Who Let The Dogs Out? Chem Comparison Grow!

Welcome @Scottsquatch !!

@SQl2kGuy i imagine they’re 100 instead of 50 cause that’s the only price I’ve ever seen for them for fem.. but I’m gonna buy regular seed of C99. They run about 120-150 for a 10 pack. I like for all of my seed to be breeding capable. Breeding is definitely something I’ll be getting into once I’m in a house where I can expand my garden. Gonna do a lot of F2 outlier hunting.
 
Hey @Pennywise , I’m switching to foliage-pro/protekt by dynagro-gro and I’m wondering, how necessary is the bloom? does it really help to pack on the weight in flower?
 
Hey @Pennywise , I’m switching to foliage-pro/protekt by dynagro-gro and I’m wondering, how necessary is the bloom? does it really help to pack on the weight in flower?
I saw a difference but it’s not necessary the difference would be very slight
 
I believe that some folks shake the seed in a can or small box lined with sand paper to scuff it up a bit - allows moisture in easier. "Scarifying" or something similar. I've also heard about nicking off a very small bit of the tip with nail clippers. I haven't personally ever done either though. Damp paper towel has worked pretty well for me. Hope your "hammered seed" does well. :)

Thanks for the tips ... and if it lives, I'll definitely need to give it a cool name!
 
Roots were growing like crazy on the Chem 91 X Aliendog Cherry and with it being a little cool this morning I figured it was a perfect day to get her up-potted. Her color was/is just a bit lighter then I care for so it was a good time to get her into a bigger pot. I will remember to snap a couple photos of her on Sunday to see hopefully that her color is improved. So here we go, my steps for up-potting. Maybe some small part of what I do will prove helpful to someone.

So here is the Chem 91 plant ready for a new home. This plant typically has leaves that are a bit darker then these. My homemade soil has enough nitrogen in it (note ever so slightly burned leaf tips) so I'm thinking more room will help.



Here is the new pot she will be moving into. I go in steps in pot size. She will be up-potted 3 more times before she's flowered. In the photo you can see a container of Mycorrhizae, if you don't use it consider picking some up. Fantastic stuff for root development. The stuff in the photo works great but is WAY overpriced. I have new stuff that works just as well for a LOT LESS money. I'm just trying to use up this contrainer.

To make up-potting a breeze I create the perfect sized hole in the new pot using a cup the same size the plant is in already. I put soil under the cup and then fill the new pot with soil all around the cup. Pack it lightly, but hard enough so the soil stays together and doesn't fall into the hole when you remove the cup.



Then sprinkle the Mycorrhizae in the bottom and on the sides of the hole so it comes in direct contact with the roots.


Here is where you want to be really gentle. As carefully as you can remove the plant from it's existing pot. Wiggle and push up from the bottom if you can. Do as little damage to the roots as is humanly possible. I actually had a bit of a tough time getting this girl out of her cup as her roots had grown out of the holes at the bottom of the solo cup. Finally I got her out and was happy to see healthy white roots.

Next step is to gently place her into her new pot, backfill and lightly press the soil against her root mass. A happy plant in her new pot filled with fresh homemade organic soil.


The soil in the solo cup was plenty moist, so when I water her I will water around the inside of the rim of the new pot but not in the center. The idea is to draw the roots outward in search of water and always increase the size of the root mass. Here she is with her sisters in my homemade seedling/clone/small plant box. She will stay under these CFL bulbs until I see she is starting to grow and starts putting out new shoots. At that point she will be moved into my small veg tent under one of my @VIPARSPECTRA LED grow lights.


 
The breeder is none other than one of our new sponsors.... Dr Seeds! I am a bit embarrassed to say that I saw the 3 for 2 coupon code and had to scoop up a few more strains I still wanted. Now, other than a few landrace hybrids from Ace, I pretty much have all the strains I wanted. Waaaaaay to many! LOL I'm kind of a seed addict.

I read about this phenomenon on the Dr. Seeds thread ... and my heart goes out to you and your families :)

The first step is admitting it ... and the only cure to seed addiction that I'm aware of is to plant those puppies ... lol

There was some initial concern expressed by @Homer Simpson regarding seed quality which is why I held back on buying some right away. And after a bad experience ... discretion is a good thing for sure ... Thanks again @Homer Simpson for the reality check!

But now I know that @MrSauga, @EastCoastGhost, @The Bard, @Jdeck, @HighTechRasta, @Elvin and many others have had good results with their grows ... so I am definitely going to get some!!!

Rebecca at @DrSeeds I hear is awesome!

I love the packaging!

When I was at Dr. Seeds I picked out three strains with high THC and high yield ...

Which ones did you pick?
 
@SQl2kGuy reminded me last night that my current grow is also a dog... My Berry D'licious is a cross of Sour Diesel, which has ChemDog 91 as one of its parents. I am about a month in right now, and I invite you to look in at my current journal to compare the structure of your dogs and mine. :peace::love:
 
I believe that some folks shake the seed in a can or small box lined with sand paper to scuff it up a bit - allows moisture in easier. "Scarifying" or something similar.

The nicking with nail clippers is a new one on me and I'm thinking one I would maybe shy away from unless as a last resort. When seeds are growing on a plant it's not uncommon for their calyxes to split open exposing the seeds. Seeds often get some resin on them from the plant which as they dry hardens. If there is enough it can prevent moisture from reaching the core of the seed. Scarifying is highly recommended for all seeds as it increases your germination success rate. I use a plastic cigar tube with a little white playground sand in it. I would have lined it with sandpaper too if I had any. Couldn't hurt to have both.

Also, since I started germinating my seeds in a hempy (perlite) solo cup my germination success rate is phenomenal.
 
Welcome @Scottsquatch !!

@SQl2kGuy i imagine they’re 100 instead of 50 cause that’s the only price I’ve ever seen for them for fem.. but I’m gonna buy regular seed of C99. They run about 120-150 for a 10 pack. I like for all of my seed to be breeding capable. Breeding is definitely something I’ll be getting into once I’m in a house where I can expand my garden. Gonna do a lot of F2 outlier hunting.

C99 is definitely on my grow list! I just want to know why it is expensive ... will I do backflips again after smoking it ... lol

I gotta admit @ChefDGreen ... your avatar rocks! ... is that custom? I know some people draw or air brush their own logos.

Man ... you guys and your knowledge ... lol ... now I have to go learn what the heck "F2 outlier hunting" means :)

I think @Old Salt is doing some breeding with Thiosulfate which is interesting ... check out his grow ... it;s a good read.

I want to try breeding in a year or so ...
 
Roots were growing like crazy on the Chem 91 X Aliendog Cherry and with it being a little cool this morning I figured it was a perfect day to get her up-potted. Her color was/is just a bit lighter then I care for so it was a good time to get her into a bigger pot. I will remember to snap a couple photos of her on Sunday to see hopefully that her color is improved. So here we go, my steps for up-potting. Maybe some small part of what I do will prove helpful to someone.

So here is the Chem 91 plant ready for a new home. This plant typically has leaves that are a bit darker then these. My homemade soil has enough nitrogen in it (note ever so slightly burned leaf tips) so I'm thinking more room will help.



Here is the new pot she will be moving into. I go in steps in pot size. She will be up-potted 3 more times before she's flowered. In the photo you can see a container of Mycorrhizae, if you don't use it consider picking some up. Fantastic stuff for root development. The stuff in the photo works great but is WAY overpriced. I have new stuff that works just as well for a LOT LESS money. I'm just trying to use up this contrainer.

To make up-potting a breeze I create the perfect sized hole in the new pot using a cup the same size the plant is in already. I put soil under the cup and then fill the new pot with soil all around the cup. Pack it lightly, but hard enough so the soil stays together and doesn't fall into the hole when you remove the cup.



Then sprinkle the Mycorrhizae in the bottom and on the sides of the hole so it comes in direct contact with the roots.


Here is where you want to be really gentle. As carefully as you can remove the plant from it's existing pot. Wiggle and push up from the bottom if you can. Do as little damage to the roots as is humanly possible. I actually had a bit of a tough time getting this girl out of her cup as her roots had grown out of the holes at the bottom of the solo cup. Finally I got her out and was happy to see healthy white roots.

Next step is to gently place her into her new pot, backfill and lightly press the soil against her root mass. A happy plant in her new pot filled with fresh homemade organic soil.


The soil in the solo cup was plenty moist, so when I water her I will water around the inside of the rim of the new pot but not in the center. The idea is to draw the roots outward in search of water and always increase the size of the root mass. Here she is with her sisters in my homemade seedling/clone/small plant box. She will stay under these CFL bulbs until I see she is starting to grow and starts putting out new shoots. At that point she will be moved into my small veg tent under one of my @VIPARSPECTRA LED grow lights.



Perfect!

What a great write up ... and those healthy roots look like they were not root bound ... so they should grab hold and rocket quickly!!!

Great job @beez0404!!!
 
The nicking with nail clippers is a new one on me and I'm thinking one I would maybe shy away from unless as a last resort. When seeds are growing on a plant it's not uncommon for their calyxes to split open exposing the seeds. Seeds often get some resin on them from the plant which as they dry hardens. If there is enough it can prevent moisture from reaching the core of the seed. Scarifying is highly recommended for all seeds as it increases your germination success rate. I use a plastic cigar tube with a little white playground sand in it. I would have lined it with sandpaper too if I had any. Couldn't hurt to have both.

Also, since I started germinating my seeds in a hempy (perlite) solo cup my germination success rate is phenomenal.

Thanks @beez0404 ... I will remember this and add it to my skill set ... since I am still struggling a bit with germination ...

When seeds are growing on a plant it's not uncommon for their calyxes to split open exposing the seeds. Seeds often get some resin on them from the plant which as they dry hardens. If there is enough it can prevent moisture from reaching the core of the seed.

Scarifying is highly recommended for all seeds as it increases your germination success rate. I use a plastic cigar tube with a little white playground sand in it. I would have lined it with sandpaper too if I had any.
 
Roots were growing like crazy on the Chem 91 X Aliendog Cherry and with it being a little cool this morning I figured it was a perfect day to get her up-potted. Her color was/is just a bit lighter then I care for so it was a good time to get her into a bigger pot. I will remember to snap a couple photos of her on Sunday to see hopefully that her color is improved. So here we go, my steps for up-potting. Maybe some small part of what I do will prove helpful to someone.

So here is the Chem 91 plant ready for a new home. This plant typically has leaves that are a bit darker then these. My homemade soil has enough nitrogen in it (note ever so slightly burned leaf tips) so I'm thinking more room will help.



Here is the new pot she will be moving into. I go in steps in pot size. She will be up-potted 3 more times before she's flowered. In the photo you can see a container of Mycorrhizae, if you don't use it consider picking some up. Fantastic stuff for root development. The stuff in the photo works great but is WAY overpriced. I have new stuff that works just as well for a LOT LESS money. I'm just trying to use up this contrainer.

To make up-potting a breeze I create the perfect sized hole in the new pot using a cup the same size the plant is in already. I put soil under the cup and then fill the new pot with soil all around the cup. Pack it lightly, but hard enough so the soil stays together and doesn't fall into the hole when you remove the cup.



Then sprinkle the Mycorrhizae in the bottom and on the sides of the hole so it comes in direct contact with the roots.


Here is where you want to be really gentle. As carefully as you can remove the plant from it's existing pot. Wiggle and push up from the bottom if you can. Do as little damage to the roots as is humanly possible. I actually had a bit of a tough time getting this girl out of her cup as her roots had grown out of the holes at the bottom of the solo cup. Finally I got her out and was happy to see healthy white roots.

Next step is to gently place her into her new pot, backfill and lightly press the soil against her root mass. A happy plant in her new pot filled with fresh homemade organic soil.


The soil in the solo cup was plenty moist, so when I water her I will water around the inside of the rim of the new pot but not in the center. The idea is to draw the roots outward in search of water and always increase the size of the root mass. Here she is with her sisters in my homemade seedling/clone/small plant box. She will stay under these CFL bulbs until I see she is starting to grow and starts putting out new shoots. At that point she will be moved into my small veg tent under one of my @VIPARSPECTRA LED grow lights.


She’s going into 3 more pots @beez0404 ?? What size is the final container? She’s gonna be huge!!
C99 is definitely on my grow list! I just want to know why it is expensive ... will I do backflips again after smoking it ... lol

I gotta admit @ChefDGreen ... your avatar rocks! ... is that custom? I know some people draw or air brush their own logos.

Man ... you guys and your knowledge ... lol ... now I have to go learn what the heck "F2 outlier hunting" means :)

I think @Old Salt is doing some breeding with Thiosulfate which is interesting ... check out his grow ... it;s a good read.

I want to try breeding in a year or so ...
I’m gonna go ahead and guess that C99 is so expensive strictly for the reputation it has, and the reputation that Brothers Grimm has in general.

When I said F2 outlier hunting I just meant growing a large population of F2 seed and looking for a cultivar that has special smoke.. whether it be an interesting terp profile that expresses well in my environment, or just straight potent stuff that knocks you on your ass.

Then I’ll have a plant that is distinct to me. No one else will have what I’m growing.
 
She’s going into 3 more pots @beez0404 ?? What size is the final container? She’s gonna be huge!!

Just a 5 gallon pot in the end. But that pot will be filled with roots top to bottom, side to side.
 
Some strains are very finicky and I have found that some of the dogs are indeed that way. Although I have started many a seed in FFOF and saw them take off in that rich soil, I have also seen a few seedlings shrivel up and die, almost catching on fire as they went to the great beyond... but here is my point:
That nonsense usually happens at the early seedling stage, even before the plant has established itself in the container. This here is a plant working hard on getting its first leaves out, and it has long since established a root down to the bottom of that container... I think if it was going to react to a soil too rich for its liking, that would have happened before now.

This plant looks to me like its tiny tender lower root is in trouble. I have to ask if there are drainage holes in the container, and whether this plant has been kept too wet. I also have to ask if anything has been added besides water. Lastly, is it just this one doing this or are any of the others even approaching a problem like this?

Hello Emilya. Yes, my solo cups have good drainage. Today is the 4th day popping out of soil. I only water 1oz. for each baby pH to 6.3. Emilya there is one Chem and three others, I'm calling Nug's 1, 2, and 3, all four are showing these signs of trouble. I check them this morning and they look the same, no worst. I am hoping they will make it. Thank you for your help, your words with others are helpful. I have never saw this problem before. Time will tell. I will order some Happy Frog in the future to avoid this from happening again. My babies don't look any different this morning, so that gives me hope. :thanks:
 
Hello Emilya. Yes, my solo cups have good drainage. Today is the 4th day popping out of soil. I only water 1oz. for each baby pH to 6.3. Emilya there is one Chem and three others, I'm calling Nug's 1, 2, and 3, all four are showing these signs of trouble. I check them this morning and they look the same, no worst. I am hoping they will make it. Thank you for your help, your words with others are helpful. I have never saw this problem before. Time will tell. I will order some Happy Frog in the future to avoid this from happening again. My babies don't look any different this morning, so that gives me hope. :thanks:
I suspect you have just shown me the problem. How often are you watering with 1oz? What made you decide on 1oz? Do you know your wet/dry cycle time? The fact that all 4 are showing signs of trouble tells me that the problem is in your method, not the genetics and I really dont think this has anything to do with the soil.
 
So I'm thinking she is saying that in her opinion you might need to water less?
 
So I'm thinking she is saying that in her opinion you might need to water less?
less often... but more water when you do. Let the container dry out all the way to the bottom... zero water weight, before you water again. When you do water, water slowly to runoff... saturate the soil... Use a lot more than 1 oz.

When you water too often, the water you give drops down to the bottom due to gravity. If the plant has not used all the water, when you come in again and water because you think the top is dry, that water again drops to the pool of stagnant water in the bottom, adding to the water table. If you do this consistently, even using only 1 oz, you will end up with the lower roots sitting under water all the time. Submerged roots can not get oxygen, and eventually they shut down so as to protect themselves from the flood.
This is what your leaves look like. The lower roots are in trouble and the plant no longer can get the nutrition it needs, so it is starting to cannibalize the leaves.
Let your containers dry out, so dry that you will think you are killing them. If your human senses can feel water weight when you lift it up, it is not yet time to water. Establish this wet/dry cycle, and watch as the roots finally wake up and start growing again, and how the cycle time between waterings will go steadily down as the roots get stronger. Right now you are probably at a 3 day wet/dry cycle or even more, depending on how shut down the plant happens to be at this point. As you repair this damage, that time will finally go down to 1 day between waterings, and at that point it will be time to up-pot. Figure this problem out now, so that you can start getting some rapid growth on these plants.
Please read my watering guide... it will help to explain this concept of the wet/dry cycle and when to uppot.
 
less often... but more water when you do. Let the container dry out all the way to the bottom... zero water weight, before you water again. When you do water, water slowly to runoff... saturate the soil... Use a lot more than 1 oz.

When you water too often, the water you give drops down to the bottom due to gravity. If the plant has not used all the water, when you come in again and water because you think the top is dry, that water again drops to the pool of stagnant water in the bottom, adding to the water table. If you do this consistently, even using only 1 oz, you will end up with the lower roots sitting under water all the time. Submerged roots can not get oxygen, and eventually they shut down so as to protect themselves from the flood.
This is what your leaves look like. The lower roots are in trouble and the plant no longer can get the nutrition it needs, so it is starting to cannibalize the leaves.
Let your containers dry out, so dry that you will think you are killing them. If your human senses can feel water weight when you lift it up, it is not yet time to water. Establish this wet/dry cycle, and watch as the roots finally wake up and start growing again, and how the cycle time between waterings will go steadily down as the roots get stronger. Right now you are probably at a 3 day wet/dry cycle or even more, depending on how shut down the plant happens to be at this point. As you repair this damage, that time will finally go down to 1 day between waterings, and at that point it will be time to up-pot. Figure this problem out now, so that you can start getting some rapid growth on these plants.
Please read my watering guide... it will help to explain this concept of the wet/dry cycle and when to uppot.
You know, speaking to the wet/dry cycle getting shorter.. One of my Cookies n chem is in its final pot, and it’s wet/dry cycle is right around 3 days... am I gonna run into trouble in flower? Should I not wait as long as I was planning (4 more weeks) to flip?
 
The nicking with nail clippers is a new one on me and I'm thinking one I would maybe shy away from unless as a last resort.

Agreed! I have never had to resort to the clippers - the damp paper towel method has worked well for me. Sounds like hempy is working great for you.

But if there were a really stubborn seed that had been soaked, warmed on paper towel with a heating pad, etc., I would try nicking it as a last ditch effort. Hopefully it never comes to that.

Interesting about the seed coating. Since we know that resin is not water-soluble, that makes sense. But it is alcohol and oil soluble (given different extraction techniques). Therefore, I wonder if a light rub with olive oil or rubbing alcohol might "break the seal." Just brainstorming, not something that I have tried, or would recommend unless desperate times.
 
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