Who Let The Dogs Out? Chem Comparison Grow!

You know, speaking to the wet/dry cycle getting shorter.. One of my Cookies n chem is in its final pot, and it’s wet/dry cycle is right around 3 days... am I gonna run into trouble in flower? Should I not wait as long as I was planning (4 more weeks) to flip?
3 days is about right for a final container at the end of veg.... and by the end of stretch you should be able to see that shorten even more, and that just means that during flower you will be able to give her that much more water and nutes. Flower is the time to use those roots you so carefully groomed during veg, to see just how much water you can get her to take. If you go another month in that container that is right now the final, and you find that while still in veg you have again gotten down to a 1 day cycle, you probably didn't go up to a large enough container for the size plant you are trying to develop.
 
I suspect you have just shown me the problem. How often are you watering with 1oz? What made you decide on 1oz? Do you know your wet/dry cycle time? The fact that all 4 are showing signs of trouble tells me that the problem is in your method, not the genetics and I really dont think this has anything to do with the soil.

I water when it's all dried out. I always have started with an oz with no trouble. I started 3 Blueberry yesterday, water an oz we'll see what happens. I will cut back on the amount that I water. Emilya, I'm not to sure on this water and dry out stuff. What, I do is water let dry out then water again. Please, tell me if that is wrong? :)
 
how are you checking that it is all dried out? How often are you watering? I am not telling you to cut back on the amount of water you give, and am certain that 1 oz is not enough if you were doing this correctly. I am saying that you water too often. With a huge water table sitting in the bottom, 1oz might just give you runoff and make you think that is all she can take, but if you actually let this dry out all the way a typical soil can hold 3/4 its volume in water... like a sponge.
 
less often... but more water when you do. Let the container dry out all the way to the bottom... zero water weight, before you water again. When you do water, water slowly to runoff... saturate the soil... Use a lot more than 1 oz.

When you water too often, the water you give drops down to the bottom due to gravity. If the plant has not used all the water, when you come in again and water because you think the top is dry, that water again drops to the pool of stagnant water in the bottom, adding to the water table. If you do this consistently, even using only 1 oz, you will end up with the lower roots sitting under water all the time. Submerged roots can not get oxygen, and eventually they shut down so as to protect themselves from the flood.
This is what your leaves look like. The lower roots are in trouble and the plant no longer can get the nutrition it needs, so it is starting to cannibalize the leaves.
Let your containers dry out, so dry that you will think you are killing them. If your human senses can feel water weight when you lift it up, it is not yet time to water. Establish this wet/dry cycle, and watch as the roots finally wake up and start growing again, and how the cycle time between waterings will go steadily down as the roots get stronger. Right now you are probably at a 3 day wet/dry cycle or even more, depending on how shut down the plant happens to be at this point. As you repair this damage, that time will finally go down to 1 day between waterings, and at that point it will be time to up-pot. Figure this problem out now, so that you can start getting some rapid growth on these plants.
Please read my watering guide... it will help to explain this concept of the wet/dry cycle and when to uppot.

Thank you Emilya. That helps out a lot. That explains why all these years, I have had trouble with a good root system.
 
Therefore, I wonder if a light rub with olive oil or rubbing alcohol might "break the seal."

I recently harvested a bunch of Gorilla Glue #4 seeds and was having a very difficult time dropping the seed into my seed catching cup. Partially because of the resin on my fingers, but also because of the resin on the seeds themselves. When popping them out of their calyxes they had a sheen to them and were sticky.

What I'm wondering is if a small piece of paper towel were moistened with rubbing alcohol, and rubbed along the seam of the seed, whether it would permeate the shell and kill the embryo inside. My guess would be no since the paper towel is just moistened with the alcohol and the seed isn't being soaked in the alcohol.

Not sure also how you would be able to tell if it worked or if the seed just emerged on it's own despite what was done to it.
 
how are you checking that it is all dried out? How often are you watering? I am not telling you to cut back on the amount of water you give, and am certain that 1 oz is not enough if you were doing this correctly. I am saying that you water too often. With a huge water table sitting in the bottom, 1oz might just give you runoff and make you think that is all she can take, but if you actually let this dry out all the way a typical soil can hold 3/4 its volume in water... like a sponge.

I check out for driness when I pick up the solo cup. and when It gets in a bigger pot I use a wet/dry meter.
 
3 days is about right for a final container at the end of veg.... and by the end of stretch you should be able to see that shorten even more, and that just means that during flower you will be able to give her that much more water and nutes. Flower is the time to use those roots you so carefully groomed during veg, to see just how much water you can get her to take. If you go another month in that container that is right now the final, and you find that while still in veg you have again gotten down to a 1 day cycle, you probably didn't go up to a large enough container for the size plant you are trying to develop.
Well shoot, with that in mind I’ll probably have to flip in a week or so. I don’t want to run into any trouble with my best gal

Oh yeah, here’s a lil pic for you folks. I did a little supercropping on girl 2 in hopes that she’ll really fill out her corner
 
I recently harvested a bunch of Gorilla Glue #4 seeds and was having a very difficult time dropping the seed into my seed catching cup. Partially because of the resin on my fingers, but also because of the resin on the seeds themselves. When popping them out of their calyxes they had a sheen to them and were sticky.

What I'm wondering is if a small piece of paper towel were moistened with rubbing alcohol, and rubbed along the seam of the seed, whether it would permeate the shell and kill the embryo inside. My guess would be no since the paper towel is just moistened with the alcohol and the seed isn't being soaked in the alcohol.

Not sure also how you would be able to tell if it worked or if the seed just emerged on it's own despite what was done to it.

Interesting. Yes, the alcohol leaking into the seed would be a risk, so it would need to be more like a "moist wipe" or whatever those little towels are called. I have some lens cleaners that are small paper towels moistened with alcohol. Those might be handy for buffing the seed. They aren't dripping wet, so leakage would be unlikely. Or a paper towel with a drop of olive oil might be less risky. All just ideas I was throwing out for those stubborn cases. Fortunately, I haven't had to try any of them (yet).
 
I check out for driness when I pick up the solo cup. and when It gets in a bigger pot I use a wet/dry meter.
if you are properly using the lift method I don't see how you could be watering too often and have this problem then. I suspect that like many, you are still afraid to let it get as dry as what I am describing. The cup can't just feel light... you must not be able to discern ANY water weight at all. Try using a postal scale... measure a cup of dry soil, and then use that to compare to your live plant.
 
if you are properly using the lift method I don't see how you could be watering too often and have this problem then. I suspect that like many, you are still afraid to let it get as dry as what I am describing. The cup can't just feel light... you must not be able to discern ANY water weight at all. Try using a postal scale... measure a cup of dry soil, and then use that to compare to your live plant.
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She’s really serious on the dry part of the wet/dry cycle. I let my bigger plants get so droopy they would probably start wilting before long. They like a little drought stress.
 
Some strains are very finicky and I have found that some of the dogs are indeed that way. Although I have started many a seed in FFOF and saw them take off in that rich soil, I have also seen a few seedlings shrivel up and die, almost catching on fire as they went to the great beyond... but here is my point:
That nonsense usually happens at the early seedling stage, even before the plant has established itself in the container. This here is a plant working hard on getting its first leaves out, and it has long since established a root down to the bottom of that container... I think if it was going to react to a soil too rich for its liking, that would have happened before now.

This plant looks to me like its tiny tender lower root is in trouble. I have to ask if there are drainage holes in the container, and whether this plant has been kept too wet. I also have to ask if anything has been added besides water. Lastly, is it just this one doing this or are any of the others even approaching a problem like this?
Solar panel! Joke.

It is the back side of one of those yellow sticky bug-catcher things. So far I haven't had any gnats or mites, and just a preventative to keep it that way, fingers-crossed.

How are you doing today, Beez?


My grow room is a converted 4 X 2 ft closet but the double swing out doors makes for extra room. It's established with Bubbleponic buckets and dual 1000 watt led
 
As much as I love to maintain the "outlaw image", and basically say "fuck it" to all the rules of growing....

Watering is one place @Emilya is dead-ass right! If them plants never gotta search for water... they won't!

If you want big plants up top; gotta nurture the undercarriage too!
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OTay Panky! My 2 Chemdawg seeds just cracked and stuffed into their 2 inch rockwool cribbs insid my homemade humidity dome. Seedlings can grow until needed to go to the bubble pond in their permanent 4x4 rockwool.

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My grow room is a converted 4 X 2 ft closet but the double swing out doors makes for extra room. It's established with Bubbleponic buckets and dual 1000 watt led

I forgot to mention that the full double doors is unable to block unwanted pests so i have to really stay on top of that fact and other than these gnats for the past week, I've been pest free "knock on formica"...

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Hey everyone, just thought this was kind of cool. This is the Chem 91 S1. Only three days above ground. Top is looking good so far, first set of true leaves in place. Maybe 1-1.5" tall.

What I thought was cool was the tap root has made it to the bottom of the solo cup already, and out the hole. (FYI, the clear solo cup is for root viewing. It gets placed in a red solo cup to block out light).

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