Autos v. Photos - A 5x5 No Rules Fight for Yield: A Jon & NickHardy Gig
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You’re welcome @SSgrower and I’ll explain later if you like, but trust me when I tell you that in no way does topping an auto, or a photo, specifically in veg, affect the rate with which the plant heads into flower. This is a myth. As always I encourage you to bounce this off anyone better than me which is most everyone here. It is very likely someone who can better disseminate specifically why this is true will respond.
i thought topping would stunt them or shock them to much i see growers topping at node 5 usually just before or at the start of preflower but i accidently topped one & purposely topped another at nodes 2 & 3 & really surprised with their growth
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Last post of the day guys. Later I’ll figure the hell out what day we are on and post that, but my monster, I mean mother, has chosen today to go into ultra impossible bitchy shit patient mode and as I’m alone with her until after dinner today I’ll have no time. But here’s a front and back view from the raise up wheelchair of the tent as a whole with the reservoirs ph adjusted (had to today on one), everyone’s feed done and up to date, all necessary training performed as well as leaf tucking, a few middles cleared, plants respaced to give BB#3 room to stretch, ppfd retested due to minimal light raise, environmental necessities attended to, and fans adjusted as they must be continually as the plants grow. See you all later and my apologies to Carmen for this non labeled photo. Another item I will correct with a full tent schematic late tonight. See you guys later. Nick, try to not abuse your grow today and set yourself further behind. Good luck.
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Ha! Now you’re talking con. You accidentally almost tried something close to a topping style called Uncle Ben’s Method. It is especially effective for those who need small plants and must keep plants short. I encourage to read up on it and it’s an easy find. You’ll see what I’m talking about easily I assure you and it’s quite fascinating. I used to do it a lot and now never do cuz I have zero space issues, but it’s very effective. All that said, I have also tried it on autos and please trust me when I tell you that it’s specifically NOT a smart way to top autos unless absolutely necessary. When you read on it you will completely understand this.
Really nice Jon.Last post of the day guys. Later I’ll figure the hell out what day we are on and post that, but my monster, I mean mother, has chosen today to go into ultra impossible bitchy shit patient mode and as I’m alone with her until after dinner today I’ll have no time. But here’s a front and back view from the raise up wheelchair of the tent as a whole with the reservoirs ph adjusted (had to today on one), everyone’s feed done and up to date, all necessary training performed as well as leaf tucking, a few middles cleared, plants respaced to give BB#3 room to stretch, ppfd retested due to minimal light raise, environmental necessities attended to, and fans adjusted as they must be continually as the plants grow. See you all later and my apologies to Carmen for this non labeled photo. Another item I will correct with a full tent schematic late tonight. See you guys later. Nick, try to not abuse your grow today and set yourself further behind. Good luck.
I am to my plants as your Mom is to you…Last post of the day guys. Later I’ll figure the hell out what day we are on and post that, but my monster, I mean mother, has chosen today to go into ultra impossible bitchy shit patient mode and as I’m alone with her until after dinner today I’ll have no time. But here’s a front and back view from the raise up wheelchair of the tent as a whole with the reservoirs ph adjusted (had to today on one), everyone’s feed done and up to date, all necessary training performed as well as leaf tucking, a few middles cleared, plants respaced to give BB#3 room to stretch, ppfd retested due to minimal light raise, environmental necessities attended to, and fans adjusted as they must be continually as the plants grow. See you all later and my apologies to Carmen for this non labeled photo. Another item I will correct with a full tent schematic late tonight. See you guys later. Nick, try to not abuse your grow today and set yourself further behind. Good luck.
I shouldn’t be trusted with so much as a packet of watercress seeds and some blotting paper
yeah i hear you 1 was accidental & the other was mutated but pleasantly surprised you'll see tomorrow when i update the journal, & will read as you suggested
whats happening there? a bit of nute burn & to much light ? or over watered ? or all of the above ?I am to my plants as your Mom is to you…
I shouldn’t be trusted with so much as a packet of watercress seeds and some blotting paper
Bit of mal treatment to start. The one with the brown marks that’s from my foot ai think. I’ve been having to step over to syringe 12 other plants ai have in there. It was where the second plant is now.
They both show signs of over watering - they skipped yesterday because of that. Its coco so they shouldn’t be overwatered but I’ve seen sometimes. Something not quite right int he root zone. Hopefully its cured by the flush they got today. Its really only the first one I’m worried about. If its not looking better in 24 hours I might flush again with H2o2
Light/nute burn no. They’re on like less than 2 EC, the light is fine and they have Co2.
Over wet - yes but its the “why” which solves it.
There are 26 plants in there at the moment - had to be two of the main event ones! Its not all bad though!
They both show signs of over watering - they skipped yesterday because of that. Its coco so they shouldn’t be overwatered but I’ve seen sometimes. Something not quite right int he root zone. Hopefully its cured by the flush they got today. Its really only the first one I’m worried about. If its not looking better in 24 hours I might flush again with H2o2
Light/nute burn no. They’re on like less than 2 EC, the light is fine and they have Co2.
Over wet - yes but its the “why” which solves it.
There are 26 plants in there at the moment - had to be two of the main event ones! Its not all bad though!
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Well, at least we’re even on minor issues. Unfortunately for you, mine are fixed and past any problems and I have perfect best case scenario plants at the moment. All nine in fact. Better fix that silliness Nick or this won’t just be a victory dance for me but a frenzy of unmitigated and unbridled joy as I bask in beating you by over a pound.I am to my plants as your Mom is to you…
I shouldn’t be trusted with so much as a packet of watercress seeds and some blotting paper
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Truly not bad at all and it is indeed possible to overwater even in coco, albeit only when the plant is that size or less. After that it’s next to if not impossible. And in Dixie cups you cannot possibly be overwatering a plant that size in coco. Literally impossible. I’d suggest you look elsewhere or talk to another coco grower. This is real post as if we weren’t competing. I know it is impossible for you to overwater a plant that size and health in the size vessel she is in assuming a coco mix. That’s not it. @Bill284 will confirm if asked I’m sure of it.Bit of mal treatment to start. The one with the brown marks that’s from my foot ai think. I’ve been having to step over to syringe 12 other plants ai have in there. It was where the second plant is now.
They both show signs of over watering - they skipped yesterday because of that. Its coco so they shouldn’t be overwatered but I’ve seen sometimes. Something not quite right int he root zone. Hopefully its cured by the flush they got today. Its really only the first one I’m worried about. If its not looking better in 24 hours I might flush again with H2o2
Light/nute burn no. They’re on like less than 2 EC, the light is fine and they have Co2.
Over wet - yes but its the “why” which solves it.
There are 26 plants in there at the moment - had to be two of the main event ones! Its not all bad though!
Explained what I think above. Seen it before. Flush can do the trick. Flipping and the nute change too. Then I conceal my crimes against plants with the blades and black refuse sack.
But yeah root zone stuff. Worst case ai guess I unpot/repot. But generally they grow out of it. Most recently it was a Purple Punch first week post flip. Furled leaves and Shed said it looked like a bug making a home. Same yellowed leaves. Now 3 weeks later she’s a boss level plant.
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*sigh*
As I have been trying to make clear to you Nick, I have tricks for days and I’m even dipping into my bag of stuff you guys have never seen from me before. You told me fun or not if we are going to compete on the forum you want my best effort. You’re getting it. All tricks will be revealed in due time and on an as-needed basis. When I told you I have never been pushed by anyone enough to have to display the true range of my skills, you responded by talking more shit than the star of My 600-pound Life in the outhouse after a big BBQ of ribs, beans and raisins. I’ve had enough of your childish discounting and refusal in reality to think I have the slightest chance to compete. Now I have no choice but to get serious about beating you in front of a large audience of your peers. I can see the headlines now:
Professional Grower BEATEN in a Contest for Yield as the Photo Contestant vs an Autoflower Entrant
- shattering the myth that autos are the second class citizens of the pot world leads to growing revolution
- NickHardy currently hospitalized in mental health facility in Thailand
Make no mistake Mr. Hardy. I am going to embarrass you.
As I have been trying to make clear to you Nick, I have tricks for days and I’m even dipping into my bag of stuff you guys have never seen from me before. You told me fun or not if we are going to compete on the forum you want my best effort. You’re getting it. All tricks will be revealed in due time and on an as-needed basis. When I told you I have never been pushed by anyone enough to have to display the true range of my skills, you responded by talking more shit than the star of My 600-pound Life in the outhouse after a big BBQ of ribs, beans and raisins. I’ve had enough of your childish discounting and refusal in reality to think I have the slightest chance to compete. Now I have no choice but to get serious about beating you in front of a large audience of your peers. I can see the headlines now:
Professional Grower BEATEN in a Contest for Yield as the Photo Contestant vs an Autoflower Entrant
- shattering the myth that autos are the second class citizens of the pot world leads to growing revolution
- NickHardy currently hospitalized in mental health facility in Thailand
Make no mistake Mr. Hardy. I am going to embarrass you.
LMFAO!!! "raisins", both your plants look awesome*sigh*
As I have been trying to make clear to you Nick, I have tricks for days and I’m even dipping into my bag of stuff you guys have never seen from me before. You told me fun or not if we are going to compete on the forum you want my best effort. You’re getting it. All tricks will be revealed in due time and on an as-needed basis. When I told you I have never been pushed by anyone enough to have to display the true range of my skills, you responded by talking more shit than the star of My 600-pound Life in the outhouse after a big BBQ of ribs, beans and raisins. I’ve had enough of your childish discounting and refusal in reality to think I have the slightest chance to compete. Now I have no choice but to get serious about beating you in front of a large audience of your peers. I can see the headlines now:
Professional Grower BEATEN in a Contest for Yield as the Photo Contestant vs an Autoflower Entrant
- shattering the myth that autos are the second class citizens of the pot world leads to growing revolution
- NickHardy currently hospitalized in mental health facility in Thailand
Make no mistake Mr. Hardy. I am going to embarrass you.
Wow. She really has frazzled you today.
My studied indifference, my dilettante gentleman farmer routine? Yeah. Nah.
I’m like a shark dude. Never stop moving - always thinking, hustling for that edge. I’ll mash you up, bash you up fo sho.
But I’ll do it serenely. With an insouciant flick of fingers, I clicky clicky et voila - au revoir Jon mon ami…
Bonne soirée
Sincerely,
Your Friend,
Nick
Hardy
My studied indifference, my dilettante gentleman farmer routine? Yeah. Nah.
I’m like a shark dude. Never stop moving - always thinking, hustling for that edge. I’ll mash you up, bash you up fo sho.
But I’ll do it serenely. With an insouciant flick of fingers, I clicky clicky et voila - au revoir Jon mon ami…
Bonne soirée
Sincerely,
Your Friend,
Nick
Hardy
There are some of us with anecdotal evidence that topping at the right time can stall flower. I've heard some of the experts mention this as a thing, including @Justin Goody. Is there scientific evidence that says it's a myth that topping affects the rate at which the plant heads into flower. Afterall, the wrong kind of topping will ruin a plant.
You should be aware that you are one of the better auto growers on the site. I think @Virgin Ground has also said something about topping slowing flower but I may be mistaken.Don't forget that you have studied autoflower plants intensively and this is why you read them and get the results you do. You know when and where to top for best effect, which is often not the case for many growers.
Would you mind telling me what it is in one or two brief sentences please? I really don't have time to read her journal to find out. Where does he top?
@Trala has a beautiful example right now.
You’re correct if you’re saying topping does not affect the DAY it shows sex. But it absolutely affects when it goes into full flowering. It can be tweaked, like everything else. If you know how to speak the plant’s language.
All I can say to anyone regarding their opinion on autos- they have changed. The genetics, the yields, especially the methods. All changed.
Is weed the same as it was 40 years ago? Hell no, it’s not even the same it was 5 years ago.
Plenty of examples around here of autos performing exactly the opposite of popular opinion.
Trala’s Tent
Actually reminds me of a story, a wardie was x1 with a shit dipped patient. I was cleaning, he was log rolling. Anyhoo he was hungover af, and legit said “hang on Tra, hang on..” raced to my side of the bed and turned and spewed in the bin that was beside me. I dry wretched and lolled at the...
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You’re correct if you’re saying topping does not affect the DAY it shows sex. But it absolutely affects when it goes into full flowering. It can be tweaked, like everything else. If you know how to speak the plant’s language.
All I can say to anyone regarding their opinion on autos- they have changed. The genetics, the yields, especially the methods. All changed.
Is weed the same as it was 40 years ago? Hell no, it’s not even the same it was 5 years ago.
Plenty of examples around here of autos performing exactly the opposite of popular opinion.