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Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012
Thanks for going out of your way to look that up for me. I really appreciate that brother!
Awesome man, thanks!
Nice, I am so psyched to try it!
The chart really helps me - nice!
hey x, theirs a great vid or dvd by jorge cervantes, its called jorge cervantes ultimate grow dvd, if you search the net you can find a torrent version and download it like i did, it has a great section on the dvd towards the end about making hash and what kind of smoke you get from each size of bag you use, he used all the bags you can buy starting with big holes and working to the smallest holes and he gives a verdict on the best hole size, it wasnt the smallest size as it contained broken trics and im sure it was the next bag size up to that, ill try and find the part in the dvd and let you know, you should be able to get the grow dvd yourself, theirs loads on the net, i just googled n came across that one and it pretty much covers everything
just watched it again and he says the best hash comes out of the 76micron bag, might be best if you watch it yourself mate so you can see the whole process and judge for yourself what you think is best, used 5 or 6 bags and ended up with 5 or 6 piles of hash, the smallest was 46 microns or something like that, its right towards the end of the dvd if you want to skip past the rest,
Thanks for going out of your way to look that up for me. I really appreciate that brother!
Hey X,
Trying to find where I bought my last bag and what micron mesh it is. I think 160. Getting ready for work so I'll try to look it up when I get home. But iirc I think it was about $15 total and shipped out of Colorado.
Awesome man, thanks!
I would use the 220 mesh. Maybe I am wrong but isn't 220 micons smaller than 80? My 220 Micron bubble bag is from a 5 bag set and this bag was the second to finest mesh bag. I don't like keif. With the 220 micron all I got was yellow trichome hash. Killer.
My bag would not fit over any 5 gallon buckets that I had. So I used a small round rubber maid garbage can. I used bungie ties to secure really good. Worked great. Within minutes I was smoking hash.
Also, I could not find the dry ice pellets. I bought a block of ice and carefully broke it into small pieces using an ice pick and some rubber gloves.
Nice, I am so psyched to try it!
Xlr8: No, get the a bag that is between 65 and 80 microns... 110 is very fast, but you get plant material very quickly into your triches reducing the purity of your hash in a hurry.
Closet Farmer, I think you have the US MESH confused with microns... they are NOT the same 220MESH bag is actually .067mm or 67 microns... 220 microns is actually .22mm, 110 is .11mm, and 80 microns is .08mm. It's not like "Guage" where the bigger the number, the smaller the diameter, or the US MESH that gets smaller in diameter as the number rises.
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By the chart above, your 220MESH bag was actually .067mm, or 67 micron. this makes perfect sense as 65 to 80 microns is the best size to use to separate the trichomes from the plant material before that too gets pulverized by the dry ice and begins to come through as well.
What does mesh size mean? Figuring out mesh sizes is simple. All you do is count the number of openings in one inch of screen (in the United States, anyway.) The number of openings is the mesh size. So a 4-mesh screen means there are four little squares across one linear inch of screen. A 100-mesh screen has 100 openings, and so on. As the number describing the mesh size increases, the size of the particles decreases. Higher numbers equal finer material. Mesh size is not a precise measurement of particle size.
The chart really helps me - nice!
Xlr8: No, get the a bag that is between 65 and 80 microns... 110 is very fast, but you get plant material very quickly into your triches reducing the purity of your hash in a hurry.
Closet Farmer, I think you have the US MESH confused with microns... they are NOT the same 220MESH bag is actually .067mm or 67 microns... 220 microns is actually .22mm, 110 is .11mm, and 80 microns is .08mm. It's not like "Guage" where the bigger the number, the smaller the diameter, or the US MESH that gets smaller in diameter as the number rises.
Thank you for clarifying! I was confused with US Mesh and Microns. By your chart I am actully using the 67 microns which is perfect.
I just use the second to last bag from my 5 bag kit. I will never used the other bags again. Making bubble bag hash is very tiresome and time consuming. And the only Hash that is smokable is what goes through the second to last bag and ends up in the last bag. Now that I have microns and US Mesh figured out. I would like to find a metal 70 micron screen. I noticed some hairs come off the nylon mesh.
hehe, glad I could clear that up for you. I thought that's what had happened. Try that shopping site that shares its name with a huge rainforest in South America. I got 5 1gal bbl bags for 35 bucks. I have tried them all, and can say that the 73 micron bag which I have is the best for this type of extraction. I can also use the 110 to extend the smoke, but reduce the quality. The first 20 seconds at best is pure, then the plant matter gets powdery after being frozen, and begins to come though as well. Toward the end, if I do it right, I can actually see the color change from chartreuse in the beginning to puce at the end...
Xlr8
I'm not sure of the micron size, but I use a piece of 160 silk screen used for making t-shirts and it works great for shaker hash. I think I read that in an old High Times if I remember. And it was fairly inexpensive for a 1 sq yd.
I am going to try it for the dry ice method on the current grow trim when complete.
Drive Bye Xlr.
Looks like another round huh. I don't think anyone can go wrong with SLH. Love the plant. Might be the best weed Greenhouse Seeds ever grew. I need to get some more of it in stock soon.
I can't make the call on the bags myself except I'd opt for the 5 gallon size. It's alot of work to do. I don't even want to think of how much work that could be. I guess if you onley have minimal material to work, but still just like garden we all start smaller than we should. I still remember not to long ago, I thought a 150 watt light wood be all I needed for a plant or two, LOL isn't that a joke. But the 220 is your working bag. It wood filter out 85% of the trash. But when you are trying for the best smoke posiable, it's surely NOT the right one. Finer screens take along time to drain.But I think if I had to do without a full set of 5 bags atleast, I'd get the working bag to get the bulk out and maybe a 120 to cut that left over 15% in half. That should be desent bubble hash. Man speaking of that I got alot of work out there in the deep freeze.
Looking good my friend Keepem Green
Yes, I'm psyched about the SLH. She sounds so so good to me. My wife is really excited about this one too. She loves the "lemony" flavor of our Jack the Ripper just harvested, which tastes more lemony by the day. It was almost cherry/lemon then lemon/cherry, no mostly lemon. Funny how the flavors and aromas mature as the cure progresses, and sometimes really change (sometimes not so much either).
everyone for the great insight and helpful posts on this. I've been soaking it up and started doing my own little research on dry ice extraction. Here's what I've determined, someone correct me if this is incorrect:
It appears the best dry ice hash can be attained either through about 100 micron or finer. OR, you can also get the fine hash using a larger micron bag (not as fine) because the best material comes out first, and the quality will go down with "time" as far as how long you shake/work it. The best example I saw of this, in practice, was a guy with a 220 micron bag that used a long glass table to "shake" the material out onto. As he shook the bags, he moved down the table. The best material was where he started, and the worst where he finished. One benefit of dry ice extraction is that the larger bags will work as long as you are mindful of having a strategy to collect the pollen in stages in order to keep the best material separate - since the higher grade material will separate out first naturally.
Having said all that, I'm thinking of going with (1), possibly (2) bags purchased individually. I'm thinking of going with a 70-90 micron bag, but might also pick up a 160 to play around with for the lesser grade material. I'm also thinking of doing "All Mesh" bags versus the ones that have the solid sides. I've found a couple of places that sell what appear to be decent bags for about $18-20 per bag sold individually - which seems like a totally great price to me.
Any opinions on the all mesh bags vs. the others? Thanks again you guys for the insight. Let me know if I'm off base with my thinking on this. +rep to all who weighed in on it (if I haven't repped someone too recently).