Who Let The Dogs Out? Chem Comparison Grow!

[Bean 7175]

I think everyone stresses a little during that delicate stage of the plant's life. Having said that, I'm glad I got through mine!

Here's my CD #4 at day 35. She's been handling the training great and has a nice flat canopy right now.

CD #4

• MrSauga
• Aug 28, 2019

CD #4-2

• MrSauga
• Aug 28, 2019

Fantastic pictures Mr Sauga. Very nice. I been watching the way you guys train and it is look good. I'll have to try.

 

[The Bard]

Fantastic pictures Mr Sauga. Very nice. I been watching the way you guys train and it is look good. I'll have to try.

Hey Ms. Bean! How're you and your young 'uns doing today?

 

[Bean 7175]

Hey Ms. Bean! How're you and your young 'uns doing today?

Started all over Bard.

I'm doing fine Bard, thank you. Still haven't received Chemdog in the mail. I want to wait and see if these unknown seed sprout good first and stay heathy. Place in soil Yesterday, day 1. Waiting on seeing what is happening with this hurricane out to sea.

 

[The Bard]

Started all over Bard.

I'm doing fine Bard, thank you. Still haven't received Chemdog in the mail. I want to wait and see if these unknown seed sprout good first and stay heathy. Place in soil Yesterday, day 1. Waiting on seeing what is happening with this hurricane out to sea.

Fingers-crossed for you, on many fronts!! Smart idea to do a trial run on the "unknowns." Hope the storm stays well away. Have a great long weekend!

 

[zeroday]

Started all over Bard.

Love that trick: Clear solo cup inside a solid color. Make checking the roots so f'in easy. I'm assuming that's why you did it. I'm gonna have to borrow that idea!

 

[Bean 7175]

Thank you for the luck @Bard. I'll take it. @zereday I'm not the 1st one that thought of the solo trick but I do think it's a fantastic idea.

 

[ChefDGreen]

Love that trick: Clear solo cup inside a solid color. Make checking the roots so f'in easy. I'm assuming that's why you did it. I'm gonna have to borrow that idea!

It’s true, I first saw that from @beez0404 .

@Old Salt awww how upsetting you won’t be joining in the fun!

@Bean 7175 make sure everything stays nice and moist until they pop their heads!

 

[The Bard]

Hey everyone,

Just a quick photo update on the two chem cousins. I am a bit worried about the Chem 91 - crinkled leaves. Will watch her closely for the next couple of days and hope that the new growth continues to look healthy. The first set of true leaves don't look completely happy:

The Dinachem looks pretty good. Maybe a little light green, but I don't want to increase the nutes on them yet.

I have to up-pot a different plant from this grow tomorrow, and I'll see if either of these gals want a bigger home. Monday at the latest they'll go into their 3-gallon fabric forever homes.

Have a good weekend, all!

 

[Old Salt]

It’s true, I first saw that from @beez0404 .

@Old Salt awww how upsetting you won’t be joining in the fun!

@Bean 7175 make sure everything stays nice and moist until they pop their heads!

I'll follow along, but I really need to restock my indica. I'm the only one in both my wife's, and my family growing. I'm sure I'll need RSO for one or more of them sooner than we want that to happen. FYI: I worked back from Rick's values to get the following:

4 days 0.5 grain 3X daily = 6 grains each capsule = rosin from 1/8 gm flower
4 days 1.0 grains 3X daily = 12 grains 36 capsules needed
4 days 2.0 grains 3X daily = 24 grains each capsule = rosin from 1/2 gm flower
4 days 4.0 grains 3X daily = 48 grains 36 capsules needed
4 days 8.0 grains 3X daily = 96 grains each capsule = rosin from 2 gm flower
40 days 16.0 grains 3X daily = 1920 grains 252 capsules needed
Total = 2106 grains
Complete regimen ≈ oil from 454gm flowers
Therefore 1 grain ≈ oil from 1/4 gm flower

Grains refers to size of dose as compared to short grain rice. I mix coconut oil with the rosin to make it easier to fill the capsules. I use size 2 capsules for the 0.5 and 2 grain doses, and size 0 for the 8 grain doses. One capsule is taken for the low doses, two for the high doses. Rather than solvents, I use a rosin press for the extractions. The above uses a little over 500 gm flower, which is about 10% more than Rick's course of treament. I recommend 40 days at 8 grains six time per day, rather than 16 grains three time per day.

 

[MrSauga]

I am a bit worried about the Chem 91 - crinkled leaves. Will watch her closely for the next couple of days and hope that the new growth continues to look healthy. The first set of true leaves don't look completely happy:

Many times those first set of leaves look funky. The second set and the new growth coming out looks fantastic. I wouldn't worry to be honest.

 

[The Bard]

Many times those first set of leaves look funky. The second set and the new growth coming out looks fantastic. I wouldn't worry to be honest.

Yay! That makes me happy. Thanks Sauga.

 

[Bean 7175]

It’s true, I first saw that from @beez0404 .

@Old Salt awww how upsetting you won’t be joining in the fun!

@Bean 7175 make sure everything stays nice and moist until they pop their heads!

Thank you ChefDGreen, I did let them dry out, lets just hope, I didn't damage them.

 

[The Bard]

Hey everyone,

Welcome to the long weekend! (I hope most if not all of you get Monday off).

I moved my little ones into their 3-gallon fabric pots just now. I think that I timed it pretty well this go around. I wasn't getting the droopy leaf look I got last time when I waited too long. A bit of root circling, but definitely not root-bound. Nice root systems going, and I think they will love the extra space.

I am pretty convinced that the sad leaves on my Chem 91 was a calcium deficiency. You can see the wrinkled and slighted spotted leaves in the pics below. I already increased the cal/mag a few days ago, and the new leaves look pretty good.

PS: the three older plants on the right are my attempt at keeping mothers/bonsais. There are 2x Cookie Kush and 1x Train Wreck. They just got a trim, so are looking a bit sad. Trying to train them into a better shape over time as well.

Hope that everyone is doing great!

 

[beez0404]

I've been doing a good bit of reading about graduating pot sizes. So where you went from a solo cup to a 4 gallon fabric pot many say to go from the solo cup to a 1/2 gallon pot. Build the root system in the 1/2 gallon pot and up-pot into a 1 gallon pot. And from the 1 gallon, when the roots are well established going up to a 2 gallon pot. From the 2 gallon, when the roots are well established you move up to a 4 gallon.

I'm wondering if @Emilya can share her thoughts on this? The more research I am doing the more I'm running across the saying "grow the roots and not the plant" which is making more and more sense to me.

 

[The Bard]

I've been doing a good bit of reading about graduating pot sizes. So where you went from a solo cup to a 4 gallon fabric pot many say to go from the solo cup to a 1/2 gallon pot. Build the root system in the 1/2 gallon pot and up-pot into a 1 gallon pot. And from the 1 gallon, when the roots are well established going up to a 2 gallon pot. From the 2 gallon, when the roots are well established you move up to a 4 gallon.

I'm wondering if @Emilya can share her thoughts on this? The more research I am doing the more I'm running across the saying "grow the roots and not the plant" which is making more and more sense to me.

Interesting! I'd be curious to read more about this, if you have any links or suggestions. Appreciate it as always, Beez. Hope all is well with you.

 

[Old Salt]

I found this a while ago. Although it deals with trees, the same concepts hold true for cannabis.

 

[The Bard]

I found this a while ago. Although it deals with trees, the same concepts hold true for cannabis.

Really interesting video, Mr. Salt. The key take-away that I got was that when the main root hits the bottom of the pot, it sends out lots of horizontal new roots. Transferring back to the solo cup up-potting example...

Moving from a solo cup to a modestly large container should make the main tap root "hit bottom" faster, and trigger more side/horizontal roots. If the plant is moved from a solo cup to a much larger container, less of that side-branching occurs, and few roots result. Gradually increasing the pot size = larger root mass overall. Do I have the rough gist of the repeated upsizing of pots correct?

As I said, very interesting and informative. I will have to give this some more thought for my next grow.

Please add on or correct me if I took away the wrong conclusion.

Thanks!

 

[zeroday]

Here is where my dogs are at. I dropped 5, all of them germinated. Now just waiting for them to pop through the soil. So far, 3 of the 5 have popped up. They were taking an awefully long time. I noted that the humidiy in the tent was around 40% RH. This is because the room the tents are in is kept at 50% RH, because the last grow's plants are drying. This translates to 10% less in the tents due to the heat from the lights burning it off. I popped my humidifier into the tent yesterday, sure as shit, they all started breaking soil today. Just illustrating how important Humidity is when starting out.

Anyway, I hope everyone else's dogs are coming along. I've seen a few, and they look great! Having fun with this so far!

 

[The Bard]

Here is where my dogs are at. I dropped 5, all of them germinated. Now just waiting for them to pop through the soil. So far, 3 of the 5 have popped up. They were taking an awefully long time. I noted that the humidiy in the tent was around 40% RH. This is because the room the tents are in is kept at 50% RH, because the last grow's plants are drying. This translates to 10% less in the tents due to the heat from the lights burning it off. I popped my humidifier into the tent yesterday, sure as shit, they all started breaking soil today. Just illustrating how important Humidity is when starting out.

Anyway, I hope everyone else's dogs are coming along. I've seen a few, and they look great! Having fun with this so far!

Lift-off!

Yes, I became a pretty strong believer in the VPD (temp/humidity optimization) with my auto grow that went badly. What is your RH now with the humidifier running? Hope that the last couple pop for you soon!

 

[zeroday]

What is your RH now with the humidifier running? Hope that the last couple pop for you soon!

Just took this. The low temps and low humidity are from yesterday. Keeping it at 75-78F and ~65% RH. I'll let it go up as high as it wants though. After all, when I do these in smaller pots, I put them in a humidity dome where its 100% just about all the time.

Note, I also turned down the two Quantum Boards. They run at roughly 485 watts at full power. I dimmed them down to about 195 watts each. I did this because the top of the soil was drying out way to quickly. Also, if I put lights on at 100%, it creates too much heat so that the exhaust has to constantly run. This of course sucks all the humidity out of the tent, the one phase of life I actually want humidity in there. Dialing back the lights keeps the temp down enough that it doesn't need the exhaust constantly.

This is usually not a problem. I typically control the temp/humidy of the room, which in turn controls the temp/humidity in the tents. Hard to do given I am mixing final harvest for my Dos-Si-Dos grow, drying plants already cut down, and vegging new plants coming up. As most of you know, the balance is critical when at different stages across different grows. It can be a challenge!

Anway, long answer to a short question. Appologies for that.