Autos v. Photos - A 5x5 No Rules Fight for Yield: A Jon & NickHardy Gig

[Jon]

I've been absent since Sunday as I have had very busy life issues. In playing catch up on the journals I I sub to, I had pages of subs to go through and thought it was safe to leave this journal until I had caught up on others. However, despite your announcement that reporting would be slow due to your own life issues, it has been bizzee this week and I can't catch up. I'll pick up here again.

The grows look well underway. Plants look healthy and thriving. Looking good!

Please will you both consider labelling your photographs. As a reader I am finding it difficult to figure out what plant description fits what plant. For the group shots you could add a labeled schematic for reference, and for individual shots, the strain name and number of days above ground are very helpful to the reader. Otherwise it gets too much to follow imo.



Same story, a schematic would help.

I was going to suggest chat to Azi, and then I see later he commented anyway. Good stuff.

I don't know what this is anymore. I tried scrolling back to find the post for my comment and I got lost in a sea of green. lol.

That just actually illustrates my point. Without any photo descriptions it's impossible to keep track of where we are. Just put the strain name and number of days above ground!

@Carmen Ray - thanks so much! That is how it’s done! You want something you ask and Nick and I will accommodate if we can. You got it CR. I’ll label. All his sissy plants are pretty much the same strain but I have six. Yeah no wonder you are confused. Gotcha and thanks.

 

[NickHardy]

Day #26

Mega Solos
2x BBMR
4x OGK
6x Bubba Kush

Solo Singletons
OKG (Green)
Bubba Kush (Blue)

Stage #1 Popped January 5th
Stage #2 In dirt January 7th
Stage #3 Swickies & Tent January 14th
Stage #4 Final Pots January 22nd

Per plant nah. They’re all just a herd. Like so many chattel to me

Feeling big time, sold 160g this morning. Whoop whoop!

 

[Jon]

Well, last non labeled photo Carmen I swear.

Hey Nick -

Here’s my auto grow so far and we are not even out of the 20s yet on days and there’s not a pistil in sight on any plant. I got lots of veg time yet. I highly doubt you have a reference point for a grow, auto or photo, that is this well developed before day 30. Know why? Cuz nobody does it. You messed with the wrong auto guy.

Love you anyway mate!

 

[NickHardy]

Veg for show, flower for dough….

 

[Jon]

Well, last non labeled photo Carmen I swear.

Hey Nick -

Here’s my auto grow so far and we are not even out of the 20s yet on days and there’s not a pistil in sight on any plant. I got lots of veg time yet. I highly doubt you have a reference point for a grow, auto or photo, that is this well developed before day 30. Know why? Cuz nobody does it. You messed with the wrong auto guy.

Love you anyway mate!

Btw - just kidding. Lots of people can do this. But not a shit ton of people could do it with autos. At least I have enough skills to at least temporarily create the illusion that I have some shot in hell in this contest. I’m not dumb. I know in reality you’re going to beat me cuz it would be next to impossible for you not to no matter what I did. But I’d like to at least keep it close for as long as I can.

 

[NickHardy]

Whilst I could and will say you’ve goaded me into this, you reap what you sow, Jon - its also extra labelling for Carmen.

Its powerful wizardry, Harry Potter be scared shit.

I was warned about using this elemental force to amend my growth rates but you left me with no outs.

My ladies are bringing the lashes, the big lashes, the looong lashes. The sexy lashes and perhaps one day the smeeeelly lashes. Longer than any SoCal lashes, Actually that’s a big call

Its not my fault!

 

[Jon]

Whilst I could and will say you’ve goaded me into this, you reap what you sow, Jon - its also extra labelling for Carmen.

Its powerful wizardry, Harry Potter be scared shit.

I was warned about using this elemental force to amend my growth rates but you left me with no outs.

My ladies are bringing the lashes, the big lashes, the looong lashes. The sexy lashes and perhaps one day the smeeeelly lashes. Longer than any SoCal lashes, Actually that’s a big call

Its not my fault!

Jesus Nick, that build up was so good I was expecting to see and hear about some new crazy toy or bell or whistle that was going to even further guarantee my demise. A 1500 watt light or something. This …. I don’t know what to say about this. I cannot compete with this. Since I’m going to beat you in the yield category, I will admit it - you win the Dixie Cup decorating category. Bravo.

 

[Jon]

Meanwhile in the real world, Jon continues to sleep 3 hours a night until his mothers post surgery, got her ass tossed from the rehab for being a bad patient, control freak, ultra challenging to even the most experienced caregiver, not working mother can get out of her wheelchair. That’s another three weeks. So if Nick is carrying the load here and I’m not around here or anywhere else, that’s why. This or some version of this has been in play in my life for about a year and half, just not to this extent. But always on some level. I manage almost every aspect of a three person household, manage my 80-year old parents financial and medical affairs, rehab for my mom, I manage their memories and medications, I make all the meals and do all the laundry, I change the sheets, and I’m the one who has to keep this place clean too, and do our shopping (thank god for Instacart). After all that, THEN I get to have my life. I’m stretched as thin as anyone I know and have been since you guys have known me. So anyone who wants to be butthurt and whisper scuttlebutt I’m starting to hear about behind my back that I’m some sort of selfish ass who expects traffic in my journals but never goes to other growers - whoever you are, this is not fucking Facebook. If you want to play whisper bullshit in this forum and it’s about me, then come to me and talk. Don’t play Facebook games like you’re a fucking two year old. And if you do feel that way, you walk a day in my shoes. You’d tap out before the end of the week. And then blow me.

Moving back to our contest here - Nick and I are enjoying talking our shit but the truth is I have very little shot. So in the interest of keeping it close or trying to I am pushing myself harder in this grow than I have on any single grow in my “career”. (Always have to lol when I use that word). I wanted to show you the extent to which I’m pulling out as many stops as I know how, which btw Nick, photo vs photo and I’d absolutely destroy you for real no shit talking. But in auto vs photo against a guy who grows for a living and has every toy in the book, the odds are low at best. Toss in your CO2 and the mountain is even higher. Your 1200 watts to my 980 and I’m behind the 8-ball even more.

So now I’m training the beast - the Gorilla Cookies in the 10 of coco. I’m in process of evening out her ring of colas. But hopefully in this picture you can see I’m doing more than that. This plant’s ring, as will be the case for the other corner plants, has to trained to the shape of a square, not a circle. That way I can take full advantage of every inch of my available 25 square feet. A circle shape in the corner plants makes filling the corners more difficult. The difference is miniscule. But measurable and visible to the eye. A full canopy, in this grow, means a full canopy.

So can you guys see she’s going square here? To the eye right here it’s obvious. Only shot I have to be competitive is to approach this entire grow with that level of detail.

 

[con]

Meanwhile in the real world, Jon continues to sleep 3 hours a night until his mothers post surgery, got her ass tossed from the rehab for being a bad patient, control freak, ultra challenging to even the most experienced caregiver, not working mother can get out of her wheelchair. That’s another three weeks. So if Nick is carrying the load here and I’m not around here or anywhere else, that’s why. This or some version of this has been in play in my life for about a year and half, just not to this extent. But always on some level. I manage almost every aspect of a three person household, manage my 80-year old parents financial and medical affairs, rehab for my mom, I manage their memories and medications, I make all the meals and do all the laundry, I change the sheets, and I’m the one who has to keep this place clean too, and do our shopping (thank god for Instacart). After all that, THEN I get to have my life. I’m stretched as thin as anyone I know and have been since you guys have known me. So anyone who wants to be butthurt and whisper scuttlebutt I’m starting to hear about behind my back that I’m some sort of selfish ass who expects traffic in my journals but never goes to other growers - whoever you are, this is not fucking Facebook. If you want to play whisper bullshit in this forum and it’s about me, then come to me and talk. Don’t play Facebook games like you’re a fucking two year old. And if you do feel that way, you walk a day in my shoes. You’d tap out before the end of the week. And then blow me.

Moving back to our contest here - Nick and I are enjoying talking our shit but the truth is I have very little shot. So in the interest of keeping it close or trying to I am pushing myself harder in this grow than I have on any single grow in my “career”. (Always have to lol when I use that word). I wanted to show you the extent to which I’m pulling out as many stops as I know how, which btw Nick, photo vs photo and I’d absolutely destroy you for real no shit talking. But in auto vs photo against a guy who grows for a living and has every toy in the book, the odds are low at best. Toss in your CO2 and the mountain is even higher. Your 1200 watts to my 980 and I’m behind the 8-ball even more.

So now I’m training the beast - the Gorilla Cookies in the 10 of coco. I’m in process of evening out her ring of colas. But hopefully in this picture you can see I’m doing more than that. This plant’s ring, as will be the case for the other corner plants, has to trained to the shape of a square, not a circle. That way I can take full advantage of every inch of my available 25 square feet. A circle shape in the corner plants makes filling the corners more difficult. The difference is miniscule. But measurable and visible to the eye. A full canopy, in this grow, means a full canopy.

So can you guys see she’s going square here? To the eye right here it’s obvious. Only shot I have to be competitive is to approach this entire grow with that level of detail.

i'm still root'n for the autos & fuc_m all

 

[InTheShed]

Only shot I have to be competitive is to approach this entire grow with that level of detail.

I feel like you approach all your plants with that level of detail!

 

[Jon]

Here’s an example of how in this method you have a ton of anchors and options for tucking leaves that you didn’t before. If you’re a leaf keeper you understand the benefit of tucking and it is a skill of its own. It is for me.

I especially get off on keeping the four gigantic fan leaves you always get atop the plant when you top it - the ones that are a PITA and block your stuff every time. When you are talking about hand sized fans, which I have on 6 of my 9 plants, it can be quite a challenge to keep them as each day progresses. I love them and consider them my overdrive engines. But they really and truly are a PITA, and I’ve discovered a great way to control them using the infrastructure you already have in place.

The pictures below show you the trick and the result. I’m sure you guys can look at this and see what I mean without the addition of more dumb Jon words. The plant who was kind enough to allow me to take her picture for this is the organic Gorilla Cookies in a 2.5 gallon pot of FFOF amended and using Geoflora nutes.

 

[con]

Here’s an example of how in this method you have a ton of anchors and options for tucking leaves that you didn’t before. If you’re a leaf keeper you understand the benefit of tucking and it is a skill of its own. It is for me.

I especially get off on keeping the four gigantic fan leaves you always get atop the plant when you top it - the ones that are a PITA and block your stuff every time. When you are talking about hand sized fans, which I have on 6 of my 9 plants, it can be quite a challenge to keep them as each day progresses. I love them and consider them my overdrive engines. But they really and truly are a PITA, and I’ve discovered a great way to control them using the infrastructure you already have in place.

The pictures below show you the trick and the result. I’m sure you guys can look at this and see what I mean without the addition of more dumb Jon words. The plant who was kind enough to allow me to take her picture for this is the organic Gorilla Cookies in a 2.5 gallon pot of FFOF amended and using Geoflora nutes.

looks cool that bend now i want to train lol!

 

[Jon]

looks cool that bend now i want to train lol!

I find it fun, relaxing, and zen. It makes my soul feel good and satisfies the hell out of my controlling side. It’s my favorite time in the lifetime of growing a plant. Auto or photo. Although the feeding end of organics is proving to be quite engaging as well and fun to learn.

 

[con]

I find it fun, relaxing, and zen. It makes my soul feel good and satisfies the hell out of my controlling side. It’s my favorite time in the lifetime of growing a plant. Auto or photo. Although the feeding end of organics is proving to be quite engaging as well and fun to learn.

yeah i'm tweeking mine lightly every day or 2 & they're pretty well where i want them & really surprised with the ones that where topped & end up in the tents for a hour or 2, thread update sunday

 

[Jon]

Hydro Observation/Question

Personals

- Fledgling hydro guy seeking an accurate and experienced confirmation of research he has digested and believes is correct. Must be slim, athletic, and intelligent. Handicapped fetishes welcome. If this is you I’d love to hear from you.

Lol!

I have been researching hydro and it seems that one of the main reasons my reservoirs are staying rock steady and still have not been ph adjusted is due to the Florida weather at this time. I theorized the other day that the air flow I was generating was a factor, and my research supports that. But it seems that the warning I was given here earlier about keeping your res at 68 degrees or below is important for more reasons than I was given or knew. Relative to that, it seems it is just as big a factor in maintaining a steady reservoir as good air flow and proper changing.

I am controlling it without a chiller. I can do that due to the winter weather in Florida. Because of that and my semi ambient method I use for autos, along with my targeted AC venting and the distance between the floor and the plants, I am able to consistently maintain a 72 degrees or higher top for the plants and a. 68 degrees or lower temperature for the floor and reservoirs. Even the hottest day and my res never felt any different. This method the way I’m doing it would be more difficult and require adjusting and likely a chiller anytime but right exactly during the course of this grow. Once again I got lucky.

Am I actually absorbing reservoir information correctly based on the above so far or is this inaccurate in some way?

Thanks guys!

 

[NickHardy]

love stuff disappearing mid posting.

 

[NickHardy]

New (second hand) AC fitted. 12,000 BTU. That means the newly gassed and cleaned 12,000 is free for just the one tent now.

Speaking of which:

(L-R Orange) The Bubba Kush and OGK weren’t watered yeaterday. Showing a bit wet. Leaves look shit. Sometimes feels like the roots get in a bit of a tiz around now, they generally resolve on their own.m, they do look better today. Their last night under these lights. Tomorrow the Meijiu.

They’re being flushed now. 36 litres into 12 3L pots. 2ml/litre Cal Mag Plus 4-0-0 w/t Fe all served at a perfect 5.8

CARMEN TABLE

Stage #1 Popped January 5th
Stage #2 In dirt January 7th
Stage #3 Swickies & Tent January 14th
Stage #4 Final Pots January 22nd
Stage #5 Flush #1

#jussayin’

What a prick.

uninformed and inaccurate as it is, that was quite good. Bravo. Well played. “Dick” was bit aggressive,

The art of the limerick is truth

 

[Absorber]

G'day mate

Even the hottest day and my res never felt any different.

Are you measuring or just using skin as Nick would say

staying rock steady and still have not been ph adjusted

What do you have your ph at
I keep my reservoir at 19°c( with chiller)which is only 1 degree lower than yours i let pH swing from 5.8 -6.1 . And yes it still moves around.
My temp was 27 °c before chiller, it used to make me worry about root rot so I added a dash of bleech to 80ltr reservoir

 

[Absorber]

New (second hand) AC fitted. 12,000 BTU. That means the newly gassed and cleaned 12,000 is free for just the one tent now.

Speaking of which:

(L-R Orange) The Bubba Kush and OGK weren’t watered yeaterday. Showing a bit wet. Leaves look shit. Sometimes feels like the roots get in a bit of a tiz around now, they generally resolve on their own.m, they do look better today. Their last night under these lights. Tomorrow the Meijiu.

They’re being flushed now. 36 litres into 12 3L pots. 2ml/litre Cal Mag Plus 4-0-0 w/t Fe all served at a perfect 5.8

CARMEN TABLE

Stage #1 Popped January 5th
Stage #2 In dirt January 7th
Stage #3 Swickies & Tent January 14th
Stage #4 Final Pots January 22nd
Stage #5 Flush #1

#jussayin’




The art of the limerick is truth

Fuck me the duct work looks shit (sorry) I'd make the prick do it level .
Hope it works better than the installation looks that would do my head in .
Now I will go back and read the rest of the post while trying not to look at it .
And if you see the installer again tell him I said it looks like shit

 

[Jon]

Attention Please

Hi @NickHardy and good morning. Hope your grow is going as you hope and yada yada. Yesterday I made a mistake in this forum, which is our forum, not my forum. I have decided after some reflection to correct that mistake here and now and also use this correction to help @rehabilitatora420 understand something I consider to be extremely important. But it begins with an apology to you. This I know is a completely unnecessary apology to you. As it would be for me if this were reversed. But as I said, it’s our thread, not just mine. And if I don’t start with this it invalidates the exact point I wish to convey. So that’s done, thanks, if you were a chick I’d marry you, and I will proceed with my correction.

@rehabilatora420, not putting you on the spot at all, I only tag you because this correction dips into our Basic Concepts, and this one is big. It looks like this:

One’s conduct on this site is just as important as the content one puts forth.

Obvious, right? Maybe. But I’m not new, and I forgot this yesterday and broke my own rule and contradicted my own philosophy.

My post yesterday regarding my desire that people come to me directly if they have an issue with me was stated in an inappropriate, overly aggressive, and selfish manner and upon reflection was unacceptable. I sincerely apologize to the 420 community and and anyone here who digested that post as written. I was frustrated at the time about non-related real life stuff, and peeved about the thing I talked about in that post.

I should have either let it go or addressed it in a different manner.

Here’s why it’s important:
For Nick - this thread is as much his as it is mine. Therefore it is not the place for my personal beefs. By posting one as I did, I made an ass of him a little as well as myself.
For you, Nickolai - things that seem obvious often are not, and that includes behavior on this forum. Rob has gone to great pains for a long time to keep this element of Facebook-esque bullshit out of this forum. It is one of the things that separates this forum from all others. When I post as I did I basically ignored that reality to get my anger yayas out. This is an asshole move. Simple as that.

Also Nickolai, this matters even more for this more for this reason: I have no idea who may be reading this journal. It is possible that there are people here who never post as much as an emoji but are following silently. It is further possible that these folks are new to the site. When I post like I did, do you think that helped a new person to the site feel that this site was the one for them? Do you think it was inviting or welcoming or had any value whatsoever to someone like that? I know that it did not because I remember being new here and how I reacted when I saw something of this nature in someone’s journal I was checking out. I went to another journal. It turned me off to that journal, and since I was new and had no reference point yet for much, it also turned me off a little to the site as a whole. And this last part is what makes what I did yesterday the most egregious and was the most anti 420Magazine thing I could have done.

The new grower and new arrival to the community is THE most important person in the room. Period. In Jon World, and I believe the world of any grower here who really understands the big picture, this is an immutable law. Yesterday I shat all over it.

If you assert the content I did yesterday in the manner I did, you are breaking every rule you believe in and therefore by definition your post is crap and you are a hypocrite.

For this I apologize. I don’t think it’s necessary to restate the thought in different language as the point was made despite its flaws as I just described and this is already long enough.

I need to be better than that, and imho we all do. It’s vital because you never know who may be watching, and without new people this site dies.

Thanks for the indulgence guys, I thought that was important and I always own my own shit. Now back to our regularly scheduled program.