Well been a while but but my babies are not camera shy

[Bill284]

You have a very beautiful spirit man and that's a truly hard thing to find thank you for being a friend man I asked that you are kept of my God @Bill284

Thank you so much my friend.
I'm glad to have met you.
I've met so many wonderful friends here.
I'm sure you will meet many more aswell.
Your new born.
Cover the dirt clump in your myc..
Put it in a solo cup with fresh dirt.
Give it a bit of water and put it under a fluorescent light t5 in a warm spot 85ish.
And watch her grow.
You must live somewhere warm.
Did you enter the light giveaway I tagged you in?

Stay safe
Bill

 

[Dank777]

@Bill284 I don't know how to enter it and I never win things like that it's okay thank you for thinking about me though most people only think of their self

 

[Dank777]

You can run temps of 80-85 deg F for LEDs. Mid-70's are too cold when using LEDs.

Is this True 80 to 85 that's hot hot I was doing 77 for Max 2 days of 78

 

[Dank777]

That's going to destroy my tricons isn't it @ppm Charlie Charlie that alot of heat ?

 

[Rexer]

Here's a guide for some ideal temps and rh.

 

[ppm Charlie]

Here's a guide for some ideal temps and rh.

I do not think these figures are for LEDs - what's the reference text. Seems like these are for HID and HPS.

That's going to destroy my tricons isn't it @ppm Charlie Charlie that alot of heat ?

I think most people run lower LED temps in flower around 80 deg F. I think you have a tradeoff here - better yields with higher leaf surface temps vs a small amount of lost "tricones" (do you mean terpenes?)

 

[ppm Charlie]

Here's a guide for some ideal temps and rh.

I do not know of any "indoor" growers running RH above 50% during flowering - that don't end up with bud rot. LED light indoor growers run 80 to 85 deg F all the time during all stages of growth slowly decreasing their RH levels from seedling, veggie to flower. According to this chart, they are limiting transport of nutrients and plant transpiration little by little.

Without the correct leaf surface temp you don't have unimpeded photosynthesis, therefore, VPD is limited by that very fact - limit photosynthesis (by incorrect leaf surface temp), limit VPD.

This chart seems to indicate a constant rate of photosynthesis for any light source. I bet this chart is for outdoor growers. "Artificial" light sources do not have the same spectrum as the natural sunshine. There is a difference in the rate of photosynthesis (governed by leaf surface temp) and VPD depending on the intensity and spectrum of the light source.

 

[ppm Charlie]

I do not think these figures are for LEDs - what's the reference text. Seems like these are for HID and HPS.

I think most people run lower LED temps in flower around 80 deg F. I think you have a tradeoff here - better yields with higher leaf surface temps vs a small amount of lost "tricones" (do you mean terpenes?)

Loss of terpenes causes the aroma of 420 to not be as distinct.

 

[Rexer]

I do not think these figures are for LEDs - what's the reference text. Seems like these are for HID and HPS.

I think most people run lower LED temps in flower around 80 deg F. I think you have a tradeoff here - better yields with higher leaf surface temps vs a small amount of lost "tricones" (do you mean terpenes?)

Those are leaf temperatures. You use a cheap laser thermometer to check, but air temperatures are relatively close.

Doesn't matter if it's from HID or LED, so far as I'm aware, and you align you target temp with the corresponding RH.

Hasn't steered me wrong...and VPD is usually considered the gold standard for environmentally being dialed in.

I do not know of any "indoor" growers running RH above 50% during flowering - that don't end up with bud rot.

I have. Would I recommend that? No, it requires tremendous airflow, but then again I wouldn't recommend someone grow at that corresponding temperature either without C02. Ideal temp is 21C to 23C for mid to late flowering. And if you happen to look....that = 35 to 45 late flowering.

LED light indoor growers run 80 to 85 deg F all the time during all stages of growth

Not if their controlling their environment 100%- which is the best part of indoor growing. Or running C02, which is a completely different topic, and not one I see helping the OP right now (unless I'm mistaken?)

slowly decreasing their RH levels from seedling, veggie to flower.

I totally agree, and the same goes with temperatures, till 21C is reached.

According to this chart, they are limiting transport of nutrients and plant transpiration little by little.

if their operating in the red. The only exception being last week or two of flower. Drop that RH as low as she'll go.

Without the correct leaf surface temp you don't have unimpeded photosynthesis, therefore, VPD is limited by that very fact - limit photosynthesis (by incorrect leaf surface temp), limit VPD.

umm... is a VPD chart.

This chart seems to indicate a constant rate of photosynthesis for any light source. I bet this chart is for outdoor growers.

Nope, I won't take that bet, but I'm willing to continue to bet my future grows on it as a guide within my operating temps till shown otherwise.

"Artificial" light sources do not have the same spectrum as the natural sunshine. There is a difference in the rate of photosynthesis (governed by leaf surface temp) and VPD depending on the intensity and spectrum of the light source.

Agreed. And just so you know, I do grow under LEDs, and so far am satisfied with my yields and results.

I've got lots to learn- but what works for one won't always work for another, each grower needs to find what works for them.

And here's the other VPD chart (which again, is taken from leaf temperature). This is the other chart passed around on the forum.
I prefer the other, as its easier to read.

These are the charts that I've seen passed around on 420 for VPD.

 

[Dank777]

Those are leaf temperatures. You use a cheap laser thermometer to check, but air temperatures are relatively close.

Doesn't matter if it's from HID or LED, so far as I'm aware, and you align you target temp with the corresponding RH.

Hasn't steered me wrong...and VPD is usually considered the gold standard for environmentally being dialed in.


I have. Would I recommend that? No, it requires tremendous airflow, but then again I wouldn't recommend someone grow at that corresponding temperature either without C02. Ideal temp is 21C to 23C for mid to late flowering. And if you happen to look....that = 35 to 45 late flowering.

Not if their controlling their environment 100%- which is the best part of indoor growing. Or running C02, which is a completely different topic, and not one I see helping the OP right now (unless I'm mistaken?)

I totally agree, and the same goes with temperatures, till 21C is reached.

if their operating in the red. The only exception being last week or two of flower. Drop that RH as low as she'll go.

umm... is a VPD chart.

Nope, I won't take that bet, but I'm willing to continue to bet my future grows on it as a guide within my operating temps till shown otherwise.

Agreed. And just so you know, I do grow under LEDs, and so far am satisfied with my yields and results.

I've got lots to learn- but what works for one won't always work for another, each grower needs to find what works for them.

And here's the other VPD chart (which again, is taken from leaf temperature). This is the other chart passed around on the forum.
I prefer the other, as its easier to read.

These are the charts that I've seen passed around on 420 for VPD.

So is it better for me to continue to stay between 77 and 78 lights on 69 lights off

 

[Rexer]

So is it better for me to continue to stay between 77 and 78 lights on 69 lights off

Well Dank777

You've now encountered the biggest issue with an online forum of growers. We each have our methods, and tend to be stubborn on what we believe works.
Myself I'd be running it around 21C (69F) as an optimal temperature. If your looking at trying to bring out colors, you can use your day temps at 25C (77f) then drop to 69F during darkness.

Best advice? Hop into the grow journals of the month- and take a look at other grows that are similar. The more knowledgeable you are- the best you will be able to decide- cause at the end of the day, it's your grow and plants my friend.

 

[Dank777]

Ty very much @Reser you very hopefully @ppmcharlie also I would like to give my gratitude to you because you're the first to give me the chart I appreciate all the information I will now use the chart

 

[Dank777]

The whole point of this garden was to make small squat plant but they won't stop growing they just keep going haven't jumped into flower though I have found hair in multiple places but not many what can I do to force it besides putting them on a 12/12 schedule

 

[Dank777]

But on a lighter note I'm so grateful that I sacrificed one to get two both are doing very well my top one has filled it's area well the baby that I found on the highway didn't die after 3 weeks I'll give an update

 

[Dank777]

So far I've been doing really good and keeping the temperatures of 73 and the relative humidity at 35 I can't believe it but I have control of it with no equipment however I had to sacrifice a lot of watts was pushing 245 now only 150

 

[Dank777]

@Bill284 Hows it going hopefully your enjoying your day

 

[Bill284]

@Bill284 Hows it going hopefully your enjoying your day

It's pretty dam cold here today. Brrr
I'm good though thanks.
How are you doing today?

Stay safe
Bill

 

[Dank777]

@Bill284 you're the only one whose name I keep on copy and paste I must say I do have a concern about my tallest girl in flower seems like her leave are dying way too soon and she's kind of a weird color 6 weeks and some kind of small in bud size

 

[Dank777]

@Bill284 I'm also well thank you for asking

 

[Bill284]

@Bill284 I'm also well thank you for asking

She is hungry my friend.
You should be feeding her your bloom nutrients at 5.8 ph every day.
Keep your coco wet at all times.
How have you been feeding her.

Stay safe
Bill