Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures & Photos From The Garden - 2012

Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

Heheh, I dump all my nutes on changeout day on the lawn in back of my apartment. Everyone marvels at how green my grass is... ROFL if they only knew about the grass INDOORS!


X-actly! I think about how I've had people right next to my locked grow room, and they would have their mind blown if they knew all that was going on behind that door (I try to keep things very discreet)... ;)
 
Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

Hey X,

I cannot disagree. Things usually are easier said than done.. Especially when ur talking about battles within. When my time comes I am hoping to be as informed as possible to limit my setbacks. I do plan on starting a journal. It will probably start with the construction of my grow rooms and go from there. It would be awesome to have members such as yourself following along :thumb:





If I was to start today I would go with Super Soil, but who knows.. Having BPN support in the Journals is huge and I really respect them for that and as far as the results go, you just can't argue with em. One thing I heard about Hydro organic Nutes is there are a lot of complications, but again this is coming from my limited knowledge. I plan on doing a lot of research on BPN organic Nutes for soil and hydro. IMO they definitely have earned that respect. Take care X

:peace:

If there is anything I like as much as following grow journals, it's following growroom buildout projects. I love that stuff - I'll definitely be interested in following. :thumb:
 
Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

Thanks to all who commented on my question regarding the Canna hydro nutes in a soil grow, I really appreciate it! I'm too damn poor to buy any soil specific nutes right now :D

Thanks XL, for allowing me to ask questions here!

Kind regards

Anytime my friend. Hope the grow goes great for you! :)
 
Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

Hey X, since this is a forum for questions and answers...

Do you have a tutorial on harvesting? stuff like how to get the gum hash off your scissors, etc? Sort of a tips and tricks? I saw on OMM's thread about humidity % for curing, but I just wiped my scissors with alcohol swab then read in HMG's journal how his scissors hash was the best part of harvest!!

Anyway, thanks for being here.
:surf:

Hey there Surfbuddy! :surf:

Great question(s)! I am limited on time tonight, but when I get a moment, I'll share with you what our (my wife is our harvest pro) process is In more detail and any tips/tricks I can think of.

I see HMG already shared what he does with scissor hash. We do something similar, we roll goo balls off of our scissors with our fingers, getting the majority that way, then to finish cleaning the scissors good, I use alcohol "wet-wipes" that I buy at the W@lgreens store (those things are super handy!)

Love the topic, though, because harvesting/drying/curing is a whole separate skillset and can be nerve wracking the first few times.

Anybody else want to share their best tips/tricks with all of us?? :)
 
Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

Since you threw my name in here, I'll tell you what I did. I take a clean razor blade and scrape my scissors and pull that off, roll it up and RoorRip. :yummy:

Razor blade is a great idea! +rep!
 
Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

X-actly! I think about how I've had people right next to my locked grow room, and they would have their mind blown if they knew all that was going on behind that door (I try to keep things very discreet)... ;)

I skip past discreet, and go straight to paranoid secrecy. NO ONE knows about my grow except those that live here. Well, okay, one person does, but I'm growing for her as well, soooo.... yeah.
 
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Glad to see your plants are doing so well! I took your seedling advise and started some seeds in the humidity dome. One popped already! Thanks to you this is the way I am going to start seeds from here on out. I really like the fact that I can now place them in pots easier than if I would have started them in a paper towel like I used to.
Looks like your flowers are forming nicely too!!
:goodjob:
There is a question that I had that OMM thought you covered in one of your journals. It is about the time frame for harvesting. What is the window in a plants life where the plant has the most THC?
:circle-of-love:

Coolio CF! Thanks for sharing that it worked well for you with germinating your seeds like that (whew)! I am so glad that you and OMM had good results that way, too. Everyone would have noticed otherwise, lol, and I'd have felt sooo bad! I've learned so much from so many here, I'm just thrilled if I can provide any useful info for others. :)

Another great question (regarding harvest time windows)- let me get back to this one, too, when I'm on my other computer and I have more time (hopefully next couple of days). It's getting late and I'm using iP@d tonight and it sucks typing on this thing!
 
Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

Hey there Surfbuddy! :surf:

Great question(s)! I am limited on time tonight, but when I get a moment, I'll share with you what our (my wife is our harvest pro) process is In more detail and any tips/tricks I can think of.

I see HMG already shared what he does with scissor hash. We do something similar, we roll goo balls off of our scissors with our fingers, getting the majority that way, then to finish cleaning the scissors good, I use alcohol "wet-wipes" that I buy at the W@lgreens store (those things are super handy!)

Love the topic, though, because harvesting/drying/curing is a whole separate skillset and can be nerve wracking the first few times.

Anybody else want to share their best tips/tricks with all of us?? :)

I use my fingers to harvest, mostly. For the trim, I use the fisk@r$ trimmers/pruners, and use a razorblade to get the majority of the gunk off, then go get the 151 rum ((stands like The Captain)) and soak the little scissor blades in a shot of it. Guess where I go from there? Yup, I down a shot. I don't do that much, only a shot at harvest. A sort of Celeb-riation, with a nice after-effect. Not really much of a drinker anymore, but I just can't seem to let any glorious canabinoids go to waste.
 
Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

Closet Farmer

I use sort of mini humidity domes to sprout now with better success rate than paper towels and such.

I use a few different easy methods that basically do the same thing, keep moisture in.

I use 32 oz styrofoam cups and put a clear deli container lid over it, fits perfect, and the big cup has lots of room for the roots to spread.

Also I use 16 oz plastic colored cups with a 12 or 16 oz clear cup upside down over the cup works great and mainly how I clone now. Real good for cloning one or two plants.

Also I have used the clear cups upside down over the seed area in a large pot.

All three methods are working good, and no handling of a delicate seed or sprout.

I forgot I had this pic when I posted earlier

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Great tips Hash Hound, I do something similar sometimes with red solo cups, that have clear cups upside downing top for humidity domes. Works great! +rep for sharing the tips and pics. :thumb:
 
Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

I skip past discreet, and go straight to paranoid secrecy. NO ONE knows about my grow except those that live here. Well, okay, one person does, but I'm growing for her as well, soooo....

I'm with ya on being über paranoid about secrecy. :high-five:
 
Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

Here is another of my home made gizmos. I use it for gnat control. I posted it in one of Doc's journals i think, but after inspecting my plants yesterday, I think it's worth sharing again.

It is made from a piece of plastic support from a furnace carbon filter insert. I use the carbon filter inside my duct for odor. It works so so. But the plastic grid is used to support a piece of regular fly catcher strips that come in a little tube that you pull out and unroll. I unroll a piece and tape it to the grid and place it on the edges of the buckets and they work great. I'm sure some sort of wire screen or anything rigid would work just as well. Very sticky and a pain to work with, and it's a 2 man project. I cut each roll in half, so I have 8 in there right now. Still a few of the buggers flying around, but really keeping them in check as of now.

gnat_trap.jpg
 
Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

Hey X, since this is a forum for questions and answers...

Do you have a tutorial on harvesting? stuff like how to get the gum hash off your scissors, etc? Sort of a tips and tricks? I saw on OMM's thread about humidity % for curing, but I just wiped my scissors with alcohol swab then read in HMG's journal how his scissors hash was the best part of harvest!!

Anyway, thanks for being here.
:surf:

Glad to see your plants are doing so well! I took your seedling advise and started some seeds in the humidity dome. One popped already! Thanks to you this is the way I am going to start seeds from here on out. I really like the fact that I can now place them in pots easier than if I would have started them in a paper towel like I used to.
Looks like your flowers are forming nicely too!!
:goodjob:
There is a question that I had that OMM thought you covered in one of your journals. It is about the time frame for harvesting. What is the window in a plants life where the plant has the most THC?
:circle-of-love:


This is just how I do things, and there are bound to be other opinions from other growers on these topics (there are many ways to skin a cat or grow/harvest a plant!). I realize this is quite wordy, but I thought I'd just run through the process of how we do it. Slow and steady is great with drying, so I'm careful to not let this process happen too quickly. Bud dried too quickly will have a vastly inferior flavor and will be weaker than properly dried/cured bud. Properly dried and cured, MMJ potency and flavor will be maximized.

As far as harvesting, and when to harvest, I look at and consider a number of things... mostly:

Seed companies recommendation for when to harvest:
Some are better and seem more accurate than others. I tend to just expect it will take "at least" that long. Here's a tip for Subcool strains -- he claims his flowering times are based on going right from 18/6 to 12/12. Plants vegged under 24/0 might take a little longer (not much though if any in my experience) and plants that were vegged using the 12-1 technique (Gas Lantern Routine) might be a little quicker, for example. I also look up grow journals from other people to see what their experience was and when they harvested. Due to variations in phenotype and other growing factors that affect finishing time I use the breeders recommendation and other peoples experiences only as a starting point.

Trichome maturation: A small microscope or magnifying glass (I prefer the microscope) can be used to check the trichome development. Trichomes look like little mushrooms under a microscope, and they look clear to begin with. Over time, they typically turn milky, then eventually the head of it will start to turn "amber" colored signifying they have peaked in development and are starting to decline. Many people like to harvest their plants when these trichomes are about 50% milky, and 50% amber. The more amber, the more "stoned" or "couchlock" the effect will be. Less amber, more milky or clear, and your effect will be a little "racier" or "high" (think giggly) and you won't have as much of a narcotic effect. Personally, I prefer to harvest (generally speaking) when they are about 10-25% amber, mostly milky (I don't like to feel such strong narcotic effect). You may have multiple plants with different windows of harvest time, so you'll have to keep an eye on them individually as far as best window if you do. Plants are at their peak maturity just before the trichomes start ambering. Once they start ambering, they are dying and will start a gradual decline in potency. Individual budsites might mature faster than others, so I harvest based on what is happening at the height of the majority of the canopy for each plant, if that makes sense. When I check the trichomes, I sample from 3-4 places on each plant to get a fuller picture of what's happening.

Pistil/Calyx maturation: The pistils will turn reddish brown (color depends on the plant, but usually reddish brown) and start to recede into the false seed-pod as they mature. Basically, the calyx (where the seed would be if there were seeds) swells larger and larger until it almost looks like there really is a seed in it, and the pistils will begin to shrivel up almost receding back into the calyx. This is another sign of peek maturity. If the calyx doesn't look very swollen and the pistils are still really hanging out there on their own, you probably need more time. I also look for the majority of the pistils to have changed colors before it's ready.

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Once I decide they are ready to harvest, I make sure I have everything ready in advance. I wear rubber gloves to keep my hands less sticky. The ones I buy personally are usually "purple nitrile" exam gloves that can be found at a drug store, etc. Additionally, I make sure we have our trimming scissors. There are many different types of trimmers that work for this. I prefer a good pair of small scissors with sharp pointed tip, but it's all personal preference. Lastly, we use pant hangers to hang our branches with, so I make sure we have enough of these to harvest our plants.

Harvest time: I start by cutting off individual branches and separating them into different "piles" on our trimming tables by strain/plant. We immediately trim the large fans off of them, and any non "bud" leaf. Usually my wife is already working on this while I remove branches from the plants. Once we have all the branches plucked and separated, we start trimming the bud leaves and buds while they are on the branch. Personally, I try to trim them very close and thoroughly - (they dry faster with a good trim, so be careful not to overdry them too fast).

Once a branch is thoroughly trimmed up (there should be nothing but the branch and trimmed budsites) we hang it upside down either in a small separate room we have, or in our grow tent if there is room (no other plants in there still growing!). I use the little clamps on the pants hangers to "pinch" the fat end of the branch. I don't like it to be pinched shut (sealing moisture in) so I'm careful to monitor that. One great tip related to this: We found little add-on clips that can be put on hangers so that instead of (2) clips on the pant hangers, there are several. I think we found these at the local grocery or drug store somewhere, but they are handy! Otherwise we make sure we have enough hangers or use rubberbands to tie branches to the hangers. Our ceiling is easy to hang hangers from, but you can makeshift a clothesline or something (which is what we do in our tent).

As we trim, any loose buds that fall off (or get cut off by accident) go into a little dish that we use to quick-dry/sample what we are trimming. It's fun to be feeling the high from what we are working on, so I usually am vaping/smoking these little accident nuggets along the way. We save goo balls from our scissors and make larger goo balls as the night goes on. These get added to a bowl and smoked for fun! I keep a supply of 72% alcohol "wet-wipes", which work great for cleaning off the excess stickyness of scissors, etc. (I don't drink much, but Jandre had a cool idea about cleaning the scissors with 151 rum and drinking the shot!)

Once all branches are trimmed and hung, we usuallly place a small fan in the room blowing under (NOT on) the plants. Just to keep circulation in the room. You don't want them to dry too fast. We usually let them hang 3-4 days, depending on humidity. We check them periodically for signs that they are ready with this phase. We err on the side of still moist vs. too dry. When the branches feel more prone to "snap" and the buds feel somewhat dry on the outside, we take the branches down and clip the buds off. They go into jars right away, and sealed up for about 12-24 hours depending on how dry they seemed when put in the jar.

After about 12-24 hours, I open the jars. I'm looking for the buds to seem a bit damp/moist again. Basically, when you hang them, the outside drys first. Jarring them brings the moisture to the outer parts of the bud, too, again. At this point, I typically give them periods of airing out by putting each jar into it's own small brown paper bag for a period of time, looking for the outside to start to feel a bit "dry" again (don't overdry!!). Then, they go back into jars again. I keep repeating this process until I feel like they are "close" without being too dry.

Once they are close, I put them in jars and burp daily until I feel they are where I want them (one to two weeks usually?). TIP: Finally, I put these in each wide-mouth Mason style jar:

Amazon: 4-pack: Humidipak 62%

These "humidipaks" will help keep your bud at roughly 62% humidity, which is fairly ideal for MMJ. If your jar starts to get too dry, it adds humidity. If it gets too humid, it removes it. This is an awesome product from what I can tell so far (just started using this with my last harvest, and this product is fairly new (at least at a cannabis friendly humidity level). The 62% humidipaks were created specifically for MMJ as I understand it. These are working great so far for me! One tip on the humidipaks: They won't be a substitute for a proper drying process, but once you are there, they seem to do a great job of keeping things just right! :)

Did I miss anything or leave any other questions? Again, this is just how we do it - many other great ways to do this, too! :)
 
Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

Yeah! Thanks X! A few questions...

When you are checking trichomes, are you only looking at buds or do sugar leaves or other leaves suffice? my leaves seem to have amber but not the nugs... I imagine its the buds we are interested in.

You say burp... how long do you leave the jar open? Just long enough to take a few good inhales of the smell? an hour?

I put humidipaks in with mine I think too early, and when I pulled the nugs out for their second airation, I left the humidipak in with my hygrometer overnight and it read 70! Not sure if it absorbed lots o water to the point where it couldn't maintain RH or if my hygrometer sucks (it is a cheapo dial terrerium one), but once I complete my outdoor humidiy test for Jandre I'll use my digi RH meter to check that humidipak vs. another one. Are yours right on at 62?
 
Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

Here is another of my home made gizmos. I use it for gnat control. I posted it in one of Doc's journals i think, but after inspecting my plants yesterday, I think it's worth sharing again.

It is made from a piece of plastic support from a furnace carbon filter insert. I use the carbon filter inside my duct for odor. It works so so. But the plastic grid is used to support a piece of regular fly catcher strips that come in a little tube that you pull out and unroll. I unroll a piece and tape it to the grid and place it on the edges of the buckets and they work great. I'm sure some sort of wire screen or anything rigid would work just as well. Very sticky and a pain to work with, and it's a 2 man project. I cut each roll in half, so I have 8 in there right now. Still a few of the buggers flying around, but really keeping them in check as of now.

gnat_trap.jpg


That's a cool idea - I hate those damned f#@%&*ing gnats! I appreciate you sharing that tip Hash Hound! +rep :thumb:
 
Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

Yeah! Thanks X! A few questions...

When you are checking trichomes, are you only looking at buds or do sugar leaves or other leaves suffice? my leaves seem to have amber but not the nugs... I imagine its the buds we are interested in.

You say burp... how long do you leave the jar open? Just long enough to take a few good inhales of the smell? an hour?

I put humidipaks in with mine I think too early, and when I pulled the nugs out for their second airation, I left the humidipak in with my hygrometer overnight and it read 70! Not sure if it absorbed lots o water to the point where it couldn't maintain RH or if my hygrometer sucks (it is a cheapo dial terrerium one), but once I complete my outdoor humidiy test for Jandre I'll use my digi RH meter to check that humidipak vs. another one. Are yours right on at 62?

Hi :surf:

Well, I try to look both places actually for ambering. Occassionally it seems the sugar leaves amber sooner than the buds (sounds like you are seeing that, too), so I do check there too by pulling a popcorn bud. I usually sample them afterwards, by quick-drying them, or I let them dry a couple of days on their own to gauge the "high". If I really like the high, and the other signs are there that it's done/almost done, I initiate flushing for a few days, then harvest.

When I burp, I usually take the lid off. Then I roll the buds around inside the jar or gently shake them while turning the jar in my hands kinda sideways, just trying to dislodge stuck buds and make sure air is getting in there to all parts, so to speak. Then I screw the lid on, and do the same with other jars. And oh YEAH, I take a few big ole whiffs for fun!! :) If it's early in the process and they seem especially damp/moist to me I might even dump them into a little paper bag or bowl for a couple of minutes or longer before re-drying them.

I know you've been battling humidity in your grow room, and I started to wonder if you were certain your hygrometer was accurate. They are notoriously inaccurate out of the box, so to speak. One of the most difficult things I've dealt with is finding reliable hygrometers it seems like. I feel like the ones from the big box retailers are almost wrong more often than right. I was actually going to bring this up before you brought up the question on the humidipaks...

My humidipaks do read right around 62% (+/- one or two percent). I'm very new to using them, so I can only hazard guesses as to why they wouldn't be working correct. First are you certain you have the 62's? It should say on the front I think. They do also make 70% versions, too (or 72 maybe). Otherwise, perhaps you did put them in too early as you suggested? Not sure what the right number is for them, but I put (2) per quart jar, which for me usually holds 3/4 - 1z of MMJ, and the RH has been accurate (right around 62 the variance might be my hygrometer(s)).
 
Hey, buddy. I just wanted t drop by and say, "Thank you!" for turning me onto Silica. It has already worked wonders for my Bonsai Mothers in the Maternity Ward.

Check it out: Cardboard Flowerbox Test 3 - 41 Week Perpetual SOG

There's also a DIY CO2 generator in there. If ya like I can post the link for that here, too.
 
Hey, buddy. I just wanted t drop by and say, "Thank you!" for turning me onto Silica. It has already worked wonders for my Bonsai Mothers in the Maternity Ward.

Check it out: Cardboard Flowerbox Test 3 - 41 Week Perpetual SOG

There's also a DIY CO2 generator in there. If ya like I can post the link for that here, too.

Love it. Glad the silica worked so well for you. That's why I'm always rambling on about it! ;)

Share the link - you really knocked it out of the park on your DIY tutorial. You should create a separate thread for that too, IMHO. Speaking of which, can I blog your post on the co2 gen? All credit will remain yours... It's just exactly the kind of thing I like to put there if you're cool with it. Great Job my friend. OH, and big congrats on the weight loss. I've recently lost almost 30 and have hit my target of 170 lbs., but that's nothing compared to dropping 75! It's a great feeling though, and I'm really happy for you. :bravo:
 
21 days flower today for the bloomers

Pluck pluck pluck! Snip,snip. Made some airy space for the ladies tonight. Took some pics - will try to get them up tomorrow.

Seedlings are looking great - so fun to see my own crosses finally coming to life. Love the mystery of it - hope there's something fun to come from the breeding experiment. (2) OG Rippers (OG kush x Jack the Ripper), (2) Deadhead Jacks (Deadhead OG x Jack the Ripper). In addition, I have (2) pineapple expresses I germed for fun, too. (6) seedling total. Once they are old enough I'll clone, sex, and "weed" out the males. ;)

Have a great weekend all! :bong:
 
Love it. Glad the silica worked so well for you. That's why I'm always rambling on about it! ;)

Share the link - you really knocked it out of the park on your DIY tutorial. You should create a separate thread for that too, IMHO. Speaking of which, can I blog your post on the co2 gen? All credit will remain yours... It's just exactly the kind of thing I like to put there if you're cool with it. Great Job my friend. OH, and big congrats on the weight loss. I've recently lost almost 30 and have hit my target of 170 lbs., but that's nothing compared to dropping 75! It's a great feeling though, and I'm really happy for you. :bravo:

:cheesygrinsmiley: thanks on the weight loss!

I can give you the direct link to the blog of it, or I can do the link to it in my my journal... Which would you prefer?

The journal post
The Blog post

Of course you can re-blog it! I'd be honored! WOW! I posted something that's going in one of the best blogs in 420Mag?! just.... WOW! Thank you!
 
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