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[bluter]

Hermaphroditism in Marijuana (Cannabis sativa L.) Inflorescences – Impact on Floral Morphology, Seed Formation, Progeny Sex Ratios, and Genetic Variation

Cannabis sativa L. (hemp, marijuana) produces male and female inflorescences on different plants (dioecious) and therefore the plants are obligatory out-crossers. In commercial production, marijuana plants are all genetically female; male plants are destroyed ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

read it and you will have your answer about Hermies

Its a Lab test done here in Canada with the affirmation that Hermaphrodite Cannabis pollen will produce an outstanding of Female seeds, with a rate as high as 95%

yes. i am aware of that study. they used commercial seed, and essentially proved that hermies make hermies. they counted hermies as female and have been criticized on that.

edit : also they worked with autos, and femmed seed. you work with regs if you want it stable.

hermies do occur in the wild, but it's something on the order of 2 - 5%. commercial growers running regs see about the same. the few commercial growers who have posted on this concur. the fellow with the legacy farm had observed that.

edit more : the one thing they did do correct was collect pollen and not use selfed seed. using hermie pollen on a stable reg female will result in a much higher proportion of female outcomes. it's the selfed seed that is the issue.

we ran a 200 plant med grow for 10 yrs. we ran regs, had a breeding program, and femmed seed with sts a couple times. during that 10 yrs we had a total of 8 plants voluntarily hermie.

 

[Sparkey224]

DUTERTE’s NIGHTMARE

When I look at phenos like this I get motivated to do the work right. Every day I come see the plants and this pheno is moving at an incredible speed, and the side branching is remarkable, this plant is gonna be huge and will need some serious training. I don’t think it’s going to be the short stocky pheno I saw last year.

Last years Duterte’s pheno

Excited to see how she turns out Dani. Pretty plant brother!

 

[Azimuth]

Your first plants will stress and hermie, passing that genetic code to the offsprings, the next generation will still suffer with the exception of the few that now have that genetic coding telling them to bulk up stems, or elongate more to reach the light, or produce higher calyx to leaf ratio to produce more seeds, what ever the plant needs to survive the new environment.

Darwinism at its best. Most people use the shorthand "only the the strongest survive" but that's not at all what Darwin said. His point was the most well adapted are the ones that survive, evolutionary speaking.

 

[Danishoes21]

yes. i am aware of that study. they used commercial seed, and essentially proved that hermies make hermies. they counted hermies as female and have been criticized on that.

edit : also they worked with autos, and femmed seed. you work with regs if you want it stable.

hermies do occur in the wild, but it's something on the order of 2 - 5%. commercial growers running regs see about the same. the few commercial growers who have posted on this concur. the fellow with the legacy farm had observed that.

edit more : the one thing they did do correct was collect pollen and not use selfed seed. using hermie pollen on a stable reg female will result in a much higher proportion of female outcomes. it's the selfed seed that is the issue.

we ran a 200 plant med grow for 10 yrs. we ran regs, had a breeding program, and femmed seed with sts a couple times. during that 10 yrs we had a total of 8 plants voluntarily hermie.

I respect that, you have grow hours in a volume grow even if it’s 200 plants constantly for 8 years. Your point is as valuable as mine bro, I also grew a med grow op we had a total of 475 phenos and never seen hermies all grown outdoors but! We cloned from phenotypes of regular seed we had since we observed multiple times in veg, we had 4 different Microsystems, we grew in greenhouse, polytunnel, straight up in the ground and pots outside permaculture organic and again never seen a hermie. When we ran those Morrocan seeds in the ground they showed all the characteristics of IBL hermies and all kinds of mutation. After seen how long it took me to get rid of my hermie traits on my personal plant I didn’t even care about the Moroccan genotype, it would have been another 5 years of work at least…

CS and any other technique to make female polen is abiotic stress so it causes a suppression in phytohormones related with sex expression. My point is hermies are a consequence of environmental stress brother, that’s all my point. And people use them wether we like it or not, they used them before us and will continue to use them after us.

I don’t say go grow some hermies they will give you amazing feminine seeds, the selfed plant has to be carefully chosen. One thing is showing hermie trait that pop in the 3-4 weeks of flower vs hermies that happens after flower hormones suppression (via CS, mechanical stress, environmental change, drought) anything can trigger a male sack on a female.

It has a value in a breeding program not a commercial grow. At least to me they have value I grow for ART not commercial purposes.

I’m sorry you got 100% hermies but it’s not fair to generalize because that is misinformation and you don’t like that (judging from your immediate reaction to my YouTube suggestion).

I’m trying to create an underground seed collective here where I am, I haven’t found a serious grower that is willing to grow my stuff or send his stuff my way to grow, I can’t do it alone, if we put our brains together we can have hermie free seeds for us to grow and enjoy. Not sale, you don’t just sale years of work for 20$ a pop, you store it and save it 30 years from now when everything is fucked up genetics you bring out your stable material to the table. It’s a waiting game just like waiting for the right pheno to arrive to you.

 

[Danishoes21]

Excited to see how she turns out Dani. Pretty plant brother!

I grew one pheno last year she was a bomb hopefully I can get her to do the full show this year.

 

[Danishoes21]

Darwinism at its best. Most people use the shorthand "only the the strongest survive" but that's not at all what Darwin said. His point was the most well adapted are the ones that survive, evolutionary speaking.

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And even Darwinism is being questioned now by hardcore biologists Richard Dawkins… and others.

There is no one absolute truth to nature, there is a range of truths that have different layers.

The whole iguanas phenomenon proof the natural adaptation of the same genome to a difference in environment.

 

[bluter]

I respect that, you have grow hours in a volume grow even if it’s 200 plants constantly for 8 years. Your point is as valuable as mine bro, I also grew a med grow op we had a total of 475 phenos and never seen hermies all grown outdoors but! We cloned from phenotypes of regular seed we had since we observed multiple times in veg, we had 4 different Microsystems, we grew in greenhouse, polytunnel, straight up in the ground and pots outside permaculture organic and again never seen a hermie. When we ran those Morrocan seeds in the ground they showed all the characteristics of IBL hermies and all kinds of mutation. After seen how long it took me to get rid of my hermie traits on my personal plant I didn’t even care about the Moroccan genotype, it would have been another 5 years of work at least…

the morrocan was probably the same situation as thai. thai has been known as a hermie plant for as long as i can remember. dna suggests it was manipulated far back in history, and the trait continued reinforcing in the wild.

CS and any other technique to make female polen is abiotic stress so it causes a suppression in phytohormones related with sex expression. My point is hermies are a consequence of environmental stress brother, that’s all my point. And people use them wether we like it or not, they used them before us and will continue to use them after us.

I don’t say go grow some hermies they will give you amazing feminine seeds, the selfed plant has to be carefully chosen. One thing is showing hermie trait that pop in the 3-4 weeks of flower vs hermies that happens after flower hormones suppression (via CS, mechanical stress, environmental change, drought) anything can trigger a male sack on a female.

it takes a lot more work to get a stable reg female to stress to that point. what i am trying to get across is starting with femmed seed in particular can strengthen the hermie trait.

using pollen from a hermie plant to self itself re-enforces the trait further. it's not hard to follow the genetics.

It has a value in a breeding program not a commercial grow. At least to me they have value I grow for ART not commercial purposes.

fair enough.

I’m sorry you got 100% hermies but it’s not fair to generalize because that is misinformation and you don’t like that (judging from your immediate reaction to my YouTube suggestion).

that was a one off. i should have known the way i'm growing now would encourage a stress. if the plant was inclined to go that way i didn't help, the combination was fatal.

I’m trying to create an underground seed collective here where I am, I haven’t found a serious grower that is willing to grow my stuff or send his stuff my way to grow,

we worked in a med collective. at one time there were a number of like-minded folk moving in the same direction. oddly enough it was legalization that fucked it all up. they allowed us to keep our personal med licenses but pulled the license for the grow itself.

I can’t do it alone, if we put our brains together we can have hermie free seeds for us to grow and enjoy. Not sale, you don’t just sale years of work for 20$ a pop, you store it and save it 30 years from now when everything is fucked up genetics you bring out your stable material to the table. It’s a waiting game just like waiting for the right pheno to arrive to you.

keep hanging on to those phenos. i suspect they will be worth it one day.

pass to you brother

 

[Sparkey224]

I grew one pheno last year she was a bomb hopefully I can get her to do the full show this year.

How long do you think she would go indoors Dani? 12 -16 weeker?

 

[Danishoes21]

I wanna give my seeds away I don’t care about recognition bro, I need help from people with greater skills than me to guide me and/or get in the program and start sharing genetics, ideas and secrets.

Cali is far ahead of us, already working on Origin denomination and terroir finesse, the outstanding collective there is working on all of them taking emerald triangle genetics to the highest standard. Canada should have that a Dénomination d’origine contrôlée DOC for our « Landrace » genetics. We can’t compete with anyone if we don’t even organize ourselves.

I don’t have a Canadian landrace my research of the Texada timewrap has lead me to nothing, growers here on Vancouver Island don’t even remember this one. It’s sad but we have already lost genetics that were grown for decades in the bush that became stable to Canadian environment. It’s lost bro and that’s sad.

 

[Danishoes21]

How long do you think she would go indoors Dani? 12 -16 weeker?

I would say 12-14 as it doesn’t seem to be a perpetual flowering pheno. And the photoperiod I would use indoors wouldn’t be 18-6 and then 12-12 that’s a recipe for undesirable hermies. I would do a diminishing light schedule from veg to flower with a difference in times of 1-2 hrs gap. Simulating a photoperiod in Luzon.

You understand what I mean?

I would start it at 13.30 hrs of light and decrease light hours by 30 mins after every month until you get to 11/13 on/off. That’s how I have done it indoors.

 

[Sparkey224]

I wanna give my seeds away I don’t care about recognition bro, I need help from people with greater skills than me to guide me and/or get in the program and start sharing genetics, ideas and secrets.

Cali is far ahead of us, already working on Origin denomination and terroir finesse, the outstanding collective there is working on all of them taking emerald triangle genetics to the highest standard. Canada should have that a Dénomination d’origine contrôlée DOC for our « Landrace » genetics. We can’t compete with anyone if we don’t even organize ourselves.

I don’t have a Canadian landrace my research of the Texada timewrap has lead me to nothing, growers here on Vancouver Island don’t even remember this one. It’s sad but we have already lost genetics that were grown for decades in the bush that became stable to Canadian environment. It’s lost bro and that’s sad.

Yeah, I know MJ from Peak seeds up there has some great genetics imo..had his Texada Timewrap x blueberry.
Think he's out of the game now

 

[Sparkey224]

I would say 12-14 as it doesn’t seem to be a perpetual flowering pheno. And the photoperiod I would use indoors wouldn’t be 18-6 and then 12-12 that’s a recipe for undesirable hermies. I would do a diminishing light schedule from veg to flower with a difference in times of 1-2 hrs gap. Simulating a photoperiod in Luzon.

You understand what I mean?

I would start it at 13.30 hrs of light and decrease light hours by 30 mins after every month until you get to 11/13 on/off. That’s how I have done it indoors.

Thanks brother, makes perfect sense.

 

[bluter]

I wanna give my seeds away I don’t care about recognition bro, I need help from people with greater skills than me to guide me and/or get in the program and start sharing genetics, ideas and secrets.

i really wish i could have met you around 2005 - 2006. that's when the local community was at it's strongest and most interesting. i got involved through my friend, he and another breeder produced a pheno targeted for adhd specifically for me. the genetics on that one are gone now.

I don’t have a Canadian landrace my research of the Texada timewrap has lead me to nothing, growers here on Vancouver Island don’t even remember this one. It’s sad but we have already lost genetics that were grown for decades in the bush that became stable to Canadian environment. It’s lost bro and that’s sad.

to the best of my knowledge there is no such thing as a canadian landrace. i'm not sure anything could self-propagate in the wild enough years here for one to evolve. i have heard of plants going wild in parts of BC.

i've heard of timewarp previous, but it was only called timewarp, don't remember the texada. i've never grown or seen it, but i kinda assumed it was still out there.

 

[bluter]

I would start it at 13.30 hrs of light and decrease light hours by 30 mins after every month until you get to 11/13 on/off. That’s how I have done it indoors.

a lot of times i run a diminishing schedule in flower as well. 12 / 12 - 11 / 13 - 10 / 14. works amazing on reluctant sativas, and you lose zero production so long as you have enough light to hit a good DLI.

 

[Danishoes21]

a lot of times i run a diminishing schedule in flower as well. 12 / 12 - 11 / 13 - 10 / 14. works amazing on reluctant sativas, and you lose zero production so long as you have enough light to hit a good DLI.

That’s the way I know to do it right. If a see a Sativa dominant cultivar being vegged at 18/6 then flip 12/12, then add to that a heavy synthetic nute feeding that’s a recipe for hermies.

That’s my humble opinion. Equatorial sativas have never seen 18 hours of light.

 

[Danishoes21]

i really wish i could have met you around 2005 - 2006. that's when the local community was at it's strongest and most interesting. i got involved through my friend, he and another breeder produced a pheno targeted for adhd specifically for me. the genetics on that one are gone now.







to the best of my knowledge there is no such thing as a canadian landrace. i'm not sure anything could self-propagate in the wild enough years here for one to evolve. i have heard of plants going wild in parts of BC.

i've heard of timewarp previous, but it was only called timewarp, don't remember the texada. i've never grown or seen it, but i kinda assumed it was still out there.

I haven’t found one yet but Texada is a gulf island with a unique microclimate. I have never been there is access boat only. The west coast guerilla grows we’re done around that location. Desolation sounds said Reservoirdog but like I said I ain’t a local yet I don’t have access to that information. I’m from the east coast Montreal. Only thing they talk about there is Jean Guy strain also Sativa dominant but that’s a gem of indoor breeding in prohibition times.

When I say landrace I refer to a plant that has successfully adapted to the geographic location with out being mixed with any other genetic code. Just the same genetics grown over and over at the same location for vast periods of time.

 

[KeithLemon]

Nice roots dani

 

[Danishoes21]

Sunday admiration.

 

[bluter]

Sunday admiration.

lady guard bug on duty.
that's the best way in flower.

That’s the way I know to do it right. If a see a Sativa dominant cultivar being vegged at 18/6 then flip 12/12, then add to that a heavy synthetic nute feeding that’s a recipe for hermies.

don't freak but .. we've vegged pure sativa 24/0 before flip to 12/12, then ran a diminishing without issue at all.
it really helped bring the long runners into better time frame. it was not landrace.

do i recommend it ... uuuhhh, maybe not so much. it was a long time ago. was a haze strain.

That’s my humble opinion. Equatorial sativas have never seen 18 hours of light.

definitely not. it's totally unnatural.

like you i also believe it could also be a reason commercial sativa is more prone to hermie. indica leaners are generally outside of the equatorial zone, and usually more stable. it's not 100% either way though, just a statistical difference.

I haven’t found one yet but Texada is a gulf island with a unique microclimate. I have never been there is access boat only. The west coast guerilla grows we’re done around that location. Desolation sounds said Reservoirdog but like I said I ain’t a local yet I don’t have access to that information. I’m from the east coast Montreal. Only thing they talk about there is Jean Guy strain also Sativa dominant but that’s a gem of indoor breeding in prohibition times.

takes some time but you eventually become a local no matter where you are.

i'm off the prairies. i lived for a decade in the mountains as a snowboard bum. i'm not sure when the transition happened, but one day i noticed i wasn't paying tourist prices for my beer.

wish i'd never left.

When I say landrace I refer to a plant that has successfully adapted to the geographic location with out being mixed with any other genetic code. Just the same genetics grown over and over at the same location for vast periods of time.

yeah, me too. it becomes genetically distinct if left long enough.

 

[Danishoes21]

lady guard bug on duty.
that's the best way in flower.






don't freak but .. we've vegged pure sativa 24/0 before flip to 12/12, then ran a diminishing without issue at all.
it really helped bring the long runners into better time frame. it was not landrace.

do i recommend it ... uuuhhh, maybe not so much. it was a long time ago. was a haze strain.





definitely not. it's totally unnatural.

like you i also believe it could also be a reason commercial sativa is more prone to hermie. indica leaners are generally outside of the equatorial zone, and usually more stable. it's not 100% either way though, just a statistical difference.







takes some time but you eventually become a local no matter where you are.

i'm off the prairies. i lived for a decade in the mountains as a snowboard bum. i'm not sure when the transition happened, but one day i noticed i wasn't paying tourist prices for my beer.

wish i'd never left.




yeah, me too. it becomes genetically distinct if left long enough.

Dude in all honesty I enjoy this kinda feed back and conversation. Thank you for that.

Please let’s keep openly discussing we have already progressed a lot in less than 24 hrs.