Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic - High Brix -Nirvana Ice- 49 Plant SOG

[Vapedogg223]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

love those mommys very lush a:nd vibrant! i'll be looking for that journal, great stuff!

I'll be waiting impatiently...



Also looking forward to your bonsai mom thread. I read the old thread and it will be nice to see it in practice.
It sure does look like it's working for you...those are some hot mammas you have!!

Looking good You got a lot growin on ....Nice job

Looking really good Vape! Those mothers are something to be really proud of

Keep it up and just waiting on your next pic update of the SOG.
Thanks for everything.

all!

I'm still trying to figure out exactly how I want to implement the mom cave journal...It may have to wait until after the new grow rooms.

I finally have everything in place, and plan to start framing in the next couple of weeks. I really want to journal as much of the construction as I can, (around my security concerns) because I couldn't find all that much out there on climate controlled rooms when I was planning mine.

It will happen...I just don't want to bite off more than I can chew right now!

 

[Stoned4daze61]

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Awesome info! for sharing that! Definitely a very cool experiment...I would just say be careful about making conclusions as to which method is "best" without completing the test...I'm medicated, but I'll see if I can't explain what I mean.

We can only observe the plant's growth above the soil, so naturally, when the seedling in a 24 hour photoperiod grows faster we assume it's better...but what if the seedling under 12/12 or GRL is growing more slowly above ground, because it's focusing it's energy on root development? What if the seedling that was started under GLR later overtakes the other plants? Or, what if it stays smaller but yields the same or more bud? Like I said...I'm medicated, so at the moment I can think of scores of things that could happen later that might change your conclusion.

I would also add, that if rapid growth was the the benchmark for what's best, then perhaps I'm wasting my time in soil...because hydroponics would clearly be "better"...but in actuality, the variables are almost limitless!
Did that make any sense? Like I said bro...awesome test, and definitely some interesting results! Unfortunately, now I just want to learn more!

I agree with you on completing the experiment before drawing conclusions. & I'm not too sure but this made me wonder doesn't the plants root growth directly correlate on how it is performing above the soil and vice versa?

I just thought that the plant would be growing large and healthy if the root system is large and healthy, because the roots uptake oxygen and nutrients?

And wouldn't the root system be large and healthy if the plant above ground is large and healthy since it absorbs light with it's fan leaves?

 

[Vapedogg223]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

I agree with you on completing the experiment before drawing conclusions. & I'm not too sure but this made me wonder doesn't the plants root growth directly correlate on how it is performing above the soil and vice versa?

I just thought that the plant would be growing large and healthy if the root system is large and healthy, because the roots uptake oxygen and nutrients?

And wouldn't the root system be large and healthy if the plant above ground is large and healthy since it absorbs light with it's fan leaves?

I don't want to go into this too much, just because it's not really about this grow. And, as I'm sure you could imagine, we could fill up an entire thread with just debate on the GLR method...and yes, I am the one that brought it up!

As far as how plant growth correlates to root growth...I'm no botanist, but I know that when I root prune a mom the growth will slow or stop until the root system is again established. I also believe this is very similar to how a seedling begins life...it first focuses on a strong root system, and only after that does it begin a stage of rapid growth. Now, I'm not fully informed on the topic...and I think there is still some debate, but I have read on several occasions that the plant focuses it's energy on developing roots when it's not photosynthesizing. It doesn't seem like too much of a stretch to imagine a seedling given less light (but still an adequate amount) would focus on developing roots...which could give it an advantage later on.
Just one of the random thoughts in my head.

Again, I'm certainly no botanist...and I don't want my medicated ramblings about what could be, or might happen, to take away from my original intent, which was not to disagree with anything that was said...in fact, +reps to donpaul for doing the research...but only to offer words of caution when making determinations.

I also didn't switch to the GLR to try to boost the growth rate of my moms, even though many people report faster growth when they've switched. What attracted me to GLR is that it's a more natural lighting schedule. I don't think most people would argue that a plant given more light will grow faster, but if you can cut the light back while still inhibiting the flowering hormones, the hope is that you can have a happier, less stressed plant in the end, which may have benefits in the final product.

 

[James 1st]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

Look at Vapedogg doing his thing!

 

[James 1st]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

I went back to page 1 & watched the air-pot video. I seen these at Hydrofarm but didn't pay them any attention but I will be picking some up after watching that vid.

 

[Vapedogg223]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

Look at Vapedogg doing his thing!

I went back to page 1 & watched the air-pot video. I seen these at Hydrofarm but didn't pay them any attention but I will be picking some up after watching that vid.

for stopping in bro! The Air-Pots have treated me well since I started using them! I think you'll like them!

 

[Vapedogg223]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

Hello everyone...it's time for another update!

Okay, so my original plan was tea weekly, and a monthly application of hydrolyzed fish. I've decided to change that a bit, in part due to some recommendations DocBud gave on a recent update to his journal. I won't go into detail about what he said since you can read it yourselves if you would like, but to sum it up, the soil energy recommendations made with the soil tests are all for outdoor gardens, and apparently need to be upped a bit for growing in containers. This isn't a big problem, it just means I have to stay on top of feeding the soil...It also means I could have safely added more manure when I prepared the soil.

They had a feeding with Neptune's Harvest Fish & Seaweed Fertilizer on April 20th. I think I had said earlier, that I have been using their fish hydrolysate and seaweed fertilizer separately for some time, but you are supposed to apply them separately with alternating feedings...so for simple ease of use, I bought a gallon of the fish/seaweed blend.

The recommended application rate on the bottle is 1 tablespoon per gallon for house plants, and 1/8 cup per gallon for outdoor plants. I went with 1 Tbs per gallon for this feeding...the girls were looking happy before, and they were still looking happy afterwards! I think I'll up that a bit for the next feeding, but I haven't decided how much yet.

They also had their weekly tea application last night, but I think that's going to change. Right now it's looking like they'll need a watering every 4th day...so if the schedule goes tea, water, tea, fertilizer, they'll be getting tea every 8 days and fertilizer every 16. But remember...I'm feeding the soil, not the plants!

April 25th
12/12: Day 15
Bloom: Day 9

I'll show you their height first...they're all around 20 inches right now.

A random plant I pulled out of the SOG.

One of the thinks I found interesting, that you can kind of see here, is that with the plants packed fairly tightly together in a SOG, they aren't really growing in the classic "christmas tree" shape. Instead, the lower branches have stretched so the tops can get more light...it's looking like I might end up with almost a SCROG type canopy anyway.

And speaking of the canopy.

And a few random pics...

And lastly, the whole SOG.

I'll also add that they are starting to stink! I've already taken my ventilation system off the timer, so the grow room is now constantly at negative pressure, and I can only smell them when I'm in the room.

I guess that's it for now...I hope you enjoyed!

 

[Propa Gator]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

Blows me away, how fine yours look, on organics???
Like Voodoo magic. I can only pour a recipe, no thinking.

 

[MSquared]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

Stellar update as always Vape! Do you think you will be clearing some of that underbrush on them?

Keep up the excellent work Brother!

 

[Doc Bud]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

Blows me away, how fine yours look, on organics???
Like Voodoo magic. I can only pour a recipe, no thinking.

It's not just organics....it's High Brix.

Anyone can do this! Ya just gots ta pay attention!

 

[Vapedogg223]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

Blows me away, how fine yours look, on organics???
Like Voodoo magic. I can only pour a recipe, no thinking.

Thanks bro! It's funny though...to me it's just a matter of perception! What could be easier than just giving them the raw materials they need, and letting the microorganisms do all the work?

I think the complex part is that humans had to concoct chemical fertilizers to use on the baron lifeless soil that was covered with pesticides, and systematically depleted of most of the essential trace minerals that every living thing needs to survive. Then, as a bonus, these chemical fertilizers leach into our waterways and cause algae blooms causing dead zones and red tides.

If that wasn't enough...we go back to that same land, and plant GMOs that can be doused with herbicides and somehow live...or grow their own pesticide... these are the same genetically modified foods that have shown to cause sterility, and organ failure within a few generations of mammals fed them in studies. All this because surely, we can do it better than mother nature...when the whole time, all that was needed was some rock dust, poopie soup, and some occasional rotted fish parts!

I'm just saying'...

 

[Vapedogg223]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

Stellar update as always Vape! Do you think you will be clearing some of that underbrush on them?

Keep up the excellent work Brother!

brother! I'm going to try!

That reminds me...I did forget to mention that several days back I removed all the leaves and tiny branches that were right at the soil line because they were making it difficult to water.

I'm not sure what I'm going to do yet about pruning and/or defoliating and on what kind of schedule...the larger plants I've grown were all heavily pruned, but a SOGs are new to me. I love some input from the SOGers out there...

 

[Stoned4daze61]

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That is amazing how all the lower nodes reached up for the light, I don't see that too often on a SOG.

Do you have any idea of what your expecting yield wise? Cause that sure is one major CANOPY !!

 

[Vapedogg223]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

That is amazing how all the lower nodes reached up for the light, I don't see that too often on a SOG.

Do you have any idea of what your expecting yield wise? Cause that sure is one major CANOPY !!

I had never seen that before...and thought it was worth pointing out. I'm glad I'm not the only one! It seems like a lot of lower branches that would not have been much use, are in fact going to be viable. I wonder if it's just a trait of this strain, or if it can be attributed to the high Brix methods...

I'm not even going to fathom a guess! I've never grown this strain before, I've never grown a SOG before, and I've never grown high Brix before! Geez...when I think about it that way... I'm kind of freaking myself out!



Seriously though...I would be afraid to try and take a guess...did you happen to catch Doc's update where he talked about putting a qp of his dried nugs in a 1/2 gallon mason jar with room to spare? If only I could be so lucky!

 

[Stoned4daze61]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

Nope your not the only one. Looks like you may not have to clear much undergrowth after all.

Yeah I saw that, I'm not too surprised though Doc's nugs look rock hard

 

[Casa Verde]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

Those are some healthy looking ladys and allready heavy flower formation .
nice and clean plant environment ,they would respect that very much keep it up !

 

[narrowpath]

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brother! I'm going to try!

That reminds me...I did forget to mention that several days back I removed all the leaves and tiny branches that were right at the soil line because they were making it difficult to water.

I'm not sure what I'm going to do yet about pruning and/or defoliating and on what kind of schedule...the larger plants I've grown were all heavily pruned, but a SOGs are new to me. I love some input from the SOGers out there...

Hey vape, I was on another site, and they were talkin bout taking out all fan leaves from 3rd node down, this is spose 2 add more bud, and sites, I aint sure, yet, but maybe you hear of this?

 

[Stoned4daze61]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

Hey vape, I was on another site, and they were talkin bout taking out all fan leaves from 3rd node down, this is spose 2 add more bud, and sites, I aint sure, yet, but maybe you hear of this?

Are you referring to Lollipopping?

It is a constant debate on whether Lollipopping & Defoliating is beneficial. Personally I think even though you are sacrificing some valuable fan leaves, it aids in ripening the buds from the extra light.

Lollipopping also helps get an ample amount of air circulation under and around the canopy which helps prevent mold as well as other things which is especially helpful in Scrogs and sometimes SOG's because of such a dense canopy. It is also helpful to Defoliate and/or Lollipop if you are using low wattage lights because they don't penetrate the canopy as well.

I don't think it adds more bud sites, however it increases the production of the ones already existing.

I hope you don't mind me adding to the discussion Vape

 

[Vapedogg223]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic, High Brix, Nirvana Ice, 49 Plant

Hey vape, I was on another site, and they were talkin bout taking out all fan leaves from 3rd node down, this is spose 2 add more bud, and sites, I aint sure, yet, but maybe you hear of this?

Sounds like you're talking about defoliation a la 420fied! Have you been over to any of his journals yet? Definitely a sight to see!

I try to remember when deciding what to do, that each grower's circumstances are different, and what works for one grow may not automatically work for others. That being said, everything is on the table at this point...

 

[narrowpath]

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Without getting too "out there" on Vape's journal.......

I could not agree with you more about your comments RE the government and our food supply.

Why is it that America always exports junk food? Why does the whole world drink Coca-Cola? Is it really that good?

Why does it seem like most people eat food out of a box these days?

If you take a population of rats----and this has been done---and limit one nutrient or the other, the rats behave differently. Sometimes they go docile and lazy, other times they start killing eachother....just depends on what nutrient you cut out of their food.

Every dictator knows that limiting the population's protein intake, either through famine or planned diet, makes the people more manageable. Prisons are very careful what they feed the inmates. Same with school lunch programs.

The quality of our produce is pure crap and getting worse. Cattle eat crap feed and forage, therefore the meat from them isn't what it should be.

For very little money, a rancher could broadcast minerals in a pasture, and grow high brix alfalfa and forage for his herd, which would be healthier in every way. Same with a farmer and his crops.

If people could eat decent food for just one year, their health would change dramatically....just like with the rats.

I don't think it's an accident that we don't try to grow the healthiest food.

Wow , just read this bout the rats, being tested, yeah they withheld certaint minerals from them, some would not make it out of the maze, and yes some test showed that the rats over a period of time killed, as in our box food society, all the test symtoms are well in our lives, and I dont think its by accident either, the more I find the more I see ol uncle sam has had an agenda to limit our awarness to grow healthy, on our own, but we depend on their madness, and let this High brix be a thing of just ones hobby, I think it sould be more than hobby, it should be way of life!, Sorry vape I just get real ill on facts that had made me stupid for long time, now thanks to guys like you open the doors for ppl to not just grow bomb a$$ meds, but live like we should, and grow our foods the same way!