with 9 Bruce Banner in dixie cups. Start with something easy
And advanced! Ha! I reckon I get a passing mark at “Enthusiastic Tryer” level!
This timer can do it and I think it was @SmokingWings that had a different model of timer that could also do it
I need the plugless type. To do it properly - It just looks safer to me than relying on a 30c plug from round here 
Breezewood Pennsylvania, 2008
Edward Burtynsky
One of my all time favourite photos. The original is huge. Meters high and wide. I nearly bough an original print about 13 years ago. If I maxed my credit cards and lived off my partners table scraps for a couple of months I could have done. Bet its worth way more now. It not fitting n the lift to our apartment was one reason I didn’t buy it
A Canadian photographer from a collection called “Oil” I’m a fan of roadtrips. Plan is fly into New York, meet the Real Nick Hardy because we haven’t seen each other in 5 years, couple of places we want to eat.
Its not really length of Africa or width of Brazil type stuff from my previous trips but fun nonetheless! Choosing the vehicle gonna be a lot of fun.
Plans are in being made!
Nick
I’m just nit feeling like I’m reading this tent right yet. I’ve never seen such a distinct/pronounced crown to the canopy with an abrupt drop off.
Also 7 days post flip so little stretch! The highest point are around 70cm - 26”
I think maybe I need chillax on worry about lack of stretch.
Nick Hardy's Skunk Works #3 5x5 - Dissertation Grow
From Gavita's site on how to convert to LED. 1. expect different temps. 2. monitor vpd closely.... [URL unfurl=true]https://gavita.com/retail/5-tips-for-a-seamless-transition-from-hps-to-led/[/URL] Notes 2 and 5 tie it together. I think Gavita knows light? maybe lol. But there are thousands of...
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These were way
However, the 5000k spectrum seems missing. The dimmer not responding. Seriously. Chinese maybe some back in the office tomorrow. Most inconvenient time to get an issue. Its sub optimal but maybe OK. I might put the 200w 6000k floodlight I have in here tonight. That’s work. I know that Meijiu have clients here where they leave spare drivers for them for these issues. Maybe they’ll organise one of those for me. I’m quite open to the idea my Sparkey broke it though
Looking at electrical timers. Think I found what I want.
Light more important though.
Nick
What's all over the leaves, is that damage or a product?
I’m just nit feeling like I’m reading this tent right yet. I’ve never seen such a distinct/pronounced crown to the canopy with an abrupt drop off.
Also 7 days post flip so little stretch! The highest point are around 70cm - 26”
I think maybe I need chillax on worry about lack of stretch.
Nick Hardy's Skunk Works #3 5x5 - Dissertation Grow
From Gavita's site on how to convert to LED. 1. expect different temps. 2. monitor vpd closely.... [URL unfurl=true]https://gavita.com/retail/5-tips-for-a-seamless-transition-from-hps-to-led/[/URL] Notes 2 and 5 tie it together. I think Gavita knows light? maybe lol. But there are thousands of...www.420magazine.com
These were waybiggertaller at switching to 12/12 (there is an extra layer of bricks there so using the dehuey for scale I think they were taller but not as bushy last time. Last time I view as being too tall so this is the time for steady hands the tiller and just gotta trust my instincts that made the old Hardy brain stack flip with confidence when and why I did. I want 100-120cm plants here. That’s not asking loads - 50% growth from stretch.
However, the 5000k spectrum seems missing. The dimmer not responding. Seriously. Chinese maybe some back in the office tomorrow. Most inconvenient time to get an issue. Its sub optimal but maybe OK. I might put the 200w 6000k floodlight I have in here tonight. That’s work. I know that Meijiu have clients here where they leave spare drivers for them for these issues. Maybe they’ll organise one of those for me. I’m quite open to the idea my Sparkey broke it though
Looking at electrical timers. Think I found what I want.
Light more important though.
Nick
Oh yeah meant to mention its the Bayer nativo fungicide we're using because we had those other plants fall in half recently. I'm not super happy about using it but as I know some of you have seen me with 2m high plants in flower fall over dead in 2-3 days its a bit shit when that happens!
It actually - this makes me feel worse really because it seems like cheating! Its also used as product finisher for super market fruit and veg which isn't really how I want to be growing.
- Chemical Composition: Tebuconazole 50%+ Trifloxystrobin 25% WG
- Dosage: Rice:80gm/acre; Tomato-140gm/acre; Grapes-70gm/acre; Chilli-100gm/acre, Wheat-120gm/acre
- Method of Application: Spray
- Spectrum: sheath blight, Leaf, Neck Blast, Glume discoloration (dirty panicle), Early blight, Powdery mildew, Anthracnose, Alternaria leaf spot, Yellow rust.
- Compatibility: Compatible with sticking agents
- Frequency of Application: Depends on pest incidence or severity of the disease.
- Applicable Crops: Rice, Tomato, Mango, Wheat, Grapes, Chilli.
Depends on which site you look but on the Irish its for carrots, Sri Lanka nuts of some type, my Farmer Mate has been using a different brand/same active ingredients on Cannabis for year sin Australia. Reckons it works as a 30-40 day inoculant. Legal here and the only place it really seems to be illegal is California because it can harm aquatic life like tropical fish - which is actually more an issue here! Can be used in flower, human safe.
There are some more scientific articles where it says it can stunt growth BUT - the yield is increased, more uniform and thus more eye appeal.
There's others about cauliflower and Brussel sprouts, seeing tomatoes and chilies as use cases is reassuring.
So yeah don't feel great about using it. I don't aspire to growing organic at all. But not too much, I can kinda justify what we normally use, its just salts. But without this given the bit of the world we grow in its high risk I've been learning, by experiencing! We have 60 plants under lights and popped 63 more yesterday. I could lose the lot in mere days to some of the fungal infections.
For the article if you search for the key words - growing at the highest caliber humanely cannabis vivosun
I'm pretty sure you'll find it.
Look for full tatt grower pictures and stories of people wasting money and resources!
For this grow - I dunno we muddle on. Maybe short and stocky (with added stocky added in though pest control! Maybe that was the plan all along!
Or maybe I run lucky!
For anyone worrying that their eyes are failing them (Absorber!) - You can click blurry stuff like the below!
It was about as planned as my light failure!
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No I remember now, and it’s likely never you in a conversation with me. I smoke too much and my short term memory is shot. Sorry. Lmao.
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Interesting, and yes, there is obvious anecdotal evidence to that end with every plant I grow. My girls tend to start “preparing for lights out” a long time before it happens. I believe it’s cuz at that point the light has become redundant. I’ve noticed this again and again. I’m going to try next time a lower ppfd flower in one tent as an experiment and try to adjust the light and hours until the plants pray from sunup to sundown. If they do that, I believe they are using all that light. As soon as the begin to droop they’re full. If I understand you correctly this should support your point, yes? My memory is terrible but someone here just recently asserted a lower flower ppfd and that anything over 800 is wasted. While I disagreed, it’s worth an experiment. All I had was anecdotal stuff to reply to him with, so an experiment is in order.As Absorber said but there might be advantages other than harvest turnaround. Potentially you’re going to use less electricity. If the plants react to cycles as days so a normal day for a standard flowering time is 24*= 1440 hours 16*60 = 960 hours so about a third savings in light - but maybe they need just more time? But the idea is really predicated on the idea that more than 6 hours of continuous max light is wasted. The plants photosynthesis rate begins to sharply decrease after this. A lot of DWC guys apparently used to run 6 on 2 off for this reason.
I’m not sure but who hasn’t been surprised by how much of the growth occurs during the hours of darkness?
I’m going to take a look for the right sort of timer today. I’m not saying I’m going to do it on this grow - but the option would be there and I’ll maybe try it on one of the grows I popped yesterday. Maybe a 4x4 with 9 Bruce Banner in dixie cups. Start with something easy
And advanced! Ha! I reckon I get a passing mark at “Enthusiastic Tryer” level!
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Cool!!!!
Breezewood Pennsylvania, 2008
Edward Burtynsky
One of my all time favourite photos. The original is huge. Meters high and wide. I nearly bough an original print about 13 years ago. If I maxed my credit cards and lived off my partners table scraps for a couple of months I could have done. Bet its worth way more now. It not fitting n the lift to our apartment was one reason I didn’t buy it
I’m a fan of roadtrips. Plan is fly into New York, meet the Real Nick Hardy because we haven’t seen each other in 5 years, couple of places we want to eat.
We’llI will drive us either north or south!
Its not really length of Africa or width of Brazil type stuff from my previous trips but fun nonetheless! Choosing the vehicle gonna be a lot of fun.
Plans are in being made!
Nick
That's a neat trick. How'd you do it?
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I’m in awe of how much info you’re presenting. Good stuff Mr. Nock. Btw - is that it? That’s your contest grow? Where’s the rest? You don’t seriously believe that the tent in this picture is going to outyield mine do you? For real? My man - a newbie can see that’s impossible at this point. Jeez. It looked a lot…bigger….in other pictures . Ok, is the schedule for this year out yet? I assume in CBP you’d want to see a Boston game if they play them this year? And is there a window you have for this trip? I need to know the dates you can potentially be here so I can start to see the best game we can go to. Also if you’re flying into NYC (?) maybe we can get @Bill284 to go round trip to NYC and meet you and ride down with you and back?Oh yeah meant to mention its the Bayer nativo fungicide we're using because we had those other plants fall in half recently. I'm not super happy about using it but as I know some of you have seen me with 2m high plants in flower fall over dead in 2-3 days its a bit shit when that happens!
It actually - this makes me feel worse really because it seems like cheating! Its also used as product finisher for super market fruit and veg which isn't really how I want to be growing.
Address of origin: BHILWARA, RAJASTHAN, 311001
- Chemical Composition: Tebuconazole 50%+ Trifloxystrobin 25% WG
- Dosage: Rice:80gm/acre; Tomato-140gm/acre; Grapes-70gm/acre; Chilli-100gm/acre, Wheat-120gm/acre
- Method of Application: Spray
- Spectrum: sheath blight, Leaf, Neck Blast, Glume discoloration (dirty panicle), Early blight, Powdery mildew, Anthracnose, Alternaria leaf spot, Yellow rust.
- Compatibility: Compatible with sticking agents
- Frequency of Application: Depends on pest incidence or severity of the disease.
- Applicable Crops: Rice, Tomato, Mango, Wheat, Grapes, Chilli.
Depends on which site you look but on the Irish its for carrots, Sri Lanka nuts of some type, my Farmer Mate has been using a different brand/same active ingredients on Cannabis for year sin Australia. Reckons it works as a 30-40 day inoculant. Legal here and the only place it really seems to be illegal is California because it can harm aquatic life like tropical fish - which is actually more an issue here! Can be used in flower, human safe.
There are some more scientific articles where it says it can stunt growth BUT - the yield is increased, more uniform and thus more eye appeal.
There's others about cauliflower and Brussel sprouts, seeing tomatoes and chilies as use cases is reassuring.
So yeah don't feel great about using it. I don't aspire to growing organic at all. But not too much, I can kinda justify what we normally use, its just salts. But without this given the bit of the world we grow in its high risk I've been learning, by experiencing! We have 60 plants under lights and popped 63 more yesterday. I could lose the lot in mere days to some of the fungal infections.
For the article if you search for the key words - growing at the highest caliber humanely cannabis vivosun
I'm pretty sure you'll find it.
Look for full tatt grower pictures and stories of people wasting money and resources!
For this grow - I dunno we muddle on. Maybe short and stocky (with added stocky added in though pest control! Maybe that was the plan all along!
Or maybe I run lucky!
For anyone worrying that their eyes are failing them (Absorber!) - You can click blurry stuff like the below!
It was about as planned as my light failure!
i find that with my plants anything over 830 PPFD they stop praying 3-4 hours before lights out so & the leaves show signs of light stress i have lights set at 780-800 & now prey till the last 1/2 hour to 1 hour before lights out on a 18/6 schedule
Its a really old BB forum board thing that’s fallen out of fashion/know how
The mask crossed icon is “spoiler”
Different leagues buddy - Phillys are National? Sox are American? Maybe ai’m wrong! Often am!
Umm - I am having not a crisis of confidence by any means. I made a flip call and have the light worry. I’m aiming for a little different for last grow - you have the link to that journal I wanted to be a little behind vertical growth and keep them stockier and I’m doing that and complaining! C’mon every gets what they want and finds a way to complain about it once in a while
But yeah. We’re not big trainers. The trellis is much more for lateral support later in flower than LST type reasons, the second one I’ll put in is more important for that too.
Dunno I like reading the plants and mostly letting them figure out what they want to do. I think LST et al get you pretty but not necessarily yield.
The headline is Autos/Photos but there are other comparisons here, training, soil/coco Co2 or not. A lot to digest.
Even the trellis stuff (I deliberately am not calling it SCROG because its just support mostly for us just the tops get so heavy) Dunno I didn't know showing lots of effort was required! I can start power lifiting bags of coco to the Rocky theme to show willing of you like?
I mean all I have to add on PPFD and the 800 number is for about two months I have been this light has been either playing up or my light testing devices hsve been playing up because ai’m “only” getting around 550-800PPFD
Maybe the sensors are right and that’s why I grew the fattest, greatest density buds ever last time?!
Genuinely - its not deliberate but I do tend to lucky
Maybe the sensors are right and that’s why I grew the fattest, greatest density buds ever last time?!
Genuinely - its not deliberate but I do tend to lucky
I had to deliver paintings in New York City once.I’m in awe of how much info you’re presenting. Good stuff Mr. Nock. Btw - is that it? That’s your contest grow? Where’s the rest? You don’t seriously believe that the tent in this picture is going to outyield mine do you? For real? My man - a newbie can see that’s impossible at this point. Jeez. It looked a lot…bigger….in other pictures . Ok, is the schedule for this year out yet? I assume in CBP you’d want to see a Boston game if they play them this year? And is there a window you have for this trip? I need to know the dates you can potentially be here so I can start to see the best game we can go to. Also if you’re flying into NYC (?) maybe we can get @Bill284 to go round trip to NYC and meet you and ride down with you and back?
The Bronx.
In a rented Canadian uhaul.
I'll tell you about it over a hotdog and popcorn my treat.
Stay safe
Bill284
That's too funny!