Autos v. Photos - A 5x5 No Rules Fight for Yield: A Jon & NickHardy Gig

[Jon]

So here’s what some might consider an advanced training trick, I don’t know. For all I know everyone does/knows this, but I haven’t seen it, so let’s see.

My branches at the end when chopped often look like a cascading repetitive S-curve. Vs a straight line. This is due to my flatten - release up for a few days - flatten at new level - release up - etc. method. The reason is two fold. One to control height and match canopy to upper node branches, and two, because a curved branch provides better bud support than a straight one towards the end when you need support.

But you have to figure out how to flatten at a new level repeatedly without lowering the branch as everyone usually does and I also used to do before I figured this trick out. The coolest part is that it’s all about physics.

Here’s a series of three pictures. End (head of branch) support, inner support, and result.

Pretty sure that will completely explain. Take note of the placement, the purpose, and the angle of stake insertion on the inner stake.

 

[Jon]

Apple Fritter

You want big plants and awesome growth rate? Then don’t remove these til you absolutely have to. Work around them and try your best to keep them untucked. If you keep them as long as you can, it always looks like this, but underneath I’m working there ring and it’s awesome. What you’ve got is gigantic solar panels at the very top completely (almost) covering the lower part. That means the light is powering the living crap out of your plant. I would argue that these four top fans and being flat and open and untucked and looking like solar panels provides the plant more energy than the sum of all the other leaves at this point in the plant’s development.

 

[Jon]

I'd be wary of future problems in this contest, I am in Coco, 3 gal. material bags that has taken me 3 1/2 years to get comfortable with. Canna Coco A&B nutrients, Dyno-Myco, mixing Coco Loco and learning to trellis & scrog. Next the mainline bending lessons. We, to our credit, learn or teach this to ourselves with "Forum" help, if we'll take it. Cheers, enjoying the Grow Show here^ SSgrower

Thanks! Yes. Frankly one should always be wary of problems and always be thinking weeks ahead of where they are.

 

[Jon]

Apple Fritter

You want big plants and awesome growth rate? Then don’t remove these til you absolutely have to. Work around them and try your best to keep them untucked. If you keep them as long as you can, it always looks like this, but underneath I’m working there ring and it’s awesome. What you’ve got is gigantic solar panels at the very top completely (almost) covering the lower part. That means the light is powering the living crap out of your plant. I would argue that these four top fans and being flat and open and untucked and looking like solar panels provides the plant more energy than the sum of all the other leaves at this point in the plant’s development.

Another example. This is what makes beastly autos and frankly photos too. Huge engines as close to the light as possible.

 

[NickHardy]

Another example. This is what makes beastly autos and frankly photos too. Huge engines as close to the light as possible.

We need some camera app that overlays a ruler or something for scale. I’m thinking something with a snipers scope vibe to it. Show we mean business.

I’ll have a look for one.

 

[Greenvein]

We need some camera app that overlays a ruler or something for scale. I’m thinking something with a snipers scope vibe to it. Show we mean business.

I’ll have a look for one.

Do that and Jon might realize your Dixie cups are made for giants

Fe fi fo fum.. can't say the rest as that would mean Nicks in trouble

 

[NickHardy]

Do that and Jon might realize your Dixie cups are made for giants

Fe fi fo fum.. can't say the rest as that would mean Nicks in trouble

How am I in trouble!

I’m beat. Harvesting part of a 5x5 really takes it out of you. Well you grow that big it does

 

[Greenvein]

How am I in trouble!

I’m beat. Harvesting part of a 5x5 really takes it out of you. Well you grow that big it does

Haha your not in trouble I'm here like Go Nick

But if I had finished it off and said fee fi fo fum I smell the blood of a English man that would indicate..

Feel me dawg.. I know your passport about to expire but your blood won't change

 

[NickHardy]

Geezer for life, innit, you do kno dat doh bruv…

 

[Jon]

Ok @rehabilitatora420, I have finally come up with the photo sequence I needed to complete a piece of the puzzle you have worked on the most.

This is in your ring training series. We have covered and I believe you “get” -

Topping
Staking
The idea/concept of catching up to the top horizontally running nodes
Evening out your colas
Taking as few leaves as possible for as long as possible

If I’m wrong and there is anything on that list you do NOT “get,” please tell me. But assuming I’m correct, now remember this: we talked about how in theory the idea is that by the time the ring catches the tops, they’ll have gotten long enough to incorporate right into the ring. And remember that in anticipation of that, we arrange our lower colas in the ring so there’s an open space waiting for that shoot when it gets long enough.

When it works perfectly it’s breathtaking and will drop your jaw, and suddenly the whole picture will become clearer. And by a combo of luck and my modicum of skill, one of my girls has reached that exact point and to me it is indeed breathtaking because it clearly shows what happens in a perfect world. A world you’ve chosen to learn how to create.

So check this out.

On the left side of the plant, here is the horizontally pulled node below the top two horizontal new shoots. Note how it’s finally out as far as the ring (almost). Time to ensure the proper spacing for this branch.

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• Jon
• Jan 31, 2024

Here’s the cola on the right pulled right to accommodate the new branch, and the new branch now filling the space between the two colas on each side. Later when release that right hand branch pulled right it will straighten out.

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• Jon
• Jan 31, 2024

On the right side, the more dominant of the two horizontal branches is bigger, and therefore is 100% even and perfectly integrated into the ring already. Note how you can’t tell which of the three or four colas you see is that horizontal branch.

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• Jon
• Jan 31, 2024

Now all we do is let that ring catch up to this:

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• Jon
• Jan 31, 2024

And as you can see here, that distance is from the ring to the top of the plant. It’s two nodes worth of height to make up. We keep the top two nodes horizontal until then. At that point we repeat the same exact process I just displayed to integrate those four up top into the ring and we even it all out and voila! We have a perfect flat canopy. From there you do nothing more but let it go straight vertical because at that point it’s all about stem length. Here’s where you see the distance left to catch up.

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• Jon
• Jan 31, 2024

Lemme know that you see, follow, and understand all that when you get a chance please.

Ok, that’s that. Now we need to discuss a slightly sticky issue. You and I have now spent about 50 hours in DMs working one in one across an ocean to get your growing career started. That an awful lot of time to spend with someone here. In exchange I have figured out what you owe me for my time.

You owe me and the community helping you, your VERY BEST EFFORT on both this next soil grow itself, AND keeping your journal updated as you go.

That is the only price I ask you to pay.

Fair enough?

 

[Jon]

Gorilla Cookies

Here’s a picture I found of someone’s Gorilla Cookies auto in their journal on another site. This plant is grown this big in a 3-gallon pot of soil. Mine is in a ten of coco. You make the projection. Jesus.

 

[Absorber]

Gorilla Cookies

Here’s a picture I found of someone’s Gorilla Cookies auto in their journal on another site. This plant is grown this big in a 3-gallon pot of soil. Mine is in a ten of coco. You make the projection. Jesus.

Looks good hope they never got PM

 

[Jon]

Looks good hope they never got PM

I don’t care a lick. You gonna hang out in a really crappy forum like the one I found this in you deserve whatever you get. I’m fresh out of pity at the moment. This picture served my needs so I took the one thing of value I found and that picture took me 8 crappy journals in a row first to get to. I was about to give up. I took it and said I’m never going there again. Fuck them.

 

[Absorber]

I don’t care a lick. You gonna hang out in a really crappy forum like the one I found this in you deserve whatever you get. I’m fresh out of pity at the moment. This picture served my needs so I took the one thing of value I found and that picture took me 8 crappy journals in a row first to get to. I was about to give up. I took it and said I’m never going there again. Fuck them.

Wasn't the serrated edge by any chance

 

[Jon]

Trizkit Auto
20TwentyMendocino

I have one of these in a 10 of coco and she has finally gotten all straightened out. So I went a researching cuz it had been a while and since I’m keeping her. I knew she was sativa and the parents and she got big. Here’s some rather crazy information I think @CaptainLucky would greatly appreciate as apparently this auto is right up his alley.

Here is what the Trizkit is:

Gender Feminized Autoflower
Genes 0% Indica / 100% Sativa
Genetics Triangle Kush x Biscotti
Flowering 88 - 100 days
Vegetation 30 - 35 days

And these are the statistics of a guy who grew two of these Trizkits in pure DWC setup. I found this on a halfway competent grow site we all are familiar with.

Week 15
Harvest

31.61
ounce
Bud dry weight

282.19
ounce
Bud wet weight

Plants
2

Of course I did not believe someone pulled 31 ounces from two autos even if they were grown by Jesus in the Garden of Eden.

Then I looked at his pics. And I saw the harvest hang picture of the two plants.

Get ready. The dude wasn’t exaggerating.

 

[Meds4cancer]

Even if they were grown by Jesus in the garden of eden that’s gold, looks as though this guy may know Jesus looking at the pictures

 

[Jon]

Even if they were grown by Jesus in the garden of eden that’s gold, looks as though this guy may know Jesus looking at the pictures

Hey @FkAutos - hey man, hello, don’t think I met you before. Since I’m the auto guy in this contest I’m scared to ask you what your handle stands for. But yeah, I grow big autos and my record is 13.9. This is just shy of two pounds from two plants, which would be amazing for any indoor plant in a tent, auto, photo, fast flowering, you name it. A pound a plant indoors is rocking it hard in my opinion and to do it with two autos is something I personally have never actually seen. I had heard it’s possible. I tried one grow for three pounds from three autos but that’s 48 ounces jarred and trimmed. I came in in the low 30s. Still awesome but I wasn’t sure a pound from an auto could happen after that. Then I see this and now I have to do it.

 

[Jon]

Hey @FkAutos - hey man, hello, don’t think I met you before. Since I’m the auto guy in this contest I’m scared to ask you what your handle stands for. But yeah, I grow big autos and my record is 13.9. This is just shy of two pounds from two plants, which would be amazing for any indoor plant in a tent, auto, photo, fast flowering, you name it. A pound a plant indoors is rocking it hard in my opinion and to do it with two autos is something I personally have never actually seen. I had heard it’s possible. I tried one grow for three pounds from three autos but that’s 48 ounces jarred and trimmed. I came in in the low 30s. Still awesome but I wasn’t sure a pound from an auto could happen after that. Then I see this and now I have to do it.

Also when I see this I realize I have one 130-day auto in my mix that will overgrow the tent by itself if I let it. So now I gotta think about my plant arrangement to make sure I can make this work. If mine gets anywhere near that big in a 10 of coco, which I well could, I’m in trouble. Lol. The good kind. I’ll make it work. But jeez Louise.

 

[Meds4cancer]

Also when I see this I realize I have one 130-day auto in my mix that will overgrow the tent by itself if I let it. So now I gotta think about my plant arrangement to make sure I can make this work. If mine gets anywhere near that big in a 10 of coco, which I well could, I’m in trouble. Lol. The good kind. I’ll make it work. But jeez Louise.

Hahaha Hello Jon nice to meet you, get into it mate would love to watch this play out and cheer you on as you grow, yeah autos in Australia well I’ve tried once so not really a test amount, but the consensus here is they aren’t what they seem in Canada or USA or overseas. For what reason I’m not sure but I’d say genetics. in saying that I’d love to find some beans from Canada that I know have a great track record and try my hand at it again, as for weight hahaha I’d be happy with 3 ounces a plant. Any way you better get started on that whopper you’re about to attempt I’ve gotta see this good luck you’ve got this

 

[NickHardy]

Market Priced Fractional Odds based on Supporters in Journal as of 1/2/24​

Jon​	Draw​	NickHardy​
1-3​	420-1​	(40-45)-1​