zeroday
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And yes, I purposely posted the temp meter upside down. That's how it hangs in the tent!
Who Let The Dogs Out? Chem Comparison Grow!
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BTW, doubling down on the Paper Towel germ method. 15 seeds germinated for this grow, 15 tap roots!
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Just took this. The low temps and low humidity are from yesterday. Keeping it at 75-78F and ~65% RH. I'll let it go up as high as it wants though. After all, when I do these in smaller pots, I put them in a humidity dome where its 100% just about all the time.
Note, I also turned down the two Quantum Boards. They run at roughly 485 watts at full power. I dimmed them down to about 195 watts each. I did this because the top of the soil was drying out way to quickly. Also, if I put lights on at 100%, it creates too much heat so that the exhaust has to constantly run. This of course sucks all the humidity out of the tent, the one phase of life I actually want humidity in there. Dialing back the lights keeps the temp down enough that it doesn't need the exhaust constantly.
This is usually not a problem. I typically control the temp/humidy of the room, which in turn controls the temp/humidity in the tents. Hard to do given I am mixing final harvest for my Dos-Si-Dos grow, drying plants already cut down, and vegging new plants coming up. As most of you know, the balance is critical when at different stages across different grows. It can be a challenge!
Anway, long answer to a short question. Appologies for that.
Sounds good! I was just curious what humidity you were targeting. I have mine set at about 73F/65%. Looks like you have it dialed in. My lights aren't as powerful as yours, but I too have them turned way down for this early stage. If I recall correctly, they only need about 500 PPFD during veg. So I agree, keep the temp down and humidity up!
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Sorry for the dumb question, what is PPFD? I'm assuming a form of light measurement?
Basically, the tap root gets air pruned at about four inches or 10 cm when it reaches the bottom of the pot. This forces the plant to develop secondary roots off of the tap root. These roots are guided to the holes in the sides of the pot, and are also air pruned. That starts development of tertiary roots from the secondary roots.
Equating this to solo cups, you need a hole in the bottom of the cup. The cup needs to be raised so that the tap root extends out of the cup. The tap root needs lower humidity and air to be air pruned. The holes in the sides of the Rootmaker nursery pots do the same thing for the secondary roots.
When you have sufficient root mass, you up pot to a similar container about double the diameter of the original pot.
The Rootmaker system is very similar to the Air Pot system. They both do the same for the roots. They do this without stressing the plants.
My caged grow bags do the same thing as well. The roots grow through the bags and are air pruned, promoting grow of the smaller roots.
I'd like to get the Rootmaker Express 18 Injected-Molded Trays and some of the one gallon round pots, but they are only available as case lots here in Canada. I've been looking around for smaller quantities without success so far. If I can't find them, I'll go with seedling bags from e-Bay, and put them in net pots.
Yes, The photosynthetic photon flux density (PPFD) is the number of photosynthetically active photons hitting a surface per unit area per unit time. The units are µmol per sq meter per second. These are the photons associated with light in the wavelengths of 400 - 700nm.
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Yes!
@Old Salt, @Pennywise and @TheMadDabber were all really helpful in my first grow teaching me about light levels, and different ways to measure it. At that time, I was doing some research, and came across this article. I have it bookmarked, as I think it does a nice job of explaining different light metrics. Hope that you find it helpful if you get a chance to check it out, @zeroday
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Thanks Mr. Salt. If you find a source in Canada, let me know. I'd give it a try. Hope you are having a great long weekend. Been chilly here - starting to feel like fall already for the past week.
I think I can share this photo here since the parents of this plant are Chem's Sister and Chocolate Diesel. The plant is about 2 weeks from harvest and frosting up nicely. It is taking some getting used to how the plants finish in my homemade organic soil compared to how they finished in Promix with synthetic nutrients. They show quite a bit more wear and tear with many fan leaves being sucked dry of their sugar by the plant. I just harvested and trimmed my first fully organically grown plant. I'm anxious to see how it tastes after a 3-4 week cure.
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I think I can share this photo here since the parents of this plant are Chem's Sister and Chocolate Diesel. The plant is about 2 weeks from harvest and frosting up nicely. It is taking some getting used to how the plants finish in my homemade organic soil compared to how they finished in Promix with synthetic nutrients. They show quite a bit more wear and tear with many fan leaves being sucked dry of their sugar by the plant. I just harvested and trimmed my first fully organically grown plant. I'm anxious to see how it tastes after a 3-4 week cure.
Beautiful!
Hey everyone,
Welcome to the long weekend! (I hope most if not all of you get Monday off).
I moved my little ones into their 3-gallon fabric pots just now. I think that I timed it pretty well this go around. I wasn't getting the droopy leaf look I got last time when I waited too long. A bit of root circling, but definitely not root-bound. Nice root systems going, and I think they will love the extra space.
I am pretty convinced that the sad leaves on my Chem 91 was a calcium deficiency. You can see the wrinkled and slighted spotted leaves in the pics below. I already increased the cal/mag a few days ago, and the new leaves look pretty good.
PS: the three older plants on the right are my attempt at keeping mothers/bonsais. There are 2x Cookie Kush and 1x Train Wreck. They just got a trim, so are looking a bit sad. Trying to train them into a better shape over time as well.
Hope that everyone is doing great!
Nice bard! I am also going to try to start a bonsai mom. I have a rooted cutting from each Cookies and chem and I will keep which ever smoke I like the best!
I’m so jealous of you Beezy! And also very excited for you! HahaI think I can share this photo here since the parents of this plant are Chem's Sister and Chocolate Diesel. The plant is about 2 weeks from harvest and frosting up nicely. It is taking some getting used to how the plants finish in my homemade organic soil compared to how they finished in Promix with synthetic nutrients. They show quite a bit more wear and tear with many fan leaves being sucked dry of their sugar by the plant. I just harvested and trimmed my first fully organically grown plant. I'm anxious to see how it tastes after a 3-4 week cure.
I’ve been really wanting to do organics myself.. I’ve learned a lot reading The Revs book, but but I did just get a gallon of dyna-gro so..
I’ve been thinking of Earthbox Probiotic wellness garden. It’s like a living organic soil that’s mycorrhiza heavy and draws water from a simple bottom reservoir. It seems like a great recyclable living organics system.
Officially @zeroday ! Love your success rate, you’ve really got your method down. Can’t wait to see what you can do with those autos. Do you have any yield goals for your chemdogging?Just a quick pic of the ladies today everyone. I don’t have the energy to do much more. Everybody is stretchin away, smaller plants especially.
Everything’s growing right along. Should be an interesting next couple of months. I hope they take to the dyna-gro.
In regards to the video, I think my experience shows this as well. My fastest growing through veg was the plant I went from 1 to 3 gallons in. My plant that went from 1 to 5 gallons grew a bit slower at first in veg, but I think it will be my heaviest yielder... will be interesting to see. Maybe it won’t be.
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Hi Chef, No, I haven't really thought about a target yield. This is my second Auto grow, and I haven't trimmed/weighed the first Auto grow yet! I'm hoping for 1oz - 1.5oz per plant (average).
Nice pics!
That’ll be a nice stash of chem for ya! Any reason in particular that you decided to go for the autos?
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I was originally going to grow 4x Gelato and 4x Purple Haze, all autos. Then when I came across this thread, I decided to do Chemdog of some sort, instead of the Gelato, but it had to be Auto, because the other 4 plants in the tent are Auto. Of course, I then came across 4 Assed Monkey, which I had been looking for but it has been out of stock for months. I came across it a couple weeks back, and decided to do them instead of the Purple Haze. I'll be doing the Gelato and Purple Haze next batch, assuming I still like Autos. Again, this is my second Auto grow, so I am not sure yet if they are compatible with my growing style.
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Autos can be fun, but they are also a bit tricky, for me at least - no margin for error. And I make lots of errors!
Autos are on their own timeline, so they didn't give me time to recover if I made a mistake in veg. I think that I am going to stick with photoperiod gals for the next bit, and then try another auto run. I have a ton of auto seeds in storage, so they will make an appearance at some stage. Probably won't buy more auto seeds for a long time though.
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Autos can be fun, but they are also a bit tricky, for me at least - no margin for error. And I make lots of errors!
So far, this is spot on with my opinion! No room for error. Also, because of the fact that they are on their own schedule, it feels like I need to be on top of them allot more than with my photos. Lastly, I feel like they are much more bitchy than photos are.
I'll tell ya, I'm definetly not comfortable enough to rely on Autos for my meds, which is why I have a photo grow going on in parallel this time around, similar to how I did last grow. I basically treated the autos as, if they grow and week comes off, it'll be extra weed, I'll still have my Tangie and DoSiDos for my med needs.
I too have a bunch of Autos in storage. It didn't help that I switched out strains at the last minute. I didn't get rid of seeds, I bought new ones, so will wind up with 4 more than I had (2 left over from each strain).
Anyway, to each his/her own. But I am with you 100% on this one @The Bard
I like auto flowering plants to use as fillers. They'll grow anywhere, under any lights, with any lighting schedule. So I may have an auto that is a week into flowering growing in my veg tent under a 450 watt LED at 18/6 lighting. I harvest a plant out of my flowering tent but don't have any plants ready to replace it. So I just grab that auto flower plant and stick it in my flowering tent at 12/12 lighting under my QB lights and the plant does just great. When a photo plant is finished vegging and is ready to go into flowering I simply pull the auto flower out of the flowering tent and replace it with that photo plant. The auto flower goes back into the veg tent and is quite content. First time I did this I was certain the plant would do something whacky...….nanners at the very least, or maybe just die. But that first auto grown in a couple different environments with different lighting and light schedules did really quite well.
So now I keep an auto flowrer plant running almost all the time. I HATE having an open slot in my flowering tent. It just seems such a waste of light.
So now I keep an auto flowrer plant running almost all the time. I HATE having an open slot in my flowering tent. It just seems such a waste of light.
I like auto flowering plants to use as fillers. They'll grow anywhere, under any lights, with any lighting schedule. So I may have an auto that is a week into flowering growing in my veg tent under a 450 watt LED at 18/6 lighting. I harvest a plant out of my flowering tent but don't have any plants ready to replace it. So I just grab that auto flower plant and stick it in my flowering tent at 12/12 lighting under my QB lights and the plant does just great. When a photo plant is finished vegging and is ready to go into flowering I simply pull the auto flower out of the flowering tent and replace it with that photo plant. The auto flower goes back into the veg tent and is quite content. First time I did this I was certain the plant would do something whacky...….nanners at the very least, or maybe just die. But that first auto grown in a couple different environments with different lighting and light schedules did really quite well.
So now I keep an auto flowrer plant running almost all the time. I HATE having an open slot in my flowering tent. It just seems such a waste of light.
Is that a dark devil? She’s a beaut.
You hit the nail on the head, Chef D I love growing Dark Devil autos.
Knew it, the dark purple and towering main cola give it away every time. It’s a very particular morphology, especially when you know it’s an auto