Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic - High Brix -Nirvana Ice- 49 Plant SOG

[OldMedMan]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

Hi Vapedogg223

Like you, I have two bags of SLRs and lenses sitting in the garage.

I use a Nikon L110 now...nothing fancy but it does the job w/macro too.
Spend a bit more and you can have dream system. Like we used to have. The
digital SLR's are a dream.....much better than what we had before.

 

[Propa Gator]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

Amazing crop spread, dogg. I'm so sold on ICE from first page, I want to see a dominant harvest.
Too long I didn't see this gem journal. Part I need to find is how well daily brix measurements help. Too, I want to see technique, and hardware. Organic methods may remain beyond my ken, but improvements often have cross application. I have to pick around the poopy soup parts, but careful not to miss the serious sparkling gems.

 

[Vapedogg223]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

Thanks for the pics Vape! The GLR will blow them up even more a week later. Most of your mother plants are like trees looks so ancient with the thick stem! It's fun to take a step away from flowering once awhile and look back where the clones came from.

Looking forward to see how GLR works for you. I do miss that crazy photoperiod. Glad I had the time with it knowing it works well, and is happy to see more are adopting this cycle as their own. When taking clones from these GLR mothers will you want to try diminishing cycle on them for the next flowering session?

No problem bro! I just edited that post to add a link to the picture of them from 2 weeks ago...it pretty cool being able to make comparisons like that!

I love how every bonsai mom is completely unique and those trunks definitely add to their individual character! I was very upset that I lost my oldest mother...she truly was a tree!

I would like to play with the diminishing cycle at some point...it sounds like it would work, and it would mimic nature more accurately. It's a fairly common practice, that when a strain doesn't want to finish, you shorten the photoperiod...but whether or not it would be of benefit might be strain specific.

 

[Vapedogg223]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

Hi Vapedogg223

Like you, I have two bags of SLRs and lenses sitting in the garage.

I use a Nikon L110 now...nothing fancy but it does the job w/macro too.
Spend a bit more and you can have dream system. Like we used to have. The
digital SLR's are a dream.....much better than what we had before.

Ohhh...I had Nikons too...

I can't wait to get back into it! I've got my eye on a Canon EOS 60D...and it would be a dream!

...and no darkrooms and chemicals!

 

[Casa Verde]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

Nice fat sterms on your moms !
Sorry dude think i have a crush on your mom

 

[Stoned4daze61]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

Damn brotha you got a closet full of Mothers I'd Like to Flower.

Sorry I couldn't resist it, but really those moms are gorgeous. I have 2 questions if you don't mind.

How old is your oldest mom?
How often do you root prune?

Thanks

 

[mikey420]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

bro! I'm still learning, but so far it seems you don't have to add much in the way of manures/guanos with high Brix. I know when DocBud had his super soil tested, it had something like 10 times the recommended energy...so you might want to add them cautiously, but I think you'll be very happy!

Thanks for the tip bro. Docbud told me the same thing so Ive definitely been taking it easy on guanos, but this is more so on my High Brix plants. A few of my girls im just using plain Roots Organic soil with a couple scoops of EWC and Mykos WP in it, and Ive using just organics and for those ones too. Im still having to feed about once a week. But the guanos are one of the main things I get my NPK from.

 

[donpaul.p]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

Hi mate, hope you dont mind, came across your link in another journal thought id come and see how the fim method turns out,

 

[donpaul.p]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

sorry mate, posted that in wrong journal, to many open at the top, soz, just deleted the one i wanted to post in, gota find it again, it was a link from 12 i think about a grow that had done a load of fimming and was interested to see how it went.

 

[narrowpath]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

Okay... I'm back. So I just started to talk about high brix... DocBud, one of the many great growers here at 420 Magazine, is the one who got me interested in high brix gardening. He’s been using the techniques on his current grow, and so far his plants look amazing!

I was gearing up to make the switch to organics…trying to learn everything I could about the soil food web, compost teas, etc. when DocBud started talking about high brix techniques in his last journal. I kept insisting I was going to start with organics, and look into high brix later, once I got organics down. But then, as I was reading everything I could find on the subject I came to understand that high brix gardening is just organics, taken to the next level.

Brix is just a unit of measure. One degree Brix is 1 gram of sucrose in 100 grams of solution. Traditionally brix was used in wine, sugar, fruit juice, etc. industries. At some point, it started getting used in the food industry for measuring the approximate amount of sugars in fruits and vegetables as well. Brix is measured with a refractometer. Once you know what brix your veggies are, there's charts you use to see how well you did. Here's one.

The paragraph in the chart pretty much says why we would want to grow high brix food.



I'm sure you noticed cannabis isn’t listed, but I think DocBud already came up with a number he's shooting for, I just can't remember it at the moment.

The way you get a higher brix (in soil anyway) is by almost ignoring the plant! High brix gardening is all about building a thriving microherd of benneficial bacteria and organisms that breakdown the minerals in the soil and in turn, feed the plant. Compost teas are important here to keep the soil teeming with life! I’ll also be using the teas as a foliar spray. Basically, we feed the organisms in the soil,and they feed the plant.

Standard organics uses the same principals, but where organics can fall short is if you don’t have enough minerals in the proper ratios in the soil. One of the main principals of high brix gardening is that you must remineralize the soil. Most farmland is badly depleted of trace minerals that the micro organisms break down and make available to the plant. Ever noticed how most of the vegetable in the grocery store taste like crap? I'm betting that's one of the big reasons.

Outdoors in your garden, It can get more complicated, with soil tests being necessary to know what minerals to add, in way amounts. But if you’re starting out with a quality potting soil it can be easily mineralized by adding the proper ratios of rock powders when preparing the soil.

Again, This all got started with DocBud. He’s the one that started doing the research, and got me interested...and he’s the one that’s been using the techniques and working out the kinks. So if you’re reading this bro, you deserve another for all your hard work.

There are kits you can buy that contain all the proper minerals in the proper ratios, or you can piece it together yourself, which is what I'm doing. There’s just a few simple things you need:

Limestone - NOT dolomite. You'll need Calcium Carbonate (CaCO3), at least 90% - just a note here…if you’re on the East coast there are no high calcium limestone deposits in this part of the country, so start shopping online.

Soft Rock Phosphate - Be careful...NOT any of the “super phosphate” additives…they will kill everything in your soil.

Gypsum - Just plain old garden gypsum.

Azomite - there really isn’t anything quite like Azomite. Its a natural, mined product from Utah, that contains over 70 minerals and trace elements.

The limestone, soft rock phosphate and gypsum are combined in the following ratios:

6 Parts Limestone
5 Parts SRP
3 Parts Gypsum

I use 1 cubic foot bags of soil, so to get the proper amount as recommended by DocBud, I added 2/3 cup of the 6/5/3 powders, and 1/3 cup Azomite to each bag of soil.

I also needed some organic matter for the micro organisms, so I also added 1 cup of Coast of Maine’s Eggemoggin Blend, which is a pasteurized hen manure (4-2-2 fertilizer) to each bag as well. Coast of Maine recommends 2 cups per bag, but I’d rather go light…it’s always easier to add later.

When I do need to fertilize, I’ll use Neptune’s Harvest Hydrolyzed Fish Fertilizer along with their Seaweed Fertilizer. They sell them already combined, but I use the seaweed fertilizer alone for my teas, so I buy them separate.

If you really want to learn about high brix gardening, I would encourage you to google it and start reading! I tried to give a quick overview, but in doing so you always take the risk of over simplifying...I was reading for days before I decided to give it a go, so please do your own research if you're thinking about giving it a try.

I almost forgot! All this talk about brix levels and I don't even know if high brix will equal amazingly dank buds or not! I guess finding out is all part of the fun!

Well, its about 5:30 AM here, and I do need to get some sleep, so I'll pick this up tomorrow!

Hey bro, I am just like you, heard this hi brix from Icemud, and didnt understand, but now I do, and man, its basically organics to me, just info that is not understood as well, but now I do, so I am working on puttin up or shuttin up, all I really have to do is amend my soil with the rock, and top dress, and dial it all in for my size grow, my question is this though, I found my limestone, my gypsum, got some green sand, but for life of me can find th phosphate, and I dont want to get the wrong kind, so is there a common place that would have it as my lowes and the depot dont carry it? Thanks bro, and nice work! Also I would like to chim in on the living mulch you should give a try. I get organic hardwood no dies top dress bout 2 inch thick, the stuff is amazing for micro herd, its like super housing for them, it stays damp longer which means longer herd life, I was using 20 ounce cups in perpep sog they kept drying out to fast, ph spikes, and a nightmare, moved up to gal and started hi brix, since the change with mulch just awesome!

 

[narrowpath]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

Wow dude, me likey all your moms! I always fret about my moms and end up flowering them or killin em. I think a bonsai mom journal's a great idea!

Yes nice moms, and yes a bonsai journal is good idea I have somewhat of an idea but dont know the spasifics to do it, and my veg is crowded with ladies and big pots would love to thin the space and start my other strains. I run nightshade, pakistan valley 100%landrace indica, white widow, afgan kush,snow white, planning on getting my og's to fullfill my arsenal of top potent selection!

 

[narrowpath]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

Thanks for the tip bro. Docbud told me the same thing so Ive definitely been taking it easy on guanos, but this is more so on my High Brix plants. A few of my girls im just using plain Roots Organic soil with a couple scoops of EWC and Mykos WP in it, and Ive using just organics and for those ones too. Im still having to feed about once a week. But the guanos are one of the main things I get my NPK from.

Yes guanos are very hot, and have pathogens we dont completly understand yet as most bat populations are killed off due to havesting the guanos distroying thier habitat, and killing species we dont even know of it sucks but the doc is right!

 

[Doc Bud]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

Well, I see you're kicking ass and taking names over here Vape!

Nice work, bro!

I love your tea brewer! And don't you just love that Nature's own with the Yucca?

Like you, I'll never grow without these products.

 

[narrowpath]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

Well, I see you're kicking ass and taking names over here Vape!

Nice work, bro!

I love your tea brewer! And don't you just love that Nature's own with the Yucca?

Like you, I'll never grow without these products.

Hey Doc, yes after the tons of research on just the hi brix, looking into the yucca is again nature helping nature I love this, the yucca has some other amazing properties I am reading, like helping you stop smoing cigaretts, and that in its self is worth living with. I will have to save for this N own kit money is tight, but what I like about my purchases now is that everything is being used, and is important, with the synthetics I felt more uneased afterwards, and still have some going bad on the shelf. I just love this way of growing the more I learn, its rewarding not only with results, but with quality knowledge worthy of storage space in the top shelf of the mind, its basically like tricking out a car to go faster, the first person to take factor govenors off, and throw a supercharger, or turbo on got way better results than going factory, and in my opinion I have a strong feeling this hi brix has been known by government for more than they let on, their infultration into farming, and economic power, they played a big part in having us lets just say ingorant about anything that gives freedom, and power, I have learn about the codex alimintarus guidelines by government that makes your jaw drop on how much control over food they have, and love their engineered crappy altered sterile food, ppl wander why sickness and obesesity plauges this nation, and I personally believe its all because this high brix understanding, or lack there of. At first I didnt understand and openly say how ignorant I was about an even higher lever of knowledge awaiting anyone willing to go there, just like any good, or great thing, its just like your walk on the spiritual path, its not that truth sets you free, but its that truth Makes you free, as sets you free means someone or something is keeping you back, being made free means you took control, and put forth effort and made yourself free from ignorance, we all can, and the Doc, and many others are leading the way thru this dark cave in this thing we call world, and I believe they headed towards the light! Thanks for pointing to the light guys keep up the good work!

 

[Doc Bud]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

Hey Doc, yes after the tons of research on just the hi brix, looking into the yucca is again nature helping nature I love this, the yucca has some other amazing properties I am reading, like helping you stop smoing cigaretts, and that in its self is worth living with. I will have to save for this N own kit money is tight, but what I like about my purchases now is that everything is being used, and is important, with the synthetics I felt more uneased afterwards, and still have some going bad on the shelf. I just love this way of growing the more I learn, its rewarding not only with results, but with quality knowledge worthy of storage space in the top shelf of the mind, its basically like tricking out a car to go faster, the first person to take factor govenors off, and throw a supercharger, or turbo on got way better results than going factory, and in my opinion I have a strong feeling this hi brix has been known by government for more than they let on, their infultration into farming, and economic power, they played a big part in having us lets just say ingorant about anything that gives freedom, and power, I have learn about the codex alimintarus guidelines by government that makes your jaw drop on how much control over food they have, and love their engineered crappy altered sterile food, ppl wander why sickness and obesesity plauges this nation, and I personally believe its all because this high brix understanding, or lack there of. At first I didnt understand and openly say how ignorant I was about an even higher lever of knowledge awaiting anyone willing to go there, just like any good, or great thing, its just like your walk on the spiritual path, its not that truth sets you free, but its that truth Makes you free, as sets you free means someone or something is keeping you back, being made free means you took control, and put forth effort and made yourself free from ignorance, we all can, and the Doc, and many others are leading the way thru this dark cave in this thing we call world, and I believe they headed towards the light! Thanks for pointing to the light guys keep up the good work!

Without getting too "out there" on Vape's journal.......

I could not agree with you more about your comments RE the government and our food supply.

Why is it that America always exports junk food? Why does the whole world drink Coca-Cola? Is it really that good?

Why does it seem like most people eat food out of a box these days?

If you take a population of rats----and this has been done---and limit one nutrient or the other, the rats behave differently. Sometimes they go docile and lazy, other times they start killing eachother....just depends on what nutrient you cut out of their food.

Every dictator knows that limiting the population's protein intake, either through famine or planned diet, makes the people more manageable. Prisons are very careful what they feed the inmates. Same with school lunch programs.

The quality of our produce is pure crap and getting worse. Cattle eat crap feed and forage, therefore the meat from them isn't what it should be.

For very little money, a rancher could broadcast minerals in a pasture, and grow high brix alfalfa and forage for his herd, which would be healthier in every way. Same with a farmer and his crops.

If people could eat decent food for just one year, their health would change dramatically....just like with the rats.

I don't think it's an accident that we don't try to grow the healthiest food.

 

[Vapedogg223]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

Hey everyone!

My apologies to everyone that left comments that I haven't answered yet...I've been rewiring a friend's house that he's refurbing, and I've been exhausted these past few days. I'm not doing anything tomorrow, so I'm hoping between tonight and tomorrow, I'll be able to get caught up with everything!

The girls were showing signs of flowering yesterday. I took a few pics and was playing around with color and white balance, and I think they come out the best if I use the flash on a soft setting.

Here's a few random shots.

The girls are due for another tea application tomorrow, so I'm brewing a batch as we speak. I'll take some more pics tomorrow for an update, and probably have them up on Wednesday.

 

[Vapedogg223]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

Amazing crop spread, dogg. I'm so sold on ICE from first page, I want to see a dominant harvest.
Too long I didn't see this gem journal. Part I need to find is how well daily brix measurements help. Too, I want to see technique, and hardware. Organic methods may remain beyond my ken, but improvements often have cross application.

Thanks for stopping in Propa! And for the kind words!

It would be something if Ice is as described! I'm also hoping it might be a good strain for treating pain and inflammation. I have high hopes, (pun intended ) but only time will tell!

I'm new to high Brix myself...but I don't think taking periodic Brix readings throught a grow would be beneficial. With a vegetable garden, you test sap/juice from the ripe portion of the plant you would eat. Following that practice, you would only test your buds at harvest.

Most of my research has been focused on growing, and I only briefly looked at refractometers...I'll be looking into it more when I have the time. I know someone I was following bought one already...Icemud maybe? I'm so behind in the journals, and I can't remember...but maybe he'll have more to offer on actually testing Brix.

I have to pick around the poopy soup parts, but careful not to miss the serious sparkling gems.

I'll try to keep the poo discussions to a minimum! again brother!

 

[Casa Verde]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

Smooth sailing over here ...........................

 

[Vapedogg223]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

Damn brotha you got a closet full of Mothers I'd Like to Flower.

Sorry I couldn't resist it, but really those moms are gorgeous. I have 2 questions if you don't mind.

How old is your oldest mom?
How often do you root prune?

Thanks

Thanks bro!

The three largest are from seeds I popped at the beginning of October...so almost seven months old. I guess technically they are all that old since all the smaller moms were cloned from them. The exception being the White Widows, they are clones from a seed that was started about a year and a half ago.

You're supposed to root prune once or twice a year, but I watch the plants and let them tell me it's time.

 

[MsMe]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

I'm a little late to the party but I call that "making a grand entrance".

Hope you don't mind if I join in??? Loving your style and all the great info!!!!